No hot women snuck in.

>>152340684
Aside from the DCAU, Sym-Bionic Titan is the greatest action cartoon of all time.
(And no one cared about it while it was running, and still no one cares now.)

>>152340700

It had the Booty Quake It scene, so people still remember it.

If you want action cartoons to stay in the public eye, you need Hotties.

>>152340698
>>152340715
Good morning sir

>>152340684
Because violence is too inappropriate for kids. They need to watch Elliott from Earth and The Fungies instead.

>>152340684
Kids don't buy toys anymore.

>>152340684
Because boys are treated like defective girls so catering to them is frowned upon, but mostly >>152340748

>>152340684
Circa 2012, /co/ is a huge part of it by championing worse shows then the action shows
/co/ watched Gravity Falls over Motorcity and Tron.
/co/ watched Steven Universe and Adventure Time over Generator Rex and Ben 10 and Sym Bionic Titan and so on.
/co/ watched Loud House over Korra.
And yes, by then companies decide to no longer make action shows because they underperform, then the shows directly lead to the crying over feelings daycare and TTG era, then animation in television is dead entirely. Congrats.

>>152340684
Masculinity is fucked. Nobody knows what it means to be a powerful man anymore.
That’s why primal succeeded, it took place in the Paleolithic era and not the modern one

Oh and do not forget
>/co/ watched horse show over transformers

>>152340684
Making action cartoon is expensive. These shows all existed to sell toys first and foremost and when kids stopped buying toys they lost their main source of financing.

There was another factor, which was ratings. CN in the early 2010s had some action cartoon like Ben 10, Generator Rex, Thundercats, Symbionic Titan, Young Justice and Beware The Batman and they were all being outperformed by Adventure Time, Regular Show, Gumball and Teen Titans Go! that were all cheaper and could be rerun more easily. In other networks it was worse with Korra being outperformed by SpongeBob *reruns*.

Nowadays all action cartoons you see are just vanity projects or exist to promote larger IPs/franchises. Arcane was basically a very expensive commercial for League of Legends (that they admitted they would never get their money back), Invincible is financed by Kirkman's Walking Dead money and exists to promote Skybound, X-Men '97 exists because Marvel wants to promote X-Men before their live-action movie, Creature Commandos exists to promote the DCU, etc.

>>152340768
>/co/ watched Loud House over Korra.
everyone watched that train wreck korra lol

>>152340684
money and atla

>>152340773

If men are powerful, they shouldn't be afraid of strong women.

Action cartoons tend to lack complex characterization.

>>152340684
toy sales died
/thread

>>152340684

>On my contry:
-The governament pass a law that forbid "propaganda aimed to Kids
-Biggest TV conglomerated stop showing cartoons and start showing LGBT+ degenerancy
-At some point they try put all comics in black cover
-Cable TV die (as they just give up against Netflix)
- Anime is easy to find in internet piracy

>>152340806
ATLA was an action show
>>152340820
Nobody truly fears women and never will
>>152340835
Go watch Steven Trannyverse, faggot

>>152340684
Unrelated, but Ben got emasculated way more than I remembered.

>>152340768
>/co/ watched Loud House over Korra.
These shows weren't even airing at the same time.
Korra ended in 2014, TLH started in 2016.

Needed more weird fetish fuel moments, like a villainess being inflated like a balloon. To keep a show from being forgotten, you need the WEIRD.

Normal is just another word for boring.

They don't feel like they can compete with anime.

>>152340684
>Why did action cartoons for boys die?
FIFY
You will watch faggot girly shit and you will rike it

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>>152340913
Not really?
He does not act feminine at all, he is just skinny and does not need muscles since he transforms anyway

>>152340820
It's not fear, but rather a complete disinterest in a lie.
Coming in and pushing that women are strong and competent while men are the opposite, draws about the same level of interest as somebody trying to sell you that the sky is actually green. All it takes is a quick glance up to realize this is bullshit and not worth your time. So it killed the entertainment industry, and retards will blame the fake covid plandenic for it.

>>152341019

Why do you keep insist COVID is fake? Is it less terrifying than admitting our government comprehensively failed to contain a plague, lol?

>>152340768
>>152340748
This but here's food for thought
One thing I noticed is that Western cartoon censors were squeamish around action shows even at the height
And that's a simple reason. Stuff like the DCAU was already here by the time Dragon Ball Z really took off here but Dragon Ball Z was still the one that scared the shit out of parents with how "violent" it was.
There's a simple reason, you can see it in 90s cartoons, a bit less in 2000s cartoons, then way fucking more in CalArts era.
The core thing that always got censored in action cartoons was always the actual impact of a blow, you had the "flash of light" in Batman among other things while by the 2010s, there was rarely a punch in Steven Universe that felt like a punch.
Speaking of, even as the 2010s took from the "graceful dance" fight scenes of anime, they forgot said anime had combat sport and kung fu movie inspiration and can't into the functional side of one. Be it a death match, a western gun fight, or a power level match. Good fight scenes have combat psychology, principles like "the fatal opening" and "the decisive moment".
Avatar, Ben 10, TMNT' 03 et cetera all still had this. Even unconventional fights like in JJBA are sure to include this.
OK KO and Miao Miao had to be the only current era kids shows that remembered this basic principle of fight scenes.

>>152340700
Probably cuz the character designs aren't the greatest. Genndy was still on that "huge wooby eyes" bullshit. He seems to love huge eyes.

>>152340785
>There was another factor, which was ratings. CN in the early 2010s had some action cartoon like Ben 10, Generator Rex, Thundercats, Symbionic Titan, Young Justice and Beware The Batman and they were all being outperformed by Adventure Time, Regular Show, Gumball and Teen Titans Go! that were all cheaper and could be rerun more easily. In other networks it was worse with Korra being outperformed by SpongeBob *reruns*.

Yeah, there is a huge factor nobody wants to admit, which is that by then action cartoons were giant flops for the most part. Also Motorcity and Tron.

>>152340785
Then how come Transformers shows still happen to this day?

>>152340785
Then how come Nick still does TMNT shows to this day? How come DC did that My Adventures with Superman show?

>>152340785
>these shows all existed to sell toys first and foremost
Pretty sure Samurai Jack and Avatar: The Last Airbender weren't made to sell toys first and foremost. Ben 10 was a toy commercial, but Samurai Jack and Avatar were not really toy commercials. I don't even think Avatar had any toys during its first year on air

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We need more action cartoons to turn boys into straight furries!

