Besides all the obvious reasons? What are you trying to imply here?

>>152362428
cuz' no one asked him recenly

>>152362436
What obvious reasons?

>>152362428
He's not really a super great story teller, so seems he just prefer his wheelhouse of stiff, but gorgeous art

>>152364884
Why doesn't your auto mechanic also do the plumbing for your house? Its a different skillset. He has something he excels at and they'll pay him for it. Why pay him to do something he's not as good at?

>>152362436
Seems like you’re retarded and think he doesn’t or cant draw.

>>152364941
See:
>>152364946


Every page he’s ever laid out has been done in pencil before paint. Are you two really this retarded?

Let alone the fact that Full Circle is a shining example of this which is why OP used it and asked the question.

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>>152364901
I didn’t think Full Circle looked at all stiff.

>>152362428
Because it would take a long time and it would take a lot of money.

>>152364901
Im so sick of this normie meme opinion. Up there with “dragon ball GT sucks!” and “Batman just beats up homeless people!” for dumb shit that was solidified in casuals minds because they repeated it to fit in after hearing someone else say it.

The idea that Ross is a notably lackluster storyteller is based in some sort of weird assumption that the rest of the industry is notably better. The only notably good visual storytellers are guys like Frank Miller or Quitely who these same delusional casuals have been convinced is overrated.

>>152364974
No more time than it takes to paint every panel. Likely the same page rate.

>>152365025
He's never done any character defining story and I'll concede that full circle has good technique on display, but an exception doesn't make a rule. I just don't think he's ever done any truly original stuff. Unless there's noncape shit of his I'm not aware of. Still a good artist though

>>152365033
Marvel would never pay him what he'd be worth, he probably got paid decent for Full Circle but I'm sure he still makes more just doing variant covers like every other a-list artist.

>>152365048
What even IS a "character defining story?" Too many hacks always want to be THE ONE to right THE story about whatever character. The one that makes the mark that lasts forever. But none of these people ever actually write what the character is. It's always some de-re-construction that's offside canon meant to be bragged about to non readers.

>>152365048
>He's never done any character defining story
What an absurd thing to say. Only a very small smattering of creators ever have and most of the artists in the industry never have because thats mostly up to writers. Beside which he’s only written a handful of comics.

>>152365054
I agree, but don’t think any of the marvel arts projects were done on a page rate system. They probably got paid per the entire project between Abrams and marvel.

>>152365136
>What even IS a "character defining story"
I'm gonna cheat slightly and use runs but it's the same thing anyway but here are some for you
>Miller Daredevil
>Moor Swamp thing
>O'Neil and Adams Batman
>Lee and Ditko/Romita Spider-Man
>Byrne's Superman
>Johns Aquaman
>Claremont Xmen
Annin canon character defining story is very much a real and achievable thing. Ross just has never done it. I've also never seen any original narrative cooked up by him get recommended, so pretty safe to say he's just not an amazing storyteller

>>152365224
It's not absurd. Op is asking why he doesn't draw more interiors and it's because his focus isn't on story because he's not good at it

>>152365268
You named writers. Thus proving youre retarded. The only artists in that list who can take any credit is Ditko and Miller and Byrne. Not even Adams on Batman (though he would belong in the list for deadman which you’d have said if you weren’t a retarded casual). As for miller/daredevil and Byrne/Superman they’re cartoonists (meaning they do both) so it’s not analogous.

>>152365307
See: >>152365025

Also this:
>He's never done any character defining story
Has nothing to do with the interior artist which you clearly displayed you don’t understand here: >>152365268 by listing writers.

>>152365319
Just used writers on some for shorthand. Anyone who knows comics knows the artists is important for those runs and Ross has never been one side of that coin. Not even a controversial statement so I don't know what's upsetting you. He's good at doing poses specifically of capeshit characters and he knows it

>>152365339
Yeua you're just butthurt and autistic for not understanding the post like this >>152365307 anon. Just staying that he's not a good storyteller is an accurate assessment of his work

>>152365358
>Just used writers on some for shorthand. Anyone who knows comics knows the artists is important for those runs
Then name some artists who defined the characters. By all means. Skip daredevil and Superman, none of the artists including mazzucchelli were as impactful as miller or Byrne.


