>>11449713
>previous thread only on page 9
bit early there, /d/ is slow as hell you know.

>>11449713
Add this to the OP next time
http://rentry.co/futanaritag

>>11449856
you're just encouraging derailing the thread with pedantic arguments and retardation

So... Is it required that both male & female reproductive organs must be on same body?
Or capability to both impregnate and be impregnated on same body; either lack one of the two reproductive organs, but remaining reproductive organ evolved to function on hybrid modes?
For instance: have breasts, and penis but lack vagina BUT either anal or urethral birth is allowed?

>>11449877
So what's your suggestion?

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>>11449879
Both sets of genitals should be there, Though if the angle does not naturally position itself to show that both are present, its fine

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>>11449881
NTA, but this IS an IMAGEboard...

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>>11449991
>Although I'm not sure how it would interact with the sex chromosomes.
It doesn't have to. You can just put the "futa gene" on any of the 46 chromosomes, even if it's not one of the sex chromosomes. The gene itself will have the "give both reproductive systems"' blueprint.

If you put it on the non-sex chromosomes, and have it be recessive, then I don't see any problems. Females and males that are born with two instances of this gene will be futa. I guess males would be masculine futa?
However,
>In my settings a child to two futas could be of any sex, male, female or both.
Would be a no. If the parents are futa, and futa is a recessive gene, then their children will also be futa since the parents have the futa gene on both of the chromosomes.

If you put the futa gene on a sex chromosome, things get a bit more complicated. If you put it on the Y, a futa can never sire a male ('cause that male would have the futa gene) and every male they sire would be a futa. If a futa wants to have a male child, they can only bare one (not sire), and it would have to be sired from a non-futa male.
If you put it on the X, no non-futa male would be able to sire a futa daughter. What's more, the mother also needs to be at least a carrier of the futa gene for the daughter to actually have a chance at being futa. For the sons, the father's gene has no say in whether or not he'll be futa; Only the mother.

>but as I said I prefer a scenario that results in a biological sex free-for-all.
Thinking of how to make this possible (in a realistic fiction sense) sounds fun. If I come up with an idea that might be interesting, I'll post it.

>>11449856
No. I still don't agree with what you have there.

>>11449877
That happens anyway and this thread is is for discussion.
>>11449914
There are pictures inside that explain this without unnecessarily including loli for no reason.
>>11450007
Which part?

>>11449856
>>11449881
just manually post it every thread, it doesn't need to be in the OP

>>11449914
this one is fine too

>>11449991
>Sleeper cell futas are fun
For some reason, I just remembered Elfen Lied. Imagine having sex with a futanari changed your DNA and made it so that only futanari can be born out of you, like some sexual parasitism. DNA altering futa sex is already a thing but generally it's futa virus or male feminization.

>>11449879
The asshole and urethra are not genitals, it's only dick and vagina that are mandatory. Anything else is something else, it's not because you see some weird ovipositor dick alien monster that he's futa.

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>>11449914
>futa loli

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>>11450066

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>>11450007
>it doesn't have to
yeah it doesn't, it's just a very intuitive setup since they're literally the chromosomes that determine sex, and futa is neither just male or just female.
Having it on a non-sex chromosome is probably the most versatile setup in terms of inheritability though.

>Would be a no. If the parents are futa, and futa is a recessive gene, then their children will also be futa since the parents have the futa gene on both of the chromosomes.
if its on the Y, then a futa could only sire females or futas, but a futa could bear a male if she were impregnated by a male.

>If you put it on the X, no non-futa male would be able to sire a futa daughter
Oh... yeah that makes sense. I totally missed that. Any male would be guarranteed to not have the gene since if he had it in his one X he'd be a futa.

>>11450025
>Imagine having sex with a futanari changed your DNA and made it so that only futanari can be born out of you, like some sexual parasitism
that's very much the kind of scenario I said I heavily disliked.
I meant more like sleeper cell agents that lay dormant until they're activated, like recessive genes being passed through multiple generations without manifesting in the phenotype of the individuals until one offspring pulls the right cards so that the dormant futa-gene can be expressed.

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>>11450089
>if its on the Y, then a futa could only sire females or futas, but a futa could bear a male if she were impregnated by a male.
Sorry, I meant specifically for the non-sex chromosomes having the recessive futa gene. If it's on the non-sex, two futa parents can only produce futas. Reading your example though had me realize that putting the futa gene on the Y is equivalent to an XZ situation (which I know you're trying to avoid). Futas would be XZ since the futa gene overrides the male gene in the Y.
XX + XY -> XX or XY
XX + XZ -> XX or XZ
XZ + XY -> XX or XY
XZ + XZ -> XX or XZ

>>11450017
>So what's your suggestion?
>>11450018
>Which part?
Again? Didn't we go over this? And towards the end I'm pretty sure you said you gave up on this or that you no longer care.

>>11449991
>Sleeper cell futas are fun.
>>11450089
>I meant more like sleeper cell agents that lay dormant until they're activated, like recessive genes being passed through multiple generations without manifesting in the phenotype of the individuals until one offspring pulls the right cards so that the dormant futa-gene can be expressed.

In that case what about a gene for sequential simultaneous hermaphroditism? IRL we have 2 types of hermaphroditism: sequential hermaphrodites (they may change from male to female or vice versa, and may or may not be permanent after the change) and simultaneous hermaphrodites (are both male and female at the same time). But for your situation, maybe humans can be a sequential simultaneous hermaphrodite. Let's say it's a recessive gene on a non-sex chromo. If it's on both chromos that person is born a futa. If they are just a carrier (on just one chromo) and if their environment has a high sex ratio by puberty (like 65%+ male or 65%+ female) they become a futa (and stay a futa). Otherwise, they stay male or female. Non-carriers are still just male or female, no matter the environment. With this you can have situations where (carrier) males or females can produce futa children, and (carrier) futas can produce males and females. Would this work in your setting? Or would it be better the futa-ness is simpler and determined at birth?

>>11449856
Based factual anon

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>>11450119
the reason I said that i dislike a hypothetical third type of sex chromosome isn't because of its resulting inheritability properites, but because it would imply that futas aren't both sexes but a third thing.

>if the futa-gene is on a non-sex chromosome and ressesive then two futas could only produce another futa
Here's the question though:
If that child had futa-gene by necessity, because both futa parents must have had it, but had XX sex chromosomes... then how would it be able to grow a dick?
My surface level understanding is that without a Y chromosome you wouldn't be able too.
In that scenario two futas could make a futa daughter but also a non-futa XX daughter (who still only has the futa-gene twice but not the phenotype because she's got no Y)

Of course that assumption about Y being a necessity for dick could be totally wrong, or could just be made to be wrong in the setting.
But it would feel incorrect.

That said while Y being a requirement feels correct it also feels a bit unsatisfying because we usually think of futas as women with dicks, instead of being modified males.
Its just the reality that males have both types of sex chromosomes and females only have one (twice).

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>>11450129
I guess "sleeper cell" isn't communicating what I intended.
I just assumed futa-ness being genetically determined at birth, like biological sex,
but being able to be inherited through generations of non-futa individuals.

Your hypothetical with clownfish-like sequential hermaphroditism could make for interesting scenarios, but it wasn't what I had in mind at all.