>>152340684
Streaming robs shows of exposure.
Serialization robs shows of creativity.

>>152341088
>>152341088
>OK KO and Miao Miao had to be the only current era kids shows that remembered this basic principle of fight scenes.
>Okok
This isn't true at all

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>>152340785
>go back in time
>stop greenlighting comedy cartoons after 2012
easy

>>152342550
Anon, if that is your plan you would need to go back in time 100 years to stop Micky mouse, Popeye, Looney tunes, tom and Jerry, felix the cat, etc and force animators to make action or action comedies

>>152341055
Conspiracy will always be more comforting than incompetence.

People want to avoid this, but the reason is because American shows are still beholden by American censorship standards which is poison for action cartoons, especially in a world with like three dozen new action anime shows a year.
When you have an action cartoon that can't show blood or use weapons or show sexy girls or have some adult elements, kids above like age 9 will see it as baby shit.

>>152341810
They were good, fag

>>152340684
Too expensive and can’t be played episodically. Comedy shows with little budget were easier to greenlight. Also lore shows replaced action shows because they were very popular and profitable at the time. Now tv is dead. But the good news is that streaming has been greenlighting a lot of action shows.

>>152342685
>>152340698
Why do some people think having fanservice would make action cartoons more popular? Look, I would love to see sexy cartoon women in something beyond off-model fanarts but sex doesn't sell as much as a plot (or the idea of a plot), cool characters and half decent fights. When people think on Dragon Ball they don't think about Bulma's bare tits. They think about Vegeta, Frieza, Majin Buu and the figths against them. When people remember Naruto they think about Itachi, Madara, Kakashi, etc. Tsunade the titty monster is basically a joke character. What action cartoons need is having a plot and giving people the idea of progress.

>>152343361
>? Look, I would love to see sexy cartoon women in something beyond off-model fanarts
There are.

>>152343382
Where?

>>152343382
Post them.
Note that he said *women* and not animals, or furries, or little girls.

SymBionic Titan was dog fucking shit and I don't understand the shilling it gets. It died for a reason.

>>152343425
Tbh I don't remember sexy furry girls other than this >>152342484
Everything else is off-model art.

>>152340700
>Sym-Bionic Titan is the greatest action cartoon of all time.
No it isn't. It's not even Genndy's best show.

>>152343433
Shut up, onionstroon, you are wrong.

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Anime appealed to pre-teen boys more

>>152342550
They probably going to do that eventually thanks to pic related's dominance

>>152343461
>fell for the on-model/off-model meme

>>152343489
Shut up, you homo

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>>152343497
What meme? I prefer off-model because it improves the original design but it's a fact that there aren't cartoon girls with thick bodies and big tits.

>>152343595
>ut it's a fact that there aren't cartoon girls with thick bodies and big tits.
Absolutely wrong.

Because they spend too much time catering to miserable old bags rather than boys. Can't have much action because a kid gets in a fight at school and Doris blames that cartoon she saw him watching last week. Don't want the complaints, don't want the potential legal action, don't want the expensive fight scenes.
Boys want more violence in their cartoons, their mothers want less (none). Nobody has a louder voice than the shrill, joyless cunt demographic, so here we are.

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>>152340684
Mainly because action cartoons are expensive and by the early 2010s the more comedic and cheaper shows were getting higher ratings and were more easier to show reruns, so action cartoons got killed slowly. Also add on the fact that children don't buy toys as much in the 2010s and 20s compared to the 80s, 90s, and 00s so action cartoons weren't able to rely on toy sales to keep them going either. So unless your action cartoon is to promote a bigger ip like most DC and Marvel cartoons, or Arcane with League of Legends your not going to get funding. So like all things in show business its all about the money.

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>>152340684
kids just play fortnight now

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>>152342430
Adult fans subsidize TF by buying the toys.

>>152343361
I don't think >>152342685 was referring exclusively to fanservice, I think he just means content in general.
You take a typical modern shonen, and in terms of content it's comparable to a modern adult cartoon, which makes it a lot more appealing to a tween or teen.

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>>152344020
Nobody remembers what 80s Thundercats actually looked like most of the time. It had good animation sometimes, but the intro was like a psyop.

>>152340684
desu I don't actually know what's airing these days
Are action cartoons straight-up dead, or is it all just a meme?

>>152340785
I'm honestly surprised it took up until Gumball and Teen Titans Go! for CN to realize that 11-minute comedy shows were overall more profitable than action cartoons. As >>152343489 said, Nickelodeon had already noticed (with Spongebob) those worked much better than any expensive action cartoons.

Well, I guess they tried with stuff like Camp Lazlo and Chowder, but they failed to catch on.

>>152344392
>As >>152343489 said, Nickelodeon had already noticed (with Spongebob) those worked much better than any expensive action cartoons.
I mean, has Nickelodeon had any action cartoons at all besides ATLA and Korra?

>>152340768
nice b8.

>>152344425
Danny phantom?

>>152340684
Time change, we're old.

>>152343589
Is she turning into sentient blood ? Is Ruby a vampire now?

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>>152340684
They went to tiktok

>>152344392
Pretty sure CN already was prioritizing comedy over action in 2010 by mostly airing action stuff once or twice a week and playing shows like Adventure Time, Regular Show, Gumball, Johnny Test, etc. everyday. Hell, before Adventure Time and Regular Show had enough episodes to air everyday, there was a brief time in 2010-early 2011 where they relied on Kids Next Door reruns as a filler and Kids Next Door was a comedy as well.

>>152344425
Danny Phantom, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, My Life as a Teenage Robot, Wolverine & the X-Men, Iron Man Armored Adventures

>>152345564
You could say adventure time and regular show are soft action cartoons

>>152340768
>>152340684
Tumblr basically
Everything is Tumblr's fault

>>152340684
TikTok and YouTube
Unironically

>>152340684
their creators weren't getting or making new shows
>Genndy went off to make Hotel Transylvania for Sony, still made Samurai Jack S5, Primal, Unicorn Warriors
>Derick J. Wyatt's last relevant work was Ben 10 Omniverse and then he died in 2021
>Avatar crew made Korra (and it sucked) and then haven't made an animated project since
>McCracken (who isn't primarily an action guy) only made two major projects after leaving CN in '08
combined with the cheaper, easier-to-animate fixation of beanmouth and anime filling the demand for action cartoons, it's basically dead even though there's no good reason for that to be the case

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>>152340684
Obligatory "muh manga/anime" aside, people really underestimate the impact videogames had on boys' action cartoons. When you're a young teenage boy with too much energy and have the choice between
>sit still and watch cartoon about cool guy who does cool things
or
>play game and BE the cool guy and DO the cool things
the choice is obvious. Action cartoons always played into power fantasies, videogames just do that more hands-on.

