>>152322215
It's pretty good at reinventing itself every few years and is flexible to almost any medium.

>>152322215
I dont think I can overstate how effective the intro and theme song was to the TMNT cartoon when it was brand new. That shit got you PUMPED. Even going into it blind you knew immediately this show was gonna be fucking AWESOME. The version of the turtles we get in the intro is arguably way more bad ass than the show itself actually is but it didn't matter.

The toyline and there being so many distinct characters was a blast to collect as a kid. Every time you went to the store you'd see some different dude you didn't have and the begging mom would commence.

The first movie is also a legitimately good piece of cinema that stands up today. 2 is goofy as fuck but as a kid it was my favorite because of the mutants (although I always wished they were bebop and rocksteady and would try to do mental gynmastics to make it so they were in my mind)

>>152322318
I'm sick of this narrative, but I see why it's so popular. No.
>>152322464
Yeah that is definitely in the upper echelon of theme songs. It truly understood what you needed.
>>152322215
It understood that to make a parody fun, you have to keep the GOOD parts of the thing you're parodying. in this case: martial arts violence is just fucking cool, and mutating is cool.
it also gleefully ripped off anything it felt like. Raph and Leo's entire character dynamic is Logan and Scott, and they made no secret of that.
Both of these apply equally to Mortal Kombat, now that I think of it. and just like MK, the new ones are shit.

>>152322464
>I dont think I can overstate how effective the intro and theme song was to the TMNT cartoon when it was brand new. That shit got you PUMPED
The only show I remember being comparable when it was new like that was the original Power Rangers. I got the same feeling seeing that intro the first time, I can distinctly remember it.

>>152322504
>I'm sick of this narrative, but I see why it's so popular. No
Agreed, I actually never liked any reinvention of them and was effectively out once it happened. Maybe it helped get a new generation into them? I remember showing my nephew the original TMNT cartoon during the Nickelodeon era because he was a huge fan and he laughed at it and called it baby crap

>>152322565
your nephew is surprisingly mature, but I have to wonder what he was raised on, since the newer shit makes the 80s cartoon look like fucking Gargoyles by comparison.

>>152322577
It was during the era of OPs image, that was Nickelodeon right? That version was a little edgier than the old cartoon.

>>152322577
wait I reread it
he watched the Nick show? 2012? and he liked it?
how the fuck is that not baby shit. they gave raph a fear of cockroaches. Raph. a guy who was raised in the sewer for 15 years. Who is a turtle. A thing that eats bugs.

It's the Scooby Doo of our time

>>152322591
The art style was probably a big part of it.

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>>152322607
but the 2012 art style was fucking picassos. Hideous, awful faces. The turtles looked like painted pingpong balls walking on broken pottery, and the mutants looked like rejects from the Rabbids franchise that even THEY thought looked too stupid.

>>152322591
>how the fuck is that not baby shit.
Cause it isn’t

>>152322607
Well if he was watching like, season 7, he'd have a point.
But season 1 had an amazing art style.

>>152322654
It wasn't the 3D one it was the one from OPs pic. I thought that was Nickelodeon.

>>152322654
Filtered hard

>>152322215
>And why out of all 80s franchises it is still popular?

Is it? It feels like Zoomers aren't really into the Turtles.

Honestly the last man standing of 80s IPs might be Transformers.

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>>152322658
dude. Someone approved this. Someone thought this was a fine followup to Mutagen Man, a tragic character designed by the TMNT creators as a cool idea for a toy, a disembodied set of organs that needs a suit to survive

Someone was like "eyestalks, big kissy lips, and eyelashes" and this someone wasn't immediately fired.

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>>152322686
and I will shut up after this, but I think I've made my point with THIS monstrosity.
I've seen a gaggle of spider mutants in my day. Man-Spider, Dr. Kirby from Mighty Max, the Kumogashira in Inuyasha, but ... what the ASS is this thing? Who approved this? Who thought this was a valid thing someone would want an action figure of?

>>152322704
Looks like a monster from Zelda Wind Waker or something

>>152322724
Perfect comparison. Another baffling art style that was basically the opposite of what I wanted at the time.
(and what was really annoying is everyone was like 'oh you don't like cel shading' or 'you want everything to be fully realistic' no motherfucker i want -anime-. i want shit that looks japanese, not this. (It turns out it actually is based on a very obscure anime, but.. one that doesn't look like one, so))

>>152322677
>Honestly the last man standing of 80s IPs might be Transformers.
that star has fallen pretty significantly too. They never managed to actually make anything out of the boon of the Bay movies to stick around normie consciousness.

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>>152322591
>how the fuck is that not baby shit. they gave raph a fear of cockroaches. Raph. a guy who was raised in the sewer for 15 years. Who is a turtle. A thing that eats bugs.
To be fair, Raph being squeaked out by bugs and creepy things comes from Mirage
Though this story ends with him biting the blood out of a mutant leech who drained him dry oh his mutagen.

>>152322215
It hit multiple metrics at once
Most people just remember the 80s carton as 'wow this was great as a kid'
the actual live movie was rated roughly 12+ so hit teens and had some adult references
The comics were gritty and hit the nerd fandom

Think about it
>kid sees turtles cartoon
>parent takes them to see movie and the movie isn't utter kid slop
>nerds are still in the comics

Then it repeats
>2003 turtles was both good for kids and teens and nostalgia faggot parents who saw the 80s version
>2012 is the new version of the previous, etc

Granted, 2012 and the rise of the turtles or wahtever is utter shit but the point and concept still exists, parents push their kids since 'oh yeah I saw it as a kid and it was based'

>>152322686
Irony is the mutagen man storyline in that show was probably one of the most fucked up. They never actually fix the poor kid and he's left as a pained mass of goo in Donnie's lab for the rest of the series

>>152322654
Wrong

>>152322504
>>152322565
Maybe it helped get a new generation into them?
yes that's exactly it. Yeah YOU don't like it, but would you rather have watched TMNT or 60's Jonny Quest or 70's Super Friends as a kid? Tastes change. You need to adapt or end up a vintage IP.
You know what series always kowtows to the old fans that don't want change? GI Joe. It's fucking dead.

>>152322591
>they gave raph a fear of cockroaches. Raph. a guy who was raised in the sewer for 15 years. Who is a turtle. A thing that eats bugs.

Oh you're that retard from /toy/. Holy fuck you're a moron still.

>>152323306
>2012 and the rise of the turtles or wahtever is utter shit
Nope

>>152323201
surely never sewer insects though
Leeches is another thing entirely, they're scary for a turtle. there's lots of crevices they can't easily access, like around the edges of the shell... It's not something he grew up with, unless i'm mistaken and the new york sewer system has leeches.
>>152323336
GI Joe is lame for the same reason as Jonny Quest though. There's a reason 90s TV is enduring so hard, just like there's a reason 60s music is enduring so hard.
>>152323344
livin rent free huh
>>152323326
draw something for me, anon
>>152323351
only 'nope' in the sense that he left out the new shit, which also sucks.

>>152323389
>retarded babbling

>>152323389
>There's a reason 90s TV is enduring so hard
But 80's TMNT, while ruining until 96, really isn't a 90's show. It was clearly a bridge apart from BTAS or Gargoyles or even superhero comedies like The Tick.

>>152323538
you know exactly what i meant
between 1985 and 1996. after Gummi Bears but before Mighty Ducks. that 90s. After that, we switch to the Cartoon Cartoon era and things change.
but even so, I meant primarily starting in 1990-92. The really hardcore serious shows. Those endure.

>>152323581
But I wouldn't count TMNT as an evergreen show the way the stuff starting in 92 starts to.
I mean I enjoy it myself, and I do see some(somewhat ironic) love for it from younger fans who didn't grow up with it, but the quality just isn't the same.
But surely you can get why it wouldn't resonate with kids like BTAS would, right?

