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Fantastic /d/iscussion last thread: >>11419006
QOTT 1: Do you wanna be dominated by women in a female way, or in a male way?
QOTT 2: For men in traditionally female occupations.
Is it genuine ambition, or the result of a recruitment drive? Are the standards the same? How are they treated? Do women care for it or respect it?
Notable works (please suggest more): https://mangabuddy.com/the-world-of-moral-reversal/chapter-1
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>>11449168
Hell yeah, RGR thread. Also, GIWTWM in the op pic.
>Do you wanna be dominated by women in a female way, or in a male way?
In a RGR female way, which would be a male way for us. I've been thinking of an example for this, which is analingus. "Eating ass" as the youths say. I think, for us, eating ass is more for the man's pleasure than the woman's. If you look at how people talk about it, it's always in the sense that it's something the man desires and the woman acquiesces to. It makes perfect sense to me that, in a RGR world, there would be a culture of women tonguefucking men's assholes.
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>babe i'm really horny
>we had sex this morning!
>yeah but if I don't get dick twice a day i'll just die! Just lay back and i'll handle it
Steve was not prepared for the realities of having a serious girlfriend but Susan was going to show him why women run things.
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>>11449168
My favourite way for Matriarchies to be constructed is through a much more sober, and less lust fueled lens than most people ITT will probably take. When we examine the various Patriarchal societies today, sexual control/domination is a key yet in my view decidedly minor part of society. A truly Patriarchal society enshrines and codifies male supremacy through the epistemological core of civlisation itself. People's understanding of themselves, either through religion or social obligation often invoke male supremacy whether they are concious of it or not, and I personally love thinking about what a society would look like with this notion flipped on its head while also preserving its uniqueness.
A true Matriarchy wouldn't be a mirror of any current Patriarchy, it would instead have completely different perspectives on many aspects of society, ranging from sex, to child rearing, to morality, to suffering, and to family that all work to serve female supremacy. I love a world that feels strangely familiar yet still completely alien in its societal norms, and a man transported to such a world would see some parallels, but still find the world more alien than any other society on earth.
Sure, you could have a world where every woman has the right to kick a man in the balls whenever they wannt in public, but you could also have a world that doesn't just teach boys to serve, obey, and honour women at every moment in their life, but alters their core perception of reality to a point where they become unable to even fathom what male liberation would look like.
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One specific example that I like to play with is how women, in a world where men are a stark minority, would even understand the fact that men exist. Men, despite their complete lack of freedom would live far more comfortable and secure lives than women, and as long as a man could sire children and remain faithful to his wives, he would remain completely secure. Meanwhile, not only would women have to work for everything they have to avoid being seen as "surplus", they would be the ones to shoulder the burden for all the neccecary acts of suffering society requires to be maintained.
Women would be solely responsible for pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding, while men would only be required for sex. Women would be required to perform all backbreaking manual labour jobs, while men would stay home and tend to the hearth. Women would be required to die in battle, while it would be too wasteful to send a man to a battlefield. I feel quite strongly that despite women having a complete monopoly on all forms of power in this world, individual women would come to despise men quite strongly due to their lives of relative comfort within the matriarchy.
My favourite part would how these women would justify it to themselves in this world. Maybe this world's creation myths features females being made in the image of the creator using her powers, and males being made in the image of women to serve as companions. Men, due to not being created directly by God would be inherently naive, childish, licentious and manipulative, thus need female dominion for the sake of society. Maybe it was a man who rebelled against God and brought suffering into the world like Pandora.
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I don't really know lol, I pulled it off Pintrest 20 seconds prior to posting
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>>11449178
femboy x tomboy is so fucking underrated it's unreal. I hope to get better at drawing in part so I can draw tall handsome tomboys doing all sorts of creep shit to cute femboys. I wanna make a doujin where a femboy becomes the "manager" for a female gridiron football team only to get gangraped by every girl on the team. The closest I'll get right now is stuff like my "world of reversed morals" doujins.
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>>11449821
profoundly autistic but i like it
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>>11449828
>draw tall handsome tomboys doing all sorts of creep shit to cute femboys
>a femboy becomes the "manager" for a female gridiron football team only to get gangraped by every girl on the team.
PLEASE, Anon, PLEASE get off the internet and go work on your drawfagging. I fucking NEED THIS.
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How about a world where men hardwired to be so competitive with other men that they basically wont work together?
Two guys won't ever directly collaborate with one another, women however, have no problem getting along among themselves or with men. This means a group of women can collectively get shit done. Mix gender teams are also possible, but requires either a limit of one guy on the team, or for the multiple guys to answer directly to a female team lead that erases the need for them to interact.
Granting women a monopoly on teamwork goes along way towards acquiring more societal power.
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>>11449844
o7 This'll be my year to improve at drawing. Boyrape hentai via tomboys SHALL be delivered to the masses.
>>11449828
Meant to link these earlier btw. Reversed morality doujins:
[Mugen Mousou - Teisou Gyakuten Abekobe Banashi 1-4]
https://e-hentai.org/g/2238832/88043c3bf2/
https://e-hentai.org/g/2242744/055410ecfc/
https://e-hentai.org/g/2288966/91ef674494/
https://e-hentai.org/g/2428943/7b7d7711c3/
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>>11449168
I have no idea what "in a female way" means in Q1 but I want the woman to want to wring me dry like toothpaste and jackhammer me while I beg for mercy, like some unhinged animal
For second q I think it should be 50/50 with mild chauvinism from the women
Only recent manga work that comes to mind other than the moral reversal one and some others mentioned earlier is this one, where a femboy is on an island of superpowered succubi and may or may not be in danger of getting succ'd into a coma by his childhood friend
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>>11449838
The autism is what makes it based anon.
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Entirely this anon! A world involving heavily matriarchal society, especially one that doesn't kinda fall apart as things modernize, would be shaped by the historical divide between male and female work, as well as sexual dimorphism and gender identity orders more than simple sex dynamics.
If anything, a good matriarchy story shouldn't even need to involve sexual encounters with women at all. Or at least, not majorly. Interacting with society, men and women, should be more than enough.
Though personally, I'm more fond of 'amazonian' setting concepts, where women are physically (or mentally/physiologically) more powerful or competitive than men.
Sure it's a bit basic porting over reversed and exaggerated irl dynamics, but directly more powerful women, and protected but disregarded men that are seen as half a person, half a prize by society (driven by women), makes for the most compelling dynamics, good and bad.
Especially so if the dynamic is based in something so different it almost justifies itself as more than just sexism, but realism.
>Boys should never wear trousers! Their... man-parts, would get all squashed. They're to be kept in skirts, and kept safe around the house until meeting a girl their mother approves of. So he's not carried off by some Wile-woman
>A good men's skirt should end just above the heelbone. But I hear some new articles are ending just below the knees! How shameless, wearing something like that out of the house, distracting all the good women out there...
>Of course, men should never be outside after 7pm, or sundown. And if you see one, it is your basic moral duty to walk them home to keep them safe.
>And of course, NEVER bring a man into a pub or a bar. Those are spaces where women can be women in peace. They're the kind of place that's just entirely unsuited for a man.
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>11449966(moi)
Forgot title: Tengoku de Akuma ga Boku wo Miwaku Suru
https://mangadex.org/title/6e770ce1-c709-4875-87a4-c9c66aa3f6c5/tengok u-de-akuma-ga-boku-wo-miwaku-suru
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>>11449933
Rapist tomboys is something we all desperately need more of I think
No womanly charm or cute games of romance, she's too bad at those things... All she can do is brute-force milk your love out of you with her disgustingly overdeveloped body... Oh no...
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Good additions btw
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Male masturbation would be taboo right? He only gets to splurt when his wife/gf gives permission, regardless of where (be it in a macro sense such as public or in their home etc) or micro (such as inside her, or via a handjob, blowjob etc).
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>>11449821
I always imagined it
Men would become sort of accessories, rich women would have harems while accommodated women would be able to own a man. While lower classes would have to comform with government-subsidized prostitutes. Men's job would be maintaining their appearance to remain valuable objects of desire.
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>>11450167
Boys would be raised in specialized schools -because letting them in girls schools would result in bullying and sexual harassment - so they go to institutes that teach them how to make their woman happy, how to lift her up after a rough day, all the great women of history and the boys that brought them happiness, how to tend their youthful beauty and the diets, habits and clothing that come with it.
Suffice to say becoming a teacher in such place is a recurring fantasy for many, many women
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Daily reminder: Ejaculation is consent
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>>11450666
Important addition: if a girl hasn't made a boy ejaculate yet, he isn't totally hers. Not until she takes in every last drop of his resistance that he can put up. So it's not just excusable to get aggressive with men... It's the only way. You don't want to end up a lonely femcel cuckquean, do you?
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>>11450674
>. Not until she takes in every last drop of his resistance
Actually that is a good thing to play with.
Cum is always referred to euphemistically using terms like resistance, dignity, temptation etc to highlight the loss of control that happens through ejaculation.
Regardless of what else we wanna build ontop (different history, different gender ratios, different size etc) this alone can be a sticking point to come back to -- M*n cum easily, quickly and visibly always. That alone makes their sexuality a weak point.
Sorry. Autism.
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>>11450676
If there were ever a place for horny rambling about deranged alt history stuff this would be it
The average girl who becomes altered for or by a matriarchy eventually comes to understand that boys are fragile, pliable things that can't hold back their inborn need to be taken in by a strong woman, even if they desperately try to protest and say that's not what they are. So it's a woman's place to hold them down when their hormones start leading them astray, and wring that stubbornness out of them, again and again if need be.
It's just natural that some girls feel such an intense hunger between their legs. Boys really need to know not to rile them up so much, it's not like the girls can help it.
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>>11450107
I mean you don't have to look to a fictional world for that dynamic. In Genesis 38:8-10 God condemns Onan to death for not creampieing his Brother's widow. If Boys were much rarer, there would be a full blown moral hysteria surrounding "spilt seed". I'd imagine boys who were kidnapped into becoming husbands would intentionally try to pull out to avoid impregnating their rapists too, probably resulting in girl on top being the much preferred way for society to approach sex.
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Simple change to make matriarchy plausible: give women a potential lifespan 10x that of men. I've run the numbers.
Choose your primitivism: in both hunter-gatherer and early farming societies, despite most women dying before making 100, this leads to twice as many women as men, and just about enough men for 100+ year old women. Society ends up being run by ancient women (who still look young) and, since they don't like STDs, both keep their men under control and have a thing for unspoiled boys.
In this scenario, men aren't a protected class. They're a controlled class. They're good for fighting, dying, and getting themselves into trouble. Even though most of them won't make it, women expect to live centuries, and act like that's their time horizon.
The most expendible class are young, politically powerless women. They get shoved into wars sometimes deliberately designed to kill them off. Male warriors are a little less expendible: war is a good way of sorting for the more desirable ones.
Anyway: Stagnant, stratified societies. Ancient god-queens hoarding shotas, running bronze age eugenics programs, and having thousands of their own descendants working for them. Riding mammoths too, but that would take time to explain. Pampered male warrior societies that trade beauty tips. Women literally evolving in the direction of violent reverse traps that grow breasts and hips after they finally get to have sex.
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How widespread would marriage with a significant age gap be in a mathriarcal society? I imagine having a boy one generation younger would be recomended: A younger partner is easier to control, the wife would already have the economic status to support both and the wife would be sort of mother figure.
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Practically universal gaps of 1-3 generations. A traditionalist romantic ideal would be a 16 year old male and a woman just turning 100.
The subversive, rebellious romantic ideal would be same-age, but this is taboo similarly to how pedophillia is taboo today. Women with armies and religions behind them tell everyone that this is a disgusting crime, and will usually torture and execute the women involved. It is almost as bad as getting pregnant before age 20.
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bro im the same. I love femboy x tomboy. I also want to make porn
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>>11450976
The way I figure it, symptoms of age only last a few decades before you expire. Basically, they start to age at a normal rate, most often at about 650-750.
