>>152334407

>The films were popular in theaters, and the character was familiar enough to be included in the Mickey Mouse Club opening (Humphrey is one of the characters who holds the trampoline that bounces Mickey Mouse in the air).

>Bugs- Ripoff of Oswald
>Daffy- Ripoff of Donald
>Porky- Ripoff of Mickey

>>152334586
and all 3 are more interesting and funny than the didney ones

>>152334586
Are they?

>>152334586
kind of a huge stretch

>>152334726
No. Disney doesn't own rabbits or ducks, and Porky has a personality unlike Mickey

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>>152334407
Humpfrey the Bear is the GOAT of Disney shorts

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>>152334407
they kept making assumptions for the next 30 years

>>152334833
>and Porky has a personality unlike Mickey
Babbling is not a personality, Mickey's lucky trickster is a personality

>>152334407
>>152334865
And then Universal did their 'own' with Fatso the Bear

>>152334407
>>152334865

Imb4 they order a live-action/hybrid thing of him like Seth Rogen's Figment and Jon Favreau's Oswald...

Which celebrity would you choose?

>>152335926

Taika Waititi or Ryan Reynolds

>>152334407
I thought they were trying to show up Hanna Barbera at the time

>>152335926
Rogen Figment movie is apparently getting retooled into a show.

I saw that West of Neverland video too

>>152335788
tbf it was a self ripoff because the same guy who did Humphrey left disney to work on Woodywoodpecker

>>152334586
Porky's the only one that's plausible here. Gabby Goat and Dizzy Duck are the Donald ripoffs, and Bosko is the Oswald ripoff.

>>152334407
Don't blame Disney, Classic Looney Tunes makes no sense on its own. Why does Bugs live underground in a burrow instead of in a cul de sac sharing a house with Daffy? Why is Gossamer a monster created by a mad scientist instead of being Witch Hazel's son? Why aren't they going to the DMV and the mall every episode? Where is Tina? Where is Daffy's cosmetology license? Why is Porky an asshole instead of being a timid doormat?

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Family Guy (Disney) knows what Looney Tunes was about.

>>152337125
Jack Hannah? His Lantz cartoons weren't as Tex Avery at home as this.

>>152334407
And i think that is awesome.

>>152339751
I don't

>>152334866
sex with this bobcat

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>>152335788
And Fatso was better

>>152334407
>DON’T MOLEST THE BEARS

>>152338535
THICC

>>152340317
>images you can hear

>>152335926
John C. Reilly going full Steve Brule.

>>152338535
POKE IT WITH THE STICK PUT IT IN THE BAG BUMP BUMP

>>152342296
>POKE IT WITH THE STICK PUT IT IN THE BAG BUMP BUMP
POKE IT WITH THE STICK PUT IT IN THE BAG BUMP BUMP
>POKE IT WITH THE STICK PUT IT IN THE BAG BUMP BUMP
POKE IT WITH THE STICK PUT IT IN THE BAG BUMP BUMP
>POKE IT WITH THE STICK PUT IT IN THE BAG BUMP BUMP
POKE IT WITH THE STICK PUT IT IN THE BAG BUMP BUMP
>POKE IT WITH THE STICK PUT IT IN THE BAG BUMP BUMP
POKE IT WITH THE STICK PUT IT IN THE BAG BUMP BUMP

>>152334504
I remember when Rescue Rangers was still airing new on television, how the channel advertised Humphry being in an episode as some kind of large event. At the time it was at least a novelty to see a crossover character, but Donald or Goofy would have been a bigger deal.

>>152335926

Taylor Swift

>>152334407

The Ranger and Humpfrey used to be Disney's awnser to Porky and Daffy dynamic at one point.

>>152336359
Humphrey came before Hanna Barbera's Yogi

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>>152340317
Damn (He was right)

Humphrey voiced by John Goodman, co staring Danny DeVito as The Park Ranger

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>>152334407
The closest the company ever got to Looney Tunes were Song of the South's animated sequences.

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>>152334586
Bugs is a rip-off of Daffy, though. His original short is literally a knock-off of Daffy's original short.

Daffy started out as just a regular duck and then became Porky's annoying comedic partner. Daffy being a mean jerk didn't happen until after Hunting Trilogy.

Porky is the closest to this: Oswald -> Foxy -> Buddy were all basically just Mickey clones. Porky was suppose to be part of a Barnyard Ensemble, with the cat being the main character, but Porky stood out and took over the role. Mickey defined the "cartoon everyman" role, so everyone's going to be some shade of Mickey.

>>152344038
Those were merry melodies

>>152344121
Fatso's animation is also better

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Disney's comedy shorts (with the exception of some of the Goofy shorts, and a few Donald ones) fall flat because Disney was staffed by very idealistic guys who deeply believed in the "magic" of animation, in the "illusion of life", and the focus on animation as a medium primarily for kids and families. They simply weren't crass or cynical enough to make something all that funny compared to MGM or Warner's output at the time because it wasn't in their nature. The end result is... not terribly unfunny, but not *funny* either. Very safe and white-bread, not rowdy and mean-spirited enough to be very memorable. It's like seeing your stuffy but well-meaning teacher going up on stage and trying to be funny for a school pep rally or something: their heart might be in the right place, but it's not ALL in it.
>>152334866
This same thing repeated itself- with very different studios and crews obviously- when Disney tried to ape Ren & Stimpy with their Schnookums & Meat show (except unlike those older shorts there were no little redeeming moments for that cartoon)

>>152342622
And a replacement for Donald and Goofy, when the two were together in several classic shorts.