>>152323640
Yeah exactly, it was on the cusp, but while TMNT itself endures, the original cartoon.. is more being tarted out a lot as an ICON.
I think you agree with me and we just got mixed up because everything you just said is true.

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>>152322215
>What made TMNT so successful?
>And why out of all 80s franchises it is still popular?
It was bizarre for the time, and the 80s show had a strong presence with audiences that grew up with it and the 90s films further cemented the status of the IP so that by the 2000s it was household name.
Also, because there's a constituency of women who want to fuck MNTC like in picrel.

>>152323751
this is cute as FUCK.. I need to see more of this person's work.. 'turtle sketches' is not exactly easy to google though

>>152322504
>I'm sick of this narrative
I didn't ask.

>>152323850
Wasn't looking for feedback but thanks for your input.

>>152323389
You are such a loser, one that doesn't even understand the characters or understand why people are afraid of things. Shut the fuck up already you autist.

>>152323985
I feel like I may have hit on a nerve with ya. that was not intentch.

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>>152322389
>mfw some literal who was filtered by wisecracking Raph

>>152324307
i think it's more that every other version is so good
except this guy's including the new shit, so no.
hell 2007 donnie was.. fine.

>>152324040
I feel like you aren't a real TMNT fan and should just shut the hell up from now on.

>>152324451
>real TMNT fans like 2012
anon..

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>>152322587
OP's image was from the 2003 TMNT, which was noticeably darker than the '87 show. Nickelodeon's first TMNT show after the buyout premiered in 2012, which was no where near as dark as the 2003 show.

>>152322215
Lets see, animal characters who are tough looking and cool because they are fighting martial artists. That alone was a rarity because most of the time animal characters are designed to be silly and cartoony like Woody Woodpecker.

Each main character has a central universal personality for fans to gravitate towards so that nurtures a fandom. And the villains are extremely varied they can be humans, aliens, robots, demons, etc so that gives the property a lot of mileage and use.

The real shame is despite all this potential TMNT keeps getting managed by the worst most terrible and incompetent people ever. And I do include the very creators of the franchise and the first TMNT cartoon. The success of this idea is DESPITE these people not because of them. FOr recent years the brand's relevance and popularity are at an all time low sadly and I don't think it will ever get better after Seth Rogen is finished bastardizing TMNT.

>>152324707
I mean
the original creators knew their cool edgy shit would not fly on saturday morning, so they pivoted.
and they said if it's gonna be silly, let's go FULL b-movie scifi and put in CRAZY ideas.
and they sketched up like 30 characters for the toyline.. it was nuts. but Laird was definitely more talented than Eastman, and Easty's the first to admit that.

Dude the Image Comics version of TMNT was fuckin bad ass, why cant we get an animated adaptation of that? Im thinking like in the same vein as the Spawn HBO series

>>152324809
By all means GI Joe should at least have a big audience right now. Patriotism is coming back in a big way. Hasbro is just too pussy to really lean into that patriotism.

>>152324506
Nah, 2012 had plenty of edgyness. And permanent death, too. And lots of body horror.

>>152324828
Make a new figure called the ICE Man and include dead civilians accessories for him to stand on.

>>152324506
Ah ok. Yeah thats the version my nephew was into at the time that I showed him the old cartoon and he shit on it, this was many years ago. Hes grown now. But at the time he thought original TMNT was baby shit compared to 2003 TMNT.

>>152324809
I mean
80s patriotism was pretty big.
then 90s and 00s patriotism was like, both the pro- and anti- were more severe than they had been in decades.
>>152324846
ehhhh.. no.. that's not the same, anon. at all.
>>152324848
only if the dead civilians come with a car they can have previously been running people over with

>>152324867
What about the second guy who got disarmed then ventilated 10 times?

>>152324865
He was right. Good neph.
Not to say 2k3 was perfect. the 4kids stank was all over it, but they TRIED. the first 4 seasons are absolutely amazing.
god, my nephew is 21 now, I wonder if he ever had an opinion on ninja turtles.

>>152323826
Thanks, also here's the conclusion to>>152323826
"Turtle-Sketches" is the name of the tumblr blog she ran a decade ago, before it was blocked from public view and then finally deleted in 2020 or so. She also ran another, more famous, blog named "AnxiousSailorSoldier," aka "ASailorSoldier", on tumblr and twitter, along with "JustAnotherAss" on Tumblr only. She's since gone dark and her Twitter/X has been deleted for over a year.
Now, about the oc, her name is May (originally "Mabel," which was then given to her and Mikey's daughter), aka "plus-sized girlfriend," and she was a fan-made love-interest for Mikey.
>https://turtle-sketches.tumblr.com
>https://oldturtlesketchesblog.tumblr.com
https://e621.net/posts?tags=turtle-sketches
https://e621.net/posts?tags=asailorsoldier
Note the similarites in art style as well as the signatures between the two entries

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>>152323826
>>152323751
>>152325502
Forgot picrel in my haste

>>152325510
way cute. If youre gonna draw fat people, this is the right way. all softness.

>>152326198
Fascinating. the '87 turtles in '03 colors.

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>>152322389
>hating on the best version of Raphael
Gimme a break.

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Is this the first depiction of black April?

>>152327010
Either this or Tales of the TMNT vol. 1 #7

>>152322389
I get Leo and Mikey. But why Donatello and Ralph?

>>152324874
An unfortunate outcome that could've been avoided.

>>152322513
Pokémon's first English theme song comes to mind as another example, it was honestly a big part of what made the franchise so popular and was so good that most other countries actually translated that version instead of the Japanese one.

>>152327020
Going by the fact that April was still white in the previous issues of Tales of the TMNT before #7, I think the context behind her dark skin tone in that issue was due to her getting a tan. The Egypt one is weird since she was white in the black & white original.

>>152322504
>>152322565
Definitely a large part of it was appealing to the kids of the next generation over the 'adults' of the next generation who got Last Ronin and other types of media. The kids of that generation would get into the show and mature into adults who remembered and enjoyed it for what it was.

It also has a lot of 'fan content' like comics, art, fanfiction, custom toys, etc to get people into it. It was marketed for boys but also could have a decent female audience (Rise I think got most of that desu)

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>>152328559
Okay, but what about rodents... on motorcycles? From space!

On TMNT, I never felt the "teenage" part. They didn't really have an adult mutant to compare to (Splinter is a wise old man, beyond even an adult), they didn't go to school or hang out with friends, and they were astonishingly independent and autonomous. To a 10yo kid the turtles felt plenty grown-up already.

>>152323309
Kinda fucked up the way they treated mutation like the worst thing that can happen to anyone and made it a punishment for most of their villains, even having it be the Turtle's fault several times that some random asshole got turned into a horrific abomination. And then the one guy who likes the only mutants who aren't freakshow monstrosities has to be given the most hellish punishment out of any character because he thought the turtles were cool and wanted to fight the villains that were all over the city.

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>>152322215
Hundreds upon hundreds of cool toys

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>>152322686
What generation are you? Late 80s 90s kids fucking loved gross out shit like this. Toxic Avengers had it's own cartoon and toyline. Gross out shit was everywhere. It was part of TMNT. But not as extreme as other things. Mega babies was probably the worst of the worst though.

>>152324848
Too real it needs to be metaphorical. Something like a super EXTREME elite agent ICE (Infinite Cockfuckers Extreme) are killing illegal dinosaurs with ice age powers because the dinosaurs are crossing the time border.

>>152329281
I think anon means that it looks gay and lame and not cool and badass.

>>152329222
that was the case for the original show too, by turning Splinter from a mutated rat to Hamato Yoshi himself. The plot was meant to be them trying to make Splinter human again, but it often fell by the wayside.
Mutation wasn't really a big aspect of the original comic since the turtles, Splinter, and Leatherhead were the only example of it.

