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Lets all love Lain fellow sad anons.

Remember: Existence is suffering, which is why you keep on living just to piss it off.

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Heeeyyy new one, nice.
Hope this one turns out as comfy as the last.

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>>11454226
been making these for a few years now and yeah they're usually pretty chill and comfy

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Finally crawling out of bed after one of the worst nights ive had in a while. I do wonder if I will need to be a old ass man before I'm demented enough to actually fully believe this is some horrible nightmare, and not reality, or if the years will grind me down before it gets that assistance.

Whenever I see children with my own eyes now I just get weirdly sad. Those poor fools, the world is even worse and technology is even more sinister now. They never stood a chance. Ipad kids are for sure going to be driven 3x as mad once they get to whatever age a millennial is supposed to be now.

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>>11454045
>TFW you will never coax your neet gf out of her cave after work with a plate of chicken tendies.
>You'll never sit there smiling contentedly while she goes into adorably autistic detail about whatever rabbit hole she went down today.
>You'll never have to remind her that she hasn't showered all week.
>You'll never have to do her laundry for her.
>You'll never jealously collect all her little flaws and learn to love every last one of them.
Are we all just here to suffer?

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Oh FUCK yeah small Kara sweep incoming, i fucking love Kara

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i fucking love kara

I am a 25-year-old woman who was a NEET for almost four years. I have been working for two and a half years now. When I was a hikkikomori, everyone was worried about me, and it seemed that everything would improve if I got a job. And that's more or less how it was at first. The job was fine, and my whole family seemed happier and less worried. I helped my family financially after those years, but now I hate my job. I am married, but because I was a hikkikomori, I couldn't enjoy a normal youth. I didn't make friends or find a partner, and I didn't go to college. Now my job is becoming so tiring and monotonous that it reminds me why I became a hikkikomori in the first place,Are there any NEETs/hikkikomori here who have gone through something similar? I would have liked to have had a normal adolescence, and now I feel the same as when I was a NEET, only with a job
I'm sorry for sharing my life here, but I don't know many places for hikikomori

>>11455354
Idk, ask your husband. 4 years is nothing.

>>11455354
You need a therapist, not 4chan. It's possible you were/are depressed. It's possible you have a certain "equilibrium point" to which you wish to return because it takes too much energy to maintain a different level of activity/self-care/whatever. It's possible you've become disillusioned in the promises of normalcy you bought into (job/marriage/family support). It's possible everyone around you thinks you're OK now and don't require any kind of assistance (emotional/financial/etc). It's possible your job isn't sufficiently stimulating, which isn't actually a YOU problem...but you not having a college diploma will severely limit your options to change or advance your career (which would renew the challenge/stimulate you out of necessity to meet new expectations). It's possible you're just not a "self-starter" and need an external force to keep pushing you (which ideally would be something your husband knew he signed up for, but maybe he's got too much on his plate to push you as well).

I'm not your therapist. I'm not even A therapist. But you're venting on a fetish porn board, and if you're real, you need better help.

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>I am married, but because I was a hikkikomori, I couldn't enjoy a normal youth. I didn't make friends or find a partner
The fuck does that even mean? You mean never dated in high school? That's normal, no friends, dead-end job, probably relationship without love. Neet lifestyle is an escape from all that but a solution to none.

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>>11455112
I don't know why but the idea of you being so sad gave me a huge boner.

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>>11455614
I'm pretty positive I have a thousand yard stare going on while I go on my twice-weekly 20 minute walks in a attempt to not fully float away from this earth. A combination of a thousand yard stare and looking out for various forms of stalker women.

It was top tier miserable weather when I went for the last one 30 minutes ago. Maybe that makes you hornier, idk. I prefer when the world looks like a overcast Half Life 2 level but I would prefer if my soul didn't feel like one. You can't control what makes you horny, it's why I don't judge people on what gets them off, and have a lot of mercy for if they're being horny in a unhealthy way.

>>11455396
True, I guess I'm a little disappointed by my teherapist answers I got a job, and now that I have it, I don't know what to do. Everything feels blurry and the same. The last thing you said hit home

Thank you very much and you're right I'll try not to vent on fetish porn boards, thanks again

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>>11455621
Hey people will be a bit mean on the porn fetish board but it's fine. Venting about this stuff is why this thread exists.

I will say that I believe that people are the best support you can have. The mind cons itself into all manner of things which is why interaction with reality and the people inside of it is so important. You've got that self doubt that you've screwed things up by missing important milestones, but my fellow sad autist nobody is actually happy, this world isn't right and a lot of people are just putting on a mask. Your mind can con yourself into thinking you can never get better but for you at least you've got that husband sitting right there. Seems pretty hard to argue it's not actually 100% over, dudes right there, you managed to not alienate 100% of humanity.