>>152334895
>Mickey's lucky trickster is a personality
Mickey has no personality except in the comics.

>>152344587
>when Disney tried to ape Ren & Stimpy with their Schnookums & Meat show
And Timon and Pumbaa show...

Oh boy, it's another thread where Warner fags badly pretend that they've ever actually watched anything by Disney or have an understanding of basic animation history. Try watching Tortoise and the Hare, Three Orphan Kittens, The 3 Pigs, or really anything from Silly Symphonies or the Mickey series from the 30's. If you did that, you might gradually understand everything by MGM and WB is wholly derived from Disney.

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First you take a can from a rusty van, bump bump

>>152334586
Mickey was literally a rip-off of Oswald who was created because Disney lost the rights. Also, Oswald himself was a rip-off of Felix the Cat, who was mainly based off of Charlie Chaplin.

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>>152345010
Popular casual meme by people that didn't pay attention, from the original shorts to the 2000s animated he is a bugs bunny trickster figure in the stories where he has villains to fight or winning with little, it's just that like Popeye and Goofy he was made to be on a suburban context

>>152345117
lol

>>152345117
Only because Disney invented animation

>>152345117
The funniest is the guy saying Daffy is not a ripoff of Donald because he was screwball at first before some shorts were ripping off Donald getting angry
Like i thought Donald being a screwball duck for his first several appearances was very common knowledge

>>152346098
The dancing duck short?

>>152345402
And Walt based Mickey on Disney so was it ripoff incest?

>>152346998
>Walt based Mickey on Disney
What?

>>152344587
i dont remember the name of the short, but there's a donald duck cartoon where he goes hunting but so does like a million other people and all hell breaks loose. shit's a total warzone
then suddenly bambi and his mom appear
i know the joke depends on getting the reference, but the first time i saw it my sides left orbit at just how absolutely mean that joke is

>>152346098
What shorts are you talking about? Donald's at most a mischievous little kid and not genuinely insane. Hell, Donald even does his angry "put up your dukes" thing in his second appearance.

>>152345749
This must have happened in the color cartoons. In all of the black and white Mickey cartoons, he's as much a "trickster" as Porky Pig is.

>>152347044
How is it a rip-off if its made by the same guy?

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>>152345117
>The 3 Pigs, or really anything from Silly Symphonies

I feel funny

>>152334407
>this is what disney assumed Looney Tunes were about
You mean Roger Rabbit?

>>152347221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5xPkjxp8bw 2:35

>>152347629
steamed hams

>>152347800
You mean Bonkers

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>>152344587
Thing is though, Disney's niche was how flexible they were capable of treating animation. They were the only ones in the business (at least in America) that respected animation as more than just an extension of Vaudeville. What they lacked in sheer comedy, they more than made up for in spades with pathos. You can feel moved by a talking puppet or a have a musical showcase of Satan's power. People have legitimately cried over a cartoon deer losing his mother. Heck, you can even have Mickey himself cry and it wouldn't feel like a tonal betrayal or cause mood whiplash. Because that is what the "illusion of life" is for.

Sure, Warner and Fleisher had better comedies, but the moment they strayed past that they fumbled about miserably. It's why the Disney element is such a crucial factor in Roger Rabbit, they help bring the animation side of the movie JUST down to earth enough to tell a compelling story with it. Every attempt at a spiritual successor Warner made with the Looney Tunes (Space Jam, Back in Action) just ends up being nonsense screwball comedies because even Warner knows anything they're involved in immediately turns into a farce.

>>152348988
Holy shit. Is this the first real Disney crossover?

>>152347407
>In all of the black and white Mickey cartoons, he's as much a "trickster" as Porky Pig is.
In Steamboat Willie he is very tricky asshole

>>152350855
I want to believe this but Disney doesn't want to release old shorts on cable, make Kingdom Hearts, or are ashamed of animation because it doesn't make money. Disney has contempt for their fans and cannot understand why people like cartoons. Mickey isn't even allowed to do anything in Chain of Memories, II, III, and BBS even though Ansem plot hinges on using Disney Magic.

>>152334690
Donald is cool

>>152344018
I don't hate it.

>>152351071
Are we really trying to compare "Ducked out of the way when Pete tried to kick him, then swung an unrelated cat around by the tail during the obligatory musical number" to "Ties shotgun barrel into a knot, kisses Elmer after it explodes in his face, and then does a swan dive into his rabbit hole"?

>>152351218
The fact that Kingdom Hearts exists at all is proof of the point, though. You can have these cartoon characters existing coexisting with moody melodramatic anime nonsense, and while it does feel weird and a bit off putting to most people, it doesn't completely shatter the immersion. That's a feat almost no other Disney contemporary could pull off.

>>152345117
Right, WB built upon Disney's technique and made something consistently fun and funny. Most of Disney is "well, it looks nice".

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>>152351218
This. Artistic Disney died sometime during the Renaissance. It's why Don Bluth's stuff is as treasured as it is; he kept that emotional flame alive. Disney was literally scared of playing Mickey cartoons on THE DISNEY CHANNEL for years because they were afraid it would somehow dilute the brand.