>>152327582
>>152324307
>>152326976
you gotta admit sarcastic Raph is a weird outlier in hindsight.

>>152322504
>I'm sick of this narrative, but I see why it's so popular. No.
literally this thread ended up proving you otherwise, with anons confused why their younger relatives like newer versions they don't like.
That's exactly anon's original point.

>>152328472
Our TMNT....

>>152327582
Other Donnies and Raphs are simply better.

>>152329385
clearly they realized the angsty and rough raph would not play on saturday morning, so they took most of michelangelo's personality and gave it to him
that's why mike was kinda lobotomized. like he still reads comics, but not in a bright, insightful way, but in a clueless airheaded little kid way.

>>152322686
Probably because they're not a dumbass like you

>>152327819
that song fucking ruled
the original singer apparently re-recorded it, possibly twice? and it sounds exactly like the original which makes me very unsure whether he actually redid it

>>152328488
am i the only one that thinks last ronin is just edgy bullshit that has no place within TMNT?
it's like someone heard we wanted it dark and serious, and didn't feel like sitting through the original movie to see what that would entail
>>152328993
biker mice fucking rules.
>grown-up already
yeah. they're fifteen. that's the point.

>>152328993
Do you think teenagers in 1985 just sat at home? They were independent and autonomous. Especially ones raised in sewers.
>>152329281
you really don't see the difference between hyperdetailed early 90s grossout designs, and goofy Rabbids-lookin stuff. Really.
>>152329342
thank you. God, it's not a tough concept.
hell, most grossout stuff didn't do a good job either, but a lot of it did.

>>152329632
I meant the narrative that TMNT is popular BECAUSE it can keep getting reinvented

that's fucking nonsense. The only 'reinventions' that matter are bringing it back to what the comics were like, except a little better this time because the comics were kinda improvised by 2 guys.

>>152322215
>>152322318
>>152323306
Someone said it best
The Turtles are malleable
They cater to the "extreme" demographic, superhero fan demographics, gross out demographic, and the shy types who just love animals demographic

>>152332631
>last ronin is just edgy bullshit
It is not that different from that bad future episode from 03 series. I mean most of time turtles future is always depressing.

>>152333107
That is the most obvious thing to compare it to, but I liked that a lot better.
I'm all for things being depressing, but give them some FLAVOR. make it a blackened steak with three kinds of sauce and a bunch of ghost peppers and rare mushrooms. Don't just make it a charcoal briquette on a plate with some hot sauce on it.

>>152322389
There was literally nothing wrong with this Leo. It was just for one interaction to mix up the dynamic of a franchise that’s been rebooted several times now. I swear people freak out over the most pointless things.

Zoomers would like the Turtles if the Turtles were frustrated Gooners worried about the future, because relatable. They find human women hot, but they're unobtainable.

>>152333246
What happened?

>>152333279
gen Z boys do not desire women

I’m a 2k3 baby but even before it I’d been exposed to the 80s cartoon as a toddler. The reason my brothers and I were hooked on it was because:

Ninjas are cool.
Brothers are cool.
Shredder was cool.
2k3 had an ongoing storyline, and they just kept upping the anti. So many episodes were two or three parters making you crave the next one. I remember when master splinter was missing for a couple of episodes, which led to a series of episodes involving the turtles infiltrating the TCRI building, which led to a them discovering the Utroms, which led to them being transported to another galaxy, and in an attempt to find their way home they end up having to help a fugitive and take part in a space war. It was sick. It just kept getting more and more intense. Eventually they lost steam by the 5 season forward but at that stage I was on my way to high school and so I didn’t watch it anymore.
The soundtrack and intro especially were extremely cool.
Some of the fight scenes were really well done.
It had a good mix of action, comedy, and slice of life.
The writing was good. You had so many cool episodes, like the one where Raph befriends a blind lady, or where Donnie goes to the future and sees what would happen if he wasn’t around to keep his brothers together, or the one where Leo gets his ass beat to a pulp and crash lands into April’s apartment where she, Casey, and her brothers are chilling, and suddenly they have to work to together to fight off the foot clan and the shredder while trying to help a dying Leo.
It had some cool shock moments, like how Baxter Stockman just got progressively more mutilated every time you saw him, or the episodes with the nanobot, or the first time the shredder dies he get his fucking head decapitated by Leo and the first time you saw it you didn’t know he was an Utrom so you just witness the most brutal thing you have ever seen on a children’s cartoon.


It was just a cool show.

>>152333379
They made that Leo gay (he kisses Casey Jones). It was just a joke though.

>>152333423
I agree entirely with this assessment. Though the intro was a little cringey, and I was annoyed because each time they held a 'choose the next theme song contest' there were always like five terrible ones and one good one, and the worst one always won.

it's telling that 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' has such a perfect trochaic vibe that it fits with a ton of tunes, or you can swap a lot of other words in, and the original theme song will still, as the younglings say, 'slap.' with 'fire' or whatever.
And yet every version since, that tries to ape that song, goes with equal emphasis on each syllable, making it just run together as a boring, octosyllabic nothing.
Well that or they start busting out the rap. No, no thanks, guys.

>>152322389
What is wrong with this version of Ralphael and Donatello? I think they are fine as It Is.

>>152334564
yeah this is a real stretch
i havent seen much of the new shit but it's hard to imagine a mikey worse than 2012. He wasn't merely dumb, he was "should not be left unsupervised for even an hour" dumb.

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>>152322591
TMNT got surprisingly dark at times.
It's the only cartoon where Splinter fucking dies.

>>152324865
>he thought original TMNT was baby shit compared to 2003 TMNT.
He was correct.

>>152334816
Watching 80s TMNT drunk is great though.

>>152322993
The Bay movies arguably ruined TF's inage too.

>>152334806
I think gen Z is just badly calibrated. they think having someone die is 'dark'
>>152334832
dude it was so fun as a kid, I loved bonding with my dad over the humor. Considering these days there's always a goofy comedy version of any serious property, TMNT '87 is leaps and bounds ahead.
and the first season or so had some really decent action, too. especially for its budget.

>>152334867
Yeah that didn't help, but it was also kind of a blip

all I thought the entire time was like, "why didn't they do Michael Bay's Street Sharks? or Biker Mice? he would have nailed that."

>>152331489
perfect.

I never thought about it before how much difficulty the turtles would have with their schooling, since it's not like the sewer has a ton of paper and pencils.

that, and Splinter's english reading skills are surely kinda rudimentary and he'd have to teach them Nihongo..

>>152335438
The one thing I would change if I did TMNT is Yoshi would pick up Splinter in America. There's a BUNCH of reasons that makes more sense, ranging from 'you can't bring a pet rat with you from Japan and carry him across the continent as a penniless refugee' to 'Splinter is almost definitely an escapee from NIMH just as sure as the turtles got coated in Daredevil's mutagen canister.'

>>152324874
Go back to /pol already you leftard. You can find people to argue with about your lies there.

>>152335900
where do you think he came from? they run that place.

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>>152326198
They've ruined April. This should be a time of celebration for us, but instead, I find myself overcome with indifference.

>>152335922
This is a cute black chick but she's not April at all.
wtf happened to Bebop's snout.. and why is he caucasian?

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>>152335936
They made the black guy white and the white girl black. Though I'm betting that they never even knew that Bebop was originally black. They also removed all of his hair. Bebop and Rocksteady are able to be goofy, cool, and terrifying all at the same time. If your image shows them in any of these 3 states, you've succeeded. The MtG image does none of those things.

>>152335922
>Hasbro getting sued by shareholders for making too many shitty magic cards
Karma's a bitch, ain't it?

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>>152336056
I do like a lot of what modern B+R designs do. . Giving Bebop sideburns is awesome.
>>152336064
how the fuck does that work

>>152336096
fuckin playmates with their fucked up colors for so many years..