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>>11450165
>My surface level understanding is that without a Y chromosome you wouldn't be able too.
The Y chromo holds the SRY gene. That's the gene that initiates an embryo to become a male. It's not that the Y is necessarily special, but that gene. In fact, sometimes that gene moves over to the X chromo and thus you get XX male syndrome shenanigans (this is a real condition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome). In this situation there's no Y chromo, but the girl may have a penis. In the fictional situation we're talking about, we have a perfect futa gene for convenience. This gene can give the holder both fully functional reproductive systems. Whether it's on a sex chromo or non-sex chromo wont matter. If it's on a non-sex chromo, Xs and Ys will become irrelevant in deciding if the holder is futa or not (since the sex chromos wont carry the gene).
>it also feels a bit unsatisfying because we usually think of futas as women with dicks, instead of being modified males.
In a sense, males are modified females. Without the SRY gene to initiate the masculine process, the child will likely become a female. But as I said previously, you don't have to put the futa gene on the Y, so you don't have to worry about them seeming like modified males.

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>>11450202
ohhh...that's very interesting
>If it's on a non-sex chromo, Xs and Ys will become irrelevant in deciding if the holder is futa or not
yeah that would absolutely work. That works out pretty nicely.

If you could have both XY and XX futas that would also mean that some futas could not produce male children with females (and other XX futas), but other futas could.
Interesting consequence. I guess "male" as a trait would then also be recessive in a sense.
The futa-gene would overwrite the male phenotype in individuals with XY and the futa gene.

different topic but the wikipedia article you linked also mentioned another syndrome where peole actually do have XXY sex chromosomes as I hypothesized about in my initial post,
although of course they don't end up as futa but mostly just as infertile males.

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>>11450253
>If you could have both XY and XX futas that would also mean that some futas could not produce male children with females (and other XX futas), but other futas could. Interesting consequence.
You're right. I didn't think of that. I wonder if this means the female population would increase.

>The futa-gene would overwrite the male phenotype in individuals with XY and the futa gene.
If you wish it to be so for your settings, then yeah that can be the case. Generally speaking, masculine futas (otoko futa) are also futas. Being a futa doesn't have to make them have a female appearance. Most of us prefer them as feminine so we usually ignore or forget masculine futas exist.

>different topic but the wikipedia article you linked also mentioned another syndrome where peole actually do have XXY sex chromosomes as I hypothesized about in my initial post
If you're interested in SRY disorders here is a good summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-determining_region_Y_protein#SRY_disorders'_influence_on_sex_expression

>>11450119
>Again? Didn't we go over this? And towards the end I'm pretty sure you said you gave up on this or that you no longer care.
The shemale vs dickgirl conversation is not the focus, the reality vs fiction of shemale and dickgirl didn't make sense to you. The dickgirl vs shemale title was removed because it's not the focus. The definitions currently there are correct. The way I thought we left of is, I won't say they are the same thing because shemale has a real world meaning and dickgirl doesn't, but I don't have a problem with e-hentai using the term shemale for fictional characters because they are functionally the same. I'm just assuming here, I'm not sure what your real problem is.

>>11449944
Please don't molest your pets.

>>11449991
I always liked Z being the futa gene, but it only manifests in ZZ configuration. In any other configuration Z acts like an X, so XZ is phenotypically female and ZY is phenotypically male. But if an XZ female and a ZY male have a child together, there is a 1/4 chance the child is a ZZ futa. Meanwhile all children of futa are either futa themselves or are carriers of the futa genes.

ZZ futa x ZZ futa would always breed true.
ZZ futa x XZ female is 50% XZ female, 50% ZZ futa offspring.
ZZ futa x XX female is 100% XZ female offspring.
ZZ futa x YZ male is 50% YZ male, 50% ZZ futa.
ZZ futa x XY male is 50% YZ male, 50% XZ female.

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>>11450324
>I'm not sure what your real problem is.
I don't agree with your definitions. I'm not saying all of them I disagree with, but it's enough to where I'm against this link. One of the common issues I see with them is that you define some based on if you've only seen them in fiction or not.

Take futanari for example. You say "It is a fictional person and doesn't have a real life counterpart" within your definition, but I wouldn't define futanari like that.

If I was to edit what you have, it'd be something like:
>Futanari (ふたなり) translates to dual form and also translates to hermaphrodite. Often abbreviated as futa. A hermaphrodite is both male and female, i.e. they produce both sperm and egg. Generally one cannot assess this by appearance, so genital implication is used. If there are female genitals (vulva, vagina, uterus, etc.), it is implied a female. If there are male genitals (penis, testicles, etc.) it is implied a male. If there are both, it is implied a hermaphrodite, and thus futa. A feminine futanari (i.e. looks like a female) is an onno futanari, whereas a masculine futanari (i.e. looks like a male) is an otoko futanari.

I would personally stop here, but I don't disagree with your statements that testicles can be internal or external, that a clit can become the penis, and that it is expected that a futa can both bare and sire.
(I don't know japanese and don't actually know if futa translates to dual form, but I'll take your word on it.)

>>11450468
Because you have to explain that some things are not real. We know this, but not everyone does. Intersex, Trans, shemale are all real things that could be confused for futanari. A person with two full sets of genitals doesnt exist, it only exists in fiction. "How is sex determined?" Covers the bit about the gametes for people who are interested. What a futanari is, is more about a penis and vagina than it is sperm and eggs, but that naturally follows of course.

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>>11450566
>Because you have to explain that some things are not real.
No. If people are confusing futa for other stuff, the solution is not to define futa as "not real". It is to give it a proper definition.
>A person with two full sets of genitals doesnt exist, it only exists in fiction.
That is coincidence, not definition. One major problem from defining futa as fiction is if an IRL futa happens. We already have a number of intersex situations of people with irregular or mismatched genitals. We've even had a case where someone produced both sperm and egg, and even sired a child. It may not have happened yet, but I have seen no proof that one day a true futa can't be born. If it does come to past that a futa does get born, be it naturally or by technological advances, or that humans become hermaphrodites at some point, your definition states they cannot be futa because they are real people. I heavily disagree with this. You not having seen a futa irl doesn't not mean you should define it as fiction. That is backwards. You define what a futa is, and whether or not that defined entity has appeared irl or not is another matter. If you want to say "there are no recorded cases of futas" then that's fine, but don't define it as fiction.

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the non one shot version of my waspgirl manga is now in production with the prologue being inked when i have spare time over the coming weeks

i will post the progress when i get the chance to make it

you can also read the older manga chapters on exh https://e-hentai.org/uploader/onion+jigoku

>>11449879
>So... Is it required that both male & female reproductive organs must be on same body?
Generally, yes. There's two common edge cases: you can have futas with no balls, just a dick and pussy, and futas where the clit grows to function as a penis. The vagina is always mandatory, and an erectile penis-like organ is always mandatory. The emphasis is on being equipped to both give and receive vaginal intercourse.

>>11450007
Speaking of futas without balls, one way to do genetics is XY futas having both testicles and ovaries, and XX futas only having ovaries. To get a free-for-all with unpredictable babies, instead of just requiring 2 instances of a futa gene, have different results for different numbers of the futa gene appearing on any of the 46 chromosomes. This lets you include all kinds of exotic sub-types of futas, and total takeover can be prevented by having exotic features make futa propagation peak at 23/46 and decline as it approaches 46/46.
>>11450253
>>11450307
The logical metagame for males being "recessive" is futas regard men as sex objects who owe futas sex, and the rarer males get, the more futas think it's a status symbol to get impregnated by a male.

>>11450444
This can be further complicated by having W as a modified X and Z as a modified Y, and triple chromosome setups becoming perfectly functional when there's at least one W or Z.

>>11450702
Science fiction is defined as science fiction even if it's theoretically possible the space aliens in the sci-fi story could be real. Futa is a concept from mythology (the same way the hermaphrodite concept was introduced in Greek mythology). It remains fiction until it's discovered, just like how space aliens and Greek gods are fiction until discovered.

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>>11450739
>and XX futas only having ovaries.
Where would their sperm come from if it's only ovaries?