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>>152350855
>It's why the Disney element is such a crucial factor in Roger Rabbit, they help bring the animation side of the movie JUST down to earth enough to tell a compelling story with it.

Fun fact!

The last scene animated for Who Framed Roger Rabbit was this one, where after Eddie shows him the pattycake pictures, Roger retreats to an alley and remembers happier times with Jessica, praying the betrayal isn't true.

The movie was great, but Roger just wasn't working. He was an obnoxious clown that ran through each scene like a wrecking ball. They realized he NEEDED a moment of pathos. A moment to show he was a thinking, feeling, living being capable of reacting meaningfully to events around him. And it worked.

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>>152351734
Pixar picked up the slack when it came to pathos there. Regardless of your thoughts on the rest of the movie, the scene in Luca where Luca confronts Alberto about the latter's father is a really emotional scene. How could it not, when it's a kid who was deluding himself finally realizing his parent isn't coming back, and he was abandoned? Asking himself, what did I do wrong? Why didn't he want me?

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>>152351916
Richard Williams and Frank Thomas thought that scene suffered because it was given to a cartoony animator rather than one of Williams' own, more subdued, animators. So to them it came out no more authentic than the rest.

>>152352115
Huh, that's sad. But Williams was always a notorious perfectionist. I still think the scene served its purpose well.

>>152350855
That's overstating it a bit. WB didn't bother with animated theatrical films until the 60s (arguably the 80s, because Mr. Limpet was kind of a one-off) and didn't really start MAKING animated movies until the 90s; which they still often poorly
marketed. Hell, I think even the boys at Termite Terrace joked that they were able to do what they did because Jack Warner literally had no idea he owned Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies, so they never had studio censors breathing down their necks for a long time.

>>152351218
>make Kingdom Hearts, or are ashamed of animation because it doesn't make money
Atleast Disney pushed hard on promoting Kingdom Hearts 2 on Disney channel back in the day tho

>>152352115
Honestly, I feel like it would have been a bit too jarring seeing Roger suddenly being animated by Williams in that scene. Suddenly he'd be really fluid (and not in the silly putty way) and too real. Like when a character is suddenly obviously rotoscoped out of nowhere. That being said, I don't doubt it would have been a keynote scene if he had.

>>152352159
That's because Pirates of the Caribbean was in it and they were treating KH2 as part of the promotion for it.

>>152343727
Yes

>>152345117
In defense of the people who didn't watch disney shorts, Disney paywalled those old shorts hard. People watched the Loonie Tunes because they were shown to people in TV. With Disney their short were much more rare.

>>152352146
The animators are lying as WB was kept running by tard wrangling. Once Schlesinger left, they had another tard wrangler till the 50s. The 60s shows what happens when nobody wrangles to them, Cool Cat, Merlin Mouse, Daffy-Speedy. 70s is when they devoured Bob Clampett. Walter Lantz was the only guy who can act human aside from Walt. >>152352314
Walt would like Peg Pete and Aqua

>>152352696
Executives were kept out of WB, it wasn't until 1964 when they took control.

Plus Bob Clampett retired in the 1960s after his Beany and Cecil TV show ended.

>>152352696
If you're referring to Selzer, they pretty much defied him at every turn and started getting Oscars IN SPITE of his "tard wrangling".

>>152352778
WB Animation was dead by 64. It was DePatie-Freleng that made all the dogshit 60s shorts. The execs were only in control because they were basically licensing out the characters and had stupid ideas.

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>>152334586
when did porky do blackface?

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>>152345402
>>152346998
>>152347044
>>152347418
Sorry wanted to say that Walt based Mickey on Charlie Chaplin and others that were based on others that were in turn based on Chaplin, reference and ripoff incest

>>152353012
Last WB short proper was in 1964 (Señorella and the Glass Huarache).

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>>152353103
>Mickey short about doing a performance of Uncle Tom
>Mickey (and already mostly black skinned character) still has to put on blackface

>>152353103
Warner used racial humor like 20x more than Disney though

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>>152353150
MGM was way more dedicated to it. Practically every explosion was followed by a blackface gag.

>>152353150
Mickey had literally said the n word in official comics before

>>152353190
Post it.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porky's_Railroad
>When a woodpile is knocked over there is a brief view of a caricatured black man, a derogatory visual reference from the cartoonists to the then commonly used term "a nigger in the woodpile".

Damn.

>>152352696
60s were pure executive mandates to fill quotas for TV syndication. That's why Bugs disappeared, they decided they had done more then enough to fill out the syndication package and they started pairing Daffy and Speedy together to pad out their respective libraries.

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>>152353259
>British politicians were still using the phase as recently as this decade

>>152353453
ass

titties

ass and titties

>>152353453
Well you have to remember we used to have Black and White Minstle shows on TV in the 1970's.

Didn't they just remember Humphrey?

>>152334586
OG Daffy and Donald are nothing alike, Daffy was depicted as an actual duck.

>>152354114
Oh yeah. The Curry and Chips show?