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>>152336107
I really liked what the IDW comics did with them.

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They'd act goofy, but were just way too strong to not take seriously. They were also incredibly prone to violence, which made them terrifying.

>>152336270
>>152336279
acceptable for sure.

>>152336279
You would think their whole deal would be that one of them is as vicious and unstoppable as a wild pig, and one of them as armored and ill-tempered as a rhino..
but in their original incarnations, basically shredder took two z-list thugs and gave them a lotta muscles and they were just like 'hehe cool, ima be real lazy now'

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The series is notorious for turning into utter shit after issue 100. I dropped the series in disgust at issue 103. Then I saw this cover. It got me hyped. Tokka and Raza being introduced and they'd face off against Bebop and Rocksteady? You son of a bitch, I'm in! B&R had been written to be practically invincible in those comics and were used sparingly. So to see them across from T&R and being the small guys? I just had to see this. I was back in.
So I pushed through all the crap up to the issue. Some of the worst garbage I've ever read mind you. (Thankfully I at least got to read it for free) Then I got to this issue. Surely there's no way they can mess this up.
Well they messed it up. A stupid fucking battle of the bands. There was barely an opening salvo against T&R and then B&R lost the battle of the bands without even playing. Trying to put aside how bad music based plots translate to the written page, and this was no exception, surely B&R would go on a rampage after having lost. They're too stupid and selfish to accept a loss with grace and dignity and keep their words. So when they lost (Without even playing, remember) they just walked away. They didn't break anything. They didn't fight anyone. Nothing.
Worst comic I've ever read in my life.

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I'm just including this one because I like the image of them.

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>>152336335
I like their 87 versions. They were still cool. Yes, they became comedy oriented henchmen later on, but their debut had them as strong threats that had to be outwitted to be beaten. Ultimately, they fulfilled their role in that show well.

>>152336404
I don't know what I was expecting, but not that.

how the fuck would 15-foot-tall monsters even play instruments? How would they even get through the door?

>>152322389
The fuck was wrong with '07 Donnie?
'87 Raph is different sure, but the core "rude asshole" part of the character is still there.

>>152336595
Oh, my bad. I have misled you with the details. Tokka and Raza were not part of the battle of the bands. They were quickly calmed down via a video phone call from Karai and then whisked away and removed from the plot entirely.
The battle of the bands had Bebop and Rocksteady set to go up against, ugh, Jennika. Jennika, the girl 5th turtle they added. Oh, but it gets worse. See, you're probably thinking that the band would at least be all the TMNT, but no lol. That would make at least a semblance of sense. Jennika's band mates were all just random OC mutants that had gotten introduced during the mutant town arc.
So Jennika and her OC furry mutant friends all rock out so hardcore that Bebop just stares in awe at how good they are before he and Rocksteady leave without even playing or making a fuss.
I found a picture of it. It reminded me that Koya was one of the members of the band, which just made it worse. If you're unfamiliar with who Koya is I'll let you know. Koya was The Shredder's pet falcon which he mutated. She is extremely aggressive, violent, and hates the turtles; especially Leonardo who cut up her wings. She really wants to kill them all. So naturally even she had to have her character butchered in the wake of the 5th turtle curse known as Jennika.
Just remembering all of this and typing this up has made me mad. That's how bad it all is.

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>>152336788
Heck, recounting it got me so worked up that I forget to attach the picture.

>>152336510
i'm genuinely surprised Neca hasn't done special 'first appearance' versions, with Rocksteady in his helmet and with the white wifebeater with camo pants, and Bebop in his yellow vest.. I mean if they did the fucking easter bunnies, then...
>>152336718
07 Don didn't get to do much, and was a bit dismissive, and I think people are blaming him for that part of the writing.
>>152336788
ohhhhh hahahaha that's even worse. Good fucking gravy these people need to be blasted into space
is.. is anyone else kinda depressed by the fact that like, the majority of people need to be fucking culled?

>>152336788
>Jennika
Isn't she some literal deviantart OC that got canonized when her artist broke out into "official" publication work?

>>152336808
>the majority of people need to be fucking culled?
Evil cannot create, it can only destroy. That's been proven to be very evident over the past 15 years or so.
>is anyone else kinda depressed
I used to be. Now I've just become indifferent to it all.

This >>152336867 was meant for you >>152336815
Man, that's twice in a row now that I'm screwing up my posts. I'm heading to bed after this post.
>>152336831
No idea about that one, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest at this point if it were true.

>>152336831
>>152336905
Allegedly no, Jennika was Tim Waltz's idea. But idk maybe he was covering for Sofie Campbell's shit.

>>152336808
Didn't those two shatter Donnie's shell? Did they ever get comeuppance for that?

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>>152336951
>Didn't those two
Yes. They did. It was shocking and brutal. It was heartbreaking. It was incredible writing and had magnificent artwork to help with telling that story.
>shatter Donnie's shell? Did they ever get comeuppance for that?
They got beaten in a fight, but nothing from the turtles that could possibly be equal to what B&R did. It was even something that was brought up again as a legitimate PTSD issue for Donnie.

>>152336951
No, and Savanti Romero did said IDW turtles are the most pathetic turtles.

>>152337090
Rough. Where? In that Battle Nexus crossover?

>>152336986
Meta Turtles were accurate to Issue 1 and Issue 1 only.

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>>152336986
>tfw no turtle bros to drink beer with

>>152337060
Eventually, this is just some misery porn because the writers never let Donnie to overcome this trauma.

By the way, Karai can still easily beat B&R by herself. Again, the story has been over 150 issues, and IDW turtles are still a bunch of weaklings.

>>152336905
idzokaymang, i fuggup allatimes.
>>152336986
I still hold that Turtles Forever was not crossing over with the 87 cartoon universe, but the TOY COMMERCIAL universe.
>exaggerated, silly characterization
>wrong voices
>a nonsensical status quo that doesn't fit with any part of the show (Technodrome placement, etc), but is 'always happening' (e.g. 'we're always saving April')
>the vehicle is called the 'Party Wagon' not the Turtle Van.

now as for the mirageverse.. ehh.. it is turtle-universe-PRIME so maybe it was the first draft eastman and laird did.

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>>152336404
>>152328993

>>152337655
also? preaching is way worse when the groups actually have power.

>>152336788
IDW TMNT has the same issue as Big 2. There are many inconsistently written character in the comic. Everything will eventually become plot devices. They always regardless of the character's pre-existing personality and backstory, and then loosely re-writing their motivations to fit.

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>>152322215
This episode was the main reason I was into mutant girls and Mona Lisa is just the best.

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>>152322654
I like Shinigami new look in IDW

>>152338450
what was her old look

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>>152329281
Hey, I vaguely remember those Madballs toys back in the day. That gross out trend back then was indeed all over the place with some of the gross-looking TMNT toys and stuff like Toxic Avengers, Creepy Crawlers, and Garbage Pail Kids. Those trading cards were based.

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He-Man had no coherent root concepts that made it popular. It rose to billion-dollar-franchise status because it was a massive improvement... in toys. Before He-Man, toys were almost invariably limp pieces of plastic made by people that were striving for realistic proportions. He Man gave the world outrageous proportions, and a dude that karate chopped, and a dude that swung his tail, and a monster that sprayed acid (water from a built-in water pistol) etc. Of course it sold like hotcakes. And of course the arms race was on, with TMNT becoming the clear leader since "mutant" and "ninja" gave them a mix of cool battle gear and bizarre designs to draw upon. And they were able to tap into whatever part of the brain turns kids into furries, that didn't hurt.
And the 90s TMNT movie was pretty damn accurate to the source material (with help from Jim Henson, no less) while the He-Man movie very much was not.
Honestly it's not surprising that the most staying factor among the 80s franchises were TMNT and Transformers. Their toy lines had the most potential for versatility while staying technically "on theme."