Women are prime (if sometimes mommy-dommy or femuscled) until their beauty starts to crack. Then they're almost certainly going to be dead within 50 years. These aging bitches, who can still be quite vigorous, scare everybody. Centuries of training and experience, centuries of building power, with a rapidly dwindling sense of self-preservation. Think like a cult leader with a terminal cancer diagnosis, but who's still physically strong.
HOW DO YOU FIND THE ONE THAT IS NOT A PAIR?
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Educational.
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>>11450676
Moreover, it's a fantastic way to exhibit control over a gender.
>Despite women owning and running society, men would probably be the ones actually approaching women for getting together, given the burden of reproduction is on women.
>While some women may be more aggressive, deliberately encouraging the man, or even approaching him herself (depending on the culture I guess), the big fantasy for these women would be; a man sees her, and is just so overtaken with desire he can't help his poor male yearnings to throw himself at her.
>Masturbation is a way by which those feelings or desires can be controlled.
>So male client focused pornography is, though not outlawed, heavily criticized and scandalous.
>Cumming for your woman is not just a core aspect of male-female romantics, but also one of *the* duties, as a man (the others being care for and support your woman, and keep the house in order). It's a transferal. A (generally) willing loss of dignity, pride and self, given to another who caused it, out of love.
>Deliberately 'spilling your seed' on your own isn't just a show of horniness, but it's like willingly throwing away your pride and dignity as a man for... no real reason, because it was done by themselves.
>And for men, who despite being treated well in good society, will rarely hold a job or own property and possessions of their own (that aren't gifts, or owned by a family member), their manly pride may be all they really own.
>No use just spilling it like that.
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Ejaculation is consent.
>>11449972
My question, is what would men's swimwear look like?
>Leotard/One piece/Bikini.
>: Practical, but very slutty and bulge-showing.
>Board shorts.
>: Reasonable, but blows the 'men can't wear pants because of their man-parts getting squashed' myth out.
>Shorter swimmable 'skirts' (mid thigh length, layered so they don't cling scandelously when getting out of water)?
>: Consistent with fashion lore, but extra lewd for a whole host of reasons.
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>>11450983
>ultra-insane, desperate, titty monster hag whose brain has crumbled over the years while the rest of her body has reached an unholy peak, basically shutting down her moral code and putting her pussy in charge
Terrifying...
>>11451065
As it should be
>>11451334
I think it loses more than a little appeal if the women still lack the initiative to get their way in a relationship
Cutting off access to other women somehow out of possessiveness so men have no actual, meaningful choice seems like a reasonable middle ground but I somehow can't come up with a method for it
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>>11451354
> if the women still lack the initiative to get their way in a relationship
Far from the case anon.
>Women have all the security and power to hit on men, or more possibly, "bait" them (read: dress provocatively, flash cleavage/leg, kabedon, or intimidate them into saying yes) into situations where they "confess desire" or "propose" (read: showing interest, being distracted, being flustered or getting aroused), which she can then take as consent.
Or, as likely, different cultures have different perspectives within society.
>In one culture, men traditionally approach women. Women bait men they like the look of, or hurry it along.
>In others, women approach men and woo them more typically. Interest or consent to be woo'd is dubious.
>In other families, men are flat out property, and like the days of old, are traded from mother, to wife, either for family ties, or according to the mother's standards on what girl she likes the look of.
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/gif/ has a "woman raping/abusing men" thread that feels at home here (as said thread is very light on hard abuse) as most of the clips are in line with something such as >>11451065 or >>11449838
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>>11450942
In the Matriarchal world of "A Brother's Price", where women outnumber men 10:1, there really isn't a preferred societal age gap. Instead of marrying a single women, Boys marry groups of 10 or more sisters all at once of a variety of ages. Its very possible that the eldest sister might be beyond her childbearing years while the youngest sister might not even be able to get pregnant. However the eldest sister would be the sole sovereign of the household and have complete freedom to teach and discipline her husband on behalf of the family as she pleases, so age gap relationships would by default consist of a considerably. On the aggregate I'd imagine that the mean age of marriage of boys would be about 12-13, while the mean age of marriage for women would be maybe 24-26, with the Eldest being well into her 30s.
>the wife would be sort of mother figure
I feel like this would be something that women of this world would be concientous to avoid. Say the mothers of the boy need money now, but their only unmarried son still has many years before he can be married and sire children. It would be common for mothers to betroth their son while sending him to live with his new family while they wait for the marriage to be consumated. The problem is, is that if this happpens before his sexual awakening, he might see his future wives as his mothers/sisters which would make sex far more difficult.
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>pic
I was thinking upon this picture (not the content of your post though) and I wonder what if we take this as the sort of basis of male fashion rather than a straight "men wear what is currently female styled clothing". Underwear for men would move towards various fashionable (or sexy if you want to impress your girl I guess) designs of loincloth - they can be made of whatever material, can have an elasticated band, have coloured patterns etc (or be layered for cold environments) but the main point is they cover, not encapsulate. The penis and scrotum are meant to hang as nature intended and wrapped them up in clothing like briefs or boxers is simply unnatural. This in turns ensures no health complications arise by having them constricted in any form by clothing. Plus, y'know, your wife sure enjoys the easy access.
From that rather than straight up skirts something more akin to a kilt would be the most common form of lower covering. This becomes useful especially in colder places where a kilt can be layered to ensure body heat is trapped to keep male genitalia nice and comfy.
If we want to be extra saucy it also enables various forms of sex to be done without the man having to expose neither his penis or his buttocks to anyone other than his gf/wife. If she wants a quicky a decent length kilt will drape over her once in position so nobody else gets to see. Same goes for a quick blowjob she can get under there just fine. I suppose also if the material is thin/light enough there is no way an erection is being hidden by that which opens up over avenues of fantasy.
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>>11451351
>Be you.
>One of the very few men out there to actually go to University and NOT the attached finishing school.
>Find out that your course has twice-weekly exercise time slots, to make sure students are staying healthy.
>Pick Swimming, because it's probably the safest, all things considered.
>Your options to preserve your modesty:
>Swimming Leotard. 'Form fitting' to cut down on swimming drag, but not so tight as to 'crush you'. Which means it's a skin-tight, high hipped number that is so thin as to show everything, nipples to nuts, and basically hides nothing. Especially if you happen to be more endowed than the designers considered for, in developing the crotch. May go semi-transparent, if exposed to water.
>Swimming dress. Basically a lycra cocktail dress. Similar to the leotard, but the bottom is a tight-fitting skirt that clings to your body, and reaches a finger or two below the ass. Only a small bulge visible, not so thin, and it's streamlined, but it's ludicrously, dangerously short as otherwise the elastic material would bind your legs, and moving your legs too far apart runs the risk of the tight material exposing everything, by very quickly deciding it just wants to be a top now. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to find something with crotch netting, so you won't hang out the bottom.
>Beach skirt/dress. Loose fitted, 2/3rds thigh length, double-layered skirt with a drawstring. Only thing that isn't skintight or too clingy, but will drag a lot. More designed for beachgoing, dips off of boats, and lounging around at pool parties than actual swimming. Also, loose skirts don't like the weightlessness of water, and can tend to float around.
Choose wisely.
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>>11452402
Altered male fashion makes sense, especially in regards to 'covering, not encapsulating'.
My personal thoughts.
>Skirts would need to be/traditionally be below-the-knee affairs. Otherwise, you're risking flashing everyone when you sit down, doubly so with no proper underwear. Of course, to the modern female gaze skirts this long are so unimpressive.
>Some more conservative, or pragmatic people might wear a stiff layer between loincloth and skirt around the hips, to prevent any unwanted erections from visibly showing to any girl baiting for one. It's just a method passed from man to man to keep safe, though certain fashions and activities don't allow for it.
>Similarly, because of the particulars of men's fashion, certain clothes made for certain activities (sports, physical hobbies, swimming ala >>11452449) are all to various extents, a balance between too impractical (can't swim in a near knee length skirt very well) or far too lewd and degrading to wear.
>This is not seen as a problem as everyone knows men should be pretty, keep themselves elegantly to the sidelines of physicality, and ideally not leave the kitchen at all.
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Its essentially an Austen-esque romance novel, except its set in a world where there are 10 women for every 1 man. I won't spoil it for you but the plot centres around a 16 year old boy named Jerin going through a bunch of trials and tribulations to get married to a family far above his stations. I would be thrilled to be mistaken here, but I'm pretty sure "A Brother's Price" is the only really sober take on what a gender imbalanced Matriarchy would look like, with everything from alterned notions of gender roles to the core instituions that make up society.
However its still a book that places a big emphasis on sexuality, as it takes place mostly from the perspective of a male, where his "sexuality" is the focal point of his life. Many concepts that fit right into this thread are fully fleshed out. Cribs, Husband Raiding, Sororal Polygyny and extreme male-centred Purity culture rule society. There are many amazing stories about it on AO3 that you could check out though. I'd write much more but I have an essay due in about 18 hours so I'll probably write later.
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>>11452791
Interesting. I had a similar idea (though my concept was way hornier).
In my society 10% of the population is male. These are "free" to pursuit a relationship with any woman but are obligated to give sexual services to other women in the name of population. Most boys would dress and act as females until puberty to avoid grooming, they would be taught on special schools that would indoctrinate them in matriarchy, it would teach them how to function in a society by and for women and how to archieve happiness through conformity.
Prostitution would be the main livelihood of men, that and financial support from the wife. Some cute/attractive men would be saved from the burden of prostitution by their wealthy wives (although obviously, they would have to repay in marital duties) and that's what most boys strive for.
Men can have other jobs but they still have to "contribute to society" when it's time to populate.
And no one wants to hire a man:
>>"They aren't made to work"
>>"He would distract my other employees"
>>"It would be awkward to have a man in the office"
>>"If I hire him I can't joke about men anymore"
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>>11452964
I wonder if such a scenario would - for want of a better term - normalise being a lesbian. After all if two women want to get it on and are interested in men that is now two less women between (You) and a man. naturally male homosexuality would be a truly unforgivable sin as that would mean (at least) 20 babies not being born.
For a twist/standalone story in such a universe one could come up with some interesting ways to punish a gay man as you can't just lock them up or anything as that doesn't solve the baby problem....unless we take some inspiration from human cattle fetishes and have said gay man milked as a sperm donor because how said sperm is collected doesn't matter, only that it is for artificial insemination.
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>https://archiveofourown.org/works/30424725/chapters/75012633
Probably the best AO3 story I've read in any fandom. Less smutty but the writing dwards the original work.
>https://archiveofourown.org/works/30424725/chapters/75012633
A long, still smutty but also narrative driven fic
>https://archiveofourown.org/works/63456235
The most recent explicitly smutty fic
>>11452977
Nta but I always imagined that inverse "ladyboys" would be an incredibly common sight, and something akin to a societal institution in a gender imbalanced world. Seducing or even raping a young, newly wedded boy would be the dream of almost all women both old and young in such a world, however not only would it be an extremely rare occurace, but in every occurance where it would happen it would considerably destabilise society at large. Boys are born to be fucked, but its incredibly important they be fucked by the right women. A single boy wondering off the reservation could easily fuck dozens of women and spread all kinds of diseases to his entire household (I forgot to mention a significant danger in the world of A Brother's Price).
Thus, prostitution in such a world would by sheer weight of numbers be lead by women pretending to be men. Men in sexual slavery would be common, yet it would be prohibitely expensive per session and be focused soley on impregnnation. Meanwhile, women, both by choice and through force/coercion, would prostitute themselves to other women by pretending to be boys. If you walked down the main street in any city in this world, I bet you'd find far more "gentleman-girls" than you would actual real males.
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Matriarchies where Women are supposed to love and care for Men , being protective of them and they love to service their mistresses , is always hotter than the bog standard humilliation and cruelty shit .Good Mistress , good Submissive/Slave/Pet .
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Yeah, I forgot to mention that. Most women would normalize lesbian intercourse, even straight ones for the sake of sexual relief. Male homosexuality would be dealt with using social pressure, not actually penalized in first world countries since many girls enjoy gay porn and ladies with multiple husbands can make them do each other
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>>11453064
Personally I prefer wider societal apathy, than deliberate love or cruelty.