>>11450747
Having no irl examples of something and being defined as fiction are two different things. "Science fiction", itself, is a type of fiction and defined as such. Aliens are not defined as fiction. Aliens are defined as extraterrestrial life. Whether or not they exist only in fiction is a matter separate from their definition. To be an alien does not require one to exist only in fiction.

>>11450751
>Having no irl examples of something and being defined as fiction are two different things.
A concept that comes from fiction is in fact defined as fiction. "There's no irl examples" doesn't make everything nonfiction.
>To be an alien does not require one to exist only in fiction.
You're claiming little green men from Mars in fictional stories exist in real life just because you can't find a law of physics against it. You've shot yourself in the foot and proven my point.

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>>11450767
>"There's no irl examples" doesn't make everything nonfiction.
I've made no such claim. I said "Having no irl examples of something and being defined as fiction are two different things."

>You're claiming little green men from Mars in fictional stories exist in real life just because you can't find a law of physics against it.
I've made no such claim. I said "Aliens are defined as extraterrestrial life. Whether or not they exist only in fiction is a matter separate from their definition. To be an alien does not require one to exist only in fiction."

I think this is it then? You've reached the point where you're pulling things I never claimed out of the air and arguing against it. I don't think we'll reach an agreement like this. If nothing changes, then I guess this ends here.

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>>11450702
mental illness, you'd be happier if you would understand that the futanari fetish is 100% fictional and doesn't exist
closest you can get is huge massive clit-dick ftm(but still feminine looking) trannies

also sex is defined not by DNA but by genitals and in the case there is a true hermaphrodite that doesn't look ugly like most genetic fuckups, calling it "futa" would be cringe so at the end of the day it still wont be irl futa but irl hermaphrodites

>>11450773
>clean it up janny on the right
porn so inclusive that even jannies can feel validated!

>>11450702
It is given a proper definition, that futanari have both sex organs, only then is it stated that it is fictional.

It's not a coincidence. Futanari can only be observed in the imagination and in drawings. If a real life equivalent of futanari is possible, the word futanari may be used to describe them or something else. That is a problem for whenever that happens, if it happens. You believe it is likely to happen, but that's still in your imagination.

>>11450773
You can define alien without including that they are fictional, but they are fictional. You want to separate a boolean flag of IsFictional from definitions because you hope that futanari will exist one day, but a definition is what something is, and if it is fictional, that is part of the definition.

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>>11450739
>and the rarer males get, the more futas think it's a status symbol to get impregnated by a male
recessive doesn't mean that the the gene gets rarer and rarer
it just means that the gene takes a backseat if other genes interfere.

normally it specifically refers needing the gene on both copies of a given chromosome for the body to actually have the mutation.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=86143176
Other genes (dominant genes) express themselves even if you only have one copy of it

But in that hypothetical case it would be resessive in the sense that if an individual had male-genes (i.e. XY) and also the futa-gene twice, the futa-gene would take precedence and they'd be a futa.
However that is only for the phenotype of the individual itself. What genes they pass down to children is independend from that.

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>>11450777
>>11450912
You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
Definitions exist to facillitate communication. They're not a list of all facts about a thing.
It's so when I see a thing, I can go
>look it has traits XYZ
>its a [blank]
And so that when I say "consider a [blank]" a listener knows what I'm talking about.

Existence is completely orthogonal to that.
Saying something "exists/doesn't-exist by definition" is just a categorical error.
It's as coherent as saying "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously"

Let me define a troo to be a non-existent tree.
Now imagine a troo.....see how pointless and nonsensical it is?

Yes. Futas don't exist, neither does bigfoot.
But if I see a 9ft bipedal hairy man-ape hybrid in the forests of north america, guess what I WOULD call that.
And guess what I WOULD call a woman with natural born and functioning breasts, vagina and penis.

>>11450975
>They're not a list of all facts about a thing.
>It's so when I see a thing, I can go
>>look it has a XYZ (a list of facts)
>>its a [blank]
Nigga are you for real?

>>11450975
>And guess what I WOULD call a woman with natural born and functioning breasts, vagina and penis.
And guess what describes a futanari like this? There is a definition there. But it also says it's not real. So basically, I'm not allowed to mention that its not real, because that could be confused as saying a hermaphrodite is fictional and could never happen in humans in the future, despite only saying this once and reinforcing the definition multiple times throughout.

>>11450975
Uh oh, this Japanese man from Japan who researched the history futanari from its country of origin actually doesnt know anything because he said futanari is fiction!
https://nhentai.net/g/455238/10/
I guess we have to throw it out. Doesn't he know that fictionality isn't relevant to definitions?

>>11451001
>Nigga are you for real?
Yes I am for real and don't call me nigga
>So basically, I'm not allowed to mention that its not real
Yes. Existence (and non-existence) cannot be part of a definition just like ideas cannot sleep.
Go read up on some philosophy

>There is a definition there. But it also says it's not real
Your useless, incoherent definition might say that.

>>11451002
yes people from japan can be wrong about stuff too. pretty radical I know.

>>11451005
A futanari is someone with both male and female sex organs.

What part of this is incoherent?

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>>11450912
>It is given a proper definition, that futanari have both sex organs, only then is it stated that it is fictional.
>...but a definition is what something is, and if it is fictional, that is part of the definition.
Sounds like you're saying futanari is defined as fictional, yes?

>Futanari can only be observed in the imagination and in drawings. If a real life equivalent of futanari is possible, the word futanari may be used to describe them or something else. That is a problem for whenever that happens, if it happens.
That is a problem for now. If you're basing your definition on whether or not you have observed futa irl, then that is not a proper definition. That is a subjective definition, one based on your experience. I would expect a proper definition to be objective.

I disagree with this definition that requires a futa to be fictional. A futa is a futa no matter if a person has seen them only in fiction or not.

>>11451048
Would you disagree with this?

Defintion: A futanari is someone with both male and female sex organs.
True Statement: It is a fictional person and doesn't have a real life counterpart.

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>>11450975
you're beyond retarded and the worst poster itt outside of trannyfags who want to subvert futanari
can't help yourself but always bring dramafaggotry using stupid shit no one care like fake chromosomes and pestering everyone with other stupid shit

>>11451074
I wouldn't readily agree with it. If we're being strict:
Assumption: Futanari is a japanese term for hermaphrodite.
Definition: A futanari/hermaphrodite is both male and female.
True Statement: The are no recorded cases of fully functional human futanaris/hermaphrodites.
Is something I could agree with. I don't know how strict to be since I don't know the scope of the point you're making.

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>>11451002
Historically futanari was used to refer to intersex people. If you look at the previous page in Yana's work he's mostly concerned with causing offense to actual intersex people and it's more of a recommendation than a strict definition.
The Japanese wikipedia says "現代では主に(成人向けの)創作物における概念として使用される。", in the current era it's mainly used as a concept in (adult-oriented) fictional works. So I think it's just weird to use it for real people, not absolutely incorrect.

>>11451107
No recorded cases means someone made it up, it came from their mind, it's fiction.

>>11451185
non-gyaru chocolate futa are kinda rare thinking about it

>>11451124
What point are you making? Bare in mind we're talking about the definition or defining what futanari is. Futanari should not be defined as being fictional.

>>11451352
Prove that futanari aren't fictional.

>>11451393
Again, what point are you making?

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>>11451352
stop being obnoxious, no one will call a real hermaphrodite a Futanari should it even exist except for retarded porn addicts like you. It's like going outside your mom's basement and calling trannies as "shemale", it's a porn term.
The fact you keep shitting up the thread with this, tell me you are either underaged and don't understand that his fetish will never happen for him or you are autistic and thus mentally retarded.
Useless argumentation for the sake of just having the last word

>>11451411
>ad hominem
I take it you're a different Anon? If you're the same, we can't continue like this. Attacking my character would only cause a digression.