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>>11455396
>I'm not your therapist. I'm not even A therapist. But you're venting on a fetish porn board, and if you're real, you need better help.
We're probably better help than a therapist. And they're certainly welcome to ask as long as this doesn't become a glorified advice thread.
>>11455621
>I got a job, and now that I have it, I don't know what to do.
The overwhelming majority of people find no satisfaction or completion in their work. Their job is what they do to live their life, they don't live their life to go work. Getting a job is important but the bigger questions of life are things you have to figure out on your own.
>>11455619
They probably weren't staring.

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>>11455707
>We're probably better help than a therapist.
I would question that but then a huge part of having supports is those people being able to understand you, and I cannot even begin to describe what is actually bothering me to someone who is even 5% normal.

Even if talking to 4chan is like screaming into the void at least there's a chance the void is messed up in the very specific terminally online way you are.

>They probably weren't staring
No I mean that I have a bit of a intense look to me a lot these days. Ive always had intense eyes, but long term isolation is really starting to break me down. Every time I glimpse myself in the mirror I can see it, it's hard to explain, but I suspect I either look extremely sad and distant or just cast daggers directly through people.

That's probably just me being self conscious about myself though. Life is hard, without the touching grass expedition I'd probably be permanently disassociated from reality.

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>>11455805
>That's probably just me being self conscious about myself though.
You're probably being self conscious about it. You might be right but getting outside is more important than making sure normies don't experience discomfort.
>I would question that but then a huge part of having supports is those people being able to understand you, and I cannot even begin to describe what is actually bothering me to someone who is even 5% normal.
That's what it boils down to. Unless you're pretty normie-core and are such a midwit that you need to pay a shrink to tell you what's obviously wrong with you, a therapist is a giant waste of time and money. Someone who doesn't even live on the same planet as you can't hope to relate to you and can't give meaningful, actionable advice. If we're reading this right we're lead to believe that anon's shrink told them to get a job, and absolutely nothing else.
>but long term isolation is really starting to break me down.
Get a cellmate, imo.

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>>11455816
>a therapist is a giant waste of time and money
Hey I live in one of those countries where its supposed to only be a waste of time. I actually think trying to talk to one would be helpful for me, even if its literally just to talk to someone, anyone at all. Going to attempt to ask my psychiatrist for one at my next appointment.

It took me 3 years to get that psychiatrist. I find it unrealistic to expect a similar timeframe for a collapsing healthcare system to get me a talk therapist, maybe 2 or 3 times more. I know forcing people to spend money on this shit is the reason why healthcare is in freefall so that one day it can be fully privatized but I am instantly suspicious of all those private practice shrinks that are only legal because not even God can save North America.

Probably right about it just being self conscious but thankfully I have kept myself from talking this way when I occasionally am able to break through hell and speak to a human being.

>get a cellmate, imo
Yeah im working on it. Do you know how deeply messed up your actual peers are as a sad internet autist? I don't know what we've all done to end up in this hell dimension as disconnected from each other as we are from everything that has ever made us human but the only thing I know for sure is there is no bottom to whatever the fuck this planet is.

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>>11455821
There is a better world out there if you're willing to fight for it but I don't think anyone who finds themselves in neetdom ever truly leaves. You just find ways of negotiating around it. You get the job that pays decently and you can tolerate because it gets you outside and if you're not autistic those neet bux don't last forever.
>Hey I live in one of those countries where its supposed to only be a waste of time.
It still isn't free then and it's a bigger waste of time. The system in the US is ass but at least you don't wait three years to be disappointed by a shitty shrink.
>I don't know what we've all done to end up in this hell dimension as disconnected from each other as we are from everything that has ever made us human but the only thing I know for sure is there is no bottom to whatever the fuck this planet is.
My narrow social circle all died. Some literally, some proverbially. I think at the end of the day we were just the people no one wanted to bother looking out for because they saw no personal benefit in it.

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>I don't think anyone who finds themselves in neetdom ever truly leaves.
Probably. And if you think it was a better part of your life, why would you? For those who genuinely want to break out, I don't see why you can't, it just comes down if you can find something that's more comforting for you than being a neet.
But I'm old and stopped caring about a lot of things, and grew to despise reveling in my own misery. You can be different and have different values, stay neet or near neet and enjoy life. The thing that put us into neetdom in the 1st place is rejecting careerism and other traditional values, all you have to do is to accept and love your true self, despite all that society, your past peers and family were pushing on you. It's everyone 1st time being alive, they don't know any better than you do.
And I'm still pathetic by most people's standards, but as long as I can get by and not become completely invisible and untouchable I don't mind that kind of existence.

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There's pixiv tag for neet girls but not many images tagged with it.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/%E3%83%8B%E3%83%BC%E5%AD%90

>>11455623
>I believe that people are the best support you can have.
Yeah
The people I've managed to collect, are absolutely the best part of life. The people that have helped and taught me things, the people that are some of the only things that can get me out of the house to do something. Not everyone you meet, or even make friends with, are this kind of good person, but cherish the ones that are. Don't let them go.

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>>11456046
>cherish the ones that are
Ive only ever had two close friends. Two people I managed to form a human connection with for the first time.

