To save money, they made every cartoon about characters standing around talking.

>>152370017
The creator is half Japanese with Asian features and a Asian girl friend

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reminds me of this

>>152370017
No, I like it and it's right. Most overrated shit ever. It's like someone set out to make the culmination of every idea millennial Californian creators have these days. I cannot tell you how many times I've seen one of them pitch their totally original "magical-girl inspired show about a girl who is basically me and they all talk about their feelings, did you know I used to read FANFICTION?" ideas online.

>>152370017
That isn't even what the show's art style looks like

>>152370076
Cali millennial here.
My cartoon idea is super awesome and I'd never even get a meeting.

>>152370017
The writing of the pilot was bad but I really, really, really want to fuck Aika and Zira so I’m letting it slide

>>152370097
>I'd never even get a meeting.
Well to be fair nobody can now because the industry went all-in on boring cartoons about trauma and identity that kids don't like over a decade ago. and now nobody watches cartoons.

>>152370076
This was literally already a show too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjY5iv1BasM

Like. Down to a fucking T. Quirked up millennial women whose exposure to magical girls was seeing Sailor Moon gifs on Tumblr back in 2011.

>>152370017
anime is way more quiet than western animation.

>>152370058
half Hawaiian, half negro. She just says Japanese to try and get anime credit, but her entire mom's extended family live in Hawaii.

>>152370017
I need this but for Owl House.

more tr/a/nime seethe threads than usual today

>>152370269
Aren't there japanese immigrants in hawaii?

>>152370373
yep. and a lot of hawaiians claim they're ackshually japanese because territory or whatever.
It's a common sentiment in japan too. Azumanga Daioh if i remember had the characters counting Hawaii as Japan.

>>152370017
Might as well also add Aang.

>>152370692
Tlab was not "diet" anime

>>152370888
Son...
What even is "diet" anime if it's neither that nor the other westaboo slop that was made?

>>152370968
I concur with the op pic. I do not occure with applying the same label to avatar. Avatar really tried and succeeded

>>152370017
yeah I saw this on xitter, people are getting mad in the replies because this drawing is "cruel to artists" while failing to recognize an artist drew this

>>152370993
Doesn't answer my question.

People think that the american obsession with subversive media comes from a place of contempt, but I'd argue they're just innocently misguided.
American shows are all moulded by the concept of the "elevator pitch".
"It's a familiar thing but with a twist!" is usually the sentence that people are rewarded the most for using, and so that's just what young aspiring show creators go for. They're excited and full of energy and want to get a start making something already. Can you blame em?
The show creator probably chose the magical girl genre simply because that's what they liked growing up and what they still like today, they aren't intending to "dunk on it".
Even though the pilot we have may seem snarky and disingenuous in concept, I can assure you it was most likely made with good intentions.
At the end of the day, americans DO want to make earnest stories with no frills or gimmicks, but all of them are told that they have to win over people's attention first, and to do that- many people resort to genre subverting, because its easy and it still works effectively to this day.
They can't help it that their culture has indoctrinated them into treating show creation as something akin to advertising. They were born into it.

If you're in japan and want to tell a story with manga (like a magical girl story) its a whole different rite of passage, rather than being a game of tricks, its a simple test skill. Instead of having to fend for yourself and be your own advertising agent when creating it, you just need to be imaginative and hard working and eventually you'll have an editor appointed to you who basically acts as your adult handler. You just get to make what you want as long as your editor deems it 'interesting', not 'sell-able' but 'INTERESTING' and then its their job to form connections and get the story into the printing press, and once your shit is in a magazine then people will read it simply because its there.
In an ideal world, America could be like this too.

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>>152370017
I'm so fucking tired of everyone's great overarching dream project being "remake the hot 80s/90s anime I jerked off to when I was 10, but completely defanged, sexless, and high on xanax"
it's depressing

>>152370017
Sure OP, it's just reposting their shitty fanart


https://x.com/smith_john47471/media

>>152371074
I know chibi usa made out with her father, but how much sex do you want in your tiny magical girl series?