>>152354171
No, it was literally called The Black and White Minstrel Show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJk7QrjEDtY

>>152351505
>. You can have these cartoon characters existing coexisting with moody melodramatic anime nonsense, and while it does feel weird and a bit off putting to most people, it doesn't completely shatter the immersion.
And then Disney butted in for KH3, Corona and especially Arendelle are probably the worst of the Disney worlds from a story stand point because the main trio get ripped from messing with plot of the movie till it's time for boss fights. Legit, instead of having a wonderful moment of the main trio taking part in Let it Go with Elsa, she just does the whole scene with the trio just standing there gawking. The devs had to make a completely original dungeon for the world to continue keeping the trio out of Frozen's plot, it was stupid.

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>>152354189
HOLY FUCK.
I do love that the intro music can double as the music of someone doing a "Are you fucking seeing this shit?!" reaction to seeing the show.

Fishing season is over...

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>>152354316
Fisting season on the other hand...

>>152347629
Are butts funny because farts and poop come from them or are farts and poop funny because they come from butts?

>>152354370
This is one of those unanswerable philosophical questions meant to bring about enlightenment.

>>152354189
>70s what the fucITS FROM THE UK
>oh
>
>Didn't they had blacks over there too?

>>152352115
The shot when he is crying after Valiant tells his story about why he hates toons because of his brothers assassination also felt mocking and cartoony.

>>152354543
Yes, due to owning a fuck ton of land full with black people that immigrated to The UK once they let the land have their inderpenance.

France of the other hand wouldn't let go of their land, hence why Nam happened.

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>>152354543
Yeah but like black dutches with Zwarte Piet...white euros didn't care because the black euros weren't enough popular or powerful to make something that would have changed the situation and the same white euros simply kept it as shitty modern cultural thing of blacks.
Like I know blacks that complained about Golliwog and Tintin and Asterix with their racist Mr Popo faces and portrayal of subsaharan africans as apes but no one of these black groups was enough organized to change some minds like that beyond some protests, it gradually started to fade there when everyone realized the Mr Popo faces are unappealing and blacks don't look like that.
T. Europoor that saw it happening and the meme that they were more tollerating than usa people was a meme and they used to treat everyone like gypsies

>>152355092
What are they thinking about, lads?

>>152355110
>How much golli would a Golliwog wog if a Golliwog could wog golli?

>>152355092
>>152355032
>Looking at the state of the UK right now

Jesus you britbongs really been backwards as fuck

>>152354227
Yeah, not saying that Disney themselves have handled Kingdom Hearts clumsily, especially in recent times. Only that the success of it proves the animators of the original cartoons knew what they were talking about.

>>152340317
>>152344121
classics

>>152354842
I always felt that was kind of the point though. Roger does feel for Eddie in that moment, but he's genuinely struggling to make it feel sincere because of his very nature. It's only when he's truly alone as you see >>152351916 that he can stop performing and let his true inner frustrations out.

>>152353177
>DSL

>>152355424
British punks wanted to kill white and black for being in the UK

>>152352146
>and didn't really start MAKING animated movies until the 90s; which they still often poorly
>marketed.
Tbf by that time most of Warners staff was just ex-Disney animators, who were mostly tranferring that "illusion of life" philosophy to WB.

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>>152350855
>Thing is though, Disney's niche was how flexible they were capable of treating animation. They were the only ones in the business (at least in America) that respected animation as more than just an extension of Vaudeville. What they lacked in sheer comedy, they more than made up for in spades with pathos. You can feel moved by a talking puppet or a have a musical showcase of Satan's power. People have legitimately cried over a cartoon deer losing his mother. Heck, you can even have Mickey himself cry and it wouldn't feel like a tonal betrayal or cause mood whiplash. Because that is what the "illusion of life" is for.

>>152358989
>Tbf by that time most of Warners staff was just ex-Disney animators, who were mostly transferring that "illusion of life" philosophy to WB.

And WB rarely did it good, if at all, i mean, remember that weird fake out ending of Space Jam 2 with Bugs ''dying''?, it really was one of ''those'' things when they shouldn't bother either way, specially not with the looney tunes.

>>152359385
It's amazing to me that The Day The Earth Blew Up managed better pathos somehow than the much more expensive Space Jam 2.

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>>152359403
You gotta be trolling right? i still have PTSD by the overall uglyness of it, and

>Daffy twerking...........
>..........................
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>152359672
Cringe

>>152359672
Funny

>>152351382
Yes, animal abuse is like human abuse

>>152354189
Jesus.

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>>152353194

>>152360936
Funnily enough this is also from the UK.

>>152344121
>PARTY HARD

>>152355110
>They're using Golli's name as a whatnow?

>>152348988
Did you knew the short was being edited on both Academic Aspect Ratio and Widescreen because many theathers still didnt had the latter setups, and the former wasnt completly Pan & Scan but some fades got redone?

https://streamable.com/yhese0

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>>152354316
Ah, what a shame.

>>152352314
Also Chicken Little, and Lilo and Stitch was having it's Japanese dub released the same year as KH2. In some areas KH2 arguably feels more like a glorified billboard in than even 3.

>>152361034
Somehow I'm not surprised.

>>152361105
Hot damn, that looks incredible. Shame it's not in English, but this is still nice to look at.