I know one of them is only proverbially dead. The other, I can only hope they aren't literally. I will cherish the memories I have of them forever.

>>11456071
I've made a few, but, not all of them have been, I dunno, "real", you know?
A bunch of people in college and high school, that I lost contact with almost immediately after, people who I realized I was putting in 100% of the relationship on, and, when I tested to see what would happen if I stopped, just functionally disappeared.
I have three precious people, and then my parents, that I'm lucky enough to have a very good relationship with, and are good people, independent of any bias I might have for them.
I feel especially lucky to have so many. I know a lot don't have that many.
You just have to keep trying for it. For every dozen, two dozen people that don't work out, one might. And, that one is worth the effort put into the ones that weren't. People who are the ones to sometimes get ahold of YOU to do something, that YOU can sometimes feel like the asshole for not reaching out as much as you could. People you can fuck up with, and still have something. You know?

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>tfw never going to enter her room and my lung suffering from her foul stench
why live?

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>>11456254
>People who are the ones to sometimes get ahold of YOU to do something, that YOU can sometimes feel like the asshole for not reaching out as much as you could. People you can fuck up with, and still have something. You know?
That's just a friend. People who aren't willing to jeopardize the relationship they have with you to stop you from doing something they think will truly harm you aren't actually friends.
>A bunch of people in college and high school, that I lost contact with almost immediately after, people who I realized I was putting in 100% of the relationship on, and, when I tested to see what would happen if I stopped, just functionally disappeared.
Yeah, basically this.

I was told to focus on school and work hard, so I did. I worked hard for several years, only to burn out and become neet. While the guys who went to party's made connections and worked easy jobs and made more than I ever made and all have houses and family now. I hate everything.

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>>11457189
Similar story. My parents wanted me to be a STEMcel and forced me to study for all of high school. Problem was, I had no motivation. Didn't care for any fields, so dropped out of college. Didn't have anything to buy, so no hunting for good jobs.

Now I scrape by at minimum wage and live a pseudo-NEET lifestyle at home. My only regret is wasting all that time in high school.

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>>11457747
The 'triumph of the nerds' type scenario was some of the most pernicious bullshit sold to kids in the 80's - 00's. If you're not aiming for some absurdly competitive roles like being an astronaut what you know is way less important than who you know. The fine minutia of any particular job can be taught or learned, and college does fuck all to prepare you for all but the most seriously captured jobs that all require licenses anyways- doctors and lawyers and what not.
And yeah, these assholes waste so much of your life to the scale of a decade (high school AND college) and expect to be lionized in society for it. Absolute madness.
>>11456346
You'll never get uncomfortably addicted to it and secretly get off on her smell even if you pretend to not like it. You'll never drag her off to the shower to force her to bathe like a disobedient dog.

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This is basically an /e/ or /c/ thread, hardly any actual hentai in here.

>>11457978
i thought you have to be degenerate wanting to date girls like them

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>>11457978
neet website

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Everyone about fixing girls, but sometimes i think about how much worse i can make her.

>>11455354
>I am a 25-year-old woman who was a NEET for almost four years. I have been working for two and a half years now. When I was a hikkikomori, everyone was worried about me, and it seemed that everything would improve if I got a job. And that's more or less how it was at first. The job was fine, and my whole family seemed happier and less worried. I helped my family financially after those years, but now I hate my job. I am married, but because I was a hikkikomori, I couldn't enjoy a normal youth. I didn't make friends or find a partner, and I didn't go to college. Now my job is becoming so tiring and monotonous that it reminds me why I became a hikkikomori in the first place,Are there any NEETs/hikkikomori here who have gone through something similar? I would have liked to have had a normal adolescence, and now I feel the same as when I was a NEET, only with a job

I dont know where you live but that seems to be how it goes. I was almost a neet for 2 years. I didnt used family money or from the gov. I got tired of my job and saved up a years worth of money and quit.

It feels great for the first 6 months. To just let go of all that work stress and get enough sleep and do some hobbies you neglected. But eventually you have little money and csnt afford to visit people or go do things. Eventually you end up eating very simple cheap meals over and over. You become an isolated prisoner.

Jobs often cycle back to that. Current one wants 9 to 10 hours a day. They dont staff enough people for night shift so people have to come in to fix things. There are no single people here so I haven't dated since taking the job. Friends all live a hour away. Too tired to do hobbies when I get home.

Things shouldn't be like this. You should be able to work 8 hours and date and have hobbies

>>11455354
>boo hoo poor me im such a girlfailure
>but also i have a steady job and loving husband and caring family
>but... there was a time when i didn't! feel sorry for me about that please
>also even this isn't enough to satisfy me now, because the grass is always greener on the other side
Love from Kazakhstan

>>11457884
>The 'triumph of the nerds' type scenario was some of the most pernicious bullshit sold to kids in the 80's - 00's. If you're not aiming for some absurdly competitive roles like being an astronaut what you know is way less important than who you know. The fine minutia of any particular job can be taught or learned, and college does fuck all to prepare you for all but the most seriously captured jobs that all require licenses anyways- doctors and lawyers and what not.