>>152329385
I prefer sarcastic Raph to moody, angry and pissy all the time Raph.

>>152339295
I like moody, angry and pissy Raph because he's just like me!

>>152329385
I'm guessing his Brooklyn voice is pretty soft compared to every other Raph.

>>152322215
>out of all 80s franchises

Most franchises that were popular in the 80s are still popular, though.

As for why TMNT was popular, because it appeals to every boy. Gross stuff, ninjas, sci-fi, humor, toyetic energy. Even some girls were into it.

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>>152338058
Mona Lisa an absolute cutie pie.

>>152339313
When I was a child I had a favorite turtle, but now I don't. I've found that all 4 of the turtles have parts of them that I can relate with. It really is the group as a whole that works for me.

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>>152338450
I hate this trend of having women with cat ears style hair. The pandering to furries is obvious and gross.
>>152339223
>And they were able to tap into whatever part of the brain turns kids into furries, that didn't hurt.
And yet the vast majority of us that were Turtlemaniacs did not go on to become furries. Why would we when they made sure to always have a hot Damsel in distress around?

https://youtu.be/X_R1ZYp2M8E

>>152322215
03 is overrated and so this is why 03fags writer had to make 80 turtles dirty in Turtles Forever.

>>152340477
Turtles Forever did the ‘87 Turtles dirty because Peter Laird has a hate-boner for them because they’ve always been and always will be the most popular and famous iteration of the TMNT and he can’t stand that.

>>152322215
Dumb luck
>Originally started as some weird underground comic parodying edgy 80s comics.
>Out of nowhere someone approached the creators and said that the concept sounds marketable.
>A random toy company aquired the license.
>A random cartoon studio was chosen to make a cartoon.
>Somehow, thanks to how groundbreaking the first toyline was and how crazy the original show was, became a pop culture phenomenon.
Too bad the toy company just lost the license due to incompetence and pissing off Viacom too many times and the current show just got canned with the next animated movie already looking screwed.

>>152340086
They really don't make 'em like they used to.

>>152340707
The Fred Wolf studio tried to sue Eastman and Laird for the turtle rights, so it’s no wonder there’s bad blood there, either. They tried to claim they invented basic elements like the turtles living in the sewers

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>>152341229
I think Fred Wolf also tried to claim that they created April's Jumpsuit look, when even Kevin pointed out that look originated from the comics.

>>152341229
I don’t think they tried to claim they invented the idea of the turtles living in the sewers. Their phrasing was, “we put the turtles in the sewers”, which I interpret as a retarded way of saying, “we put the turtles on the map (or public eye)” which is very much true, the turtles would have never reached the highs they did without that cartoon. It doesn’t excuse the crummy things Fred Wolf tried to pull however.

>>152341602
Considering they also claimed
>>152341378
I would not be surprised they literally meant sticking them in the sewers. Being a legal proceeding, they'd have to be very specific about their claims and not using figures of speech. I don't think we don't know the exact phrasing as the legal matter has been locked under nondisclosure, just Eastman's phrasing of it.
https://www.tcj.com/the-kevin-eastman-interview-part-i/
>Then there was Fred Wolf, the animation company, that we worked with, hired by Playmates, a work-for-hire animation studio, that basically said they created everything about the Turtles that made them such a big phenomenon. So they sued for half the royalties that we’d made in the entire history of the property. That was a big suit: millions and millions of dollars to deal with that. I mean, this guy’s deposition had stuff like “He put the Turtles in the sewer.” We put the Turtles in the sewer in issue #1. He put our character April in a jumpsuit. That was issue #2; it was ludicrous! It was phenomenal. Anybody that wanted to sue you could sue you for whatever grounds, and did!

For what it's worth, the sewer lair was not that prominent early on, and arguably in the early issues they spend more time in the NH farmhouse than NYC.

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>>152322215
Owned by a huge corporation that willing to put it out in all manner of media, while every other anthro team franchise pretty much is dead or now only exists in comics.

>>152334769
Fuck me. I just read this in Barry Gordon's voice.

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>>152341821
>that basically said they created everything about the Turtles that made them such a big phenomenon
This part isn’t wrong. Without Playmates and Fred Wolf, Eastman and Laird wouldn’t have become millionaires.

I remember this one point in the 2003 show where Leo had gotten his swords knocked out of his hands and it was treated like a big deal, like, how is Leo going to get out of this one? He’s unarmed!
But moments later Leo gets his swords back and… proceeds to punch and kick the bad guys while holding his swords.
I guess they give his kicks some extra oomph!

>>152342413
phrasing matters though, anon. It's one thing to say their cartoon, the marketing, and wider visibility made them as popular as they were, that's true. But they wanted to claim stake in it by saying they directly created parts they did not, even if the way they presented it was more popular.
And considering how Eastman and Laird were involved. in early development, it makes it even more dubious because one could also put forth that they were also . Laird came up with the bandanna colors(for the toyline, before the show even), for example. Eastman and Laird also vetoed some ideas, like the Turtles living in the technodrome, which ironically meant them keeping the sewer lair could be chalked up to them.

>>152332537
No, it's because David Wise thought the comic turtles had no distinct personalities and claims he invented them. Which is dubious, since the solo issues came out around the same time and started establishing individual traits.

>>152340707
>always will be the most popular and most famous
I don't think that's true any more.

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Favorite miniseries

>>152342661
While I don't think the 80's show is all that relevant these days, I also don't know what would be more popular than it.

>>152342801
As popular as it was in its time? No. But it's really not that popular these days outside of niche fandom.

>>152343134
The modern iterations have never made it outside of "niche fandom" though.

No version of the TMNT have hit the highs of Turtlemania that the ‘87 series ushered. The closest was the 2012 series. The 2003 series was barely a blip in comparison.

This thread reminds me of the old Technodrome Forums. A cesspit ironically full of bitter old Miragefags who can’t get over the fact that the Mirage comics are the least popular, least relevant part of the franchise.

>>152343328
>A cesspit ironically full of bitter old Miragefags who can’t get over the fact that the Mirage comics are the least popular, least relevant part of the franchise
With shit like invincible getting adapted I wonder if there could be possible be outright adaption of mirage comics with violence and all.

>>152343220
>The 2003 series was barely a blip in comparison.
7 season run isn't that bad

>>152344423
I’m not talking about how long the show lasted, I’m talking about the impact it had in the public presence.

April, of course.

>>152322389
IMO 2012 Mikey is the worst. I get that Mikey is supposed to be the lighthearted goofball of the group, but that doesn't mean he should be "dropped as a baby on the head" levels of retarded. Also, I didn't like his voice.

>>152322389
cartoon raphael was the reason I liked him the most, I even defended his emo crybaby version from the movies because wise cracking raph. when I smartened up I realized that every angry version of raph sucks, he is big for nothing, hampered by splinter because he cant control his rage, mogged by leo because hes actually stronger and smarter, and he never has a plan for anything. raph can never beat leo. he wants to be the leader but all he does is AWW SHUCKS I WANNA GO FIGHT like a moron. guy could never be the glue or heart of the click, he has to be put together all the time. outside of cartoon raph, he's a big bitch.

>>152338970
Huh. kinda lateral move.
>>152339165
see now this is an example of the grossout that does NOT seem cool to me, but just lame. But having grown up and learned the context, now I get it. they're making fun of how ugly cabbage patch kids are.
>>152339223
yeahhh you're right, and it's funny to me that that tradition of fucking nothing figures continued into the 90s in the form of like, the Star Trek line. Who wanted those? I loved the shows, but.. I didn't want little generic 5poa figures of them.

>>152339360
yeah this one didn't go for that at all. I mean he definitely has a little borscht-belt in him, but very much of the 'hey i just flew into the catskills and boy are my arms tired' brand.

>>152345503
Craig Cipes' "Beast Boy" voice is THE most annoying shit I've heard in cartoons in a while.