>>152340796
Korra failed and no one watched it, that is why they relegated it off the main channel and burned it off at the end

>>152345719
DP and MLAATR weren't action cartoons

>>152346213
It's a vicious cycle. Guys preferring vidya to cartoons might not be innate, and I'd say most boys want both (or wanted). The problem is cartoons fail to satisfy where games do, so they watch cartoons less, so cartoons stop trying to appeal to them.

>>152340785
>>152342194
You got to realize that CN's comedic originals (aside from TTGo) were outperforming them because CN actually promoted them and put them on decent times. They were blatantly playing favorites and ensuring that their stuff would take priority over third-party shows.

For instance, both Adventure Time and Scooby Doo: Mystery Inc. premiered around the same day and the latter had higher ratings than the former. The higher ups got pissed about this and starting fucking over MI with the schedule.

>>152345564
>>152345854
Nah, they were episodic comedies. The thing with Adventure Time is that it stopped being episodic halfway through while Regular Show skewed too old and once Stuart Snyder left in 2014 you could tell the new management at CN resented the show and tried to bury it.

>>152340684
Too narrow target demographic for shareholders.

>>152340684
They lived and died by toy sales.
Kids these days don't play much and instead play with their tablets or phones.

>>152346583
Exactly: Add the fact that barely any man really fights for the revival of action cartoons anymore and you realize how successful videogames have been in completely usurping the action niche. When videogame developers stop catering to the male demographic, the outrage is much higher because men haven't moved on from the medium like they did with action cartoons.

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>>152340768
Wasn't Tron and Motorcity cancelled because they were banished to ungodly airing hours?
And iirc Generator Rex had bad toy sales. If it was the case of people watching AT and SU over it, we wouldn't have gotten Ben 10 Omniverse which lasted 8 season mind you.

>>152346213
If cartoon producers were smart they would have tried to capitalize on that the way anime did by making animated video game tie-ins that aren't made by people who clearly fucking hate the original games, or at least making video games and using the money made from those games to make animated projects (ala Cygames).
Making all these shitty Netflix animated shows that shat all over the original source material did nothing to attract gamers, most of them just see a cartoon adaptation and immediately think "Oh, this is going to be shit made by people who hate video games."
Cartoons had plenty of opportunities to have some crossover with other industries outside of comics and they've fucked them up almost every single time because people who run the companies that produce cartoons in America have nothing but utter contempt for anything they didn't personally have a hand in making, and soulless MBA elites have never made anything of worth, so they hate all media.

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>>152346566
>Danny Phantom and My Life as a Teenage Robot weren't action cartoons
>Danny Phantom is basically a capeshit show for nickelodeon, and it and Teenage Robot had some sort of action in every episode like a fucking action cartoon.

>>152347106
Tbf, the comedy bits and the artstyle didn’t help

>>152347106
By this logic TTG and Regular Show were action cartoons

>>152340684
cuz you didn't watch 'em

>>152347394
MLAATR had fighting and smashing shit at least every other episode. Why are you being intentionally obtuse?

>>152349023
>MLAATR had fighting and smashing shit at least every other episode.
So does TTG but no one would call it an action cartoon

>>152340835
As opposed to what, comedies like Spongebob and Teen Titans Go?

>>152340765
>boys are defective girls
This is the actual truth nobody wants to accept.

Hero Inside is still around

>>152340684
Some of them got too far up their own ass and kinda lost the audience (Ben 10 Alien Forces, Samurai Jack s5? 4?). Nevermind that LORE shows get fucking boring.
But also, as the Billy & Mandy guy said, suits don't want proper villains anymore because even the villains are supposed to be "relatable" for kids or some shit like that. That kinda cripples the whole process.
That said, the second Max Steel show is a bit more recent and still had proper villains. Wasn't perfect, kinda ripped off Ben 10 and the designs weren't all that great, but hey, it exists.

>>152347394
Anon’s right, DP and MLAATR are straight up foe of the day capeshit for kids. The difference is aesthetic.

>>152349584
Ben 10 alien force was setting CN records at the time the fuck you talking about? The live action movie broke every ratings metric it hate beating out the Clone wars. It was more popular ratings wise that the original eries.

>>152349387
Stfu

>>152349887
Okay then the most spammed show in cartoon network's history is an action cartoon and this thread is pointless

They're watching Demon Slayer instead.

>>152350643
A real shame because Demon Slayer is boring as fuck. The animation is good tho.

>>152344071
Is this bait?

>>152346213
Jesus Christ it took this long for someone to actually point out the real cause.

Vidya was obviosly the cause I really don't see how no one else mentioned it until this anon.

At some point the Californian animation friend circle decided all kids just need mundane gender neutral cartoons for entertainment. Boys decided they would just take their business elsewhere and discovered anime/Crunchyroll.
Now there's no real way to win them back with the current standards and quality in western animation aimed at kids, outside of bug expensive movies.

>>152344337
Literally dead.

>>152342430
>>152342437
Because Gen X and early millennials consoom the fuck out of the merch of those franchises

>>152343497
>Meme
It's just a factual occurrence, do you just want everyone to ignore it?

>>152350433
>The live action movie broke every ratings metric
I mean, it IS one exceptionally good live action take on a cartoon, I don't get how most movies with huge budgets manage to fuck up so badly in comparison.

>>152351365
I think he's memeing

>>152340684
Too many women involved in the creative process these days. Can't happen as long feminist harpies control media

>>152350433
Bear in mind they gave away a custom Challenger via a phone number that would only air during the premiere and ran the shit out of the sweepstakes promo when you look at those ratings, no shade to the movie.

>>152340684
>Why did action cartoons for kids die?
Female writers. Female executives.

There's no other reason. This thread is full of retards.

>>152352027
Nope, you are delusional.

>>152352036
Retard.