The thing people didnt mention or didnt know is that nerds only triamph when technology and the money related to it is booming.When markets and industries are growing faster than the labor pool csn supply it. Thats when nerds have leverage that they are often not aware of. Everything is leverage and power to the normals. Worse still, this probably applies to morality and social progress as well. Normals see them as luxuries to be cut when things are down.

If the economy was booming we'd all be fine. They'd give 5 or 6 jobs everywhere to nerds. You'd do your little computer job and talk about your nerd shit with the other 4 nerds.

Unfortunately a lot of places are on a down turn and the dorks are the first to get cut. Either because they have the weakest social bonds or because a normal has conspired against them to twke their job and strengthen their position. Then the normal gets the job and uses his charisma to chip away at the technical requirements. No more computer reports. Or tracking. Or using stats and simulations to track the business.

The business starts to rot out from the inside and the normals are blind to it or jimp off like rats to another for another ship at port.

>>11458579

I think most Americans can share some empathy with how jobs are increasingly joyless and how they rob us away from fsmily and friends and our hobbies.

Skilled blue, service and white jobs used to be pretty by the book on time. Hours were posted. You could be fired for coming in late. You left after 8 hours. You'd get promoted if you worked over. Jobs on call were higher pay.

Now companies are entitled to working over, calling you at all hours and the pay isn't much better than if you were just some hourly slub at the bottom. Bonuses are being cut out entirely.

"Well they could" just shut up. They shouldn't have to. It has never been like this. They shouldn't have to do whatever your fantasy solution is.

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If I was to time travel back to school-aged me I am sure he'd be a bit surprised i'm still alive. A little bit disappointed I didn't then start to live life, but I know what he'd be absolutely horrified by.

That he would miss the part of school where he got to see a human being every day. To be able to look right at humanity, to have daily interactions instead of months upon months of isolation. I was always a bit of a introvert, I'm not sure you can live this way and not kill yourself if you don't have that inside of you somewhere, but not a single person is meant for this.

>>11458592
Anon from snow america here. At least that meant I got disability, I probably wouldn't have south of the border. It is half of minimum wage, which already isn't enough to live on. You only "survive" off the charity of family members.

After the second world war there was the anti-deutsche movement that held that the atrocities were because of something innate in German culture. Deep inside my heart I know that mass murder being done solely for economic reasons is far worse than any ideological reasons. It is Anglos that this is actually true for. We live in the result of successfully depopulating a entire continent, the Germans were not successful for a reason. Having grown up in what is supposed to be the core of this culture in well-off suburbs I am fully convinced that this is the most criminal culture to ever exist.

>>11458637
>After the second world war there was the anti-deutsche movement that held that the atrocities were because of something innate in German culture. Deep inside my heart I know that mass murder being done solely for economic reasons is far worse than any ideological reasons. It is Anglos that this is actually true for. We live in the result of successfully depopulating a entire continent, the Germans were not successful for a reason. Having grown up in what is supposed to be the core of this culture in well-off suburbs I am fully convinced that this is the most criminal culture to ever exist.

Germany made a few mistakes:
Hitler idolized fictional cowboys and a lot of his military and political ideals came from that. He had this john Wayne shoot from the hip concept of war. The bkitzkreig was officers trying to make that "ride into town all guns blazing" idea work. Luckily they had radios which made up for any short comings of going in all guns blazing. (Though not so lucky for France)

Going to war on multiple fronts. This was obvious to his generals. Not so obvious to hitlers cowboy sensibilities where cowboys fought and won against multiple tribes and bandits all the time.

Trying to conquer the frontier of other white people. Germany tried very hard to paint the people of conquered lands as savages but it wasnt as successful as what the US and Canada did to slaves and Indians. Ultimately there just wasnt a large enough physical and cultural disparity.

As for us building a hell for ourselves, maybe. Sometimes I wonder if we made this purposely because as weirdos and dorks, we dont like most people and they don't like us. We like being skilled labor in cities because we're left alone and have a little money and do some hobbies with friends. We dont want to be in a small town where half the things we like are treated as evil.

>>11458648
Cont

At some point though, the system we built was stolen by dark triad men and neurotypicals. The systems of laws we created subverted or ignored. Our science discarded. Our economics and accounting cheated and gamed.

>>11458648
>As for us building a hell for ourselves, maybe. Sometimes I wonder if we made this purposely because as weirdos and dorks, we dont like most people and they don't like us. We like being skilled labor in cities because we're left alone and have a little money and do some hobbies with friends. We dont want to be in a small town where half the things we like are treated as evil.

One of the funniest things about nerds that push for returning to the old ways, family values, christian nationalismz anti degeneracy, etc is that it all predicated on them being on top when the system changes back.

And most of them won't be. Those old social systems depend on the same shit high school social hiarchies depended on: charisma, appearance, family ties, etc.