It feels more realistic of a true matriarchy, where women are in positions of power and men, vulnerability.
It doesn't preclude loving relationships or abusive relationships. If anything, it supports them.
But it's more realistic than a society that's entirely based and built around women's treatment of men, be that loving and caring, or humiliating and cruel. Those, being ultimately centered around men's experiences again, are debatably patriarchies even.
It was why I particularly liked the Sleep Matriarchy premise of several threads back, as the society in it didn't hate men. It just left men behind, to men's detriment, forcing a matriarchy where men basically became unemployable in most jobs, and had to get hitched to a girl. Or break themselves trying to keep up. But no one in charge (women) really noticed or cared because, to their mind, they were just working hard, being more productive, and supporting men anyway.
In a good Matriarchy, there is a specific set of appropriate times and places for a man to be, just as much as there is a specific appropriate set of ways to interact with him, depending on each place, and your relationship. In some cases, there are none.
>In turn, a good man will understand there are specific places where his presence is appropriate, and where it is not. And that, just as there are appropriate and inappropriate ways to treat with him, which he should be mindful of, there are appropriate and inappropriate ways for him to respond to others/women/society, when he is interacted with. And like above, in some cases, there are no appropriate options for him.
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>>11452449
I'd have to go with the swim dress.
Sucks to be>>11452453 but I'm caked up.
So long as there's some strong elastic around the bottom, and it's the right size, that shit ain't riding up.
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>>11454699
it's already like that (source: my sister) but i imagine it would be more more emphasized or encouraged
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>>11453686
I think the idea is more acceptance than apathy
It's "just how things are", as it were, and you just sorta have to live with it
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>>11454800
not into pegging but that is admittedly good to hear anon, I hope you have a fulfilling relationship with each other
>>11453035
Thank you for the recs
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>11454848 (moi)
Hey wait a damn minute the first two links are the exact same, I think you missed one.
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>>11454854
>https://archiveofourown.org/works/35950543/chapters/89625832
You saw nothing...
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>>11454846
Possibly a better way of putting it.
I more meant that society at large, being mostly controlled and directed by women, is mostly unaware or uncaring about the struggles or dangers a man can experience in his life.
Actually, that's a good thing to consider in a Matriarchy.
The perception of men by society, is going to be a female one.
So the way individual men, who've grown up in that society, define men, is going to be intrinsically described from the female gaze.
A fun thought experiment. What do anons think that would look like?
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>>11454948
i think that in that case men would not only stop being seen as the strong gender, but they will be left essentially no culture or representation. This will cause men to grow more submissive and just insecure of what to do in life, most of the workforce would be taken by women and therefore it will reinforce de devaluation of men. Domestic abuse cases get more and more common since males that just lay on their ass all day can't cook or please their hardworking wifes properly.
So most women end up thinking of men as good for nothing leechs that only serve for sex
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>>11454985
>Male culture.
I imagine there'd be some. Small groups of house husbands spending their free time (which is always seen as 'a lot' by women, but never quite enough to do anything big) gossiping or doing low-prep, socially acceptable hobbies (easy sports, coffee, book clubs, shopping etc).
However I imagine that a good portion of their perception and ranking of their male friends (not to mention themselves) would be analogous to how they're perceived by women.
>"God, Sam's such a whore, walking around in that skirt in publi-oh hiiii!"
>"Don't you think you shouldn't be eating that? You're getting a bit pudgy around the midsection dude."
>"I guess Jake's Wife just likes her men with a mutt-y side..."
>Domestic abuse.
Probably. Objecting to it would be impractical, not only because they're providing for you, but also because no one with the power to do much would be aware or sympathetic to the difficulties of male life.
Stop a woman hitting a man in front of her? Yes.
Talk to a decent looking woman that a man accuses of abusing him? Not so much.
After all, men are sensitive creatures, prone to foolish anxieties. Presumably she was just tired, and he had burnt dinner.
>Representation.
Actually, that's another good thing to consider, because there would probably be some kind of male representation in popular culture (tv, films and media and the like). Though for all it's impact to men, it'd be undoubtedly targeted toward women.
>'Good men', who are beautiful, eloquent, submissive and loyal, who help the protagonist out of loyalty, despite being underpowered.
>'Bad men', who are (sometimes) ugly, loud, arrogant, disloyal, and use looks and schemes to accrue dangerous amounts of power, but are mostly easily defeated by female characters and corrected.
>Everything male receiving a hefty dose of sex appeal and fanservice as defining character traits.
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Looking at the Brother's Price world and similar ones with the skewed ratios (or even just ones with reversed roles in general), I wonder what sort of things the women there would do for the sake of more easily available men... Imagine being a hapless son of a hidden village where the gender ratios stayed closer to 50/50 getting abruptly introduced to the outside when a bunch of desperate, brutish, lecherous soldiers finally stumble upon the place, calling it a "paradise of easy men" and only being prevented from enslaving everybody there because they're fighting each other over who gets which boys, and whether or not they should tell their bosses or look for a way to hoard the secret (and every boy in the village) to themselves...
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The RPG mage boys WILL look like strippers and you WILL play as them
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>>11455403
>I wonder what sort of things the women there would do for the sake of more easily available men
One development I always found inevitable in such a state would be the rise of female-led Horde states, polities oriented from the ground up toward plundering towns and cities and primarily kidnapping males. A Brother's Price spends a lot of time talking about "Husband Raiding", but that was treated in that work as mostly a domestic issue, however I think that it would become a much bigger historical feature should such a world be allowed to naturally develop.
I'd imagine that for perhaps the first tens of thousands of years in human history warfare would primarily exist as small to medium scale husband raids, to the point where it becomes a large staple of human evolutionary psychology. Boys being born into group A, being stolen away by group B, only to be stolen away again a few years later by group C, then ultimately being stolen BACK to group A this time as an adult would be incredibly common occurances and visible in the genetic makeup of the population. Ritual Warfare would becomethe societal norm (as it was for us), where fighting exists as part of an underlying agreement to share boys.
However eventually a specific group of peoples utilising a new technology arrives (maybe horsebackriding, the Atlatl, or the bow) comes along and wipes out all these petty groups, slaughtering the women and repopulating their land with their stolen sons/husbands/brothers, forming huge proto-empires akin to the Hunnic empire with a huge (relative) imbalance of men, maybe even 50/50?
These groups would probably also form the impetus by which complex civilisations would form. Poor farmers living in this world's cradle of civilisation band together, developing walled permanent cities, agriculture, and standing armies to protect whatever males they may have. Civilisations would form in the wake of these huge female-led plundering, raping socities.
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>>11455486
You can really get a lot of mileage out of scenarios like these. You could have the equivalent of a female-led "Vaes Dothrak", a nomadic city populated by five-foot, poor, naive, traumatized farmboys and their six-foot Sythian kidnapper. Boys who'd never even held a girl's hand having their families slaughtered and being ridden every night by huge Amazonian women. Some developments I'd find inevitable.
>Boys would be branded upon capture with a "Tagma symbol" like livestock upon capture, customised to the specific tribe who captured the boy
>Each freeborn rider would have her own personal boy as a slave along with a large retinue of captured female slaves
>Rival Khanates splitting off from larger ones would often come into combat with each other over plunder, thus there being formal agreements over rights over raiding particular areas
>Similarily to the Chinese mentality surrounding the various Mongol, Jurchen, Turkic, and Kazhak nomads who sacked China, these hordes would remain an existential threat in the minds of people until very late in the relative socio-economic development of civilisation
>Boys being expected to love not just the children born to their rapists but their rapists themselves would become the societal requirement
>If cities become strong enough, they could form tribute agreements where a percentage of the young boys of a town are given as tribute every year in lieu of raiding
What I love about this fetish is just how far you can run with one particular idea if you are willing to dig deep enough. I considered doing a mega post here about the evolutionary-biology aspect on these societies, however last time it got removed for being off-topic.
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In a skewed gender ratio world I can see when out in public a man/boy having his wives/gf/sisters/mother(s) (pick as appropriate for the age of the male in question) surround him like a moat around a castle as they go about their business. Not only does this keep lots of heads on the swivel for any ne'er-do-well wanting to get their hands on him, it also keeps him physically out of sight and perhaps most importantly it represents how he needs ot be nurtured. Don't worry your little head husband of mine you stay in the middle and worry not, me and your other wives will worry about the big bad world for you.
A mix of practical and display of female power over their male.
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>>11455504
Imagine the stress of being a mother to more than one son, knowing she can't have enough hands from her own family to shield them all...
Hands that would be worth it in a fight at least. Of course she knows she can't trust the boys to protect themselves from a bunch of rowdy, ravenous girls...
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>>11455497
I'd love to be captured by one such woman and made into her little bitch. I wonder if such a woman would use men in the traditional male-female sense or take on a more masculine role by penetrating such a male.
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>>11455486
>However eventually a specific group of peoples utilising a new technology arrives (maybe horsebackriding, the Atlatl, or the bow) comes along and wipes out all these petty groups, slaughtering the women and repopulating their land with their stolen sons/husbands/brothers, forming huge proto-empires akin to the Hunnic empire with a huge (relative) imbalance of men, maybe even 50/50?
Although unlike with women who can only get pregnant from 1 man, raiding bands could keep a hapless slave to be milked over and over until the entire tribe is pregnant. I think something has to change on this or you'll find that they won't need many men, just a powerful virile one to keep them all satisfied.
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>>11455672
Yes but like what, 5 males or 10 males tops and they have the luxury of getting the 1% of the manliest, genetically superior breeding bulls. There has to be something that prevents them from simply keeping a few studs and not massacring/castrating the rest...unless that's what is desired in this world.
Castrated males as pack animals and only the fittest bulls kept for breeding.
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>>11452449
Definitely the short dress, but I would prefer some sort of short skirt plus crop top, purely because I would be a brat that would try to entice my classmates and teacher, and pretend not to understand what I was doing.
"oh, oops, sorry if I accidentally flashed everyone"
>>11454699
Most women like men with good asses, like IRL, so I definitely imagine it would be popular with women.
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>>11450942
Hot, females should always be older than males in a perfect matriarchal society, that I could imagine the age gaps between males and females with the female being the older one actually causes higher states of arousal unlike same age couples.
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Love the concept of milking racks. All matriarchies should use them.
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>>11455683
Hot. Older females dominating younger males is indeed desirable.
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>>11455676
I feel like people really underestimate the emotional bond a woman would have towards her man a gender imbalanced world. Access to males would be incredibly hard to comeby, thus only the women who are the most "passionate" towards men would reproduce. I say "passionate" rather than "lustful", because there would be so much more desire that comes with possessing a man that goes far beyond sex.
Despite ruthlessly subjugating men, women would desperately seek out male validation and attention. Women would have a fundamental dispositon within their brain chemistry to monopolise men at every opportunity. Mostly that would be done through coercing, such as trying to become your husband's favourite wife (which would be the primarily lever upon which males would wield any kind of agency), but also through violence, pulling a "Cane and Abel" when your sister/co-wife is asleep. Women who wouldn't be willing to devote almost all their waking energy to this ruthless competition would simply not reproduce, resulting in a greater homogenisation of female behaviour.
Even putting aside the incredile societal force of female desire to monopolise males that would run through society, there are other reasons why singular women would want their partners to be as exclusive as possible. One such reason would be the risk of STDs, which "A Brother's Price" handles really well. If you have a world where 1 male impregnates 100 females, you've unknowingly created an STD superspreader. All it takes is for ONE woman to get Syphillis, for her to infect her man, and for that man to infect 100 women. Not only that, but far more viscious strains of STDs would inevitably develop given the opportunity. Sure, in a contemporary/future world this would be easy to manage, but you have to create a matriarchy that not just exists into the future, but also survives into the past. Think about how an Iron-Age hill fort would deal with this, and project that onto the modern day.
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>>11455697
Its the natural order of things that younger males breed and pregnant older females making them into super mommies.
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>>11455701
A bold opening scene.
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>>11455705
I didn't really like that manga all that much in true honesty. Call me a fag but I tend to prefer my male characters to be attractive if its a smutty work. I have no problem with unattractive characters in fiction, but seeing unattractive characters in erotic fiction just turns me off, male or female.