>>152352036
Nta but it's definitely because of women

>>152352027
There were plenty of male simps heavily responsible for this shift as well, they should not escape blame.

>>152346761
>companies that produce cartoons in America have nothing but utter contempt for anything they didn't personally have a hand in making
This is based though. Japan should do the same.

>>152351299
>>152346213
Video games have been around for decades and action cartoons didn't start dying out until the early 2010s.
Not to mention the obvious elephant in the room that the rise of video games has had no such effect on action anime, as tons of it is still pumped out on a yearly basis.

>>152349413

it's forgotten

>>152340684
Japan liscenced a bunch of action anime really cheap to the US around the time of Pokémon, making it less financially promising to fund american action cartoons. Ceos had a why bother kind of attitude.

Parent groups also complained, saying action cartoons were unsafe for kids.

And nicktoons orginally started without action cartoons. Disney afternoon also phased them out right around the gun control episode of gargoyles.

There was also a push to bring in more female viewers and for whatever reason, ceos think that means more talking and less animation. This ignores that most diehard nerdy women love action characters and usually pick them for cosplay.

>>152340785
>Making action cartoon is expensive. These shows all existed to sell toys first and foremost and when kids stopped buying toys they lost their main source of financing

Kids want and buy toys. The bigger issue is that inflation makes money not go as far and also encourages parents to attempt to replace toys by giving their old iphones and touch bads to their kids as some sort of trick to get out of buying their kid toys.

So it isnt that kids dont want oe buy toys. The problem is adults.

>>152352247
But anime is for a Japanese audience, the West only gets the most popualr or the cheapest.

>>152352385
Huh?
Have you been living under a rock? Basically everything gets brought over these days except forever-running properties and short-form side stuff.

>>152344392
>Well, I guess they tried with stuff like Camp Lazlo and Chowder, but they failed to catch on.

Anon, nick has known this since day 1 of nick toons. That whole orginal block was suppose to be comedy for kids. Snick was entirely stuff cheap to make. Comedy cartoons depend mostly on dialog and almost static shots with mouths and eye movement. Maybe some exaggerated reactions that are still cheaper to animate than a fist fight. The live action shows either used like 1 set or was dirt cheap like the kid horror are you afraid of the dark. Pete and Pete depended on cheap actors and relatively C and B grade actors that were doing it for artistic reasons.

Nick historically liscenced moat of their action cartoons with Avatar, Invader Zim and teenage robot being exceptions

>>152346213
>When you're a young teenage boy with too much energy and have the choice between
>>sit still and watch cartoon about cool guy who does cool things
>or
>>play game and BE the cool guy and DO the cool things
>the choice is obvious. Action cartoons always played into power fantasies, videogames just do that more hands-on

There were action games for like 20, 30 years before the west gave up on action cartoons

>>152340684
Okay, how the fuck was Animaniacs expensive to produce if that was a comedy cartoon? Usually comedies are cheaper to make than action shows, but Animaniacs was about as expensive to make as action shows were.

>>152352048
You are
>>152352084
Not just that, fag

>>152352173
Kys, faggot cuck.

>>152346761
Letting creatives that hate the source material and either mock it or covertly change the show into their personal fanfixtion, only reusing names because theh are contractorly forced to isnt a peoblem specific to action cartoons. It plagues just about every property older than 20 years. Dorks out of savannah georgia imagine themselves to be the next Walt Disney or John K and dont want to make shows for other people's ideas

>>152340972
Bro

>>152352667
>Not just that, fag
No they are definitely the source. Cut out all the dumb bitches that try to push feminism and diversity and the industry would heal over night

>>152352631
>Okay, how the fuck was Animaniacs expensive to produce if that was a comedy cartoon? Usually comedies are cheaper to make than action shows, but Animaniacs was about as expensive to make as action shows were.

Too many irons in the fire. All those writers got paid. Steven Spielberg probably got a check for having his name on it. Think the backgrounds were still done in the US too

>>152342430
>>152342437
>Transformers
>TMNT
If you cut out everyone born before 1990, those two franchises would literally fucking die overnight.

>>152352714
Sure thing.

>>152353456
Glad you agree

>>152352247
>Video games have been around for decades
and up until very recently they looked like shit

>>152352708
>Letting creatives that hate the source material and either mock it or covertly change the show into their personal fanfixtion, only reusing names because theh are contractorly forced to isnt a peoblem specific to action cartoons.
Geez anon, you might want to adjust your keyboard.

But yea, that's true, I don't disagree, I was more talking about the aspect of having a crossover with video games or other industries, it's a lot harder for cartoons because there historically hasn't been as much crossover and because a lot of the people working in cartoon types are Hollywood types who give no fucks about anything they didn't have a hand in making, because they're narcissists.

>>152353608
>What is sarcasm?

>>152353634
>shilling lies

>>152353634
Video games have had serviceable visuals that could emulate the look and feel of cartoons since the early 90s.
I know this is hard to understand for a zoomer such as yourself, but pixel art has been more than enough for that for decades, and pixel art has been capable of looking great since arcades in the fucking 80s with games like Outrun.

>>152353657
You genuinely agree though

>>152353914
Nope

>>152340684
Kids don't buy toys anymore and the mass arrival of shonen.

>>152353930
Okay be wrong

>>152347106
Danny phantom had that shitty bait and switch Butch Hartman humor so it applies to MCU shit.

>>152354494
Also neither of those shows action is good. There's single filler episodes of anime that have more impressive action than either of those shows in their entirety

>>152354515
>Also neither of those shows action is good.
No

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>>152344337
There's still some stuff like Primal.
But the action cartoons you find on major networks nowadays are very, I'm not sure how to put it, soft I guess.
Like they don't actually want to make cool characters and they're going out of their way to make the characters as uncool as they can get way with.
Look at the latest Transformers cartoon, did they genuinely think they could sell toys with designs like these?

>>152340684
because they can't compete with anime. Japs were already showing blood in anime for children when He-man wasn't allowed to use his sword to slash and stab.

>>152340684
it required skilled labour and actually marketing it to people
we hate that now

>>152342578
>force animators to make action or action comedies
What do you think Popeye is?

>>152354616
They genuinely do not have good action

>>152340684
they're expensive to make
kids don't buy toys anymore
anime is cheaper to import

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>>152351280
I'm pretty sure that the Centurions counts as an action cartoon.