>>152342296
>>152342363
FIRST YOU STICK THE RAG PUT IT IN THE BAG BUMP BUMP
THEN YOU BEND YOUR BACK PUT IT IN THE SACK BUMP BUMP
THAT'S THE WAY IT'S DONE IT'S A LOT OF FUN BUMP BUMP
CUTTIN CAPERS PUTTING PAPERS IN THE BAG

>>152360936
Disney will say this was Steamboat Willie and thank Walt they don't own him anymore

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>>152354227
That was 100% on Nomura/Square. They got an early screening of Frozen and decided then and there it would be in KH3, months before it took off in popularity. Let It Go being recreated in its entirety was them attempting to flex their animation prowess. Square is hyper obsessive over specific Disney properties. If it was Disney pushing this, Big Hero 6 would have been a movie retread as well. Pixar even forbade them from using their movie plots, which is why those their worlds have original stories (they also forbade any combat towards their characters which is why we don't get to beat up Randall).
Here's a fun fact that further aids in Disney's leniency: They were 100% on board with Sora being in Smash Bros. It was Normua himself who almost prevented it from happening due to his autistic fixation on being perfectly accurate and faithful to the Kingdom Hearts canon. Nomura literally admitted to all of this in an interview.

Disney can be unnecessarily strict at points but they're not the ones fucking up KH. They're just an easy scapegoat because they're the big name attached to the project.

>>152354370
Donkeys are funny and they're ass, so butts are funny

>>152353177
Yeah, that's sort of why I don't really miss those jokes. Ignoring the racism shit, it's just really repetitive and boring. They don't even bother getting creative with the blackface, it's the exact same setup and punchline every single time.

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>>152359385
>mentioning Space Jam 2
>they're talking about stuff like Iron Giant and Cats Don't Dance

>>152360936
>not done by Floyd Gottfredson
You may as well post some DeviantArt trash.

>>152362718
Thanks for the clarification, I assumed it was Disney because of how they've basically kept Mickey from dam near doing anything until those shorts from 2013 (and eve then, they don't seem keen on making anything with the mouse at the moment).

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>>152334407

>>152364911
What am I looking?

>>152334586
>Minnie is in 69 (haha) of the original shorts but all her major appearances were during the 20s and 30s, in the 40s and 50s she barely showed up at all outside of silent cameos and small roles, even so she only ever got supporting roles during the 20s and 30s, never a starring role as in a short of her own...yet her fucking pet cat got a series of shorts during the 40s instead
>Clarabelle Cow only got 37 shorts during the 20s and 30s, mostly cameos, one a color remake, she was removed from the shorts after 1942
>Daisy is only in 11 shorts during the 40s and 50s (The animation was pretty bad compared to the earliest shorts by this point since all the budget went to the movies), most of them are silent cameos and she only speaks in 6 shorts
It is crazy how later merch tricked people into thinking Disney gave a shit about it's female characters in the past

>>152364922
A MS Paint collage, I guess

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>>152360936
Was this official or is it another "Air Pirates" situation? If it's official than goddamn, the art looks like shit.

>>152364940
Still going to buy 1930s Minnie toys, it gives good model of being mute enslaved wives at home

>>152365073
Does he mean it as "why won't anybody fuck with me?"

>>152362522
>dee-doot-doot-da-doot
>put-it-in-da-doot

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>>152365073
Probably unofficial. Disney is not mentioned anywhere in that annual.

>>152364940
Minnie is very prominent in the 20's and 30's stuff. The reason she appeared less in animation during the 40's is because, well, Mickey stopped appearing so much during the 40's. After Fantasia, Mickey became much more rarely used (which is a practice that never really went away). If the implication is that Disney is secretly sexist because they aren't more female driven, I think that's just ridiculous. Disney used female characters more than any other studio, besides Fleischer. And the concept of character not appearing in billions of shorts is not extremely crazy. If you look at Warner Bros, characters like Pepe and Taz were only in a handful of things.

>>152364911
>>152364922
CreepyBottsa

>>152334866
Premiering at the same time as Animaniacs really made it look so much worse too.

>>152365073
It’s the 1930 Mickey Mouse Annual. That early 30s line of comics is probably the most intentionally buried content in the company’s entire history for very obvious reasons
>>152366885
I think it was just forgotten. Annuals beyond the 1930 one have the Disney permission notice, which they also have the stereotypes and a few n words

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>>152367204
I found one of them with pages falling out in a box of reject books, can confirm.

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>>152353177
This short was as good as any Looney Tunes short was

>>152367465
Has anyone bothered to actually put together a collection of MGM's non-Tom & Jerry shorts?

Cartoon Network used to hold them in nearly the same regard as the Looney Tunes stuff, but not even HBO Max when it was actually decent had any of them.

>>152362718
Why? Walt would love Aqua. He'd just oppose to giving her booty shorts and ask to make her ass and tits bigger, or more like Tinkerbell

>>152360936
I am Black and not offended. Mickey is respectable. He just need civil war reenactments. It's pugilistic, but Mickey is a scamp. It's just not as obnoxious as old Looney Tunes shorts

>>152367799
>>152367785
What the hell was up with those HORRID looking transfers Disney kept using in the 80s? even Warner had better transfers for the LT stuff from post 1948

>>152367866
Assuming you're not baiting, what do you make of >>152354189?

>>152368169
Damn, never took Donald for a smoker.

>>152368963
With his life it would be weird if he wasn't

>>152368963
It was the 40s, everyone did it

People like to shit on Disney but these WebMs just remind me how *solid* their work used to be.

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>>152368963
His best friend is the biggest smoker on the planet, if would be odd if he did not eventually pick it up

What this is thread?