The gender imbalanced world in my head is ruled by sensitive, neotenous, hung twinks with long flowing thick hair that doesn't recede when they turn 25.
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>>11455718
As i'm reading it it seems to switch between big tiddy warrior women running the place and then suddenly its fucking guts from berserk.
Though if he got called the 100 whore slayer that would be a twist.
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I want to live in >>11455486, a world of Amazon warriors where despite all my efforts to fight them off, I'll be defeated and carried like an animal to be milked over and over.
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You know thinking about horror things I just imagined a story about a cosmic horror that gets depowered into a twink boy and is sent to a matriarchal world where the women are powerful and magical while the men are mostly house husbands. Which throughout the story the MC would slowly get back his eldritch power while he's being chased by multiple powerful women, that I'm taking some inspiration from the Mort theory by the Theorizer for the story, also the main character's true form would be close to slaanesh-like where it would be both beautiful and horrifying at the same time where you can't look away.
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>>11455740
I like the idea of being mind raped by a Mindflayer but not of the male recovering power. The idea looks like a cheap power fantasy for losers.
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>>11455779
Well I do have alternative ideas for how the recovery stuff happens, that does he return to his eldritch throne in the void of lonely space or will he chose the life under a powerful mistress with actual friends and a family to call his own, that there would be a dilemma in the story rather than a basic power fantasy story.
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>>11455734
Fuck this is so good.
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>>11455779
Mindflayers truly are the mommydom matriarchs of the MGE universe.
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>>11455497
This gets my autism going every time I see it because shame though it is there is no evolutionary science in which such an extreme sex ration for large mammals can make sense.
This is because of Fisher’s principle. To put it simply, if the sex ratio is skewed then the selective benefit of individuals who produce more of the rarer sex is so extreme that they would overtake the population swiftly. That is to say, in this case if you had more male offspring they in turn would reproduce way more than female offspring and spread that more male making gene far and wide. In a matter of a few generations, you’d be back to 50:50. Few animals get around this and most of the ones that do it to an extreme like ants are invertebrates and have some extreme physiological controls on their sexes functions to make it work.
No effect on the thread, it’s just not plausible from an evo perspective.
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>>11455862
I actually addressed Fisher's principle in the thread after last, but it got removed for being off topic. In short though, Fisher's principle states that the sex ratio is contingent upon the share of genetic material passed on to offspring by each respect parent. A sex ratio of 50:50 is not a fundamental constant of nature, its merely a product of the fact that all sexually reproducing animals pass on DNA at a ratio of 50:50. Thus, if you could invent some way of imbalancing the inheritance of DNA, then you could sustainably imbalance sex ratios.
One way I like doing this is by having the majority of a parent's DNA being passed onto offspring DEPENDING ON ITS SEX. For example, if two organisms produce a female, then the female has 85% of her mother's DNA while 15% of her fathers. If they produce a male, then the male has 85% of his father's DNA while 15 of her mothers. This way, not only could a species sustain imbalanced sex ratios, they could use it to greatly outcompete their evolutionary competitors as their population grows exponentially, rather than linerally (provided more females than males).
This would be a very early on evolution, occuring about 2 billion years ago and altering all life, however it wouldn't be impossible. All animals we see today trace their origin to the two cells that shared genetic material 50:50 that long ago, if they just so happened to do it 85:15/15:85 then that would be possible.
>jannies I don't want to type it out again
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>>11455879
>Literally in your DNA from billions of years of reproductive tradition to be the family bicycle for insanely possessive amazoness sister-wives
Which would you fear worse, the possibility of wrung dry, or that running dry would be a mercy you could never have by inescapable nature?
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>>11455219
>For the men:
>It's a sign of good morals to stick loyally to your wife. To endeavor to please and serve her, as she serves you, and to forgive and forget any slip ups you have along the way.
>For the women (in public).
>It's a sign of good morals to stick loyally to your husband. To endeavor to please and provide for him, as he serves you, and to forgive and forget any slip ups you have along the way.
>For the women (in the pub).
>It's quite normal to have a 'work husband' and a 'home husband'.
>Women have the drive to secure different genetic donors, for different children. It's natural.
>It's fine to want something a little different after a time. What he doesn't know, or know for certain, won't hurt him.
>Something something smooth operator Playgirl.
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>Turn up to practice.
>Accept the fact you're poolside schlickbait, and play up the part to get out of hard exercise and wind them all around your finger.
>Make sure you find a way to get changed early each time, so they can't corner you in the barely used male changing rooms.
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>>11455900
How would such a society see women on men violence? Would it be okay for a girl to hit a man if he misbehaves or just because she's having a stressful day? If they are amazons like >>11455497 it'd be scary to get her angry during her period.
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>>11455879
There’s a good reason why that didn’t happen on earth though, the potential for failure due to the death of all of the rarer sex in a population is too high to be viable over deep time.
Also it needs the sex ratio to be 100% fixed. It’s actually not. But in practice it is for most animals because the moment there’s any variance, fisher’s kicks in and you’re back at 50:50 pretty soon.
The rest is even more impossible. DNA doesn’t work that way.
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>>11455947
85:15 was on the more extreme end of the spectrum but an inheritance 2:1 would not be implausible at all. Organisms who for what ever reason have high error rates easily develop robust ways of working around them, and should a feature like this become a mainstay they would have no problem adapting to it.
I always imagined that the ratio would end up as extreme as 10:1 through the biased inheritance, but also societal factors that result in females dying before reproducing. Just like how dolphins kill the young of others to remove competition, females from birth to their death would be in constant danger from other females.
Anyway I'm at work rn so I'll keep it short and sweet.
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>>11455941
I imagine it'd be mostly the "for his own good" sort of thing. You know, trying to claim independence, trying to run away, refusing to accept he's a husband... Just getting upset and hitting him over a slight is bad, but if you say he's been disobedient enough people may excuse it. He's just not broken in yet, they say, so he has to be taught a few more lessons.
More importantly, men are considered to have consented to sex by way of being male and able to ejaculate, so violence is also acceptable if he tries to deny a woman who wants him, provided he isn't married or owned already.
Since rape involves making him feel good for accepting being helpless and doing what comes naturally as a stupid toy for his betters, I imagine it's more common as a corrective measure than simple slappings or beatings in most places. Just wring enough loads out of a guy and he'll eventually get your message, no need to bruise any part of him above the belt.
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>>11455987
Very hot idea. Imagine the body horror of being captured and raped by Amazon's, and knowing that with each new womb you fill up you create one more psedo-clone of your rapists.
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>>11455987
Well, asides from the fact that stacking that much DNA on the X and Y Chromosomes is insane and basically makes the two sexes different species that use each other two mate (and what happens if one species becomes maladaptive and dies off?), it’s honestly a complete red herring. That still has nothing to do with the manner in which dna determines sex.
Far simpler for sex to be not chromosome dependent at all, but hormonally driven like in clownfish, ants, or turtles. They have the tools genetically to do either but the situation decides which they do.
Or get an imbalanced sex ratio via female parthenogenesis. Insects like stick bugs do this, as well as some lizards. Sexual reproduction with males is still preferred, but if none are available then the female will just clone herself; better luck to the next generation. I rather like that one.
Either way, neither of those are humans at that point. Might as well be talking about humanoid aliens, which is interesting but not usual for this thread. Which is why I generally just prefer an Amazonian female world, where the evolutionary pressure for larger women came as a way to reduce the high rate of miscarriage and death in childbirth we have as humans due to our big stupid brain cages.
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>>11455996
What I've been saying
You want them to stop, and for them to stop using you and making more rapists, but your body consents every time and gives them exactly what they want. They probably taunt you while they ruin you, saying you're just as responsible for the baby-making as they are, teasing them by withholding as much as possible so they're forced to wring it out of you.
I think I remember a doujin where a guy gets kidnapped by a succubus and when he cums inside her, he finds out the hard way that the average succubus forms at least one new fully-physically matured succubus out of a magical energy cloud mere minutes after sex, and ends up overwhelmed with barely-intelligent, rape-obsessed lesser succubi constantly spawning into a horde as they make him ejaculate over and over again...
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>>11456001
>but if none are available then the female will just clone herself; better luck to the next generation. I rather like that one.
While perhaps veering away from this point it reminds me of the dark eldar from warhammer 40k. The relevant part here is they are big into cloning to keep their numbers up but there are a number of them that are the result of natural births (and are given the moniker trueborn). Where this ties into this thread somewhat is the idea could be that while all males are trueborn females that are would be seen (mostly by themselves but likely the wider society as well) as superior for being born the natural way and that could introduce additional elements to the setting (like keeping an unbroken chain of natural births for a family). Jenny MkII as it were is common stock but susan, daughter of liz and dave is prime stock and thus gets first pick of the men around her, or something like that.
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>>11455993
Guess it also helps that men tend to be very happy after ejaculating so its a good way to "sedate him" so to speak. Would be funny if women accrue men misbehaving as a case of "male hysteria" and prescribe some prostate massage as a fix.
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>>11456001
>Either way, neither of those are humans at that point. Might as well be talking about humanoid aliens, which is interesting but not usual for this thread.
nta but humanoid aliens sounds more in line with what the other anon is saying
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Just make all women into sexy mini-giantesses so they have to be dominant unless you know you have those types of towering women that want to be cut down like a tree if you know what I mean.
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>>11456264
Men would be content and docile if they had a giant baddie to call their own where there would be no more wars.
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>TFW You will never be surprised by your private security/bodyguard wife when she comes home early from protecting a client, and having her take her stress out on you.
Truly the worst timeline
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>>11456009
Was thinking the same thing, though with more using an onahole and restraints
Imagine a woman looking down in confusion at her whimpering husband after going through 2 cans of Juice That Makes Boys Cum Really Hard, a dozen condoms, and most of her super-strength penis-milking fleshlight's battery life, just to see her husband is *still* deliriously insisting he's not her husband and that she's raping him. But she just sighs, replaces the batteries and figures a few more orgasms might set him straight. Just a few more.
>>11456269
The baddies would be doing the calling and claiming, anon, remember
>>11456371
The desire for a hip-bruising, life-ruining sex session from an unhinged dom is seemingly universal
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>>11455990
Repeating something I said from an earlier thread here but I feel like if the change in balance of power happened due to some intrinsic change- say, a process that turns women into ultra-thick, superstrong succubi- begins to spread around, and the status quo before was to assume women are at least generally more passive, much weaker, and much less interested in sex, action, and all the things guys like... Wouldn't that lead to a lot of problems with the boosted women suddenly having all the power they could have asked for but not necessarily any of the experience of living with it?
Especially if it comes with any mental changes. The real-life tendency of a lot of people to relentlessly self-victimize and rationalize hurting everyone around them is horrific enough, but I think in women it finds a deeper foothold because of a lot of assumptions people make gender-wise that can encourage that thinking and discourage confronting it, while men are more likely to be (appropriately) told off for it, and less likely to be good at painting themselves in particular as being helpless.
So the newborn succubi are surrounded by people telling them that their pursuit of whatever they want is admirable, and that the guys they want to fondle probably want it anyways, and the main reason they'd ever have to be restraining themselves is only for their own safety as vulnerable and weak creatures, and never really for somebody else, especially stupid pervy men... It'd be the ultimate environment to let a gestating instinct for rape and predation and domination to grow completely out of control.
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>>11456268
I imagine there'd be a pretty strong 'You don't hit men' culture, if men are around 5'6, and every woman is over 7ft.
Just as strong as the matriarchy involved, given few women would be interested in giving equal rights to a portion of the population who literally don't fully go through puberty properly, or biologically don't develop as much as women do.
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>>11456552
There is a strong don't hit women culture in many societies today, doesn't stop barry punching the missus when england loses the world cup for example.
Yes, there is a correlation between increased domestic abuse and sportsball teams losing big events.
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>>11456583
>Two dudes in suits in a James Bond style clash of wits trying to sabotage the football team of the other guy's wife, knowing no pain they go through in their duel can compare to the beatings their wives will give them as soon as the match outcome is called in the wrong team's favor
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>>>/aco/
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!!!