If these people got what they wanted they would still be unhappy because they are annoying losers. The buff cool guy got the girl 1000 years ago. He gets them now. The guy spurging out over rules and ethics and degenerates gets pushed into the dirt

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>>11458648
Talking about WW2 alternate history for sure makes you not a neurotypical. I wonder how different the world would have been if they didn't accidentally stumble upon a armoured doctrine that works way better than all the others. Their tanks were not that good in 1940, it was literally just having a radio in every vic combined with officer initiative that did it, and getting slogged down in France like most people probably expected would have likely led to a coup by the older military aristocracy who only went along with putting a Austrian dude who isn't even a noble in charge since they thought they could work with him against communism.

>>11458652
>nerds push for returning to the old ways
My gamer the more you learn about the nazis the more you understand the top dudes were all fucking degenerate nerds and this might be why they lost so hard they were the fifth most powerful Germany left on the planet by the time they were done.

I think a lot of those dudes just see aesthetic and thinks that'll make them happy. All those evil looking uniforms and black longcoats is largely a fashion show but for men. Like I get it, it looks cool as shit, makes you feel more powerful, but so much of this far right ideology is born of the same patterns of thinking you'd see on a modern day incel board. If only the strong survive and you need to kill them first before they do the same to you then how exactly is that going for you right now? How do you think you'll do building a society that is supposed to see that not only as a historical truth but a moral stance to live by?

Ultimately hurting other people won't make you feel better and more powerful over your own misery. It sure didn't work out for the big H himself.

>>11457978
The fetish is the vibes, anon.
If it's a vibes based fetish it kinda has to be /d/. Like venus. No one part of venus is /d/, but every other red board will bitch and moan if a thread doesn't have a crystal clear, laser focus, and someone sees pubes they don't like, or whatever.

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my boyfriend is kinda shy and a little submissive (which i like) and im the only one with an income right now, how do i convince him that he wants to be the breadwinner so i can be the neet princess insteead

>>11454045
>post and discuss
We fetishize being NEET now? Huh... okay.
>Be wagie: unhappy, have money, no time, still alone
>Be NEET: unhappy, no money, have time, still alone
Think that about sums it up. There is no winning and I want to die but am too much of a pussy. I am currently very comfy living in my mom's basement and I still have a huge stash of diapers to fap through, so while I may be unhappy and in the middle of a mid-life crisis, I don't feel a real need to suicide by cop at the moment, that and my mom guilt tripped me by saying if I die she's going to die too, so... (and my dad cried when he confronted me because my sister ratted about my ideations, which I've never seen him do before). Thanks for reading my blog.

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i had a date that bailed when she saw my wrists.

thread needs smut

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>>11460650
LLMs aren't smart nor trained, but they are up to date and good at answering "What's wrong with me" if you phrase it intelligently or from enough angles. This is how I eventually found psych literature that actually identified what seemed to be much more accurate terms than "treatment resistant depression", which it wasn't.

The back and forth of discussion (even with a glorified chatbot) is also stabilizing and literally helps you not abandon the topic, because you need to spell it out which forces you to actually think things through.

Having an actual, even unprofessional diagnosis enables you to look for a psychiatrist that will actually match your needs. Going blind with the first ones you find is what you'll do the first time and is likely to put you off.

Finally, emotional neglect and isolation are legitimately as or more damaging than physical abuse, so you're likely to legitimately need help because your brains made accurate, facts-based judgements on your situation that morphed into dissociation, paralysis, and learned helplessness.

You can try complex trauma for theory (Bessel, Peter Levine) then/or Body (polyvagal, sensorimotor theory) or Psych based approaches (Schema theory/therapy, IFS, CFT), they'll all basically say the same thing: your brain is fucking you over because that's what your environment taught it.

>>11460432
I mean, offering the trade, of the extra free time you end up with, going into spoiling him, could work. Everyone likes being spoiled.

I've had a funny thought what if neet gooner girls fetishize us like we do in this thread?

>>11461465
define "us" please, i might fetishize you and i might not

>>11460432
Thx i needed a chuckle today

>>11460649
May I see your wrists?

>>11461795
I'm 6'1", have long wavy hair, a strong jaw and a full beard, a STEM degree and high paying job, really good hygeine and love keeping things clean and organized. And my brain is attracted to women who are the complete opposite of me in every way. Just total losers.

>>11461991
i mean yeah before i met my boyfriend (who i love more than anything and will not trade for anyone in the world) i would dream of getting saved by a guy like you

>>11460651
I wonder why there is such a gulf between the books and research out there, even in the US and how stupid many mental health professionals are and the tendency to medicate.

A lot of "crazy" people are normal people having a rational response to an increasingly shitty world

>>11461465
>I've had a funny thought what if neet gooner girls fetishize us like we do in this thread?

Some.do. but its like a tall lanky guy, which tracks.

Me do the same. Most od the women in this thread are curvy or skinny but a lot of modern neets are fat or chubby because of how cheap processed carbs are.