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>>152328993
Dang, that fox girl (Ninjara, I think?) looks hot in that slipping t-shirt.

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>>152333246
There is EVERYTHING wrong with this Leo.

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>>152322389
From the same guy.

>>152346408
God, I love this cartoon.

>>152346364
Ninjara was probably the single reason that TMNTA was selling. Every reader had a crush on her. Some still do...(sigh)

>>152322215
only thing holding back the 80's turtle was the kids rating and that stupid UK law that made nunchuks illegal for some reason. they couldve really pushed the action just based on the intro alone. Also best intro theme ever.

>>152322587
2003 was closer to the comic.

>>152346623
You can thank worthless ass mothers in the 80s complaining about violence in cartoons

>>152324707
Kevin Eastman mostly checked out once the toy deal and show deal was done. his true interests were in soft core porn like the stuff in Heavy Metal.

>>152324764
laird didnt like where that version was headed and didnt renew the license. that version was interesting though.

>>152339968
Kinda same. I understand them a lot better now.
>>152339995
is THAT what those bun-horns are meant to evoke? Because they don't, at all. furries are the best and you're a retard, but that looks nothing like cat ears.
>vast majority
you are aware everyone is a furry, right?

>>152326976
I prefer this version to the moody comic ralph that was raging out and creating drama.

>>152340759
that's not remotely how it went. They shopped it around everywhere, Playmates was the only company poor enough to give them a shot, making the toyline and using the funds to make a tv pitch, then they shopped THAT around until finally the cheapest fucking network picked it up, and I believe it changed studios when moving to TV.

>>152342413
Yeah but they themselves worked on that part. They're like "Saturday morning? toyline? Okay, we can work with that. here, how are these 30 concepts for ya?" they invented Bebop (as some bounty hunter guy), Mutagen Man, Krang, and a fuckton others. They thought of fun toy gimmicks to do.. Playmates basically got handed that shit on a platter, and then Fred Wolf was able to pull from that.
>>152342483
yeah exactly. this guy gets it. We even have video of them thinking up the bandana colors thing.
>>152342623
I think you got mixed up, we're talking about why raph ended up the jokey sarcastic one.

>>152346432
Eh. Seems legit, I guess.

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>>152341911
Really wish they'd reprint Bodycount physically.

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>>152322389
This has to be the worst version of Raph, no?

>>152343220
yeah but in fairness NOTHING hits highs like that anymore.
We're at a time where having like a .37 market share is considered massive. When it used to be like, measured in low whole numbers like 2 or 3.
If you take that into consideration, uh.. well you're still right, but less so.
>>152343328
How do you figure? I see nobody here defending mirage. we all know it was flawed and will never be as popular as things with actual movement and sound.

>>152344261
It would be fucking tits if Laird took the helm again, got to do basically what 2k3 would have been without 4kids breathing down his neck

the best parts of mirage, but also paving over the goofier parts of mirage with fun new ideas, and including some of the better parts of the franchise (I don't need them OBSESSING over pizza, but they're new yorkers. They should eat pizza regularly. Quietly, in the back. like the movies did, or slightly less so.)

>>152345274
This is funnier because tmnt '87 had that very common tv cliche of an inexplicably racially integrated gang
not just racially, but like, everyone had their own unique punk styles. does Rocksteady really look like a guy who would 'run with the same crew' as Bebop or the bat guy? He's in military fatigues for chrissakes.

Kids should be taught that GANGS are racist. that prisoners are racist. That's all you need, really, to understand why it's retarded. Dumb ignorant ghetto fools believe in segregation. Rich people are like 'hi rich black guy' 'oh hi rich white guy, how's it goin?' 'oh you know, made some more money' 'that's wonderful to hear, you know, my daughter and your son seem pretty sweet on each other, might be wedding bells soon' 'haha okay, but you're covering half!' and then they laugh for a bit and then go play tennis and shit.

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>>152335922
Why they never considered a Asian April? Make her like Aska from TMNT: Tournament Fighters.

>>152345904
I love his voice, but I can see why people don't
I think they should have let him stick a little closer to his natural voice, which is basically that, but a bit deeper. He's a really fun guy, very much in tune with Mikey, and a good fit...

buuuut >>152345503 yeah you said it. He's fuckin Simple Jack levels of retarded. You never wanna go full retard.

I've said it before in other threads but it bears repeating: Mikey should be thought of like Egoraptor. silly, yes, but with intelligence behind it. but in front of the intelligence is a severe case of ADD, a refusal to be patient, or to do the hard work. A guy who would get straight As in school, except that he hates school and just wants to do something that gives him the good brain juices.
His ability to bring up a popculture reference on a dime is a sign of a BRIGHT mind. His jokes should serve to lighten tense moments, and build up his brothers.

>>152345503
2012 and 2003 had worse Mikey.

>>152345552
he's Wolverine, bub.
>>152346129
i love how the 2012 turtles here are super stylized (and april is actually drawn competently) whereas the '87 turtles here have their ultra-bright-skinned style guide colors and the really generic faces, most aren't even watching the action.

>>152346408
I like how the live action movies take advantage of reptilian necks to put a believable seam in the costumes (well, in most shots) while the cartoon did it so the head could be a separate cel and they didn't have to animate the body

>>152335922
>>152335936
At least they kept the red-hair.

>>152346887
>2003
How?

>>152346432
>2012 Leo
the best of his show, for sure, but basically just following from Cam and Brian
>2003 Don
.. one of the better ones, but got so little time to shine. I liked that he was the guy carrying the duffel bag with their accessories. To me, it's movie II Don. He's thoughtful, insightful, and genuinely smart if you ignore how badly the technobabble was written. And while I'm glad Corey got clean, I don't think his Don holds a candle to Adam's.
>2007 Raph
yeah, definitely. He's perfectly distilled down. Him or movie 1.
>vs Batman Mike
uhhh no. He was almost a dumb as 2012 mike. A complete liability and one of the worst parts of that movie.
Best Mike is my man Robbie Rist by a longshot. He's clever, he has a good heart, and he considers things from other angles. Who else but Mike could have misgivings about going back from their time travel adventure, and consider just staying behind? Get in on the weeb shit before it's cool..

>>152345904
Cipes playing Mikey was an inevitability.

>>152346683
we seriously need to put them back under control, and I just don't see how it could ever happen. All the good, sensible women would have to be at the head of it. A big, powerful reverse feminism movement. My daughter is one of those, and I'm very proud of her. She'll be a wonderful mother someday.
>>152346742
yeah and I love him for it, but good lord did Heavy Metal 2000 suck.
>>152346779
Tip from a moody guy here: it's really frustrating when you don't see the pre-existing drama we're reacting to, and assume we created it. Maybe give the benefit of the doubt and assume nobody got pissed for no reason.

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>>152345552
I like IDW's explanation of Raph's anger. He is a orphan and wandering alone until he met a blind homeless who was kind to him, and may even his first family. Later he was killed by some street thugs, which partially explains Raph's anger issues because of insecurity and was afraid of losing someone important to him. But unfortunately, they still ended up make IDW Raph being a toxic angry one.

During the Slightly Artistic episode where Doug Walker is on, he has them draw April. Fittingly O'Neil draws O'Neil.
And she has the cutest beady little eyes and scrunched up nose all while having gargantuan tits and ass.
Quite tangential but I felt like going autistic on this because it made me want to draw and find a style I like. And it made me wonder if a black and white TMNT series with simplistic styles that then become heavily shaded like the original book during certain action poses/scenes would look....very kino.
>>152322677
Nah Transformers might go into hibernation but I think it will come back eventually. Skybound might lose steam too but the concept is just too good. What I think deters people from Turtles is that the limited main cast who have limited personality sets means you will run into variations that are not as different as say Transformers which had entirely new iterations that changed the setting and created unique characters to each setting that are then transplanted into other ones.