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>>11456431
I want to breed with big dominant baddies.
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>>11456756
Same
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>>11456264
Things would be lovely if men had women they could climb on like trees.
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>>11456583
True. I just imagine that it'd be a lot more extreme, given the more extreme sexual dimorphism between a twink and an amazon than a man and a woman irl.
Still, as much as it'd be unchivalrous, there'd always be a portion of modernists who believe in 'equal rights, equal lefts'.
Namely, uppity men who, despite physically not maturing the whole way to true adulthood (unlike women), start talking back to women too much like they're to be respected. They might deserve a little slap to remind them of their proper place.
>Getting drunk in the club.
>Suspect you see a girl trying shit on with a friend of yours.
>Confront her about it.
>She looks vaguely nonplussed about it, so you get in her face more.
>Probably state some things you didn't need to say about her character, probably didn't need to physically try shove her or try slap her drink away to get it across.
>Next think you know, you're face first into a wall five meters away. Your legs are jelly, and you physically can't find down.
>Feels like you got hit by a bus, to one side of your face.
>You've been hit by a man before but never a woman.
>The... sheer force is unreal.
>Get laughed out as you recover your bearings and walk off. Don't even care, mind to preoccupied with thoughts of what it was like to get hit.
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>>11456775
I saw a webm about a slav woman arguing at a bar and try to shove one of the guards only to get pimp slapped to oblivion...it was awesome. I can see that being done to a man who gets too uppity or thinks he can disrespect a superior because she "would never hit a man"
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Paizuri threats...
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>>11456775
Once fully endowed and amazonified, a woman doesn't even have to lay a finger on you to knock you out...
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>remember not to show weakness or vulnerability in front of your girlfriends, anons
>not because it gets them upset at you for not being their rock, that was more of a thing immature girls from before the change happened would go through
>it turns changed women on too much and activates the primal part of them that makes them prey on vulnerable men and demands that they rape you senseless while the opportunity's there
>no red-blooded woman could pass up an opportunity to have a man whimpering and hard underneath her, even if she desperately tries to deny it, and especially when she already thinks of that man as 'hers'
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>>11457170
So amazonian sized yanderes?
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>>11457506
Not just yanderes but animalistic ones that are prone to thinking with their pussy
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>>11457757
>Men bear no biological reproductive burden.
>Sex ed is all about the woman keeping herself safe from her desires. Remembering contraceptives and the like.
>Actually considering the male's opinions on the matter is a distant, and somewhat debated, secondary.
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>>11455219
IRL, monogamy norms are all downstream of guys not wanting to raise another guy's kid. Women obviously don't have the problem of not knowing if a kid is theirs or not, so in a matriarchy I'd expect there to be less concern over monogamy.
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>>11457902
There are more, unfortunately, only the first volume was translated. I do have the link to the raws though, if anyone can translate the other 3 volumes.
https://mega.nz/#F!NQF3gRab!zngW968NdoD5dfkvQWq3Ow
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>>11457903
And stupid me realizes that the link is 7 years old and not there anymore. FUCK. Well, I still have them.
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>>11457906
It was always fascinating to have a "femgaze" version of a Matriarchy. Even though it was written by a Man, it somehow feels to capture the essence of sexuality that women percieve/experience. It captures a far more wholesome element of a Matriarchal society than other ideas from anons ITT.
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>>11457983
i'm never sure what angle to make my greentexts here because some people like fucked up and bruta; stories and others like it wholesome and sweet
show of hands, what kind of story do you want me to write?
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>>11458014
I'm not sure i'd truly go for the deep end of sweet but I certainly prefer things more akin to a traditional gender role swap world rather than some of the examples here of amazonian rapists which are not for me.
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>>11457983
God women are such perverts. They only want one thing and it is disgusting.
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>>11458014
Woman tired of feeling weak and helpless takes some voluntary treatment to become a monstergirl because it's a cool new thing people figure out how to do, and ends up a foot taler with rabbit ears and boosted strength and speed, to the point of being able to overpower her bf. She then becomes increasingly chauvinistic, perverse, and predatory in her behavior, not noticing or acknowledging it until the end, at which point she has fully rationalized it all and no longer cares.
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>>11458014
I'm kinda in the middle where I like towering yandere mommydoms that kidnap the smaller men around them to make them their own, but instead of fear when they get captured the smaller men are into it and get kidnapped willing.
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>>11449168
I just want to be loved gently and taken care of, made to feel special and cute, have her fawn over me while she pampers me endlessly with the sweetest soft things.
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Humidity's rising
Barometer's getting low
According to all sources
The street's the place to go
'Cause tonight for the first time (First time)
Just about half-past ten (Half-past ten)
For the first time in history
It's gonna start raining men (Start raining men)
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>>11458014
I wanna get WINED and DINED, brother. I want a woman to open the door for me. I want a woman say I look beautiful tonight. I want a woman to place a hand on the small of my back as she leads me to our table. I want a woman to pull my seat out for me. I want a woman to order for me before I even have a chance to speak. I want a woman to make me laugh over an exquisite meal. I want a woman to pay for the entire bill. I want a woman to lead me to the taxi where she holds me close as we ride to my place. I want a woman to walk me to my door. I want a woman to tell me she wants to see me again. I want to give a woman a goodbye kiss before telling her to call me the next day and slipping inside my house. I want to fall asleep thinking of what her hands would feel like, firm yet gentle as she ravishes me.
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>>11458271
I want to get taken to a bar by an performative female sturggling musician, roofied and fucking RAPED. I want a woman to TAKE ADVANTAGE of me nad lie about it the next day. I want to shower for 2 hours after coming home from his apartment because I feel fucking DISGUSTING. Afterward I want to post quotes from the male Andrea Dworkin on Tumblr because I am fucking TRAUMATIZED.
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Small assets too. I mean, that doesn’t have to change except in tone. Big tits, hips, and ass are key for raking in and pleasing the men. Though that’s a bit different because it can be cultivated over a lifetime of breeding and rich eating. But that only makes it more of a status symbol of power and virility.
I mean you look at a scrawny little young lady it’s like, what’s she even got to pin her lover down with? All skin and bones, he’ll squirm right out! But a thick, “Venus bodied” MILF? One look at her and you KNOW she fucks.
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>>11458549
Now I'd like to bully a skinny petite bitch. Would she be complaining about the sexual market and how no man pays attention to her?
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>>11458549
The cum of men make the women thick and strong, that is the sacrifice us men have to make to create the most powerful women in existence is making our cum potent enough by what we eat, how submissive we are and how commended we are to bringing forth dommy mommies into reality.
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What would the views on anal sex be, for women and men? Vaginal amazon is to dominate, but what exactly would be the views on anal amazon? Rimjobs? Anal fingering during a blowjob. Anal finger while getting eaten out?
What about squirting? Would men hate it?
>"My girlfriend always wants to give me a facial and I hate it. She watches too much porn."
>"Stacy pressured me to let her ride my face in between classes and I couldn't say no. It's so humiliating being in class after that and no knowing if you cleaned up everything thoroughly. Fucking hate Stacy she only calls me for head."
Also, would love to see what we think about males and the weakness of their genitalia.
>"There's no way men can compete against women in combat sports or even go to war, one kick in between their legs and they might as well be dead for the next few hours!"
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>What about squirting? Would men hate it?
Sorta related to your post but I always loved a world where squirting was an intended physical function in women's bodies, rather than an unintended side effect of the female orgasm. Female ejaculate would be different from male ejaculate in the sense that its not required for reproduction, and far more is emitted per orgasm. Female ejaculate would be a solution filled with phermones and strong smelling chemicals that would serve to "mark" a man to others. After having sex, women would be able to discern how long ago a man had sex and which specific woman he had sex with just by smell.
Imagine how powerful recieving cunnilingus from a man would feel, knowing that other women would know how you squirted on his face not too long ago.
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>>11455879
You are right to say that the disproportionate inheritance of genes is a plausible attribute to evolve, and that if it did it would alter Fisher's Principle to whatever the respective inheritance ratio is, but you're wrong to say that 85%:15% for mother to daughter, and 85%:15% for father to son would be allow a species with imbalanced sex to sustainably exist. With such a distribution both sexes would have an equal chance of passing on genetic material on the aggregate, only that it would vary far more between person to person. Having 5 or 10 women for every 1 man would be just as unsustainable for them as it would for us. If you want females to outnumber males then you have to give females the absolute genetic advantage when it comes to offspring. The female parent should have an 80:20 share of in heritance for both male and female offspring, only then could an imbalanced ratio be sustained.
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>>11455276
The representation section here kind of gets it. Men who help you out and serve you cutefully and faithfully are precious.
I find the focus on frequency of sexual encounters here to be a lot more about serving male fantasies than female needs. The freedom to make moves on non-threatening men is nice, but what's really valuable and desirable from men is hard work, refinement, patience, and a strong capacity for usefulness.
Even at skewed populations, it isn't that hard to find someone to help you make a baby, and you only really need him once.
Rather, I think it is important for women to be selective in sexual encounters, to choose men who can support their daughters well, and to have sons who are selfless, understanding, and useful rather than too lazy or unhelpfully horny.
I align with wanting female power to shape the purpose and position of men, and selecting for a maleness that sees itself as an accessory to the real people is a good start, but I think men who focus their resources on being available and above all being practical supports are really the ones who would be the ideal mates.
Please work hard to earn your preciousness!
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>>11459565
Kinda generic assertion to make desu. Could say this about either gender in any society. Including men in a patriarchal society. For your uselessness in this thread you will be relegated to the brothel to be cheap amusement for ugly hags and femcels.
>>11458531
Come to think of it i really am just wanting the freaky possessive rapist dynamic in those books but with the genders reversed. And with slightly better writing.
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>>11458289
Is it too much to ask for both?
For a woman to so clearly be out for her own pleasure in a relationship, but be committed and dedicated enough to still be drawn in?
For a woman to tell me specifically what daring arrangement I'm going to wear. To pick me up at a designated point on a motorcycle?
To take me to a side of town I'd never been to, and been warned not to go near late at night, and take me on a tour of the sights. To open the door and walk me into to a dive bar I'd never visit alone, and order for the both of us because she "knows what I'll like".
For her real intentions to be almost painfully obvious. But for her blunt enthusiasm, eagerness to please, and the time being genuinely enjoyable enough to make me want to stay.
For the first three drinks in the bar to turn into a fourth and fifth at a nearby pub. Then six and seven at a rave. Street food, then eight nine and ten elsewhere.
For her to lead me to a club, where it's known to not be safe for men alone, but for her to make me feel so safe that I can forget myself in the strobing lights and throbbing bassline as I grind on her, and feel her hands on me.
For her to lead me to a dark lit place, a bathroom or back alley, and take advantage of my drunken, giddy state. As had always been the plan. And for my head to be too spinny, and too out of my own mind, to consider stopping her.
For her to stop every block and dark alley of the slow walk back, for a kiss or a grope or a hand job as she wants more, even as I sober up to the reality of the night, and the forcefulness of her advances.
For her to leave me at my door, with a slap on the ass and a myriad of shivering lewd comments about me and my body.
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>>11459621
Theoretical fetish worldbuilding offers surprising insights into male-female psychology, it turns out.
>>11459565
You offer good points.
As per the origins of the thread, a lot of the material within is 'male centric'. It's inevitably based around the male perspective, even though it's about a Matriarchy.
This can lead to bad theorycraft, as a Matriarchy in actuality would be 'Woman centric' with men being servant to that, and not the other way around.
Arguably, the latter would be a Patriarchy, even if a weird masochistic one.
>women to be selective in sexual encounters
That's why I figured it still made sense for men to petition women for relationships, as much as women petition men.
Women have the social security to petition men, but men have the biological role to play suitor, assuming reasonable quantities of men.
>men who focus their resources on being available and above all being practical supports are really the ones who would be the ideal mates.
Correct, and these can be 'selected for' in film and media.
Depicting good boys/men, who
>Can cook well.
>Will clean if left alone.
>Always attentive to the needs of others around him.
>Always polite, eloquent and soft spoken. Never swears.