>>152369110
Well starting the mid 40s if you pay attention to some of their shorts you can spot on reused animation cycles every once in awhile.

>>152369797
Well there was the strike and the war going on.

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>>152350855
> Every attempt at a spiritual successor Warner made with the Looney Tunes (Space Jam, Back in Action) just ends up being nonsense screwball comedies because even Warner knows anything they're involved in immediately turns into a farce.
And pic related will be more of the same.

>>152353177
How did black audiences react to those jokes, did they walk out of the theater angrily? Did they laugh? Did they roll their eyes?

>>152370206
they said aw hell naw and laughed

>>152368963
>"Mickey, I've got cancer," Donald said in his duck voice.

>>152364911
Kino

>>152369786
Seems like a general Disney and WB and whatever obscure name the others are

>>152370206
I'd think they'd bite their tongue and sit back in those nasty old seats and wait for the main feature, because post-war and segregated America still didn't have many options for another picture show house.

>>152369786
>>152371412
Definitely one of the more interesting animation-related threads we've had in a while

>>152366885
>>152367204
>>152367315
How many of them are online?

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>>152363793

>Not even that racist
>find minstrel show black stereotypes annoying and unfunny
>find ching chong chinaman shit hilarious even if I know I shouldn't


Why? Are Asian stereotypes just naturally funnier?

>>152367465
>>152367652
Many of Tex Avery's shorts were restored by the Warner Archive Division and were put onto Blu-Ray. The Harmon-Ising cartoons were restored and air on MeTV but aren't purchasable to my knowledge.

>>152347629
That's not kosher, anon.

>>152373243
There’s just a lot more to them to be honest, because it’s not confined to one very specific cultural group you can do a wider variety of jokes other than ‘Lol watermelon’.

>>152373243
Asian jokes are funny, blackfaces are just shitty

>>152369235
Aw geez

I had this short on VHS that I think my mom had taped off the air, that bit where he shuffles his feet while this little ditty plays has lived rent free in my head for my entire life, I'd totally forgotten it was from this cartoon

>>152370052
This thread reminds me that Brazilians made that shitty Woody Woodpecker movie into a success and said
>It's because it's our version of Looney Tunes!!!
When our actual Looney Tunes keep falling in movies because are both bad and made by idiots

>>152375582
Reminder that Illumination was supposed to do a Woody Woodpecker movie but due to Hop's performance at the box office we got more Despicable Me sequels instead and Woody got shafted until MeTV Toons happened.

>As a reminder Hop was just Lantz Oswald The Lucky Rabbit in everything but name due to Disney owning the name, so Illumination had to rename him but if Hop was successful and if Illumination was allowed to keep that rabbit's name as Oswald because fare use (something that does not apply to Disney because Disney) and that Universal owns the Lantz Oswalds we could've had a Walter Lantz cinematic universe, including movies of Andy Panda, Wally Walrus, Buzz Buzzard, Chilly Willy, Gabby Gator and of course Woody Woodpecker.

>But instead Hop didn't do Despicable Me numbers so the Lantz library got shafted until MeTV Toons happen, making the Lantz characters relevant out of Brazil again.

>>152375814
Where did you get this text?

>>152375826
Cartoon Brew when the film first came out.

>>152375840
Then link it.

>>152374606
Yeah, the variety definitely helps. Like, compare the Siamese jokes in Lady and the Tramp and The Aristocats. Even with a similar setup they're executed differently.

>>152371470
This, pretty much. If you were in a town that only had an MGM theater, you were just fucking stuck. Just show up late or do something else while the cartoon played.

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>>152351505
Walt is a respectable ass man. He would be okay Kairi, Aqua, Larxene, Tifa, and Aerith. I think he'd allow Lulu but his strange shyness would trigger her mommy instincts. Kingdom Hearts flopped because nobody knew what to do with Xehanort, Roxas, Sephiroth. I think Walt would allow Sephiroth. He'd probably dumb down Ansem making him more of a con man plunging the world into darkness for amusement. Walt would make Terra the hero from the start

>>152376719
DUDE! Back then people ONLY went to the theater just to watch the cartoon, they were that good.

Touch grass.

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>>152368211
...did Pete do the whole "using his gun to light his joint" gag before Tom and Jerry?

>>152376751
Let me put this into perspective for you.

>There's only one movie theater in town
>It's owned by a movie studio who's cartoons always have a "cishet white man BAD and should be cucked" moment that everyone non-white pisses themselves laughing at

>>152368963
Anyone remember that episode where Donald violently forces the nephews to smoke like 20 cigars and they almost die?

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>>152376793
It's a Charlie Chaplin gag from the movie "A Film Johnnie" from 1914. Look it up on Youtube. It happens around the 7:55 mark.

As many people have already noted, the basis of most cartoon gags came from Chaplin's films.

>>152376803
People still went to see the cartoon because it was the best thing about it.

>>152334866
I want to live in the timeline where Disney and WB got over their beef and Bonkers was allowed to be the Roger Rabbit Show like it was originally conceived as.

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>>152376793
No, Pete loses, and is a dumb muscle but he's not really humiliated. I like this Pete because he would take Riku out to fight Sora, Hercules and gun them down. Tom is more skilled than Pete, but he loses more

>>152377022
Walt is notorious for breaking WB animators with his strict rules. Animators were drunk college students. He broke Friz Freleng, Chuck Jones, sent them back crushed to Jack Warner. Even McKimson got broke cause his aunt humiliated him in front of Disney.