Here is some d content

https://e-hentai.org/g/3753515/370ac366bf/

Neet futa fucks the guy that her mom paid to clean her room. Despite living at home, its an adult woman, so dont worry.

>>11462087
If it makes you (and any other neet girls) feel better, youost likely wouldn't be happy with me. I left out the part where I'm also a raging narcissist and sadist who loves to be worshipped and revered by women while I degrade them. I'm also unwilling to be monogamous, and possessive of women, so I expect them to be loyal to only me while I am free to mess around with other girls. I have a few women in my "harem" who are happy with that lifestyle, but it's definitely not for everyone.

>>11460651
Many doctors have bad habits of not being willing to say "I don't know". Which, to be fair, they kinda aren't allowed to.
The way the medical institution works, is under the assumption the doctor is always right, until proven otherwise, which leads to being hurled off the metaphorical cliff, and hitting a bunch of rocks/medications on the way down. These medications are, ideally, being used to trial and error your way into figuring out what it is.
Unfortunately, most psych meds have fucked side effects and secondary effects, that can often actually make things worse if used incorrectly, which, using them to figure out what you have, is incorrect usage.
There's also the issue, that it's not like the average person is super good at accurately self monitoring at all times. Most people don't have that sort of meta awareness, that's something that has to be learned, and is itself often associated with people who have figured themselves out, and can handle shit anyways. Most people aren't going to really notice their mind working differently, that shit slips by "normal" people all the time, just with normal daily fluctuations of blood pressure & sugar.

Dogshit as AI is for the most part, one of the things it IS pretty good at, is telling you something then immediately backing down if you challenge it, which is sorta decent for stuff like this, at least to get some "tentative" insight into your own processes you can bring to the table before being diagnosed with "I don't fucking know, but take this shit I'm being bribed to push this year, come back in six weeks to see whether you go in category 1, 2, or 3 of reactions to the meds"

>>11462427
yeah that would not have worked for me, i am way too clingy and i hate being away from my boyfriend and i wouldnt want to share him with anyone

>>11462530
Yeah, same, too clingy.
I feel like I could handle poly, but, not like a harem situation.

>>11462138
>a tall lanky guy,
It's always about the height! curse you god for making me a shortie!
>curvy or skinny but a lot of modern neets are fat or chubby because of how cheap processed carbs are.
Yeah reality is often disappointing. I wish the opposite was true for both the sexes. For ever neet boy there should just as equally attractive neet girl to rot with. Damn the food industry for making them so fat and ugly
>>11461795
Ignore this >>11461991 retard dumbass forgot to say nta and chads don't come to come to 4channel of all places. Anyway I rather not say I honestly think I'm attractive to no one.

>>11454045
I was a NEET for three years after I dropped out of college. Since when is this /d/ material? She doesn't have a five dollar footlong or grotesque proportions.

>>11462812
>chads don't come to come to 4channel
Firstly, this is 4chan, not 4channel. Secondly, I started browsing 4chan when I was 11 and didn't know I was going to grow up to be a "chad". Just got lucky I guess, but I can't go back to any other gay ass websites now so I'm stuck here forever.
>>11462530
That's fair, literally. Monogamy is natural so I'm glad you found your person.
>>11462554
What do you mean by poly but not a harem? Like there would need to be multiple men and women involved to make it fair?

>>11463021
You're right your not a Chad you just brag like one

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Hi there, I told some lesbian stories last thread.
I am getting sick of my figure and my lack of ass, so I'm going to try dieting and hopefully doing some exercises to help with that. A friend of mine did something similar and got some serious results. Considering he is a guy, I refuse to be usurped by a gay man, although I will accept his help and advice.
I figured the worst thing that happens is nothing and I continue to exist in mediocrity

>>11463042
what exercises are you doing anon? i also wanna get pretty for my boyfriend but dont know where to start

How the SHUCK do women who stay indoors all the time get boyfriends. This has always vexed me.

>>11463179
Your phone can summon men to your doorstep any time you want. You would just need to use grindr instead of tinder.

>>11463179
i met mine through gaming

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>>11463179
I met my ex girlfriend through online dnd.

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>>11463044
My friend recommended me a different thing every day, it gets kinda complicated.
I haven't started yet, due to work continuously fucking me over. Let me try and organize the thing day by day
Monday:
https://youtu.be/M9xCoI-cnLU?si=ewU9a2gY9WI_3yKu
Tuesday:
https://youtu.be/xm81DUoNzyg?si=YPShcjgt8B2yvkZA
Wednesday:
https://youtu.be/xm81DUoNzyg?si=YPShcjgt8B2yvkZA
Thursday:
free day :DDDDD
Friday:
https://youtu.be/mPmggHxURS4?si=Yi0kW5P_c1AoZFhr
Saturday:
https://youtu.be/CACld5NpbCQ?si=BCBuoWUoKJY1akqr
Sunday:
https://youtu.be/AHnzb-BiroA?si=Ho8gL2VwVryuNpOg

As far as dieting goes, im just trying not to eat as much carbs and eating more veggies/protein.
replaced my white pasta with low carb noodles. Texture is weird but still good with parm, sauce and butter.
I'm not trying to overhaul stuff, ultimately I take a lot of comfort in food.