>Good with children.
>Very patient.
>Devotes time and energy to maintaining himself well. Not for sex appeal, but to display himself well as an accessory, and reflect well on the woman in his life, be that girlfriend, wife or mother.
>Shrewd and intelligent. Very good at problem solving and figuring out how to unburden people of their problems, without calling attention to himself.
>Fiscally responsible, though he never actually handles money.
>Avoids doing traditionally womanly things, unless there's an urgent need.
There are further insights to think of, about male perception of self/masculinity/purpose.
Perhaps different male performative/rebellious cultural groups or identities that could form organically?
But I must away for now.
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>>11459441
Now that you write it out it seems completely obvious. I don't know how I didn't pick up on that before, despite actually researching how such a world could be sustainted long-term. I suppose I was drawn to that idea more as it allows humans to evolve far more nuanced sexually dimorphic traits, but the autism comes first when getting my dick hard. Giving women the lions share of inheritance for both male and female offspring is hot in its own regard though. Your proposal really ties in to what >>11455996 says, where husbands are be tormented by seeing their sweet, special sons inherit the eyes, cheekbones and nose of the women who killed your family and raped you in the dirt while your homestead burnt down.
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>>11459441
This makes me so sad. Did they really not teach you guys biology in high school or were you just on here instead of paying attention?
Females have XX, Males have XY. These are chromosomal pairs that have to be paired in order for them to work (though odd variants like XXY do sometimes happen and make intersex people). In the formation of the gamete (egg or sperm) the chromosomes divide but they do not multiply to make up for it. This means that half of sperm has an X chromosome, half a Y, and ALL eggs have X. If you get the X sperm you are female, Y you are male. This is why it is a roughly 50/50 shot.
So how the FUCK are you supposed to get 5 times more women than men out of this? Women inheriting 5x more genome from their mother than father isn’t even possible. That’s not how sexual reproduction works. I’ve wracked my brain trying to come up with some way to get the results your expecting and I just can’t do it.
Ironically because the X is bigger than the Y, it is MEN who inherit more DNA from their mothers than their fathers!
See my above comment for some far simpler and more realistic explanations with actual real world examples for how an imbalanced sex ratio would work such as: hormonally driven or female parthenogenesis.
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If we're getting into biology and gender ratios, I have a story that tries to justify there being more women than men, but it's gonna be a bit longwinded.
Basically, there's an ancient alien race which acts as a hivemind and therefore doesn't understand things like monogamy the way we do. It comes across the ancestors of humans, and uses their DNA along with several other emerging species from earth to create their own race, which is basically just kemonomimi (animal eared humanoids). When they're designing the race, they take advantage of things like metagenes (genes that control other genes) to create a massive gender imbalance among other things. This ancient hivemind wanted to reinforce a gender imbalance since they saw women as more calm and men as more wise, so they made men rare, small, and weak, but much smarter than their female counterparts, and women became tall (relatively) but also cooperative. The goal was to create tribes led by a patriarch who through his reliance on the women around him, would seek the outcome that was optimal for everyone in the tribe. The problem came when rewards mechanisms were being programmed into the kemonomimi. Basically, the hivemind created chemicals and receptors that would encourage pregnancy and birth, except the hivemind fucked up and programmed the rewards mechanisms to give the EXACT same reward to each and every kemono girl instead of it being proportional. Imagine the amount of drugs it'd require to get a city high, but instead given to one person. This chemical is hyper complex and builds up in the female's body during pregnancy, only released during birth. I should mention that kemonomimi women giving birth has also been altered to be completely nonlethal. The hivemind afterwards was too busy wanting to speed up the process of seeing their own humanlike species evovle, so they went into hibernation. Meanwhile, the kemonomimi quickly devolved into a massive rape orgy, with the men being victimized left and right.
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>>11456431
>I can't help getting hard
>Of course I'm gonna cum if you rub it that doesn't mean anything
>*hnggfff* stoppp
What are your favorite excuses m*n use when they pretend they aren't into it?
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>>11459788
This is known as "The first great rape age". Mind you, the meta-genes in the kemonomimi are also meant to help them evolve. Problem is, men and women evovle at different rates. In order to withstand the massive onslaught of rape, the metagenes in the males quickly adjust to making them perfectly capable of handling being raped by countless women. The females don't have to adjust, so they diverge into their own unique subspecies. There's foxes, wolves, cats, dogs, cows, rats, etc. but the key element here is that while the female genetics change in these various ways, the males stay the same. So let's go over a few of the various kemonomimi subspecies:
Kitsune: Foxgirls who live in a racial/phenotypical caste. The shape of your ears and skin color determine your place in society. Males are exempt as they are all largely the same in most phenotypes, but women are split between the segregated castes of the "darks" and the "lights" which try and hold to a "separate but equal" philosophy. Basically, "as long as you fuck off, we won't kill each other". Ear shape however is considered a huge indicator of one's place in society. Think of a kitsune's ears like a clock. 12 and 12 i.e. both ears pointing straight up, is seen as the pinnacle of the kitsune's race. 11 and 1, or 10 and 2 are seen as lower and even lower status respectively. The undesirables are those with ears so low that that are seen as "undesirables". Apart from that, the kitsune are a very traditional and conservative race, where the male is seen as the central object of the household. The nation state of the kitsune is ruled by an imperial harem, the chief of that harem being the empress, who is seen as a deity in the eyes of her people. Most kitsune women will never find a male, so instead they become "vagrants" and fight for the mercenary army that has become like a 2nd government for the country.
Gonna try and continue this, but might be a while.
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>>11459799
Neko: Pretty self explanatory; catgirls from another planet. Unlike most of the other kemonomimi, they are actually pretty laid back in their management of their males. Of course they still rape them, but they also took advantage of the natural intellect of the males to make headways in science and engineering. Probably the most intellectually focused society out of the many, they also sell their inventions to others in exchange for guarantees, resources, men, etc. They're basically the most motivated to get to being lazy by automating everything. While they do have laws, most of the Neko consider themselves smart enough to not be retarded and fuck shit up. In spite of this, they do not take sleights lightly, and will use their sophisticated military engineering to wipe out any who might snub them. Their leadership consists of an electorate composed of scholars and thinkers who elect a philosopher leader, basically a Doge. They even have a longstanding friendship with the next group on this list, the Inu.
Inu: Dog girls, of which there are even many unique subspecies of their own. Despite the diversity within the Inu, many consider themselves Inu first, and their respective breeds second. They were fractured at first into these breeds, but were eventually united under those most similar to the Golden Retrievers to form a prussian-like monarchy. Their society largely organizes itself around military honor and tradition. They typically butt heads with the Kitsune, but both usually put aside their differences when a greater threat emerges, such as the Okami.
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Okami: Hated by just about anyone and everyone and for good reason. The wolfgirls diverged from the Inu long ago. Previously, the Inu were actually enslaved Okami owned by the Neko until they became more docile, where the Neko saw fit to give them their own sovereignty. The Okami are those who were never enslaved, and instead became more rabid as time went on. It's not uncommon to hear of Okami clans harassing and raiding their neighbors even in the modern age of the kemonomimi. They have no established agriculture, instead relying on grazing animals to fuel their hunger. Some have even reported that Okami will eat other kemonomimi if nothing else is available. Being a male in this society is like if there was a rape 2. The Okami worship the concept of rape not just for sexual pleasure, but for the sake of "breaking the male". To break a man is seen as a rite of passage for many Okami. Rape of men is not just institutionalized, but also considered the highest honor of being a woman. during the medieval period of the kemonomimi, the Okami were at the height of their savage power, having converged under a supreme ruler who ordered the mass genocide of all female kemonomimi and capture of the men. When several other kemonomimi joined forces against them, including the Neko, Inu, and Kistune, only then were they able to push back the Okami into the heartlands of their territory, with many in the Kitsune wishing to wipe them out completely, only stopped by the empress herself decreeing that the Okami would no longer be a threat ever again. In the modern era, the Okami are still in their backwater clans, fighting and raiding and kill and raping, but with modernity several Okami have left behind the clan mentality and instead left for other countries in order to experience a more cushy life. Of course, none of them would ever dare to venture into the lands of the Ushi.
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>>11459813
Ushi: Cowgirls. While we think of cows as being relatively docile creatures who we use for milk and beef, the Ushi are more isolationist than docile. The joke "screw casual racism we're going ranked" applies to the Ushi, who view themselves as the superior race to all other kemonomimi. This isn't just a matter of "we think so", they view it as their right granted upon them by their God. The Ushi are convinced that the other kemonomimi are "tainted" and therefore condemned to burn. They live in a region surrounded by mountains, and largely keep to themselves. Very rarely are other kemonomimi women allowed in, and even those who are usually fall victim to extreme prejudice. There are even groups which wear Capirotes and lynch outsiders in their realm. Males are the only group exempt from these racial views for the most part, but also typically are seen as too dumb to understand reality, so they are usually just treated with dismissal rather than outright disgust. The only real time in which a male is ever punished is when the male has clearly had sex with a non-ushi, being seen as a "race traitor". Despite their racism, they live with a strong importance placed on the community. Anyone who lives a better life is expected to give back to the community more than others, as they are seen as having benefitted from said community more. Most Ushi also live in rural farming communities and plantations. Some Ushi have tried buying slaves of other kemonomimi before, but said practice is seen as "threatening to poison the purity of the Ushi". The Okami did try to raid and conquer them during the medieval period, but were quickly routed due to their size difference. Basically, think if the Klan was socialist cows with an emphasis on racial purity.
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>>11459763
To weigh in on the autism.
>XXY
That results in Kleinfelter syndrome.
It can appear like 'intersex', based on typically female attributes found on a man, but Kleinfelter and Turner (single X) are physical conditions, while intersexuality is more a statement of being based on personal perception of self and identity.
> get 5 times more women than men
The obvious answer to me is, assuming hypothetical biology, that Y-gametes are less successful or competitive in fertilization through some obscure genetic fact or factor.
Maybe a Y-chromosome associated random mutation resulted in the production of a nonsense protein that bonds energy carrying molecules, reducing motility? If it's a dominant genotype, then over enough time it'll spread and by the start of recorded human history, men would already see vastly reduced birth rates.
Though personally, I'm more inclined towards bluntly authoritative amazonian women as a hypothetical species expression.
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>>11459821
There's plenty of other subspecies I have in mind, but the principle and focus is the same; different groups of kemonomimi are organized around how they protect their most valuable yet fragile resource: men. Men are essential not just to society continuing to exist through reproduction, but also the chemical addiction that has permeated itself into the genetics of the kemonomimi, as well as the social aspect of what it means to "own" a man. All the various groups rape men, who basically have no rights and are instead the centerpiece objects of a kemonomimi social group. The different subspecies have different ways of interpreting what this means and how they should handle it. Also, racism is pretty common (but to be fair, women being racist can be kinda hot).
So how does this all relate back to us the humans? Well, we're about to find out.
You see, the kemonomimi were designed to evolve at a fast pace in comparison to us. While our ancestors were still banging rocks together to create stone tools millions of years ago, the kemonomimi had just invented faster than light travel. The Okami and Ushi were, funny enough, the first to take this technology and fuck off from their home planet for the most part. Only the most diehard remained, but were quickly absorbed into the other races. the Okami fucked off because they wanted their own little piece of space to try and rape in peace, while the Ushi wanted nothing to do with the other kemonomimi. All the other races were generally indifferent with each other by this point, so many of them just went out to explore and search for other forms of life. Problem is, one subspecies in particular came across the sleeping ancient hivemind first; the Okami. The hivemind, upon being exposed to the Okami's way of life, was mortified. Without another thought, the hivemind that gave life to the kemonomimi also tried taking it away. This would be the beginning of the war in the heavens.