>>152346882
2012 Mikey really suffers from them being determined to make him just (arguably a flanderized) version of Teen Titans cartoon Beast Boy.
I'm sure Cipes can do other voices but they were so determined in having him sound like BB and acting like him it drives his whole character.

>>152346938
The best Mikey being either from the live-action trilogy or the 1987 series is both funny and kinda appropriate

>>152347041
It really feels like some sort of forced mandate where the comic relief MUST be funny at ALL times. Bolin was the exact same way in Korra, and that was also grating.

>>152347034
>What I think deters people from Turtles is that the limited main cast who have limited personality sets means you will run into variations that are not as different as say Transformers which had entirely new iterations that changed the setting and created unique characters to each setting that are then transplanted into other ones.
Irony is, Transformers has locked itself into a set cast for the last few iterations, with mostly similar characterizations, and as a result has become very stagnant
Where as TMNT is becoming more experimental

>>152347186
I’m fine with the experimental takes myself. The existence of Rise of the TMNT doesn’t make the ‘87 or 2003 TMNT stop existing.

>>152346836
>every x-men adaptation where they make wolverine tall and handsome and then try to make him the leader

>>152324764
>Spawn HBO series

This and The Maxx are the gold standards of animated comic book adaptations IMO. Nothing comes anywhere close.

>>152327010
April O'neil is a lot like Batman, Lobo, and Deadpool. Her first appearance will never be her definitive version.

>>152346871
2010s would absolutely have done this if they didn't already have the 2012 show, which was Nick trying to 'start anew with the 1987 show' to get their version of the franchise off to a familiar start. 2010s was all about asian and vaguely brown protags. And nobody had a problem with it, more or less.

2020s was about outrage farming. You don't just make everyone black, you make the most inappropriate characters black, and you make them UGLY. ugly and fat. Because people will hate it, and you can call those people racist.

we need to start treating journalism the way we treat guys in pointy hoods or armed-to-the-teeth allahu snackbars, because that is all they are.

>>152347129
It's not just Mikey, Leo become someone whose near-pathological perfectionism but also haughty, disconnected. Raph become stuck in an equally shallow mold: the perpetually confrontational, brute-force “problematic tough guy.” That distorted version is the one that ended up attracting the loudest, most toxic strain of fandom. Donnie become a skinny, stereotypes nerd and soft, the writers fucking forgot that he is also deadly as the other 3.

>>152346887
2003 mike isn't THAT bad, but he's bad compared to how serious and good the show is. His 'takes' are fucking awful, he sounds groany and whiny like a bad Egoraptor character (yeah I know, I just said make him like Arin, but they got the wrong aspects of him)
2007 is surely one of the worst though, since he was meant to be (softly) a continuation of the old movies, and yet he was NOTHING like that mike. just a pointless airhead who did nothing.
>>152346975
why would raph have been an orphan, I'm confused. that's not the IDW story I was told.
>>152347041
Fair. but that really is how Cipes is, yknow. He's a surfer, brah. He came up with 'booyakasha' which.. is fucking irritating, but less so than 'goongala goongala' so whatever. I can't say my versions are perfect.
>>152347186
yeah it's a shame. Beast Wars showed what they SHOULD have done going forward
but because of a truly moronic executive decision to... replace the entire writing team for the Beast Wars sequel, and have them purposely have no knowledge of Beast Wars, before doing their show.. and then change the entire transforming concept so now it's shapeshifting.. yeah no shit, you killed the golden goose. But your response was "people hate Beast Wars, nevermind, stick to G1 rehashes forever."

>>152347422
It attempts to.
>>152347490
That's the one where he's Goliath, right?
>>152347523
It's weird because when's the last time you saw a skinny, gangly 80s nerd? Those went out of fashion once they exited the gene pool. Nerds today are thickly built, and that's how I feel Don should be. The slowest of the bunch, but with plenty of raw power when needed.

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What's your ideal Ooze color?

87 pink
Movie Green
2012 Turquoise
Bay Movie Purple

>>152347540
>and have them purposely have no knowledge of Beast Wars
How the fuck did DiDio fail upwards after actively keeping the previous show away from the writers.

>>152346762
You're a stupid faggot. I pity you for how mush brained you are.

one of the most raped franchises ever

>>152347628
I liked the idea they seemed to be going for originally, which is
>purple mutagen, green retromutagen
that way the green stuff is the dangerous stuff, the stuff that'll revert our heroes to normal turtles, to be avoided.
unfortunately nobody knew what 'retromutagen' meant, and it all got mungled up and the ooze was inconsistent in the show and the toys, which made the purple stuff 'retromutagen FOOT ooze' to distinguish it

>>152347628
It's so funny how they were instantly fully grown in this scene. Meaning this is not some FIFTEEN YEARS AGO drawn out story. this JUST happened. Yoshi still has dates on his calendar that he's having to miss because he's a rat now. It's no wonder these guys never thought of Splinter as their father.
>>152347681
at least i'm not in denial that animals are cool, and sometimes hot, which is why they've been icons of art for thousands of years, be it in a sexual context or just a cool violent one like a bipedal crocodile god that's gonna bite you.

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Yoshi and Splinter are no angels in Mirage. Yoshi is a straight up member of the Foot Clan. It’s entirely possible he had killed innocent people, but we can only speculate. At the very least, he killed Nagi when he didn’t necessarily have to. Splinter quite literally raised and trained child soldiers for one singular purpose. One that could have easily been a suicide mission if things didn’t go their way.

And 2012 Splinter is actually the most balanced incarnation between the Mirage Splinter and others Splinter.

>>152347993
What's the lower right from?

>>152347993
>he didn't necessarily have to.
Did Nagi not murder Tang Shen? I forget how that went exactly,

>>152322215
Moichendising

>>152348074
oh right, he just tried to rape her, and Yoshi killed him
yeah Iunno dude I feel like that's just part of the bro code. You look the other way when a guy is killed for macking on another guy's woman. in ancient times that shit would get you executed summarily.

>>152348198
It's actually too bad no adaptation ever includes this, because imagine Saki as this guy living in the shadow of his almost certainly abusive older brother, sublimating the feeling of freedom he got when the rapey asshole got killed into a desire for revenge, because he had battered-little-brother stockholm syndrome.
Maybe his brother saw his drawings of spiky ninja armor and 'シュレッダー' written clumsily, and laughed at him, then kicked him in the ribs and asked him to go rob him some dinner.

Then after he's dead, Saki goes into Nagi's room, starting to feel good about being an only child, and then sees Nagi redrew the concept, looking way cooler, and he kinda snaps.

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>>152347628
87 pink

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>>152346836
I wanted to see more of his enraged, "I will lose control and destroy you" side. Sadly only the movie really got into that.

>>152345503
After rewatching '12 several times I disagree. A lot of the time he really is just pretending to be a moron to annoy his family. He always pulls through when it matters. He even happily kills a dude, and is the second turtle among his brothers to kill someone and have it be acknowledged (the first being Leo ofc)

>>152339995
>And yet the vast majority of us that were Turtlemaniacs did not go on to become furries.
I didn't say that it was the biggest factor, just that it didn't hurt that they had that going for them too.

>>152349142
i find it pretty hard to believe 2012 nickelodeon allowed the heroes to kill anyone

>>152347186
I miss when we had unique takes on established characters like Armada Starscream, RiD 2001 Ultra Magnus and Animated Prowl.

I think even if the turtles had street fighter or wuxia tier superpower that can cast ki power to blow out their enemy or flying. More importantly, they should not be bound by most modern secular morals and laws like caped heroes. They have no reason to obey or any obligation to play the role of guardian angels. They only care about their own interests, family, and their friends. They are like Ryu Hayabusa or Rikimaru, showing no mercy in killing their enemies.