>>152340684
Action cartoons kind of sucked, anon. They are all about fighting but they can't actually show fighting because that would make parents uneasy. They have no idea how to sell action, only toys, so once the toy market dried up the shows no longer had a reason to exist.
There is no passion or pride in action cartoons. What modern action focused cartoons we do manage to get are infested with cynicism, and a certain baseline level of disrespect for the source material where they can never afford to let you forget that you're too old to be enjoying this stuff anymore but we'll look past that wink wink nudge nudge.

Meanwhile, anime with no budget can sell action just fine. No flashy energy blasts or particular effects or dizzying camera flips needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBAvbMkK0f8

Tojima wants to be a Kamen Rider is a stupid show. Its plot is dumb and its often more comedy than it is action. But you know what I can tell you for certain? The people who made this show *love Kamen Rider*, and thats more than I can say for any western action cartoon trying to adapt any source material.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TTPYIRUffA

>>152354678
I mean. Isn't that the show with pronouns?

>>152343361
>Look, I would love to see sexy cartoon women in something beyond off-model fanarts
Google "Filmation".

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>>152340684
Instead of watching cartoons, boys are playing more video games, especially mobile games. Also, the industry has been invaded by women, so even the theatrical stuff is for girls now.

>>152355195
ATLA and Samurai Jack disagree.

>>152352357
Get Duked was right about the older generation fecking things up for the new.

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>>152340684
Probably my most guilty pleasure action cartoon series from my area of time as a kid that has sadly never went into popularity.

ronniemejia2009@outlook.com
>>152354616
Post a good MLAATR fight

>>152340684
Part of it is kids not buying toys but im sure theres way more reasons. But they relied a lot on the toy sales for revenue.

Because kids these days don't like them

>>152354678
Yea, a lot of these shows seem to be more like "action shows you want your kids to watch" in the mind of adults, which automatically makes them extremely fucking lame for any actual kids.
No 10 year old wants a show that's made with their annoying mom's tastes in mind.

Kids are too busy on their TikTok. They also refuse to socialize.
Same applies to /co/. We should kick out all gen-alphas including the bad side of gen-Z who kept sucking trannycock. /co/mblr has always been known for its leftist opinions compared to the other boards.

If /co/ was /co/ and not a bunch of trannies then everyone would be doing vid related.
but trannies don't like cartoons or anything really, all they like is gay sex, to hate on women and to complain about the world while being a tranny. And the other portion are browns who don't buy toys and can't finance cartoons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzUckHYc2No

>>152355396
Uh... anon? Why the email address?

I feel like the problem is that execs cannot stomach anything that isn't a trend chaser.
Plus action cartoons are expensive

>>152355473
I was sending my CV and shitposting at the same time. Big mistake.

>>152340684
>kids are (were?) buying fewer toys (now it's more about "merch" rather than toys, but I guess that includes a few toys too)
>rise in "grrrl power" for the sake of "grrrl power", meaning shows might have a female lead with nothing going on for her and turns off viewers unless she's hot (she often isn't)
>action figures in general are falling apart due to kids playing "real" games on their phones and not needing to have to play pretend; action figures are the main reason a lot of action shows exist, so without them, there's not much draw to make them
>"toxic masculinity" being something most people on the left (aka, most writers in The Industry) avoid like it's made of feces and uranium, leading to cancellation of various shows, or the softening of reboots
>children's media dying in general as more people move to Youtube and TikTok
>knockoffs are eating up what's left of the action figure / toy sales
>violence is banned a lot of the time, even cartoony slapstick isn't completely safe
>fighting in general, even cartoonier, blood-free stuff, is banned a lot of the time because it can be imitated

>>152340820
Most "strong women" are crammed into that position artificially, and kept there too, IRL.
In the case of fictional media, the strong woman character will often be an insufferable cunt too, as she outperforms all the men who then run off crying (or they die / get captured / etc.)
Plus it's not like strong men can do anything about strong women, any well-raised man knows not to hurt a woman in any way, whether they deserve it or not, whereas most "strong women" will just go ahead and chuck the men under any bus they can whenever possible.
I mean obviously not everyone's like this, but it's common enough to be an issue.

>>152355684 (me)
Forgot:
>anime is roflstomping action cartoons, absolutely mogging them, dabbing on them, making them super irrelevant

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>>152354780
>quality of fights is what makes an action cartoon
Doesn't make sense if you look at the history of action cartoons.

>>152355684
Toys are a waste of money

>>152355875
And now they ARE history so yet, it does matter.

>>152355702
This is why you have to make an action cartoon that makes anime look horrible by having actual choreography

>>152356006
At one point before you were born, toys were a way to see cool characters "doing" things, fighting monsters, saving cities, whatever.
Nowadays, if you want to see shit fight, you download the tie-in game on your phone, or have your parents buy the $70 shovelware of it and play it yourself.

>>152356097
I was born at a time when toys were that, m8.
I just stopped caring

>>152349387
You will never be a real woman.

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>>152355875
Super Friends wasn't an action cartoon
>b-but it had fights
No one calls Marvel Superhero Squad and Teen Titans GO action cartoons just because they had fights

>>152355684
I feel like there's a midpoint between toxic masculinity and crying about your feefees.
The concept of "Being a real man" is a corrosive one because it creates stunted, hollow human beings. The same goes for daycare bullshit that cannot discuss real issues in a mature way.
What we need is something in between that manages to discuss issues in a mature, thoughtful, and understandable way that speaks to the actual human experience

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>>152356169
You like being disingenuous huh? Next you'll say all those toy cartoons from the 80s aren't action either.

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>>152356196
If that is the case, what is the point of this thread? We have this super successful action cartoon with over 400 episodes and two movies

>>152356260
There's barely any fighting in TTG compared to Danny Phantom so this comparison makes no sense.

>>152356272
They are more and better fights in TTG

>>152346662
Omniverse was on air for <24 months, they burned off the last 30 episodes over a few weeks.

>>152356272
I only remember two figths from Danny phantom: Dark Danny and Pariah Dark. Everything else was retarded joke monster of the week.

>>152356193
The issue is "toxic masculinity" should and does mean shit like beating/raping women, drinking too much beer, punching holes in walls, cussing everywhere, getting into fights, shooting huge guns in places not meant for that, etc.
...but instead the media just labels masculinity itself as toxic.
Lifting weights? Toxic.
Wanting to be straight? Toxic.
Owning any gun? Toxic.
Standing your ground and shooting a home invader? Toxic.