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>>11459832
The war lasted a decade, as the Okami were once again nearly wiped out. While the other races tried to engage in diplomacy with the hivemind, they nonetheless were seen as just as guilty. The hivemind had tried playing god and failed, so it HAD to correct its mistake for the sake of all life. The first years of the war were gruesome, with casualties piling up on both sides, but when the kemonomimi dame together under one banner to utilize all of their resources together effectively, they started winning handily. Just before the hivemind was defeated however, it had one last trick up its sleeve. A failsafe virus, which could theoretically wipe out all kemonomimi, was deployed. It worked... somewhat. The virus was strong enough to eliminate the original kemonomimi for sure, but the hivemind failed to realize that they had evolved since then. Instead, only the males, whose genes had adapted and hardened early on, were wiped out. The kemonomimi may have won the battle, but they had lost the war. Within maybe a century, there would be no more kemonomimi. This began the urgent push to find a solution. The kemonomimi quickly realized that even if they recreated the males, they would likely be wiped out all the same. Instead, they concluded that immortality was the only option. So within another decade, they developed the biological tools needed to induce immortality. Now imagine this, a bunch of sex addicted, drug addicted immortal female rapists are now left without any of their vices. Finding a suitable species whose men were compatible was a matter of regaining what had been lost, the centerpiece of kemonomimi society. One day over a million years ago, a kitsune craft was exploring the milk way, a nearby galaxy, and there they found something peculiar. A species so much like their ancestors it defied comprehension. They had a similar skin, immune systems, and when they went down to investigate, they realized that they shared mitochondrial DNA. They found us.
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>>11459840
The kitsune kept this an ultra top secret mission. They were to investigate the Homo Erectus, and figure out how we were related. Eventually, they pieced it together. The kemonomimi were designed by the hivemind using DNA ancestral to the H. Erectus, an attempt to create their own version of humanity. But if that were the case, then that means this species could be a suitable candidate for breeding with, no? Initial tests revealed that the men did in fact produce biologically compatible semen, but otherwise were underwhelming. The kitsune were not deterred however. They instead decided that they too would play god. The kitsune altered the DNA of the ancient humans to be more like their own in the future. The kitsune had time on their side, and so they would keep watch on the development of their cousins from afar, waiting for the day that humans would develop to become just enough like the kemonomimi that they could enjoy all the wonders once lost to them.
Human society quickly changed, as now there were maybe 10 women for every man, a ratio which became larger and larger, until 100 women were present for every man. Similarly, the chemicals produced during pregnancy by the kemonomimi and the receptors that enabled addiction were now found in human women. Rape of men became commonplace out of necessity and desire. As the brains of humanity grew, the similarities between the humans and kemonomimi grew too. By the point we'd consider the postmodern era, humanity mirrored its kemonomimi cousins in more ways than not. Men were still objects in many societies, but masculism and men's rights emerged as movements seeking to "dignify being a man". This was the time for the Kitsune to strike. They quickly invaded and conquered earth, hoping to keep it a secret from anyone else. But the kitsune realized something else, they could not restore the existence of kemonomimi males, only human males could exist.
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>>11459846
You see, a human male and a kemonomimi female could produce more kemonomimi offspring, but the natural balance would be to keep this ratio preserved, thus more males should exist even if in smaller numbers. But because men are the ones whose sperm determines if the resulting offspring are male or female, only kemonomimi females could be born between this pairing. Therefore, it was necessary to keep human females around, as they were the only ones who could create more human males through their eggs. Newer generations of human women often had their eggs extracted as soon as possible in order to then inseminate said eggs, and create more humans. Once the fetus is confirmed to be a human male, it is then implanted inside a kemomomimi's womb. Sometimes the fetus is implanted alongside a few kemonomimi fetuses, which has been said to result in kemonomimi girls playing with the human male in the womb. Regardless, this has resulted in a unique relationship, where human and kemonomimi women both give birth to children of a human male. Human males are essentially highly valuable commodities which can even be controlled by the state in order to act as an incentive for vagrants to contribute to society with the hopes of earning a male. Of course, once the other kemonomimi inevitably found out about the existence of humans, everyone else immediately began raiding the kitsune for them. Eventually, humans made their way into the hands of the other kemonomimi where they would fulfill the role once occupied by the kemonomimi males. Human women wish to throw off their chains and once again reclaim their men, while the various kemonomimi are locked in a warhammer 40k style war, only the men are constantly being raped by the women.
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>>11459823
>XXY
Yeah sorry that’s just I wasn’t looking into it too deep you are correct
>weak Y gamete
This is actually a viable option! Though I do wonder if it would beat fishers principle in the long run since if there’s any variance the genes to make more males would still be selected for as more male offspring is still adaptationally better since it makes your offspring more of the gene pool. So if there’s any variation, eventually it’ll reset back to 50/50 but that could take a long time by human scale.
I still don’t really see the sex ratio as being the important part, unless what you really want is the harem fantasy. But if you want the being valued for being a man part, I think that can be achieved without that. I’ve always thought that men’s relatively lack of sensitivity and “refinement” would come off as like innocence in a matriarchal society. Especially because if women were fully in charge, matters like high politics would probably be a real nest of vipers you’d be happy to be protected from
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>>11459854
>various sex addicted, drug addicted immortal female rapist kemonomimi are locked in a warhammer 40k style war, only the men are constantly being raped by the women.
I need 4 seasons and 15 novels of this in particular
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>>11459949
At least 6 times in the novels and three times in the show
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>>11459938
I'm finding that a lot of my ideas such as >>11449828 seem to appeal to people in this thread. I really need to start upping my art skills so we can all have these works brought into reality.
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Ban me if this is off-topic but I don't know where else to look.
Years ago a saw a few captions that was similar to the futadom caption universe but with male age regression.
Like, men would revert into shotas when they were in sexual contact with women, and there was global female domination. Or something along those lines.
Anyone know what this genre was called or where to find these captions?
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DITF could have been so peak, alas...
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>>11460241
ask the futa thread
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Women are such pigs, but there isn't much a boy can do about their coworkers groping them and inhaling their scent
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>>11460473
Chihiro is so lucky he should impregnate those two.
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>>11449168
Why the fuck would I want to be dominated by women in a male way?
I wanna be dominated by some woman who treats me like a big dumb ogre that is fundamentally her child and her pet.
I want her to treat me like furniture and treat me like a simpleton she has to look after. I want her to congratulate me for basic tasks and I want her to tell me to sit by her heel.
Groom me like a showdog.
I don't wanna be a bitch she can dominate like a man, I wanna be a beast of burden she can coddle like a woman.
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>>11460534
Yeah this. Except I kinda also want her to be able to beat me up if she wants to.
The duality of man.
I want the misandry to come out not in treating me like a fragile object but almost like there’s a bit of a primitive, caveman-ish animality to men. They’re odd, hairy, coarse and often gross and pervy little creatures and yet… strangely attractive. A woman just kind of wants to tease them, make them do things for her and yet she knows too they’ll never really have the same level of intellect of emotional depth she does. They just don’t have the sensibility to be fully civilized, just kind of tamed. But the taming is the fun of it.
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>>11460534
So you want to play goo-goo babies?
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>>11460892
artist?
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>>11460337
omg, if they'd all reversed male and female positions like the elite team as some mid-season powerup that'd have been so peak
>>11460483
>the suffragette movement was about getting to molest boys as much as they want
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>>11459763
Gay tone aside, I made clear in the previous thread and I thought in the original post that I was not talking about the minutia behind the mechanism of inheritance. >>11459823 and >>11459894 have already offered explanations about how it may happen, and you could also have this ratio achieved through Meiotic drive if you wanted, but honestly who gives a fuck? If I'm talking about not just all humans having the same 80:20 but a whole taxonmical KINGDOM having the same sex variance then we're obviously not cross-compatible biologies. The only thing that concerns me is, "Does thing violate the laws of physics", if it doesn't then I'm perfectly able to just leave it to fate and handwave how such a thing would evolve so we call all focus on the actual MEAT of such a fantasy.
>here's a bone to be thrown to people ITT bored to tears at this discussion
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>>11449168
This thread needs a purge ASAP. When faggots start fighting and form a huge reply chain over their equally gay fantasies they stink up the entire board and make it unusable for everyone. Do what you do best jannies.
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>>11460573
Aggressive mommy dom seems sorely underused sometimes
>>11461189
This is the faggot fantasy reply chain board, sir
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>>11461178
>Young squire!
>I may ride to battle for the honour of the lady of the lake with my sword unsheathed but a boy should NEVER do so as well
>let me assist you so you may once again sheathe yourself in your pantaloons without bringing temptation to foes and allies alike, as befitting your station as my attendant
Lady Jane of the Thorn Roses is a most beneficent master worthy of her nobility.
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>>11460977
>suffragette
Lol who cares.
It’s a woman”s religious right to do whatever she desires with her boy.
For did not God in her wisdom make womankind in her image?
To hold sacred and righteous dominion over all lesser creatures, including boys?
Boys, who being made for the pleasure of women, to cherish and to own?
Boys, who are smaller, weaker, and un-matured, even in adulthood?
Who cannot muster the strength to control their biological urges to rut, even with the most pious guidance, much less the strength to make it though life without a woman, strong and dependable, to guide him?
How can you speak of demanding the rights to boys, when it is the eternal spiritual right, nay, responsibility, for a woman to mould and shape and play with the male or males in her life in the ways she deems fit?
For how can a male, an observably lesser, simpler creature of lust, lies and childlike emotions, recognised in the eyes of God, and Womankind, be expected to know and understand his own desires? Or even if that, how to go about achieving them?
He can not be trusted to. Food did God not punish man with his immature stature, a shamefully rampant libido, and a cock that tells his true thoughts, for his deception and tempting of Eve in the garden?
It is the good woman’s burden, to know and protect the boys in her lives. To know what they really desire, past the lies, and to make his decisions for him.
As such Women cannot be given more rights to boys.
For, though some impious women forget it, they have always had every right to boys. More rights to their bodies, their minds, their everything, than the boys themselves.
And as such, it is the good boy’s responsibility to recognise his inferiority, to hold his tongue, to trust, and be obedient to the woman’s decision. No matter how extreme or confusing he finds it.
>Tfw the religious Matriarchy/Matriarchies makes the widespread societal one look tame/not extreme/ not all-encompassing, by comparison.
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>>11461248
Indeed, that's the world order we've created after the suffragette movement of the 20th century.
It used to be that men imagined they had some rights and leverage of their own. They held that, even if the home belonged to the woman, men controlled the professional environment. An artefact due to the rapid rise of industry of the previous century, which had expanded the societal power related to "outside the home" activities, which were only ever supposed to be serf work for the benefit of the woman "inside" the home.
But mass protests, PR campaigns, and public shaming righted that error. Women imposed themselves on the workplace and gender dominance once again became all-encompassing.
If a woman calls herself a feminist, it's because of her appreciation and vigilance for protecting that dominance.
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>>11461208
Got it off danbooru
Sauce listed there is https://muchimaro.fanbox.cc/posts/11225225
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So I was browsing through some stuff that's been shared with me from google drive links over the years (originally I was looking for a spreadsheet talking about burgers being showcased in anime to share with someone else) and I came across something I forgot I even had but I think is relevant to this thread; an entire spreadsheet of reversed morals/gender roles media. I also downloaded a copy just in case something happens to it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ehSFCz1Tthk6MIlyTixAuHOky123lz j4KhSUV3fI488/edit?usp=sharing
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>>11461360
Thanks. He's also on kemono.
Lots of futa unfortunately.
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>>11461285
You guys don't understand.
Male bodily autonomy IS male supremacist.
The idea is that the man does not "consent" to have his body rocked, but it completely ignores the fact that the woman did not consent to have her relief denied.
Trying to make molestation socially unacceptable is a control tactic men use to keep women edging and embarrassed.
Feminism isn't about female supremacy, it's about equality. Equal opportunity for each gender to occupy their natural role. Which is submission for men and domination for women.
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What would be a good sport for females to force males to compete in on a matriarchy?
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>>11462205
Like the Olympics but designed only for female entertainment and pleasure since its a matriarchy. Imagine the Olympic village.
Or would men be banned from sports? And what would happen to a male who decided he wants to compete in the female tournaments?
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>>11462212
Would the women be competing in them or forcing the men to fight? And would it be old style gladiatorial combat or new warfare with paint guns or live bullets ala Starship Troopers?