Headcanon, I wanted female Saiyans with pseudo-penises

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>>11451411
>>11451108
Greek mythology right?

>>11451436
The idea of a human hermaphrodite is universal because dudes want to fuck a girl with a dick. For the greeks, it's probably the other way around. Knowing them, they most likely wanted to fuck twinks and get them pregnant so they could disregard femoids.
It was always fictional, if you look at intersex people they don't look good because they are genetic anomalies. Otherwise there would have carved a massive share in the realm of porn but instead it's the mtf trannies who took the share of "girls" with dick.
You motherfuckers need to understand that the fetish is fictional otherwise you fags aren't different from trannies who took their fetish too far irl. There is a difference between wishing something was real but accepting it isn't and never will be and ignoring all facts because you are incapable of accepting the truth.
We had that fucking conversation many times by now.

As for simply using the term "futanari" to describe real people, no it's simply cringe and not even true. There is no true hermaphrodite intersex person and even fake(both genitals but they can't be used) ones are probably not real either. It's mostly malformed dicks/vagina hybrids at the closest.
If humans herms existed, they wouldn't be "intersex" they would be herms not some fucky fuckers between sexes and still wouldn't be called "futanari". Imagine going outside and calling every women as "onna" because it's the term I seen used in le japanass erotic animanga. That's wapanese behavior and to reinterate the previous post it's also brainless porn addict behavior.

I think the best option for a futa genotype is to repurpose kleinfelters syndrome, a sex chromosome trisomy, with either some pleiotropic effects or a medical breakthrough that would make an xxy individual become a futa instead
Inheritance could then be governed by gametes as we know them
xxy produces xx and xy and x and y
xx produces x
xy produces x and y
xx + x = xxx
xx + y = xxy futa
xy + x = xxy futa
xy + y = xyy

Thus you have children from pairings:

Futa x woman xxy * xx
xxx
xxy futa
xx
xy

Futa x man xxy * xy
xxx
xxy futa
xxy futa
xyy

Futa x futa xxy * xxy
xxxx
xxxy
xxx
xxy futa
xxxy
xxyy
xxy futa
xyy
xxx
xxy futa
xx
xy
xxy futa
xyy
xy
yy

Futa x xxx woman xxy * xxx
xxxx
xxx
xxxy
xxy futa

There's already plenty of xxx women around, most have fairly normal lives, it's more common than triplets, but we could pretend that the same thing that makes xxy people futas makes xxx women suffer no ill effects of their trisomy, so if we include them we also get a bit of an increase in xxx * xy pairings creating futa too, we'll just leave the Jacob's syndrome xyy people alone as they are, and handwave the people with tetrasomy that arise from futa * futa and futa * xxx pairings away, then we get the following ratios of offspring
Futa x woman: 1/4 futa 1/4 xxx and 1/2 normal
Futa x man: 1/2 futa 1/4 xxx and 1/4 Jacob's
Futa x futa: 1/4 futa 1/4 tetrasomy (we pretend these are all non viable) 1/8 xxx 1/8 Jacob's 3/16 normal and 1/16 you non viable
Futa x xxx woman: 1/4 futa 1/2 tetrasomy 1/4 xxx women

Combined with the slightly higher numbers of xxx women out there you get a steadily growing population of futa, but preserve normal sexes too, although over the long term they'd fall to a smaller proportion of the population with futas making up the majority

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>>11451408
You've been reduced to playing dumb after he proved it's fiction. If your "argument" is telling us you're too illiterate to read plain English, then case closed. If you think nothing is fiction unless it's arbitrarily "defined" to be then when I say you've just been raped, that's non-fiction. Therefore, you just got raped.

Here's how I explain futanari genetics in my lore book. I think a Z chromosome is necessary, otherwise a futanari would have to be XY, because you can only have a penis with a Y, making them a male with a disorder.

The Z chromosome is the third sex chromosome found in humans responsible for the futanari sex. The futanari chromosomal pairing is XZ. Hermaphrogenesis is a rare occurrence where spermatogenesis in males produces only three viable sperm rather than the normal four. Hermaphrogenesis occurs during meiosis stage two, one of the daughter nuclei fails to divide evenly resulting in a failed sperm containing no sex chromosomes and a viable sperm with both sex chromosomes. A fusion of the sex chromosomes in the viable sperm creates the Z chromosome. Hermaphrogenesis allows a male to father a futanari with a female mother.
Spermatogenesis in futanari is significantly different. The first stage of meiosis occurs twice resulting in four XY daughter nuclei. After stage two, there are four X sperm and four Z sperm. A third stage of meiosis occurs, two X sperm are used to split the Z sperm resulting in two Y sperm. In the end, there are two of each X, Y, and Z sperms.
Since oocytes start with XZ chromosomes in futanari, oogenesis is similarly changed. In addition to normal X chromosome carrying ova, there are an equal amount of Z chromosome ova. The Z chromosome ova are different in the way that Y carrying sperm cannot fertilize it.


This way a male, female, and futanari are possible from each sexually reproductive pair.

>>11451461
For the sake of completeness
xxx woman x man xxx * xy
xxx
xxy futa
xx
xy
All with 1/4 proportions

xyy male with xx woman xyy * xx (xy, xy, yy, x, y + x)
xxy futa
xxy futa
xyy
xx
xy

xyy man x xxx woman xyy * xxx (xy, yy, x, y + xx, x)
xxxy
xxyy
xxx
xxy futa
xxy futa
xyy
xx
xy

So proportions are 1/4 tetrasomy, 1/8 xxx, 1/4 futa, 1/8 xyy, 1/8 xx, 1/8 xy

My approximate napkin math leads to a stable population distribution of about 1/4 futa, 3/16 xxx, 1/8 xyy, 3/16 xx, 3/16 xy, and the rest as whatever else, so if we're pretending that trisomy xxx and xyy have no ill effects then you end up with a society made up of 6/16 women, 5/16 men, and 4/16 futas, and then a whole lot of tetrasomy retards

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>these science encyclopaedias

I like settings where any random woman can experience sudden futanization (or defutanization)

>>11451087
Pencildick sensei.

>>11449713
Man I miss this artist.

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genetic in hentai is stupid as fuck because none of you studied beyond high school biology and it shows

So have we decided to spread the rentry or are we going to manually explain it every single time a retard posts a shemale because we cant agree that fictional people are fictional?

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>>11453231
spread the rentry but in the OP because that might make it a magnet for these retards to come and harass the thread

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>>11451446
>motherfucker
Futanari MILF

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>>11453231
>we cant agree that fictional people are fictional?
No one in this thread says futas aren't fictional. The debate is over them being defined as fictional. This matter is still on going.
Spreading the rentry will likely cause problems due to its definitions. Putting it in the OP will just spark the debate again.