>>152349751
Will eternally hate Nickelodeon for getting rid of her ass attack. Nickelodeon has been as toxic to this franchise as Disney is to Star Wars.

>>152347993
I think its sort of implied that the original Foot aren't necessarily evil-evil, they work for hire as protection services. Could be some innocents caught in the crossfire, and given City at War, even the Japanese side isn't above that, but I don't think they were regularly It's Oroku Saki who repurposed it as more of a crime organization, with part of the City at War storyline's angle is that the Japanese branch didn't like them going AWOL. When Karai's side wins, they're civil enough to call a truce with the turtles that remains in place for the rest of the Mirage series, and they're not really doing anything "evil"(not that the Mirage turtles are outright patrolling for crime).
One interesting thing about 2k3, despite taking a lot of Mirage cues, it specifically has Splinter not wanting them to fight Shredder

>>152349826
eeeeyup.
everybody's reeing about muh corporations lately, but corporations made all of these things. It's just... they were smart, and good at business. they gave us as much of what-we-want as moms would allow. Now, for some reason.. they're fucking retarded. Really need to start issuing business licenses based on IQ
>>152349907
shinobi without assassinations is kinda silly, I think at best they are morally dark gray.

>>152322215
Part of it is probably because Eastman and Laird had control over it for a long while, and then Laird solo during the 00s

I also think it just had a good design and solid foundation in the 80s. Go look at the comics from the 80s that were knock-offs of TMNT; a lot of designs just weren't that memorable. Even as crude as Eastman and Laird's stuff was in the mid-80s the designs they came up with in the comics worked, then you had Mark Taylor, Varner Studios doing designs for the Ninja Turtles toys, and then the 80s cartoon fleshed out anything that the comics couldn't

The aesthetic fit with the 80s ninja craze and the 90s gross-out wave

Then you got the 90s movies with the first one doing pretty damn well by 90s superhero movies standards and the Archie comic being solid enough to have its own fanbase

The 2003 show ran for 7 seasons on broadcast network, this is even more impressive when you remember this is around the time that studios got more reliant on importing anime for Saturday mornings which meant it was doing well with Late Millennial/Early Gen Z crowd, which meant TMNT didn't end up solely being a Late Gen X/Early Millennial franchise

Plus Playmates didn't fuck their TMNT toyline up the way Mattel did with 2002 MOTU

I think they also got lucky that the TMNT 2012 show was as popular as it was so that kept the momentum going

>>152349963
the first one was, at the time, the highest-grossing independent film. only blair witch took it over, when we entered the era of 'the most profitable horse to hitch your wagon to is just dumb cheap stupid shit that idiots will eat up'

do recall though, one of the 2k3 seasons never aired, it was only on On Demand services.
also please stop saying millennial. iiiit sickens me. you're not even using it right.

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>>152322215
Best and sexiest April o'Neil

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I rabu April o'Neil

>>152346820
> we're talking about why raph ended up the jokey sarcastic one.
That’s what I mean, Wise wasn’t trying to sanitize mirage Raph, he didn’t know or care what Mirage Raph’s personality was in the first place. He thought the comics were dumb. At least on the record.

>>152349979
Indeed. it's telling that I hate that peggy-hill-ass hairstyle yet she still rocks it.
>>152350009
Wise didn't come up with the turtles' personality on the show then

>>152343328
I would not say Mirage is forgotten. 2012 is constantly referencing it, there’s little tops of the hat to it, Eastman is basically on board full time working on the property in some form.
It’s mainly superficial, sure, and largely based on the really early issues than anything after Return to NY.
But I wouldn’t call it forgotten, if anything it’s far more mythologized

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>>152322215
It came out at the height of Saturday morning cartoons. After that its successors were Nickelodeon fodder and they never wanted a series to last that long unless they were pulling Spongebob numbers.

>>152350042
> Wise didn't come up with the turtles' personality on the show then
I’d say try telling him that but he’s dead now

>>152349967
>also please stop saying millennial. iiiit sickens me. you're not even using it right.

I am using it right.

>>152349907
In modern times, they may have other legitimate businesses to making money, and other families within the Foot Clan also provide resources, but this also leads to struggles. They probably had a council or others for mediating and deciding the actions of the entire Foot Clan. Mirage Karai is probably one of the them.

At least in Japan, they know how to deal with the Japanese government and other Yakuza, but in other countries they may rely more on monetary bribes, which is why they sent Oroku Saki to New York to establish a branch.

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Since Venus is a Chinese mutant turtle, perhaps they could make her have a connection with Tang Shen's family in China, and her martial arts is wuxia style.

For example, she was adopted and trained by Tang Clan, a famous clan of assassins in China, they are master of hidden weapons and poison. Tang Shen is their blood relative. Besides being employed by the Triads, another reason they sent Venus to New York was to seek revenge against Shredder.

>>152351110
1987 Venus is cute! CUTE!

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>>152349547
Well they did twice. Mikey's kill had the guy rot to bone almost immediately afterwards.

>>152322389
>>152346432
I see many saying these are wrong, but I don't see many saying who actually are the best and worst versions of each turlte.

>>152351440
The best version of the Turtles right now are their Saturday Morning Adventures comic takes. They’re like the ‘87 turtles except they often use stealth, sabotage, and trickery to outsmart the villains on more than one occasion. And they’re not held back by early 90’s television censorship so they can actually fight.

>>152335922
>They've ruined April
>picrel
so like og (mirage) april? black woman?
April supposed be black woman, not ginger anon

>>152351626
That’s proven to be false time and time again but you keep on deluding yourself.

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>>152351620
Also Mona came back and that's based.

>>152351642
I love that the book also states that not only has Splinter been giving Mona Lisa lessons in ninjitsu, but the most recent issue confirms he has also been giving April self defense lessons.
It makes perfect sense that he would do that for the people important to him and the turtles.

>>152322215
Certainly not Rise , which has already been forgotten and replaced by the MM era of kino.

>>152333246
Risefag didn't reinvent things they just turn the turts into OC, the worst turtle no character interpretation are all from Rise.

>>152351626
nope. let's put that stupid rumor to rest.

>>152351626
At most, she was described as not having a set race in the OG comics but most depictions are of her being white. Also the name.

Perseverance combined with legacy. It almost died a few times.

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>>152351626
>O'Neil
>Black
Shut up you gaslighting faggot.

>>152351817
She was based on Laird's Italian ex-girlfriend.

>>152349802
...we need a modern TMNT fighting game. Anybody can use the turtles, Konami no longer has the monopoly, and there are TONS of characters to use. Just make it like Street Fighter or make it a tag fighter (not like fuckin Smash, or some lame-ass anime arena game, and leave the goofy, kiddy crap like 2012 and Rise out of it) have arcsys or some other competent JAPANESE dev make it, and we are BACK, baby!

>>152352092
would Nickelodeon license TMNT for a fighting game?

>>152352092
>arcsys
I'd normally spazz out about my antipathy for modern arcsys, but if any franchise other than Dragon Ball lends itself well to a casual-friendly fighter, it's TMNT. They'd also be the most likely to stick to comicbook and maybe other game characters like Aska.

>>152352092
Okay, but 2012 Rahzar in a fighting game would be sick.

>>152351626
>April supposed be whatever race Eastman and Laird were horny for when writing any given issue at the moment
ftfy

https://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2018/02/was-april-oneil-originally-black-in.html

>>152352370
If they can make an Avatar fighting game they could make a new TMNT fighting game. Hell, TMNT has had several ones prior.

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Do you prefer the turtles to look the same, wildly different, or something in between?
Pic related is what I'd consider something in between.

>>152354079
I prefer them to look similar to each other, and I hate when artists clutter their designs with unnecessary details and clutter like in later IDW issues.

>>152322389
Make a tmnt team out of them lmao

>>152322215
I dunno,Transformers is still popular.