>>152351325
>Now there's no real way to win them back with the current standards and quality in western animation aimed at kids
I mean there is, but that would require the people who brought us to this point to admit they were wrong.

>>152340684
Because the industry got hijacked by a group of misandryst feminist who deeply hate young boys, the main audience of those action shows.

>>152356429
I feel like the true toxic masculinity is about trying to put on a display that you’re strong

>>152356628
so you're saying that being confident is wrong and that real men ought to be bashful? Shit advice

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Anons have all provided valid reasons like vidya and the internet and falling toy sales or just the fact that there's not as many kids anymore but I think another core distinction is that showrunners from that era wrote cartoons KIDS would like to watch while showrunners from Korra (And Korra was the cutoff point) onward write cartoons THEY would like to watch.
And they don't get punished for it cause they're nepo babies and the whole cartoon was a tax writeoff anyway so who gives a shit if kids would rather be on they phone instead of watching le accurate panic attack for the millionth time.

>>152356649
There’s a massive difference between confidence and an utter lack of emotions or ability to connect with other people, which is what I’m talking about.
Stuff like American Psycho is an example of true toxic masculinity because it depicts a man who refuses to connect with others

>>152356659
I disagree. I feel like children need to be inched away from anime and cheap flashy stuff so they can accept something better.
Force them to watch Garouden over Demon Slayer, thus forcing them to watch slower paced and more well choreographed fights.
Ban the Spider Verse movies and brainrot content

>>152351325
I feel like anime is the problem.
Instead of actually good stuff they watch garbage like JJK and Demon Slayer, which must be removed.

>>152356743
If you want them to watch the good stuff you need to provide it. You can't expect a kid to go from watching something like JJK to watching Transformers Prime or TMNT or some other very kiddy show.
Kids watch that stuff because other kids at school tell them about them, usually because it has stuff that their parents wouldn't want them seeing, so kids watch it because it's the "cool stuff" that other kids tell them about that their parents wouldn't want them to see.

>>152356732
>Ban the Spider Verse movies and brainrot content
Anon that pandora's box has been opened and there's no turning back now.
I have no doubt corpos would've replaced cartoons with flashing images back in the day if they could get away with it but they still had to face some accountability. There was the FCC and angry soccer moms to answer to. Now that there's no way to regulate online content it's optimized without ethical constraints and you can't roll that back with anything short of a total internet blackout.

>>152356789
Then prove to them them JJK isn’t cool and make them watch something legitimately cooler

>>152356829
Kids love flashy, over-the-top shit, which JJK has down to a T, so good luck with that.

>>152356854
Show them something cooler.

>>152356829
>Something legitimately cooler
Like what? JJK is shit but it sells the idea of coolness just like Naruto and Bleach sold the idea of worldbulding and good characters in the 2000s when, in reality, there were trash. Like Megamind said: presentation.

>>152356743
Retard

the only kid cartoons I can think of that have objectively good action is ATLA, the Bruce Timm stuff and the Genndy Tartakovski stuff

>>152356880
So what isn’t trash?

Do a superhero cartoon with good action sequences

>>152356940
>Superhero
Stop.

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>muh toys
So just make figurines for adults like anime does. Are you even capable of that?

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>>152356997
Yes

>>152356997
Most cartoon designs don't work in 3D.

>>152340785
The fucking sad how every western cartoon since 2020 is about feels, divorce trauma and lesbians.

>>152340785
The problem is cartoons are always 100% original productions, ignoring lots of books in Public domain (before of 1920), stage plays and comics (No Marvel-DC), for an adaptation. The problem is when modern cartoons get hype with periods of inconsequential episodic; people expect a huge wait of 6 weeks between episodes and years between seasons.

>>152357132
>every western cartoon since 2020
That's every cartoon since 2010. There haven't been any cartoons since 2020, dumbass.

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>>152357025
That ugly shit doesn't look like it's for adults. Can you even make something of quality like pic related? Anything less than this looks like shit.

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>>152357072
Anime statuettes exist, your post doesn't have a point.

>>152357152
>>152356997
Imagine thinking this shit is made "for adults" and not for people who are mentally 15.

>>152357186
Legally 30-40 year old hence buyfags supporting their market, I know, you hate that

>>152357186
Aren't people who are mentally 15 the primary audience for animation in general?

>>152357152
>>152357025

That a inherent problem with cartoons, they are designed are for be easier to draw for the animators, most are huge heads with 1-pixel arms and "Clothes" are geometric shapes.
Anime clothes are made by a tailor, following the proportions of real humans

>>152357152
>>152357177
What kind of people buy this?

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>>152357217
Not western animation, westerners want people who are physically 8 year olds. Anime targets people who are physically over the age of 30 and have money

>>152357243
Rich people, one statuette is 250$ plus import fees

>>152357217
>>152357243
You deserve your dead industry, FAGGOT

>>152356997
I understand this one. Evangelion is iconic and Rei is an interesting character.
>>152357152
>>152357177
>>152357279
But shit like this is for subhumans

>>152357416
Why?

>>152357422
Because they're not to my personal taste, so they're for subhumans.

>>152357279
Anime targets high schoolers with pocket money. Figs aren't paying for series, overwhelmingly manga/LNs and these days streaming subs are.

>>152357243
The same people who send vtubers $100 donations just to hear them say their name on stream.

>>152357450
>and these days streaming subs
Anon, how much money do you think anime studios get from a streaming platform that licenses hundreds of shows from dozens of studios per year?

>>152357450
>streaming subs
Boy, I hope not

>>152357473
>ecelebs :)
>ecelebs, japan >:((((

>>152356429
>>152356628
>>152356670

Toxic Masculinity is like Retarded. What it is meant to describe is obvious, but in the never-ending arms race of internet hyperbole any infraction, no matter how minor, gets the nuclear option as the method of first resort.

>>152340684
Sports draw better ratings

>>152357504
>What it is meant to describe is obvious
What is it meant to describe?
Seems like people have all sorts of different meanings for it.

>>152357499
>strawman

>>152357477
More than they get from physical releases in recent years.

>>152357541
>nooo don't strawman my strawman

>>152357279
What's stopping western animatiom from creating a character like Albedo and openly target horny adult white males too

>>152357562
What strawman you fucking subhuman retard?
>who buys vtuber statues?
>gee I don't know, maybe the same fucking people who throw money at vtubers?