>>152370968
I would say "diet" would mean superficial use of aesthetics, while not appreciating the actual heart of the style, genre, and medium. EVERY single fucking western magical girl attempt is some subversive, "ugh, this sucks," type of story, with the real premise being just SoL millennial problems packaged around a magical world. These people don't want to make a magical girl show. They want to make animations of the "vibe-y" fanart of Sailor Moon they saw as a teenager on Tumblr.

it's called deconstruction chud

>>152371025
Yeah it does, and additionally kys
As if anyone's obligated to answer your puerile questions

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>>152371088
I'm not being specific, I just mean in general with all these anime-copying shows, it's the same repeating pattern of being a safe and sanded-down version of whatever titillated them growing up, which lauding in the same repeating themes of oh I'm gay, oh I'm traumatized, oh I'm quirky and outcast, oh look I'm repeating the anime scenes! the famous ones!

bored to fucking TEARS

>>152371185
I don't really get "UGH THIS SUCKS" meta from Pretty Please though. In fact I'm pretty sure the creator said the show isn't about that.

>>152371017
It’s xitter, anon. It’s always
>that’s mean to artists, this is so cruel!
when it’s someone the hive mind decides they like, and
>fuck this person, let’s all gang up on them and never let them have a day of peace again
when it’s someone they don’t like. I’d be a rich man if I had a penny for every time I saw these people complain about online harassment one minute and actively and unapologetically participate in it the next.

>>152370017
Yeah pretty much.

>>152371217

>>152371185 explained it better than what you're trying to regurgitate. And here we were trying to have a noble discussion.

>>152371190
if anything it reminds me of invincible in how it doesn't mindlessly subvert superhero tropes, but deconstructs it.

it doesn't just ask "what if the alien superhero was BAD", it answers it with "being the best hero despite it". same with pretty please. it seems like it's answering the question "what makes being magical girl so good?"

>>152370097
Let's hear it then.

>>152370097
You'll be better off making it your own at this point

>>152371190
The magical girl genre has been subverted, deconstructed, and reconstructed so many times over the years it's not funny. It doesn't really matter if it's a deconstruction or a subversion, it comes from a place of shallow knowledge of the genre - that's why it comes off as diet anime.

>>152371219
Glad to find someone else who shares this sentiment. Far too many artists want to copy anime when it's clear they don't read enough books or watch enough movies, let alone talk to normal people. For crying out loud, Neon Genesis Evangelion inspired TONS of other anime and most of them were still pretty good because:

>their authors had something interesting to say
>they pulled from the formative experiences and backgrounds of the authors
>the authors were well-read or versed when it came to books, movies, or TV

Muv-Luv, AOT, Chainsawman, TTGL, Code Geass, and RahXephon owe a lot to NGE. That's not even mentioning games like FF7, Nier, the Xeno series, or most of what Kojima has made. Or how everyone throws a Rei Ayanami clone in their show at least once.

I'm very grateful that American artists don't have a boner for the mecha or tokusatsu genres. I feel a great deal of sadness for any magical girl fans who have to put up with this shit.

>>152371529
>what if the Magical Girl was evil
>already did it
>what if the Magical Girl was crazy
>already did it
>what if the Magical Girl was perverted
>already did it
>what if the Magical Girl was a girlfailure
>already did it
>what if the Magical Girl was a mom
>already did it
>what if the Magical Girl was oblivious to how much destruction she was causing
>already did it
>what if the Magical Girl was dealing with GRIMDARKNESS
>already did it (way more than you'd think)

>>152370888
Is it not? I love ATLA but it's literally two white guys who created it.

>>152371865
>what if Magical Girl was Magical Boy
>already an entire subgenre

>>152371773
>I'm very grateful that American artists don't have a boner for the mecha or tokusatsu genres.
I think it's more that they generally don't have enough patience to design/draw mecha, but when they do it predictably goes to shit (looking at you, Voltron).

>>152371865
It's not even just that, but
>what if, uh, the magical girl like, didn't want to be a magical girl?
Is the most basic bitch shit imaginable.

>>152371907
I kinda want to see if anyone's done a magical girl manga where the premise is that instead of magical girls wearing sailor uniforms, the magical boys wear gakuran and take their jobs very seriously.