>>152371470
That is, if you were even allowed in the town:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town

>>152377448
I find it hilarious blue state like California has more restrictions in blacks than the south. The south will leave blacks alone, but Cali has way too much time on their hands

>>152377540
California used to be a reliably Republican state, once upon a time.

>>152334407
I would totally fuck Humphrey up the ass

>>152377286
I think you'll find that Walt Disney had been dead for 23 years when Who Framed Roger Rabbit came out. Bonkers always believed to have originally been a spin-off of that movie, but had to be altered when Amblin and Warner Bros argued with Disney over who owned Roger Rabbit. That was allegedly why it was Warner Bros that Amblin approached with making new cartoons in the 90s as opposed to Disney (who had to rely on reruns of their 80s Disney cartoons in syndication as The Disney Afternoon).

>>152377540
They didn't need to have sundown towns in the South where it was practically legal to kill Blacks just for looking in the wrong direction. Hell, even now, black Southerners will refuse to go to whole chunks of Southern states, regardless of time of day.

Most minorities assumed that the non-slave states had way less racists in them, but completely forgot that the West was won by people who loved wiping out non-whites.

Got to love the duality of this thread.

>>152373243
they always look like theyre having a good time

>>152375814
>we could've had a Walter Lantz cinematic universe, including movies of Andy Panda, Wally Walrus, Buzz Buzzard, Chilly Willy, Gabby Gator and of course Woody Woodpecker.
im gonna be straight with you, champ
nobody gives a fuck about any of those characters except woody and chilly willy

it's like trying to hype a terrytoons cinematic universe when nobody gives a shit about any of those characters outside of mighty mouse

>>152379612
Hey hey hey hey, Heckle and Jeckle and... whatever the cat and goose characters were called were pretty funny.

Warner Bros fags have irreversibly destroyed all serious discussion about classic animation because they have a dogmatic belief that anything that isn't screaming slop or dynamite slop is incorrect, uninteresting, outdated, etc.

>>152379612
No one cared for or knew Iron Man, Black Panther, Guardians, Thor…

>>152380082
Marvel comics were still being written about at least even if people only know Spider-Man and Wolverine. The majority of those listed haven't been touched in many decades.

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>>152379994
Serious animation never took off because it costed 100k per episode to make Superman. Only Tom and Jerry had a higher budget with Disney. That's what Max Fleshier looked like Hitler. WB was the poor fag studio at 3k per episode and locked at a run down building. Terrytoons were cheap, but Paul Terry was business and got a large sum to retire in a country club, and he was punctual

>>152379612
YES THEY DO!!!!! As Brazil will like to have a word with you.

That and MeTV Toons made those characters relevant outside of Brazil again.
>>152380451
$30-80k, and Disney was spending $120-150k per short.

>>152379994
No, they SAVED serious discussion about classic animation, without them they wouldn't be a animation industry world wide.

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>>152379994
>noooo you can't call Disney saccharine and sentimental
>even when Disney's own fans call it that

I use this thread to say one thing:
I hate french, italian, uk, swedish Disney comics about ducks and mice and dogs

>>152379630
>Whatever the cat and goose characters were called were pretty funny.
Gandy Goose and Sourpuss.

>>152380770
>without them they wouldn't be a animation industry world wide.
That would be a better timeline because they ruined everything.
>>152380972
Both are bad funnyslop faceslop, both disney and wb
>>152380451
Learn some english grammar and serious animation was saved by Superman, if only Fleischer won a lawsuits against Disney to finance more Superman we would live in a better world

>>152381823
No, Warner Bros saved the animation industry because when the Hays Code was enforced it almost killed the industry but with Tex Avery's Gold Diggers Of 49 the whole industry was saved and Tex was treated as the god of cartoons.

Cartoons are supposed to be comedies.

Fleischer Superman is excellent yes, but animation was designed to make people laugh, plus there was never a lawsuit.

>>152381794
Yes, I remeber watching this old propaganda short and laughing my ass off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9P1OjsdX4s

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>>152381823
>dynamiteslop screamslop funnyslop faceslop
Boringslop shitpostslop. Consider ropeslop.

Nobody ever said that animation has to be comedies. Are you going to say that The Sinking of the Lusitania or Oskar Fischinger aren't good because they aren't supposed to be funny?

>>152382187
Those were made before the rules were written.

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>>152381885
Superman can be a comedy too. He's whimsical making think Lois know his secret identity.

>>152381885
>No, Warner Bros saved the animation industry because when the Hays Code was enforced it almost killed the industry but with Tex Avery's Gold Diggers Of 49 the whole industry was saved and Tex was treated as the god of cartoons.
If WB and Avery weren't maybe animation would be either better or worse.
And I won't call him a god either if he actually saved cartoons.
>Cartoons are supposed to be comedies.
>Fleischer Superman is excellent yes, but animation was designed to make people laugh,
Childish understanding of cartoons, cartoons being considered only comedies is back when they were mostly done by drunk clowns in the 1920s. Cartoons are supposed to be art in motion as french liked to do and other commercials did.
>plus there was never a lawsuit.
I said there should have been one

>>152382361
Tex Avery got fired from WB because he couldn't be tard wrangled, suffered depression after his son died and quit.