>>152357550
It's generally a pittance, most of the actual money comes from retail sales and deals with publishing/licensing companies, usually related to existing source material sales.
It's why a studio like A-1 lost money on Solo Leveling even though it was one of the most-streamed shows ever on Crunchyroll.

>>152357152
>>152357177
what's the point of collecting these other than having your older relatives think that you are a faggot that plays with dolls?

>>152357582
other westerners, namely boomers and women

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>>152357217
>>152357279

The anime figures market honestly highlights how strong anime as a medium manages to be. Yes, the manga and shows themselves are aimed at a teen to young adult audience. Those kids could never afford a $300 figure of their anime waifu. But the adults with disposable income who also like the show, or are years later STILL invested enough int heir favorite series to buy something from a show that they liked when they were younger, can buy those things.

Gunpla serves an important normalization role here. They are cheaper, seen as a not unusual hobby, and make the idea of having anime figures less unusual by normalizing the idea of kids building plastic robots. And then you get older and you're spending hundreds of dollars on metal-jointed chogokins.

>>152357609
Whats the purpose of owning any art? You look at it and it makes you happy.

>>152357609
Why are you too stupid to understand beauty? Is ita genetic defect?

>>152357609
They don't live with their parents like you do. I'm sure they think you're a faggot too for watching literal cartoons for children

what memories

>>152357609
>what's the point of anything, it's all bullshit, just put a mattress in a big empty room with a computer, that's all you need.

>>152357630
Kneecap gunpla then, we don't need more normalfags shitting things up

>>152356006
what's the point of owning anything but the bare necessities? Why have steak if vitamins and nutrient mush will nourish you as well?

>>152357686
If the only thing you like about your hobby is the illusion of exclusivity, you don't actually like the hobby.

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>A lost art

not really

>>152357729
Holy fucking shit you're fucking retarded, it's not just the exclusivity. We don't need more faggots like >152357243 or >152357186 to tell us how figs are le bad and try to censor them. It's best if normalfags simply don't know
It's genuinely baffling how retarded your post is

>>152357729
>"U ONLY KARE BOUT UR SEKRIT CLUB LOLXD"
Kill yourself retard

>>152357859
Well that touched a nerve.

>>152357872
Not an argument

>>152357872
>gunplafag is a shitposter that doesn't actually care about figs
Classic, you're just a parasite

>>152357872
>make retarded post
>get called a retard
>"heh, must've hit a nerve"

>>152357881
>>152357895
>>152357913
> Just over a minute apart each
Probably nothing.

>>152356985
Why not?

Destroy anime's "Aura"

>>152358425
Don't worry, Western anime fans are doing their damndest by enforcing their Western puritanical views on it so they water it down, censor the fuck out of it, and make it unpalatable to people.

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>>152356908

>>152357839
It absolutely is lmao

>>152358546
Mushoku Tensei feels exclusively made with the intent of pissing off puritan westerners that get triggered by the usual controversial tropes in weebshit

I think the actual reason is that the main audience, young boys, moved to video games. The viewership just isn't there anymore. The love for it is, as you can tell by how much coverage and love the old greats get on YouTube and TikTok and the like, but cartoons in general don't turn much of a profit these days anyway, let alone cartoons for a market that almost doesn't exist anymore.

>>152359469
>he love for it is, as you can tell by how much coverage and love the old greats get on YouTube and TikTok and the like

Don't mistake millennial content creators still dicksucking ATLA like its high art for some kind of indicator of what the target audience of today wants. Thats just nostalgia with a platform.

>>152359463
That's pretty typical of isekai in general since it's usually aimed at a Japanese audience and tends to be almost exclusively watched by Asians.
Personally, I find it kinda funny when white people and Americans get mad about shit like slavery or when isekaiman just wants to grill dangit.

>>152359586
It is definitely high art and nostalgia isn't an invalid form of support. The reason Korra failed is because people wanted something that meets the standards ATLA set. The reason both live action ATLAs failed is because they weren't nearly as good as the cartoon. It's not a riddle, anon. In addition to that, look at how popular shounen anime is and always has been. There's no way you could reasonably say the young male audience doesn't want fighting cartoons, but anime is willing to write stories that the west is afraid to.

>>152359671
People don't get on MT's case for slavery. They get on MT's case for it being actual pedophilia. A 40 year old man, who sees himself as a 40 year man in his head, groping young girls and who was kicked out of his house after his family found the camera he installed in the bathroom to spy on his 8 year old niece.
Like, there's no ambiguity about it. The only way he could be more of a pedo was if he was if he went to Epstein island. But the story just sort of asks that you brush that off and forget about it.

>>152359737
The pedo grandstanding has become kind of toothless now that we know without a doubt that the entire power structure of the western world is run by pedophiles being blackmailed by the king of pedos.
It's mostly just noise at this point, kinda like bitching about a show being "mean-spirited" and other dumb shit.

>>152359737
I only watched the first season, but isn't the point of the story that the guy gets a second chance at a life he never had? I'm not oblivious to him being an actual adult (and canonically a perverted porn addict) but emotionally and mentally he might not have aged past his middle/high school years. He's stunted. Definitely weird either way, though.

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Action cartoons never went away. You just kept watching channels that don't make them currently.

>>152359714
> There's no way you could reasonably say the young male audience doesn't want fighting cartoons, but anime is willing to write stories that the west is afraid to.

I don't disagree with that at all. I will got to bat any day of the week for the weird, hyper-specific anime that could never be made in the west because they are too weird, too ambitious, or too niche. But that doesn't negate the fact that there are a lot of people who grew up with ATLA and just... never grew beyond it. Yes, its good, but its not SO good that it should still be your primary point of reference for good storytelling 20 years later.

>>152359112
Good point
>>152359469
...And not even good ones

>>152359773
Post hard drive.

>>152359927
No worries, there's no yuri on my hard drive, so I'm safe from any credible pedo allegations.

>>152359818
>but its not SO good that it should still be your primary point of reference for good storytelling 20 years later.

Yes, it is. To this day I don't see much children's media that comes close to atla's complexity. It's superior to much adult media and mogs the entire young adult genre. Cartoons today hope they could be a fraction of what atla is.

We need to execute anyone who likes JJK

>>152359792
his growth happens at turtle steps so most people get fed up with watching him being a despicable piece of shit just because fans says that he gets better later.