>the omakes would focus on the girls taking the place of the boys as tokusatsu heroes (Ultraman, Kamen Rider, etc) but everything is played for comedy

>>152371996
That's not it. It's that we don't have the centralized culture for that. Japan has/had an extremely centralized and homogenous culture is a VERY SMALL SPACE compared to the size of America, which has a much bigger variety of cultures, peoples, geography, and sheer size. There's no real strong national identity for something like mecha, EXCEPT for our love of cars, which is why Megas XLR succeeded were nothing else would have

>>152372028
Japan also has Shinto. They treat just about all of their material possessions with care and respect. Meanwhile, the only thing Americans seem to collectively care about is their cars.

>>152370513
>Ugh, that's too much cheese. I kinda hope Eclipse shows up again so I can use the wind attack I'm building up on him...

>>152370293
plebcomics already did one for TOH, you can find it if you look around for it

>>152372050
Tbf if you don't have a car you basically have one foot in the grave already.

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>>152370017
>Fumo plush fan
Opinion discarded

>>152370888
Diet in this context means Korean

>>152372050
>>152372074
Yeah. The car is not a national identity for fun it's because our nation is so fucking gigantic that the only way to participate in society is to have mobility, which becomes associated with freedom, and then couples with the gun as another symbol of power and freedom.

>>152370017
>this simple jab caused a giant shitstorm
calarts fags are starting to lose their minds(even moreso)

>>152372338
it’s not a simple jab, it’s a shartroon seething

>>152372338
there's no mental defense left, the cults are all eating each other alive while real problems become much more pressing, money is vanishing, and AI is coming down like an axe

>>152372338
>literally just a doodle
>"erm, he's seething"
i think the term for this is, "projection"

>>152372338
>lose their minds when you criticize their derivative work
>lose their minds when you suggest a style trend exists (which it does) and tries to call you crazy
>openly and unashamedly criticizes all other style trends like the "Adult Cartoon" style or "Newgrounds Style"
For people who claim to be "pro art" they sure have a problem discussing artistic stagnation and derivative art when it involves them.

>>152372338
They see it as targeted bullying at a single person, so I get it.
What they need to understand however is that people aren't doing this because "haha fuck this artist in particular", they're doing it because its a symptom of a bigger problem and its never going to get fixed if we just keep ignoring it.

>>152372700
>What they need to understand however is that people aren't doing this because "haha fuck this artist in particular", they're doing it because its a symptom of a bigger problem and its never going to get fixed if we just keep ignoring it.
You're acting like something genuinely damaging will happen if this becomes a full-fledged show lol

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why do this kind of people defend pseudo anime?

>>152372994
They want to infiltrate the hobby/medium and then wear it like a skinsuit. Just like they did with every western hobby/medium.
>I love Konosuba, but le heckin problematic age gap
>I'm a huge fan of magical girls, but le heckin problematic sexist fanservice
>I love mecha anime, but le heckin problematic fascist characters
But in this particular case, the problem is squarely
>I have only ever watched Sailor Moon, just Sailor Moon, I claim to love magical girls but I would never ever ever reference anything other than Sailor Moon, not even Madoka

>>152372994
Lack of confidence

>>152372759
>You're acting like something genuinely damaging will happen if this becomes a full-fledged show lol
Your reading comprehension is so fucking dogshit its not even funny.
Nobody is saying anything about "something major happening".
The bottom-line is american cartoons are getting absolutely dog walked by anime and people are just pointing out that this is one of the reasons why, because these cartoons are lacking.
That's all there is to it. You're reading into it too deeply.

It's no skin off my back if this mediocre shit gets made. People will continue to not watch cartoons and anime will continue to soar in popularity.

>>152372994
>Dispatch user icon
That's amusing. The game where they can barely utter a few Whedonesque sentences without referencing dicks?

>>152370017
>OP redraws show to call it calarts(it isn’t)
>his complaint is that there’s too much talking
>comes to repost here after getting BTFO on shitter
Pretty embarrassing

>>152372994
These are most likely poorly socialized faggy teenagers, whose only social outlet is surface level social media, let's be honest. I mean come on, look at the way they talk.