>>152365371
Im no longer even acknoowdging this normie opinion. You didn’t even reply to what I said here: >>152365025

Name 10 better “storytellers” that have drawn a comic in the last 30 years.

>>152362428
It probably takes him too much time. Time which he could be spending on drawing more covers, which probably pay better. There’s probably a reason that he only does interiors for serious passion projects of his/a friend’s.

>>152364901
>He's not really a super great story teller.

I can’t name a single artist at either of the big 2 right now who are better storytellers. Can you?

>>152365048
The Dini oversized books were all great, essential stories though. Perfect showcases of the characters

>>152365418
>Name this name that
Naw I'm good. How about you name some non capeshit by Ross or a run that he actually did the interiors for that tell good stories

>>152365527
I accept your concession.

>>152365539
Op asked why Ross doesn't do interiors. I said because he's not a good story teller. You can't recommend any good stories he's drawn. You lost

>>152365527
Holy shifted goalposts Batman.

>>152365551
Full circle, kingdom come and the books with Dini. You’ll say they have poor storytelling in them which goes back to me telling you thats an absurd normie opinion based on an assumption that other artists are better storytellers. You haven’t substantiated what you even think that claim means and you named a bunch of writers when asked.

>>152365527
>I can’t
BTFO lol

>>152365559
No
>>152365592
Because those aren't character defining stories, you're right.
>You listed writers
And artists who made character defining runs and stories which Ross hasn't. I'll kind of give you Kingdom Come because it's alright, but not character defining

>>152365527
He did start off doing a Terminator comic, but I know the next goal post will be that IP comics don't count.
There's the Uncle Sam series he did. Technically based off DC's superhero, but not a superhero book.

>>152365626
>And artists who made character defining runs and stories
No you didn’t. You specifically refused to. That’s exactly the point.

Why are you doing this? Either admit you misspoke or substantiate your claim. Why keep replying just to be retarded over and over? I genuinely don’t understand why you’d do this.

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>>152365626
>Because those aren't character defining stories, you're right.
Anon, this panel from Batman War alone is worth more than the last 26 years of Batman stories. I'd even go as far to say as it's better and more character defining than even decades of stories before, too.

>>152365643
This list includes artists >>152365268 though all apart of runs and stories that defined characters. Ross has never done one like this. Because he's not a great story teller. Great artists just doesn't have an all time story for any specific character in him. Or a really good original narrative. I've been pretty consistent so I'm not sure where your confusion is coming from

>>152365626
Name 5 ARTISTS who defined a character. Artists. Which is what Ross is. Not writers, not cartoonists (writer artists like Byrne or miller). 5 artists. It doesn’t happen. It’s not the job description.

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>>152365642
>>152365527
forgot my pic

>>152365687
You were told here: >>152365319 why youre wrong.
>The only artists in that list who can take any credit is Ditko and Miller and Byrne. Not even Adams on Batman (though he would belong in the list for deadman which you’d have said if you weren’t a retarded casual). As for miller/daredevil and Byrne/Superman they’re cartoonists (meaning they do both) so it’s not analogous.

Again why keep replying when you aren’t actually engaging? You genuinely seem like a bot at this point.

>>152364941
While he’d never be able to handle a monthly schedule the assertion that he isnt better at interiors than guys like Shaner or Clay Mann or modern Jim Lee who also cant hit monthly schedules is just offensive.