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>>11453292
Until someone can show us a real human hermaphrodite, it's safe to say futanari are defined as fictional beings
Take elves for an exemple; let's say you see someone with a mutation that give them pointy ears(aka knive ears)" doubt anyone in their right mind would seriously definition that person as an elf and rewrite the definition of elf by removing the "fictional being" part

As far I am concerned the definition in my book is around the lines of "Futanari are hermaphrodites from japanese hentais". The fact it's in hentai alone preclude that they anything but fictional
I try to not be too precise with my own definition because it would cause issues and bring more debate like I could allow pseudo-hermaphrodites to let the legacy old-style of big clit(with no urethra) futanari in but it's not a hill worth dying on. I'd definine pseudo-hermaphrodites as something with something resembling the other genital, basically like female hyenas having a dick-like clit but it has no dick function
The opposite, fake vagina but real dick, isn't possible because unless the author says it, it's impossible to know the difference and thus it would matter to the plot and thus wouldn't be futanari because the story would be about something else. There are people irl who did surgeries like this, no one call them futanari or even pseudo-futanari unless themselves if they are mentally ill, delusional and porn addicted enough. There are also girls with massive clits irl and no one call them futanari despite being the closest thing
All this fucking shit from one thing and that's without definining what is hermaphrodism in the japanese hentai context. Because dick-clit count as genitals unlike the big clits but there are no testicles which is the actual part that matter. You could argue the testicles are inside her or that the ovaries work overtime and does both

Ideally the best is a nice precise definition but if you leave the door open, fags will try to shoehorn their bullshit

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>>11453306
>Until someone can show us a real human hermaphrodite, it's safe to say futanari are defined as fictional beings
One could argue it's safe to say they are fictional beings, but not to say they are defined as fictional beings. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's confusion on what something is defined as, and what something is. What something is defined as, is like a requirement. What something is, is like an example or instance.
Take the color blue for example. For argument's sake I'll define blue as
>Blue: anything that emits light at 450nm
As for what blue is, blue can be lots of things.
>Blue is my favorite color
>Blue is the color of the ocean
>Blue is calming
However, all of these things are meaningless to the definition. They hold no influence on it. They're all just coincidences. If ones looks in any respectable dictionary, I doubt anyone would find "Blue: Anon's favorite color". It has no relation to defining it. If I change my favorite color to yellow, blue will still be blue. If the ocean became green, or if humans now do not find the color blue to be comforting, blue will still be unchanged. The ocean, calming, and me, are all irrelevant to its definition.
Likewise, even if all futa that have been observed has only been in fiction, that does not mean it is defined as fictional. It may not even be relevant to the definition.
If I am correct that there is confusion on the "is" and the "defined as", this may be due to how English works. It's like squares and rectangles. A definition might be what something is, but what something is might not be what it's defined as.

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>>11453404
>Take elves for an example; let's say you see someone with a mutation that give them pointy ears(aka knive ears)" doubt anyone in their right mind would seriously definition that person as an elf and rewrite the definition of elf by removing the "fictional being" part
I assume you mean
>doubt anyone in their right mind would seriously [call or claim] that person [is] an elf
I edited that way 'cause I think even you, as a human, aren't "defined" as a human. You just are one. An example or instance of a human. If your mind was uploaded to robot, and you were no longer human, would you not still be you?
I agree that no one in their right mind would seriously call him an elf. Pointy ears do not define an elf. They are not the requirement. If two full elves had a biological child and he was born with round ears, would he be a human? I assume he'd be an elf and that the ears change nothing. Pick your definition of elf. Then, if possible, imagine an example of that in irl. Then tell me if this irl entity is an elf or not. Tell me if it would be incorrect to call that entity an elf.


>As far I am concerned the definition in my book is around the lines of "Futanari are hermaphrodites from Japanese hentais".
If there are futa "from" non-hentai works (ex: western works), they wouldn't be futas, so I'll assume by "from" you mean "originated from". If so I'd say this is more proper than the "futanari are fictional" definition. It is no longer subjective. I could possibly work with this. The only way this could be false is if it turns out futas didn't originate from japanese hentais, and I don't feel a need to question that.

However,
>The fact it's in hentai alone preclude that they anything but fictional
Originating from hentai/fiction does not mean it is fictional. Take railguns and lasers for example. These concepts, to my knowledge, originated in science fiction, but they are not fictional. (If my understanding of your futa definition is wrong, please correct me)

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>>11453406
>Ideally the best is a nice precise definition but if you leave the door open, fags will try to shoehorn their bullshit
One of the reasons why I want this rentry to be as perfect as I can get it. I want to leave no room for confusion or ambiguity, if possible.

>I try to not be too precise with my own definition because it would cause issues and bring more debate like I could allow pseudo-hermaphrodites
Now is the time to give this a name and get it added to the rentry. Wikipedia already has a spot on it that kinda matches your definition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite#Pseudohermaphroditism), however the direct pseudohermaphrodite page says something totally different. Define pseudohermaphrodite (or maybe give it another name), and use the word around. Maybe you can even make threads that say "pseudohermaphrodites allowed".


You guys have been trying to convince me that futa should be defined as fictional. If I may give some possible approaches that might work:
1) Show that to be futa one must be fictional. That being futa is incompatible with irl.
2) Show that if there was an irl futa, despite being the same as the fictional form, it could not be considered futa for some reason.
Maybe there are other ways, but that's off the top of my head.

Btw, do you guys know of any examples where the fictional form of something and the irl form can't be called the same? I was thinking about this, but I couldn't find any examples.

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>>11453407
(No text here. I posted a lot of words, so I wanted to add in another pic)

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>>11453407
>pseudohermaphrodites allowed
already going very autistic but the OP do have "male-looking futanari" so yes it would work, I just need to remember it by the end of the month when this thread dies

>>11453406
yes, while futanari is japanese in its origin it's not exclusive to it. Lots of non-japanese media are somewhat japanese-deriviated like how american/europeans/chinese cartoons can look and feel like anime. Lots of western drawn porn has actual futanari in it. In those cases, I'd say it's fine for the futanari term to be applied to them. Similarly to how a well known dish that has spread beyond its cultural origin might have both its original and translated/local term used at once in this case futanari/hermaphrodite.
>Originating from hentai/fiction does not mean it is fictional
Someone making shit up doesn't mean at some point it could be real, especially if it's baseless. Also the devil's proof: you can't prove the non-existance of something definitively. So that line of thinking mean that nothing is fictional.
>originated in science fiction
Wrong but also science fiction(read:GOOD hard sci-fi) is based on speculative science. It's not baseless.

>>11453407
To repeat myself: you can't prove the non-existance of something since one could always argue that we just haven't seen it either because we haven't found it or it might exist in the future. To allow this line of thinking mean everything is possible. It's much better to go for the opposite that nothing exist(ie isn't fictional) until proof of its existence. As such, futanari and elves are both fictional beings.
For point 2, it goes back to a previous post. Futanari remain a porn term just like shemale. People dont call mtf trannies in the streets "shemales". Since Futanari evolved in the west as a term for japanese herm porn, it doesn't make sense it would be used outside of porn to describe irl human hermaphrodites. Best it could do is be applied to irl human herms in porn just like shemale.

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>>11453407
>fictional form of something and the irl form can't be called the same
Shemale like I said is the easiest that come to mind. A lot of porn terms, same with otaku. Maybe saying "irl form" isn't correct, it's rather than some words are meaningless outside of their sphere of influence. It's like using otaku terms in front of a kid watching his saturnday cartoons like sakuga, it can't be applied because that term isn't known in the other sphere. So for that kid to understand what sakuga mean, you would need to get him into the otaku sphere of interest.
Sometime terms get out of their sphere and hit mainstream without becoming official words in a serious big dictionary(dictionaries depend on the language some languages have central bodies of authorities). However in those cases, the words remain familiar language or are just too vulgar to be used in every single context. Think about penis, peepee and phallus. Everyone knows what peepee mean but it's not appropriate to use that word as an adult because you will look like a retard. Most people should know what phallus is but it lies at the opposite, it's somewhat too serious to be used in most context and thus is de facto reserved in more scientific and medical contexts. Same thing with Futanari, it's belong to the otaku/hentai/2d porn sphere and is at least in the west exclusively a porn term. Japanese doesn't seem to use "Futanari" as their standard "serious" word for hermaphrodite(https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/雌雄同体), so it's leading me to believe futanari might be mostly used for porn and mythology for them. Us fags who use a language influenced by ancient greek, have mostly one word for hermaphrodism.