>>152382400
Not the case, Tex got suspended from WB for wanted to make a series of shorts with live action animals with animated lips (which Paramount picked up), the ending to The Heckling Hare was just the tip of the ice berg.

Tex ended up going to MGM and saved that studio from going under, once he left MGM went out of control and the guys who were still there (Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera) got laid off, finding Hanna Barbera (with everyone else that came from MGM) in it's place.

>>152382278
Kino

>>152380972
The sentimentality is the point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Harman
>He began his work with Walt Disney in 1922, working on Disney's early Laugh-O-Gram Cartoons.[2][3] Disney borrowed the Harman-Ising Ink and Paint unit for Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and the studio also outsourced a number of cartoons for the Silly Symphonies series

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Ising
>Ising spent his teenage years working at a photographic studio before joining Walt Disney's Laugh-O-Gram Studio alongside other Kansas City youths.[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Barbera
>In 1929, he became interested in animation after watching a screening of Walt Disney's The Skeleton Dance.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Clampett
>Clampett was, in his words, so "enchanted" by the new medium of sound cartoons that he tried to join Disney as an animator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McKimson
>In mid-1929, Robert was offered a job at Walt Disney Studio as an assistant animator to Dick Lundy, while Tom apprenticed under Norm Ferguson.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Little_Pigs_(film)
>Animator Chuck Jones observed: "That was the first time that anybody ever brought characters to life [in an animated cartoon]. They were three characters who looked alike and acted differently."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare_(film)
>This cartoon is also believed to be one of the inspirations for Bugs Bunny by Warner Bros., who first appeared in 1940.[2]

Disney hater bros?

>>152334407
I always loved the guy who voiced the park ranger, mostly becaus he was the same guy who voiced Smee in Peter Pan. He had a very unique voice that his succesors just can't seem to get right.

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>>152382566
>Not the case, Tex got suspended from WB for wanted to make a series of shorts with live action animals with animated lips (which Paramount picked up), the ending to The Heckling Hare was just the tip of the ice berg.
>Tex ended up going to MGM and saved that studio from going under, once he left MGM went out of control and the guys who were still there (Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera) got laid off, finding Hanna Barbera (with
That's what he said, Tex became so bullshitty he left and made his own thing

>>152383195
Bob Clampett also designed the first Mickey Mouse plushes, Walt sent him off to work for Hugh and Rudy since he didn't have room for him at his own studio.

Meanwhile Chuck Jones was trained by Ub Iwerks and went to Warner Bros once the Buddy incident happened and Ub got replaced with Hugh and Rudy at MGM.
>>152383799
That was Leon that suspended him.

>>152384037
Thars because Walt was poor, got fired, had 40 bucks, and survived on dog food, and made it to LA. He also smoked which somehow got a woman

>>152384174
Walt survived on baked beans, not dog food, he wasn't that poor during that time.

>>152377286
Nigga whats you smokin? the Jopnes part everybody knows, but what about the others? how did Disney broke those other animators? oh, was it becuase Walt wasnt a commie like Jones and the WB guys?

>>152384327
That was just Jones and he wasn't far left, just center/sane left.

>>152380082
.and all Disney did was turned them into pathethic quippathon jokes

>>152384351
Didnt Jones simp for the animator strike who later turned out to be guided by commies?

>>152384411
That was the Disney strike but there was no simping involed.

>>152377561
yeah but back in the age of sundown towns the more racist party was the democrats
lincoln was a republican

>>152383195
i still think it's funny that jones spent most of his career idolizing disney up until he actually went to work at disney's studio
he was a changed man after that

>>152384574
Sounds like a Discipline Issue to me.

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>>152334407
You can now meet him in Disney parks for the first time

OP here, I hate that I have made this thread

>>152384912
Why? This thread is interesting

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>>152380972
Sentimental, sure. But calling Disney's animation output "saccharine" is insane. For most of the golden age Disney was notorious for dark/injecting horror imagery into their movies. You cannot tell me in good faith that Warner or most other studios at the time had to balls to release anything remotely approaching this scene from Lady and the Tramp.

Like, if you're REALLY looking to call something saccharine, Terrytoons was right fucking there. That studio is exactly what you assume Disney is.

>>152385580
Famous (excluding Popeye, their remaining Superman shorts after Max and Dave got fired, Herman and Katnip and Baby Huey of course), not Terrytoons as they had Heckle and Jeckle and Gandy Goose and Sourpuss to keep any forum of brashness.

>>152375582
BR here, sounds like a load of bullshit. The movie wasn't a big deal even here, and our version of Looney Tunes is... Looney Tunes.

>>152379612
I despise the idea of "cinematic universes" in general, but I don't hate the concept of giving these characters their own movies. However, they'd need to be wildly experimental and risky in order to make any of this worth it, and I just can't see that happening in this overly corporate landscape.

>>152334586
Foxy and Roxy

>>152386416
Hey those RHYME!

>>152375814
>we could've had an Oswald movie
>It's just Hop reskinned
Not sure whether we dodged a bullet there or not.

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>>152383245
The floor not matching up with the dancing will never not irk me.

>>152385580
they could not add blood or real injuries because both Walt's fear and being ''the time'' and censors as well.

>>152387323
Based

>>152387323
It's too bad there wasn't a Welsh animation studio.