>>152352247
Eh, japanese action shows for kids are going through their own crisis, heck Super Sentai's being canned because no kid is watching

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Anime. Action cartoons used to capture kids, tweens and teens. But then anime came in and was better and different. A lot of people like Samurai Jack but I always kind of hated it because I knew it was ment for kids and would never show any actual violence or have any real stakes due to it's re-run format. Anime on the other hand had tons of action and violence, even the tamer ones like Pokemon. Sex is a big thing too since anime does not skimp on the sex. Even the animes aimed at tweens still have lots of lewd moments almost as if they are trying to get some middle school boy his first hard on.

The ending arch format helps a ton too. It means anime is constantly evolving. New shows will have to replace old ones. When you look at it there are VERY few long running animes compared to how many new animes come out every year. Anime seems very much built for this as well. They do not make series to last forever it seems while the west LOVES to milk their shows and IP to the ground.

>>152360383
>while the west LOVES to milk their shows and IP to the ground.
This was nowhere near as bad 10-15 years ago as it is now.
CN from basically 1998 to 2015 produced a lot of new shows almost every year, but post-2015 there's been very little, and things have gotten so bad that every major cartoon network is now pushing endless reboots and spinoffs because they can't get anyone to give a fuck about their new offerings.
And the sad part is, it's not even working, Nickelodeon already cancelled the shitty Rugrats reboot and that CG Spongebob spinoff.

>>152340700
>Sym-Bionic Titan is the greatest action cartoon of all time
It's complete trash.

>>152340684
This isn't related to OP's question but I have to ask if anyone knows if an artist draws these thumbnails. I've seen this style so much on those youtube videos with "What if Character Were Charged for their Crimes?" and it feels so weirdly AI. They claim it's not, but they don't credit who the artist is, so it's hard to gage how truthful they are.

>>152360383
I think I heard something about Craig McCracken being butthurt with the fact that Dragon Ball was the show airing at CN with the bigger audience

It's funny because Ben 10 Classic had a lot of underwhelming fighting scenes. This gets worse throughout Alien Force and especially Omniverse.

>>152360025
>It's superior to much adult media and mogs the entire young adult genre.
That isn't a feat tho. Adult western animation is absolute shit 99.99% of the time.

>>152360553
Nah

>>152359797
Cope lmao

>>152360383
So the best solution is to destroy all anime

I think this thread has hammered home that we need to condition the youth to hate anything overly flashy

>>152360576
>Ben 10 Classic had a lot of underwhelming fighting scenes
I don't remember any satisfacting big cartoon fight.
>Aang vs Ozai ended with the Avatar state coming back because of a random rock plus the asspull bending
>Zuko wasn't allowed to beat Azula
>The DCAU ended with Superman losing (again)
>Every S5 Samurai Jack fight
Etc.

>>152360733
If you can't survive in a competitive environment, the problem isn't the competition. Getting rid of anime won't make cartoons any better. If anything they might get worse, because they can afford to be even lower quality.

>>152359671
>white people and Americans get mad about shit like slavery
Niggers, anon

>>152360822
Do I have to tap the Popeye vs Sinbad fight sign?

>>152360383
>would never show any actual violence or have any real stakes due to it's re-run format.
This is why comics are unable to beat manga. Yes, there is violence but there aren't real stakes in a medium where the status quo is god

>>152360983
Comparing apples to oranges

>>152355195
>They are all about fighting but they can't actually show fighting because that would make parents uneasy.
I'm so sick of soccer moms forcing cartoons specifically to follow their narrow idea what a cartoon is. They'll let their kid shoot people in Fortnite or Call of Duty, but heaven forbid Spider-Man punch a crook.

>>152355195
Is that fucking trap music? What a weird choice for an anime soundtrack.

>>152361082
They got the guy who did the soundtrack for Panty & Stocking, so it's pretty on-brand.

>>152361166
Better, actually. The guy who did the PSG soundtrack and others *volunteered* to do the sound track for this show, because he's a big kamen rider fan. This is a studio he's not normally contracted with, but he wanted to be part of the project.

It certainly gives each of the characters a.... unique theme song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4wSvcOJhOc

>>152340715
Nobody remembers Booty Quake just like nobody remembers Sym-Bionic Titan.

>>152341810
>Show is a giant throwback to old school mecha anime of the 70s-80s
>Anon: "WHY DUZ DEY HAVE YOOJ WOOBY EYEZ?"

Tell me you're a retard without telling me you're a retard.

>>152340684
action cartoons had to compete with anime and video games. why would you watch some bloodless fight when you could turn on bleach

>>152361278
Nope, faggot

>>152360576
Nope

The answer to anime is to create an action cartoon that goes past those influences and does it's own thing.

>>152341003
Just talking about OS Ben, not anything that came after.
There are a lot of moments that are just Gwen making fun of him and the show being like "yeah, she's right".

>>152340684
>expensive to animate it well enough that it doesnt look like shit
>violence bad. Everyone having impromptu therapy sessions to vomit all their problems (the writers childhood whininess they never got over) good
>appeals to boys not girls and that means your show isnt diverse enough
>anyones that try just ripoff anime fight scenes rather than come up with their own

>>152361932
Is there a problem?

>>152356997
In America buying figures that don't look like this will get you shamed by peers on by folks online. So getting what you posted is usually a no-go due to cultural norms.

>>152357243
Actual fans. They'll buy figures, merch and blu-rays if they like the show.

>>152340684
- Expensive to produce
- Declining toy sales
- Anime garnering more and more popularity in the west
- YouTube Let's Players gaining popularity among youth demographics
- The rise of social media

>>152360822
>>Every S5 Samurai Jack fight
What? The one where he kills the daughters of aku was pretty cool...

>>152361787
Cope

>"shit guys we're losing viewership to anime and videogames how do we fix this"
>"maybe by being less strict with censorship and allow more violence and hot girls in cartoons aimed at teens?"
>"more cool original stories that aren't written by dykes only for themselves?"
>"more animation aimed at adults that aren't just shitty comedies? it's working for invincible"
>"NAH let's just do more calarts for babies and faux-anime that neither anime fans nor western animation fans like"
BRILLIANT

>>152361362
this is the real reason

hot take: most "action" cartoons were just slapstick comedy, it had no action in them. videogames and anime take it seriously