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>>152365033
Ross almost certainly doens't get the same page rate.
In the 2000's, Ross did seem to experiment with ways to produce more sequential. HE did this Kingdom come Special which was just penciled/shaded, not painted, and digitally colored, for example. Justice was actually not pencilled by him, and instead he just did layouts that Doug Braithwaite pencilled and then he finalized in paint.
That said, the companies have to actually want to buy his sequentials too.
Remember, Fantastic Four full circle almost didn't happen. He's pitched stuff like a Captain Marvel toon book they wanted nothing to do with.
The sad thing about comics is that Marvel almost certainly sells more from Ross variant covers than Ross interiors. From a business perspective, they'd rather pay him for covers they can market and make posters of than interiors.

>>152365782
>Ross almost certainly doens't get the same page rate
As who? The claim I made was that his painted rate would be the same as his drawn one.

>>152365915
I really doubt that, too, though admittedly I have no proof one way or another. Work he just penciled vs painted would likely have a different page rate negotiated since a separate colorist would have to handle it, like
>>152365782

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>>152365772
One thing that I never see discussed is that, stripped of the painted aspect, Alex Ross' panel layouts and shots feel very traditional DC. I don't think the angles he uses or compositions are far from Neal Adams, or even Curt Swan and Carmine Infantino.
I think the reason Ross' art resonated where as other painters like Joe Jusko, or the parade of forgettable Asian digital painters,never reach iconic status is that he simply knows how to make superheroes look like superheroes.

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>>152364901
He's passable, but the realism, aided by the paints, makes it seem more stiff than usual.
>>152364941
That's a dumbfuck analogy.
>>152364968
To me, it's his best interior work.
>>152365432
We lose so many to cover duty.
>>152365551
He does interiors. The question is why doesn't he pencil and ink them.

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>>152365268
I think you sort of missed my point by listing examples. I'm not asking FOR some character defining runs I'm asking what MADE them character defining runs. Like okay let's use Lee Ditko Spider-man. This is a good example. During this run Lee and Ditko established a lot of what MADE Spider-man. His motives and personality, his supporting cast, his enemies, his entire world. If someone asked you what a NORMAL day for Spider-man was you'd probably imagine something like this. Peter needs to do something but Spider-man stuff gets in they way. That's a definition of a Spider-man story. Ross didn't do this because the Fantastic Four were already defined. And that's not really a bad thing because he's telling a GENUINE Fantastic Four story. Instead of telling stories that define and change a lot of characters writers should often focus on telling on that feels real to them.

>>152365678
This page is kino!

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Superman: Peace, Batman: War, Wonder Woman: Truth, Captain Marvel/Shazam:Hope are all character defining works. they beautiful get to the root of the characters in evergreen stories,
In fact I'd wager the only reason you don't hear about them as much is that their large size means they weren't kept in print regularly, and in general comic hype trains revolve around mediocre monthly issues and events and a select few stories kept in print.

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>>152367186
I have the absolute edition. It's beautiful to look at. Though really fancy edition aside it's weird that DC doesn't try to make it more public.

>>152367123
Hell yes.

>>152362428
You know how a lot of Jack Kirby cosmic art already looks like he was on acid? This looks like someone else's trip on a different batch of acid.

He's okay.

I liked Justice more than Kingdom Come

>>152369174
Understandable. Kingdom Come is more for people who like it distopian, fantastic and loaedd full of meanings.
Justice is heroic, hopefull, classic and mythical.

>>152365527
This normie is not aware of Ross' Project Justice.
Sad.

>>152369674
>*Ross's
Possessive apostrophes don't work that way.

>>152365678
Beautiful. Very good.

>>152370312
Ha!

>>152366850
If you say you don't like a particular run and half the board shows up to call you a retard, it's a character defining run. Far and away the best example of this on /co/ is Simonson Thor.

>>152370312
No, he's right.

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>>152369674
>This normie is not aware of Ross' Project Justice.

Project Super Powers. Project Justice was a kick ass Dreamcast game.

>>152370708
He isn't, though.

>>152371682
Proof?

>>152370610
I don't like Simonson's Thor.

>>152373570
Retard.

>>152362847
Is he a recluse or somethin'?

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>>152362428
Why would he? His entire schtick is being Norman Rockwell, there's no way he'll deviate from that.