>>11453408
2k character limit fucking suck on 4chan, I dont even bother continuing once I see it. I just abreviate and cut parts then start removing punctuation and do other tricks to make my post fit
some alt-chan have 20k limit and it's pretty hard to hit it, while 2k limit real deep convo without multiposts

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>>11453518
>>11453406
You are arguing with someone who says he doesnt want confusion, yet wants to leave it open for speculation about whether or not futanari can be real. They cannot be real. So that's what it says. A definition is a list of facts about what something is because we aren't talking about an abstract concept. Compare the definition of an animal to the definition of a giraffe. For the giraffe, it depends on what facts you deem relevant. Originates in Africa, long necks, genus, etc. Whether he likes it or not, the fact that futanari is fictional is relevant, because it should not be confused with trannies and faggots in real life, nor intersex and psuedohermaphrodites.

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>>11453513
>already going very autistic but the OP do have "male-looking futanari" so yes it would work
Male-looking futanari (otoko futanari) is unrelated to pseudohermaphrodite. I don't quite see the connection you're making with the two.

>So that line of thinking mean that nothing is fictional.
>To repeat myself: you can't prove the non-existance of something since one could always argue that we just haven't seen it either because we haven't found it or it might exist in the future.
Santa Claus is a fictional character. What he is claimed to be able to do (ride across the world on a biological flying reindeer, carrying presents for billions of people, and stopping at millions or billions of houses in a single night (including stopping for a bit of occasional cookies)) to my understanding is impossible. His claimed capabilities is incompatible with our reality. He is fictional, and always will be. If there is ever a "irl Santa" he will be different than this fictional Santa since this fictional Santa's abilities are impossible.
Tom Sawyer is fictional. I've never read the books, but I assume this takes place between the 1700s and 1900s. I assume he is said to be born during that time in his book(s) as well. I also assume this is no record of an irl person with this name and having done what he is claimed to have done, at the times he did it. Since the 1900s have ended, if there was never an irl Tom Sawyer, then there can never be one since the time he is said to have lived is over. Tom Sawyer is fictional.

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>>11453513
>>11453558
>Wrong but also science fiction(read:GOOD hard sci-fi) is based on speculative science. It's not baseless.
If I am wrong about railguns and lasers, so be it, but the point still stands, even without an example. (The point that originating from fiction does not mean it is fictional.) But if you want an example, then AI or robots. I am pretty confident at least one of these started as fiction before they were made to be real in irl.

>For point 2, it goes back to a previous post. Futanari remain a porn term just like shemale. People dont call mtf trannies in the streets "shemales".
>Shemale like I said is the easiest that come to mind.
Shemale doesn't work. Pretty sure I've heard this term irl, or at least in non-pornographic movies, to call a tranny or ladyboy. I don't see it often now-a-days, possibly because it's consider derogatory now (maybe it was back then to, idk). Either way, derogatory or not, to my understanding, calling a tranny a shemale isn't incorrect.

>>11453558
Guess what? Just like how Santa can't fly around the world in one night. People can't have a penis and a vagina! Just because you imagine that futanari could exist, it is not anymore non-fictional than Santa claus.

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>>11453559
He is wrong about shemales. Shemales are not fictional, but it is a pornographic term. The realm of pornography and the realm of fiction are valid reasons to define a term as being part of those realms, however. Futanari would never be used to describe a real life hermaphrodite, because of both. Shemale is a man who gets surgery to look like a woman and is a pornographc term. Their identity isn't relevant and you could call a tranny a shemale, but you wouldn't because its only used in pornography. This is why I tried to explain dickgirl as a fictional term to you, now we are here all over again.

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>>11453558
>don't quite see the connection
Then you must be a retard so why bother reading the rest of your posts if you got such bad reading comprehension.
>ah yes we are getting very autistic with the OP but since we were already precise to an autistic degree by mentioning male-looking futanari, why not also mention pseudo-hermaphrodites to get the legacy futanari in there too
It's not rocket science. Useless to keep arguing with someone who can't understand such basic notions yet keep arguing like he's some academicfag.
You remind me of some chink I once knew and that person was deeply autistic about arguing for the sake of arguing and in the end no one really like him because he kept bothering everyone with useless debates where he was wrong but made everyone exhausted because of stupid circular logic that is wrong and meritless.

>>11453567
I meant shemales aren't a term you'd hear irl as in offline vs online not as in "applicable only in fiction". Because the stupid argument was "well um if there is an human hermaphrodite irl why wouldn't we call it a futanari?????" and then I said while people might call it a futanari it would only be applicable in the realm of porn just like now.

>>11453744
Not a futa.

>>11453744
gtfo to >>11368581

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New Mikoyan out:
https://e-hentai.org/g/3730584/af9b496a7b/

>>11453805
Man did I get bored of his stuff. Feel like one has seen everything he has to offer 10 years ago.

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>>11453756
>>11453775

>>11454033
good, now that's a proper futa

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What do you imagine dating a futanari would be like? I guess, I'm asking how the world would see such a pair between men/futa, woman/futa or futa/futa. Would it be the same as interracial dating or would complications with birthing a child have a hand it? Like if you lived in a world where only futa could impregnate each other or something along those lines.

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>>11450007
>>11450089
>>11450119
>>11450165
Don't you guys come here to jack off? Why do you type all this shit?

>>11453805
I feel I saw this many times before

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Piercing ring.

>>11454065
If only futanari could impregnate each other, then to be in a relationship with one as a non futa would be like bestiality. Most depictions show that futa can reproduce with each other as well as men and women, which is what I would prefer. In that case, male/futa and female/futa would be seen as normal as a male/female. Even futa/futa would technically be a homosexual relationship but not immoral because its reproductive unlike gays and lesbians. But futanari would create an issue. In my world, futanari would essentially be a woman with a penis, so even though she could reproduce with a woman, you would have a woman in a man's role which I dont think is good, so futanari should be rare and be treated as women. Female/futa and futa/futa would be stigmatized.

>>11450119
XX+XY => XX|XY (each 50%)
XX+XZ => XX|XZ (each 50%)
XZ+XY => XX|XY|XZ|YZ (each 25%)
XZ+XZ => XX|XZ|ZZ (25, 50, 25)
YZ or ZZ might be non-viable though if Z doesn't provide basically all the genetics of a modified X, so in those cases expect a miscarriage maybe.

I suppose Z would need to provide modified Y genetics, duplicate the sex organs, supress testosterone through most of the body except one set of genitals, somehow sort out what goes where in that mess, and rewire the brain to handle sensation and control of the extra genitals.

>>11454161
I think it might work if you just add a sex chromosome.
Instead of one X and one X or Y, there's three.
People are XXX (female), XXY, (Futa), or XYY (Male).
You get two chromosomes from either the egg or the sperm, not sure which has more interesting math. I'll assume eggs, eggs have more room for extra shit, but, really either should work.
I dunno the exact math for pairings, besides a futa & a woman being unable to produce a male, and females being relatively more common overall, but this prevents futas from being an independent, outside thing, and just utilizes existing genes for expression.
I know trisomes show up in the sex chromosome slot as it is already, this would just make that the standard, and might make how futa gametes and meiosis occur on existing hardware.

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>>11453560
>Just like how Santa can't fly around the world in one night. People can't have a penis and a vagina!
Prove it. I proved that Santa is required to be fictional. If it's "just like" then prove that having a penis and a vagina can only be done in fiction just like I did for Santa. If you can't prove that, then I don't think you can say it's "just like".