>>152371219
I'm always immensely turned off by a show once I get the feeling that it's creator is entirely self-absorbed.
>the main character is named "blah blah blah" (literally me)
>you see they go through these traumatic struggles (that I went through*)
>*see: not traumatic
>and they have these opinions (mine) and they are always the voice of reason and right about everything
>all the villains and antagonists are some weird amalgamation of people I have spite for
>also my show pays homage (ripping off in the most unoriginal way possible) media from years ago (only stuff I watched and liked)
>no character arcs (I'm already perfect and right about everything so my character will never be wrong or lose or have to go through any changes just like me)
It's like watching the animated subconscious of a narcissist.

>dude it's a deconstruction
Instantly boring.
>dude what if Superheroes had to pay taxes or had like mental health problems
>dude what if fantasy setting but like more realistic
It's a fun thought experiment for exactly 5 seconds and then totally pointless. I can already imagine the rest of the uncreative dribble that will follow.
Please continue to make Slop Superhero Deconstruction Story #18238. No you don't understand it's different than the other ones. I'm sure you have a really poignant and interesting message. Wow, wait a minute you are telling me that you have a character that mirrors Superman's powers and/or origin? Wait a minute, did that character....swear? I want to make a ""deconstruction"" of the creatives that make this shit.

>>152372994
I have yet to see one instance of an ishowspeed gif be accompanied by an intelligent sounding sentence.
What the hell is it about him that attracts these type of people? It's always the fucking ones that post ishowspeed gifs that are the dumbest in the room.
It's astonishing.

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>>152373266
hint:

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>>152372994
yes I'll take the pedophilia and fanservice and misogyny please
sounds Kino

>>152370373
Hawaii is historically important to Japan moreso than the United States.

>>152370364
What was the last anime* that had a lasting impact on world pop culture?
*not based on a manga or video game

>>152373536
Cyberpunk i think

>>152373469
Of course the /tv/ poster defends pedophilia.

>>152373536
What was the last comic* that had a lasting impact on world pop culture?
*popular on its own merits and doesn't have an adaptation

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>>152373578
somebody has to.
Have fun with Quirky Menopausal Negress Show #999999

>>152373592
King in Black

>>152373606
i guarantee you I could ask any kid who "Knull" is and they wouldn't know.
I didn't even know he was in a Hollywood movie until a few days ago

>>152373653
Not just the movie, he’s in Marvel Rivals and Cosmic Invasion too. The 2015 cartoon has an official YouTube video explaining who Knull is in that continuity and it has a million views.

>>152373606
literally who

>>152373680
wow a million lol

>>152373592
homestuck

>>152373680
No diss to you, but 1m views on a youtube video kinda hasn't meant anything for a long time now.
You gotta understand anon, "lasting impact on world culture" is no small thing. We're talking levels of 'everyone knows about it' that even people who don't want to know about will end up knowing about it, like Demon Slayer or Jujutsu Kaisen.

>>152373742
I think you’re overestimating those anime. Not to say Knull is popular

>>152372994
peak western liberalism

>>152373753
I don't think parents could name them the same way they could name pikachu and minecraft, but if you pulled up a 20s something male in the streets and asked him if he's heard of the two, you're getting a "yes" 9/10 times.

>>152370017
This is too cute to represent
>>152370513
this disgusting tumblr turd

>>152373030
I actively believe most of them didn't even see Sailor Moon. You have to understand, Sailor Moon was incredibly popular on Tumblr in the early 2010s, where gifs, and art of it were posted piecemeal and reblogged to hell. 90s city pop aesthetics. Fashionable girls. Light LGBT themes (that the users on there made far too prominent). What most of these creators are trying to capture isn't even Sailor Moon or magical girls as a genre. They're trying to capture being on Tumblr when they were younger.

>>152372338
>calarts fags are starting to lose their minds(even moreso)
A complete lack of any form of competition has caused a total loss of innovation and self reflection in the industry. When you can coast by on connections you aren't going to be a trend setting sakuga or come up with world building that redefines an entire genre. Comparison to anime exposes how far the rot has gotten because new blood ips absolutely eclipse what's being made by them in the cultural market.