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>>11449821
Didn't expect to see such a serious take on something like this. Cool, anon.
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>>11449821
>Maybe this world's creation myths features females being made in the image of the creator using her powers, and males being made in the image of women to serve as companions.
I see the current Abrahamic creation myth as this though - if the Y chromosome is an ablated X, and Adam lost a "rib" to create Eve..
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Reading all these posts about the structure of the world, and especially the psychology of women and men in a supposed matriarchal world, I wondered what a man from our world would do in that world. Yes, I'm essentially thinking about an isekai-type event right now, but I'm genuinely interested in reflecting on this conflict of worldviews.
If it's just one man, then everything is clear: sooner or later, he will break under the pressure of society and embrace new ideals, albeit with some nuances from his world. But what if he's not alone? What will happen if we give such a man support in such a world? What if, for example, an entire city or even a country from our world were to fall into such a matriarchal world?
Now we have an entire, separate community that can support its members and, in the face of constant conflict with other communities, will be quite united and, I think, radical, since every action generates a reaction. Will such a community be able to survive, or even go on the offensive and spread its ideals of patriarchy (or, better yet, equality, but let's say patriarchy as a counterweight, just keep our society in mind), or will it be destroyed?
But the most interesting thing is how individual members of our community will react when confronted with such different relationship cultures? The biological aspect is often discussed here, but I honestly don't understand it enough to say anything for sure. I can only guess that this will create a lot of conflicts.
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>>11462301
>how individual members of our community will react when confronted with such different relationship cultures
>Be regular guy
>Dropped in new world
>Women have to do all the hard shit
>You're just expected to cook, clean, and eat pussy
50% of them will immediately defect to the matriarchal society
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>>11462301
>Will such a community be able to survive, or even go on the offensive and spread its ideals of patriarchy
Tangentially related, but one idea that always fascinated me was exploring how a patriarchy might evolve and sustain itself in a gender imbalanced world, as other anons have fleshed out ITT. Matriarchies would've been the undisputedly dominant structure of society, so any patriarchy would whether it wanted to or not be lived in the shadow of "matriarchal norms", whatever they may be. A society whose cultural, religious, and political modes of power would be centred around men would be incredibly difficult to sustain in a world where there are five women for every one man, and men in such a patriarchy would be more aware of this than anyone. You mention radicalization, and I think its inevitable that a patriarchy within a matriarchal world would form with our world's "Feminist Separatist" gender rhetoric, coupled with an apartheid Israeli/Rhodesia/South Africa siege mentality, where they percieve themselves to be in a state of permenant, unavoidable war.
I don't believe it to be fundamentally impossible. After all, the Roman Empire in the days of the Julio-Claudian dynasty was run by no more than 10,000 individuals, and huge empires run by tiny ethnic minorities (British Raj, Ptolemaic Egypt, Yuan Dynasty) were the norm throughout history. However, I don't think such a patriarchy would survive for long. The biggest problem is that males cannot completely withdraw from society and focus on governance as other ruling minorities could, and males must mix with females to some degree to avoid total population collapse.
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>>11462355
If I had to explore a full timeline of this, I'd say that a male Alexander the Great/Joan of Arc figure emerges and carves out a huge empire whose institutions are run by males, with females taking on the brunt of the workload. For a few generations this state sustains itself and attempts to reverse engineer a patriarchy from matriarchal elements. However, the patriarchy inevitably falls, either due to the males becoming decadent and being replaced from the inside by females, or it clings on to its patriarchal identity, yet the TFR falls off a cliff and the empire undergoes a catastrophic population collapse before being consumed by rebellion due to the weakened state structure. It would be fascination to imagine what life would be like in the two or three generations in which the patriarchy would be at its peak, and how males would handle their own version of the cultural revolution while being assailed on all sides by opportunistic female leaders.
In a thousand years, this patriarchal anomaly would be a huge subject of interest from both males and females. Females would no doubt fantasise and fetishise the one state throughout history to have "male Valkyries" and truly independent Kings, while males would look to it as an inspiration for what liberation would look like.
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>>11462315
See >>11459565
Individuals being dropped into this world would almost definitely face a lot more demands then just cooking, cleaning and pussy eating.
Even if that's all people claim there is to it.
>Have to perform and treat self as entirely accessory to women. Basically their entire identity must be around being a good and loyal object or possession, or they're not seen as a 'good man'.
>Is actually able to cook and clean well. Does both happily, and readily, when left alone.
>Considerate to the needs of children. Supporting young girls, guiding young boys, etc etc.
>Maintains an appropriate standard of physical beauty (runs, dieting, waxing/shaving), which will probably be more uncompromising than he's used to.
>Having to problem solve WITHOUT calling attention to himself, being assertive in conversation, or talking to women like an equal
>Can't handle money, drive a car, or go to certain places.
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In another fetish crossover world women would keep men fat, not only a a means to limit natural masculine traits (namely being much stronger) but if kept real chunky the flab covers his genitals so there can be no accidental viewing of even a hint of a bulge when out in public. Only his wife gets to see the goods as it were when in the privacy and sanctity of the home. Plus if a dude is rotund in such a manner it also means they cannot pleasure themselves so control of sexual relief is squarely in the hands of his wife or gf. A slim man would be a sign of abuse and potential deviancy.
Socially this would mean during puberty there would be a lot of social pressure on boys to bulk up in such a manner so they are seen as good marriage candidates. Plus who doesn't like someone soft to squeeze.
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I'm quite fascinated by the Diploid/Halpoid nature of bees. The male drones only get one set of 16 chromosmes while female bees get the full 32. The Queen passes down half her 32 chromosomes into the egg, and a ferilizing drone will pass all of his 16. So an unfertlized egg will be male and a fetilized one female.
Feels like there's alot of potential for a fictional world that adopts some of this stuff for humans. The way genetics work has males recognized as half a person, and since Males are all the product of asexual reproduction with no fathers, all of them are raised and disclipned strictly by women. Ideally they should all be taught their mother brought them into this world to serve womankind.
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>>11451899
> 10:1 Ratio
I wonder how would society develop if the ratio was absurdly large, tho.
What if it was 600:1? You probably would never see two men in the same building
Hell, triple it to 1800:1. Most women in history would have seen a man only a couple of times in their lives
How would society be kept together if males were hundreds of times more scarce than real life?
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>>11462972
>What if it was 600:1? You probably would never see two men in the same building
Well in a sci-fi story i'm reading an alien race has 100:1 and in their society it is required BY LAW that when a male comes of age he must have 100 wives. Said wives will of course be chosen by his family and it would take a while to get to that number but once that threshold is met if he were to have less than 100 wives (for whatever reason) he is mandated to take on more women until 100 is reached. Understandably at such a ludicrous scale there aren't enough hours in the day so for many of his wives their husband basically boils down to a prostitute - someone you meet for a short allocation of time just to have sex with and then not see again for an extended period. As the 100:1 ratio is a species average many women go their entirely lives with the only man they see is their father and many not even that due to their mother not living with their father.
Going to even more skewed ratios I imagine basically stops men functioning as human beings and are reduced to little more than walking sperm banks (who likely don't get much say in the matter - either have sex or we'll have to extract a sperm "donation" one way or another) orrrrrrrrr pregnancies result in twins or triplets basically every time. Suddenly one dude with "only" 10 wives has 30 children just from round one and his wives would be expected to have multiple pregnancies. Probably as many as their body can handle until menopause. This makes me wonder if it just becomes a numbers game to keep society functioning given the sheer number of women who will spend time on maternity. Then again perhaps maternity leave would be as minimal possible because there would always be other women in the family unit to pick up the slack for child rearing so pop it out, nurse for a couple weeks then put your overalls back on susan that carburettor won't clean itself.
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>>11462972
>How would society be kept together if males were hundreds of times more scarce than real life?
Not the original anon, but with the story I wanna continue writing which has this sort of dynamic, the exact role men serve can vary depending on the local culture, with some considering the male to be a sacred object central to a tribe's function, others believing the male to be born into the position to atone for sins in another life, and others still believing the male exists entirely for the sexual pleasure of the females, completely dehumanized and objectified.
Women would probably have more than one kid in their lifetime. Instead of "If the ratio is X:1, then the male will have X number of wives", the idea would be that some females would become part of a sexual underclass where they basically have to fight for the right to join the harem.
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>>11463102
Eh the part i've mentioned is only a very very small element of the wider story and is not truly fleshed out in a meaningful way. The story itself does have its universe where women outnumber the men (to the point as part of a species' identifier is their gender ratio so humans being 1:1 is conceptually pure porn for alien females) so overall it deals with a good chunk of things described ITT but they are not the focus of it, just a means to flesh out some of the characters. Still if you want to read it is called Out Of Cruel Space.
Be warned though it is fucking long (570 chapters) and still ongoing.
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I was going to write another story in this theme, basically erotica, but I wanted to make it a little more "fleshed out" so to speak. What I'm not sure about is how much unpleasantness to put the male characters
through in order to create a "mood", obviously the actual sex scenes will be sexy, but there should be a little contrast here and there, and I feel like it hurts the worldbuilding if we just assume all the women are attractive and all the interactions are hot.
Thoughts?
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>>11464406
A touch of realism is needed to ground the story imo. You don't have to go to the length of filthy of hag/bastard but the imperfections are what add depth to characters. Yeah Steve can be totally average and not have a hyper cock and jenny doesn't need to have basketball tits for it to work.
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>>11464414
yeah, i was thinking that in order to really do worldbuilding, there have to be some interactions with, shall we say, undesirable partners
pic not related lol
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>>11449828
This idea is EXCEEDINGLY based.
And some girls should be so possessive of their manager-boy, that when another girl takes advantage of him, the possessive one "punishes" [not really] him for getting being exploited "without [her] permission." A nice unfair double-standard.
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>>11466850
bonus
husband Bayonetta with her blushing boy-bride, Pit.
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>>11466647
This is something I've been thinking about recently, not just this thread but the online experience as a whole with reversed roles. Imagine the incel threads, stupidly thirsty pajeetas spamming your dms penis and bals sir, omegle, I think it'd be really fun trolling especially if you were isekaid. I wonder what the >tits or gtfo equivalent would be.
I think a reversed version of this thread would be fun too to post in or at least read. Like what wild theories people come up with to reconcile how men would be dominant, where in their world male domination and sexual appetite would be unthinkable.
Unrelated but I kind of don't really see how just a size change could result in my head canon idealized version of reversed gender roles. I do think that it would be part of it but something else fundamentally would be different, gender ratio or the very nature of childbirth that means men can't just pump out semen willy nilly which makes them the bottleneck, not women, and I don't (necessarily) mean mpreg. Just a size change would just make us into like hyenas or some shit where men are basically worthless.
I'm new to the thread after not being into this fantasy since like before the pandemic. Will enjoy reading the whole thread later.
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>>11466884
>tits or gtfo equivalent would be.
Balls or gtfo. If you wanted to be really dirty they must have hair on them so you know it isn't just some deviant girl RPing as a dude online who bought some silicon bolt-ons to get views on Livejames.com
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>>11466897
I guess, not that everything needs to translate to something 1-to-1 but I feel like balls don't really have the same appeal as breasts. Women would almost certainly have different sexual proclivities so idk.
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>>11466884
>fundamental change
I do think there’s some possibility for just a size change being enough, but I agree it’s more interesting if there’s more to it.
My solution: women can choose when they want to get pregnant. Several possibilities with slightly different variants.
>Choose when they’re fertile
Most simple, basically they can have sex as much as they want and then basically ovulate on command when they feel the time is right.
>Delay pregnancy after fertilization
Some animals can actually do this! It creates a window of safe sex which a woman could use to bond her man or more than one closer to her while still being loyal to her husband (or more aptly, his female relatives)
>female parthenogenesis
A woman can essentially clone herself into a daughter, but only gets sons when mating with a man. This occurs in real nature too. I like this because it turns getting a man into major mark of pride, and a major investment since you have sons to sell/give away to promising young ladies. And an underclass of desperate femcels who can, potentially dangerously to the male-hoarding high ladies, multiply rapidly.
I have ideas on how that all might influence culture but it would take a while to write out.