Also, do you guys have any specific neetish women from media you like? I am fond of samarie from fear and hunger 2

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>>11463314
Okay, finished tuesday.
Sweaty, legs hurt, smelly. Feeling good though.
It feels nice to take care of myself. I'm sure my legs will be aching tomorrow though, lol.
Let me know if you guys want me to update more or less. I want to, because looping in more people helps motivation, but I don't wanna bug you fellas.

>>11463434
Yeah I'm enjoying your updates. I'd love to hear more about your hygeine habits, and any effects the new diet might be having on your digestion. (Yes I'm a pervert, don't judge me this is /d/)

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>>11463520
Lol. Well I bathe every three days. I hope that activates your almonds anon.

>>11463021
>What do you mean by poly but not a harem?
I mean like
Everyone in a relationship with eachother, not just one person of multiple in a relationship with one person.

>>11463042
Squats and stairmaster for ass.
Pilates can also be for ass, but less focused.
I used to do gym a bunch back in college, I remember this.

>>11463665
Well my harem members are bisexual and encouraged to consort with each other as well, sometimes even without me. I do love watching a woman dominate a smaller woman, or just girl love in general. The only hitch is that no other men can be involved, as long as that rule isn't broken anything goes.

>>11463535
Yeah it does. Getting hard imagining the smell. Would appreciate any more details. Tell me something so gross you're certain it'll turn me off, I wonder if you can.

>>11463773
i'm not her but i have some gross stuff if you're interested, like i used to not change my underwear unless i showered and when i was at the height of my depression i like showered once a week or something and that was mostly just because my hair got too bad and i wanted to wash it, but the smell from my underwear got so bad that i could smell it myself which was pretty gross, my mom told me off for it once which was fucking mortifying and im still so ashamed and cringe when thinking about it, but i bother shower and change my underwear more often now. it is kinda funny because i would never ever wear a pair of socks for more than a day but apparently panties are fine in my brain lol
also not really me but i'm bi and edated a girl who was also a complete loser before i met my boyfriend, and she would do things that would gross me out like send me photos of the results of her bathroom visits if they were large enough and like pee in a bottle or cup in her room and send photos too me, did it while we were in call a few times and it just weirded me out a little, but she was also a self described "40 year old man in a pretty girls body" but in reality she was just autistic and a bit more futch, she would also complain about her genitals stinking like crazy and made me like put ice in my butt and masturbate on camera for her which i only did to make her happy

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>>11463773
I ate takeout bbq a week ago and vomited it up at 1am. It was terrible and ended up clogging the sink and filling the toilet with yellow bile.
I felt the meat fibers between my teeth and tasted the remains of burnt charred flesh melting together with the usual vomit taste.
I heaved seven times that morning. Before I barfed I remember feeling so bloated and could taste that sweet-char flavor on my burps, which would make me gag.
My room is cluttered with trash, old prescription pill bottles, my plushies and dirty laundry.
The office chair I use has a butt stain, as well as an old slightly stiff stain from when I spilled a cocktail all over myself like an idiot.
My crotch has a residue if you touch it, although due to the cold weather there isn't much of it, since it is derived from sweat.
I often do not change my underwear until it is stiff
Does that help.

>>11463797
>>11463834
I need to get better.

>>11463882
what do you mean

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>>11463901
the fact that people jerk off hearing about NEET women just explaining in detail about how disgustingly filthy they are in their daily life is honestly a layered onion of depressing.
I don't know who's worse off in this exchange. Or what you're fetishizing at this point.

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Like, don't get me wrong
I used to fetishize this too, which is why I passed by to check the thread
but reading about it's just bleak on both accounts, there's one side that's just bedrotting and another that wants a girlfailure
It's got to be some kind of smell fetish and human degradation and "I can fix her" and part of the girlfailure obsession and the idea that the bottom of the barrel is at least approachable or something
or maybe something about fetishizing a lack of control and the fact that a horny stinky hairy unwashed disgusting neet is probably easy and approachable and you could have gross fun together
probably a mix of everything and nothing about it
you lads just keep doing your thing

>>11463797
>>11463834
Alright the only part of these that's a bit too gross for me is the vomit. Everything else is hot though.
>not chaging underwear
>showering once a week
>crotch so strong you could smell it
>photos of bathroom and piss bottles
>ice in butt while masturbing
>cluttered room with dirty laundry everywhere
>chair butt stain
>sweaty crotch stain
>panties so old they get stiff
Yes all of that makes me hard. That's why I clicked on this thread, I'm a pervert. Other anon raised a good question though, who is more disgusting, neets for living like that, or me for liking it?

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>>11463969
>the only part of these that's a bit too gross for me is the vomit.
But that's the best part?
>who is more disgusting, neets for living like that, or me for liking it?
Us. The neets are just doing their thing. We're fetishizing it.