>>11453567
>>11453518
Guys, we're not making any progress like this, and with one or both of you, we're just going in circles.
My point has been that futa should not be defined as fictional, that is, something should not be required to be fictional in order to be futa. You guys have tried to argue otherwise mostly by proving that all known futa is fictional, but that is different than being defined as, or being required to be fiction, and I've seen no argument from you all that says futa is required to be fictional.

We argue and didn't really get any where. I gave points on where I'd be willing to change, but it seems that may also lead no where. Shall we try another approach then? What about compromise? Rather then saying "Futa is fictional" can it be "There are no irl recorded cases of futa"? This no longer leads one to believe it is part of the definition, while at the same time it still informs the reader that futa currently only exists in fiction at best.

>>11454078
>Don't you guys come here to jack off?
Nah.

>>11454161
>XZ+XY => XX|XY|XZ|YZ (each 25%)
>XZ+XZ => XX|XZ|ZZ (25, 50, 25)
Eggs are typically only with an X so I projected that onto futa eggs as well. That would remove the YZ and ZZ possibilities.

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Just so all of you fags know
You are all disgusting tranny loving faggots who use ridiculous coping mechanisms to ignore the fact you like chicks with dicks. AKA troons
No them having a pussy too doesn't count. you are all basically troon loving faggots. You like dick so you are gay. You like women with dick. Trannies even though they aren't real women are the same fucking concept. You want to fuck what are basically idealised versions of troons.
You are all disgusting and need to hang. you post weird veiny necrotic shit too that would make any sane person gag.

>>11454363
>we're just going in circles
No we aren't, you were given reasons why futanari can only be fictional and you keep ignoring it because "one day maybe there might be ONE(1) human hermaphrodite and porn-addicted losers will call them a futanari irl"
With "if"s you can do whatever you want, you can turn the moon into a futanari too with enough "but what if". All nonsense because you want to argue for the sake of arguing. I feel this is just some falseflagging shit at that point because it's so far removed from anything productive it feel like anything but productive and worth engaging in. Along the bad reading comprehension either from being esl or bad faith falseflagging, you don't even give us a single merit for defining futanari as not fictional
Whole thing feel as some cope as someone desperate to feel validated "if I cut myself a new hole, I could at least call myself a pseudo-futanari or maybe even a genuine futanari if in the future we get some super tranny tech"
Which hasn't happened yet nor is it guaranteed to ever happen. Either that or someone just want to waste our time and hope we shoot ourselves in the foot with meaningless argumentation and along the nuances they go "see, it's all meaningless!!! this is why we should let shemales/tranny be included because le language change and im forcing it down everyone's throat"

>prove that having a penis and a vagina can only be done in fiction
It's easy, it's called sexual reproduction. Humans have 2 sex, has been the case since the dawn of mankind and still is. There are also no mammal hermaphrodites. Closest you get to us humans are fishes. There is a very strong precedent of million of years and millions of species never becoming hermaphrodites because the system of 2 biological sexes just work.
inb4 m-m-muh future futa tech: read above
Until then it's 100% fiction end of story no if

>>11454382
>t.self-hating tranny projecting because we wont validate his futanari delusion
and a good day to you SIR

>>11454382
Liking shemales isn't gay, there is science proving it. Also futa and shemale isn't the same thing. the binary of liking anything other than women who are your age or older makes you a deviant is an american idea pushed by feminists, jews and seventh day adventists that causes sexual repression.

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>>11454382
I know it's gay to love cock even if it's attached to a girl, I don't fool myself with coping mechanisms like other closeted people who live in their own world where penis fetishism is somehow heterosexual, but I don't care. Futas are the only thing I'm into.

>>11454363
You didnt prove that Santa was fictional, you just said it's incompatible with our reality. YOU can't imagine Santa ever existing, but YOU CAN imagine futanari existing. The problem is that BOTH are NOT REAL. BOTH are FICTIONAL. YOU are arbitrarily deciding that futanari can be real in your own mind. We cant prove something doesnt exist, its impossible. The only thing you can do is prove something DOES exist. And you cant prove futanari exist because they are FICTIONAL. We will never say, "there are no reported cases of futanari," because that's just means it's fictional, someone made it up. I don't know why you are unable to separate fiction from reality in this case, but any inclination you have that futanari could be real is not based in reality, it's just your imagination.

>>11453805
Gem!

love how danbooru has a "futa without pussy" tag.

>>11454459
That's basically 'colorless green ideas sleep furiously'.

>>11454382
Yes, and?

>>11454465
Except it isn't, because linguistically you know what they mean.
The fact you are here arguing means you know what they mean.
It is meaningful language, and even you can't deny that.

>>11454459
And gelbooru. Consequences of trannyism unfortunately. Dickgirl, shemale, newhalf are all considered offensive. If they succeed and futanari becomes another word for tranny, then eventually futanari will become offensive. Any word that is used to describe something with negative connotations will eventually be considered a slur, see nigger, negro, colored people, even black.

>>11454534

It's already happening on reddit. Some of the NSFW subs ban the word "futanari" and derivatives. They want to do the same for "hermaphrodite" because they think all this is offensive towards trans people. They are especially pissed off at portrayals of hermaphroditic true futanari with male and female genitalia, because they think it's unrealistic, and don't listen when people tell them futa aren't real and aren't meant to be trans people.

>>11454578
Eww, a redditor has invaded our safe haven.

>>11454382
ok but you are black

>>11454459
>>11454465
>>11454497
It's the same as saying "couple without partner" yes you can understand that means a single person, but it doesn't make sense to say that over single. We can understand what "futa without pussy" means, but a couple is two people and a futanari is a hermaphrodite. "futa without pussy" means male. if you want to separate that concept from normal males, use one of the already established terms like dickgirl, shemale, or newhalf, and if that's too offensive, make something new like gynomorph. It doesn't make any sense to use the term "futa without pussy" to anyone who's not a tranny or a tranny lover.

>>11454459
literal newspeak from 1984

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>>11454578
lmao and bad faith trolls will still argue that it's just "language evolving, there are no tranny involved!"
trannies both mtf and ftm would be natural allies to futafags considering it's the CLOSEST thing to our fetish but considering most of them are narcissistic fuckers with brains rotten by porn, it was never meant to be

>>11454459
Technically newhalfs

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>>11454382

"Stop liking what I don't like!" Says the angry nobody.

Anyways here's some D art.

>>11454734
>handshake with the dick

>>11454794
that pussy peak alpha-female predator vibes, just like a dick could look giga-manly, that vulva look it's about to devour dicks along with the rest of body like it's nothing

>>11454095
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>>11454098
Sauce?

>>11454955
Nvm saucenao found the first one.

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>>11454400
Again, circles.
You say
>you were given reasons why futanari can only be fictional
yet
>you keep ignoring it because "one day maybe there might be ONE(1) human hermaphrodite and porn-addicted losers will call them a futanari irl"
I'm not saying what you're saying is correct, but this alone a is a point against itself. If you did give sufficient reason that futa can only be fictional, then the argument that futa could be possible irl would have been countered.
>It's easy, it's called sexual reproduction....
That's not proof that it can only be done in fiction...

>>11454425
>You didn't prove that Santa was fictional, you just said it's incompatible with our reality.
I proved it was incompatible with our reality by showing what he can do is physically impossible. Though, I guess the proof could have been better if I had used numbers to show more clearly that it is impossible, like the weight of the presents, or the acceleration/deceleration needed to stop and leave each house in time. Or the magical flying. Yeah, I'll admit I could've been more explicit on my "proof", and that I left too much assumption to the reader.


None of you seem interested in a compromise either. I guess this is it then? We can't come to an agreement on a definition for futanari. I have other problem(s) with the rentry too, but I have doubts a debate on it will lead anywhere. If there's ever a need for consensus on the current rentry, let it be known I am against it.

Here's Crim. One of my favorite outside-of-porn futas.

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>>11454955
Efuya is the artist for all of them.

>>11454966
god shut the fuck up, no one care about your mental illness, go be a stubborn retarded autist in another thread

>>11454966
We have come to an agreement, you are the only one who can't understand that futanari is fictional. If you can find an actual issue within the rentry, I will hear it.

>>11454631

I support trans people doing their thing but I don't think it's the same thing as futa.

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>>11455345

Well i sure as hell don't support there mental illness nor do i acknowledge there demands.
It is a poison to society that has rippling consequences and needs to be stamped out with extreme prejudice.

>>11455402
Based

>>11455402
>>11455345
https://files.catbox.moe/s1kan2.GIF

I rewrote most sections for clarity. Let me know if you like the changes.
https://rentry.co/futanaritag

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>>11455554
diagram of the sex is good but if you had non-AI art it would be better but sadly most japanese stuff is censored.
The hermaphrodite def is very good, I think it's important to remind people that they don't exist in humans otherwise you get mentally ill people clinging to false hopes.
The pseudo-hermaphrodite is also good and more useful than the hermaphrodite since it's both a thing you see in hentai and irl like the exemple given but I doubt that exemple is found in a lot of hentai.
The "How did it get this way?" is also very good because it didn't devolve into schizo paranoia about trannies conspiracies while still mentioning it as a factor. It's important to be factual and neutral in tone. Same with the "language evolve" counter-counter argument.

I'd say your biggest mistake is not updating the changelog to today. Unless I went back in time to december.
The tone is good and the definitions are all correct in my book.

>>11455574
I did update the changelog but I put 2025/01/13 instead of 2026/01/13. Fixed it now.

>>11455554
Give me your comments. Silence is violence. #FutaLivesMatter

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Reincarnated while getting blowjob

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Drill hair.

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>thinking about female teacher or boyfriends

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Tifuta Cockhart

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>>11454382
>you like chicks with dicks
Yes!
>AKA troons
No, that's a man

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>>11457740
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>>11458801

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For me, it's Uno Makoto, the grandfather of futa porn. Followed by Messy, Xipa, Sugar, Spammayo, Bosshi, TRUMP, Aya Shobon, Condessa, Puru, and Kawakami

>>11459098
You forgot momo no suidousui, musashino sekai, gekka kaguya, akiamare, and redrum

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>dominant "power bottom" smug lewd female, uses her intelligence, trickery, and seduction to get her way
>she dominates a stronger, muscular amazon futa, either by sheer lust, blackmail, some sort of contract, or magic binding
>the futa basically becomes a slave to her own lusts, acting as a living dildo for her mistress
Does anyone else love this dynamic?

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>>11459098
Uno Makoto's the artist who got me into futa in the first place but Mikoyan and Hidarikiki are also top tier. Kunaboto's recent futa art also a nice change of pace from him drawing either ugly bastards or weird fucked up gremlin midgets.

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>>11460135
*art is

>>11459098
>berull gets a huge amount of tracktion after doing futa
>he starts doing more and more futa instead of ntr

hahaha YES!

>>11460600
Who's the artist?

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>>11449879

Is it really that important? Are you going to keel over from a heart attack if an image tagged 'futanari' is not your specific definition of futanari?

>>11461215
Yes, if there's visibly no pussy I will die of a heart attack

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>>11461215
Yes, I have a rare syndrome called "futanari terminal autism".

Enjoying the occasional futa top is fine, but the futanari penis is actually the illusion of choice. She is a woman, so if you come across a futanari with a preference for domination, it means she needs correction. In reality, her penis is only there to show how much she enjoys your penis.

>>11461992
Futas are more dominant than the average man. It's what remains of the amazon tribe.

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>>11461992
um based

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i LOVE massive dicks

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>>11462589
same desu

>>11462589
>>11462633
Horse dicks are disgusting. Most retarded shit ever. You're a furry.

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why no one in the internet has the entire MatchMuse Rudolf x Air Groove hentai

>>11462721
Oh, i bet you love limpy dicks, you misophallic!

>>11462785
>AI slop
A shame

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Hey everyone, I need some help to improve this big sausage!
ReZero has some great futa potential

>>11463281
Looks good! I feel like maybe the penis head should be pointed slightly more towards the "camera" if that makes sense. Maybe even rotated slightly so it's following the curve the rest of the shaft is making.

>>11463284
Thank you for the input, even if its a small change

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>>11462785
>AI
>hypershit
>not even horsecock
>paywalled on patreon
God I fucking hate these umaniggers gachafags and other stupidly retarded cumbrains. People who pay for porns are retarded but to pay for AI porn is beyond understanding. The only reason should be the donate to good artists you personally want to keep going, not buying gay ass porn made by some poojeet.

>>11463281
the hands on the futa are weird, one is clawed and big, the other is normal
might be a character I don't know or there is 2 people

>>11463319
Nah, thats intended, she can do that.
Character is Capella Emeralda Lugunica, a shapeshifter that can transform herself and others, making this artwork lore accurate.

Also crazy as hell so extra points!

Why don't futanari exist in real life? The jews.

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>>11463646
True

Does anyone else think it's hot when a girl has a penis and a pussy??

>>11463281
I feel like the shape of the head is a little off. Is this Capella and Natsumi?

>>11464497
Hope I could make it a bit better in the meantime!
And you are absolutly correct

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>>11464090
that's kind of the point

>>11464514
Why does she have a wolf hand?

>>11464630
already explained, she's a shapeshifter from ReZero

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>>11459629
>>11459043
>>11458801

>>11464789
[Sentakuki] Otasaa Futanari Hime no Junan (Futanari Friends! 07)

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It's fucking here at last.
https://x.com/HardDegenerate/status/2017429637576470639

>>11465180
holy moly

>>11454083
>>11454085
>>11454086
>>11454087
Not bad.

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tfw I probably called Jeff a retard on /gif/ for not knowing that futa need a pussy

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>>11465349
HEX-chan!!!

>>11465349
Who is Jeff? The guy who starts all the 3d dickgirl threads and calls it futa? Well he added dickgirl and shemale to the title which is the best we can ask for.

>>11465349
Oh! Epstein, maybe lmao

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>>11465540
Somewhere in islands?

>>11464512
Nice. I feel that Capella is super underutilized in porn, not just for being a shapeshifter but for being a nutcase with a habit of inflicting horrifying transformations on others for no particular reason.

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>>11461031
friedchikenC or umaiagechicken, a bunch of stuff on X under the latter name
also on exhentai there's an image set titled "[Twitter] friedchikenC / umaiagechicken" which is a bit easier
unfortunately translations are rare

>>11465180
>144K likes
Wew

>>11465567
>>11465754
I normally don't like Hilda being portrayed as a futa but these are hot

>>11449713

I'm sure no one will read this or find the image I mean but I am 100% sure there was an image of Poison as a futa peeing on Pixiv, I encountered it like 5 years ago and jerked off to it countless times but I lost it.....

It was either Poison, tagged as her or not or just a pink haired futa with big tits sitting on her butt and peeing a fountain in the air / on herself, it was so fucking hot...
Pretty sure there were multiple posts and not just that one immediately visible as the thumbnail and the artist had other posts on their page that were, no offense, basically doodles, but that one really hot image inbetween them.... I'd love to find that one again.

Shame you can't do HRT and keep your big fertile working cock... Or at least a way to grow tits naturally without any other effects.

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>>11466156
Poison is a shemale not a futa
>>11466157
kys

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>>11466124
When she an Americans.