Also why is this a /d/ thread? This feels more like /r9k/'s or /soc/'s speed.

>>11463920
>>11463969
almost all the guys i've talked to in the past have not actually seen me as a person and instead just as a way to get their dicks wet or get photos or whatever and almost definitely used me just because i was vulnerable and wanted somone to come save me (nicely enough i had told my boyfriend about that before we started dating and for the first while i thought he was asexual because he just refused to bring up anything sexual which he did on purpose specifically to avoid making me feel like i was only good as a sexual object because he is literally the nicest sweetest most precious guy in the world) and personally i think if you dehumanize us like that then you are definitely evil and more disgusting
if you see us as actual people its better but still... at the end of the day im willing to bet most neet girls who act disgusting like this are just depressed and can get better whereas the guys who fetishize it will probably think its hot no matter what
also
>ice in the butt while masturbating
it actually sucks and isnt fun because it just melts pretty much immediately and theres no point to it and she only made me do it to torture me because she was evil and i was desperate for any kind of human connection

>>11463978
actually, ice in the ass is kind of fun.

>>11463978
Yeah for the first 25 years of my life I treated everyone as equal human beings and didn't objectify them (I still do most of the time) but somewhat recently I realized that most women want to be objectified anyway so I might as well play the part of male oppressor to get their (and my) rocks off. I still treat people with respect in my everyday life, but once I sense that a woman has a submissive side and they're interested in me, behind closed doors I treat them like sex toys (and they love it). The aftercare where I reassure them that they're a good girl is important though, that's how you minimize regret after post nut clarity.

>>11463988
well yeah, but thats a kink thing, i love it when my boyfriend says things like my only real purpose in life is sucking his cock or whatever, but its also clear he doesnt actually think that at all and loves all of me a lot, i dont like it when its clear that guys literally only think of me as a sex object and not as a person too
something i struggled with was finding someone to connect with emotionally first and have sex with second because it seemed like most guys wanted a sexual connection first and then nothing more really, which also led to me calling myself a femcel for a really long time

>>11463994
Well yeah the truth is most people in general are afraid of close emotional intimacy and just want casual intimacy or sex. Even as a man I struggled with this, many women pretended to be interested in me as a person just to get access to my dick, then they leave when it becomes too much work or they get bored. The few times I have had an actual connection are really nice while they last, but also more volatile as so much more can go wrong, and hurts much more when it ends. It's made me go through periods where I wonder if it's even possible or worth it to keep trying, but I always do eventually.

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Damn it you got me off on a tangent about emotional intimacy in the /d/ thread. We can talk feelings elsewhere woman, post more hentai and discuss more stinky neet women so I can jerk off!

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>>11463996
>many women pretended to be interested in me as a person just to get access to my dick
unc
fr?

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>>11463999
Yeah I'm "conventionally attractive" and have an unusually large penis so women will literally pretend to be interested in nuclear physics and magic the gathering for a while just to get in bed with me. I used to just ramble on about shit genuinely thinking they were listening, but now I can usually tell when they're placating me.

>>11464000
lol

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Post hentai you fucks

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>>11463434
Wednesday is done. Today was mostly stretching.
I am still sore from yesterday but the exertion feels nice. My muscles feel warm, as do my tendons in my legs.
It was difficult to do some due to an old leg injury and a fucked up wrist I have as well as my stomach fat getting in the way, but I managed.
It's odd. I've started, stopped and given up on many things in my life, but this feels within my grasp. Maybe it's just because im starting.

I don't want to reply to each comment this pertains to, and don't even know where to begin, but why is bad hygiene/being out of shape a major component of being attracted to NEET girls for so many of you? I'm a NEET girl, and if anything, all the availability I have gives me time to be very autistic about keeping top hygiene and fitness, more so than the average person, almost to an unhealthy amount.

I love Kara Eklund because she almost totally embodies me, and I even look a lot like her, but there's a hard disconnect when it comes to how trashy and dirty she can be in some depictions. Totally not trying to kink shame or be critical at all, but is it like depression/unmotivation to the point of extreme not taking care of oneself the attractive quality here? How heavily does that weigh against/alongside other typical NEET attributes, like being socially retarded, being a societal black sheep, or having hobbies that aren't traditionally feminine, like gaming or participating in 4chan culture?

>>11464162
for me it doesn't have much to do with it personally. NEETs are cute because i could feel needed which I don't living life day to day at all. society has kind of made me superfluous and so it'd be nice to have a gf that actually likes me and relies on me a little at least. If my theoretical NEET gf were real i'd force her to take a shower but i mean, I'm not a freak about that. you can have a little 4chan hygiene as a treat now and then no big deal.

tl;dr I like NEET because it would be nice to have a girl that would actually need me for anything, and share some of my interests not because she would never take a shower

anyway where do you find women like this anyway? I feel like they never leave their houses so i'm fucked

>>11464162
For me personally
>"bad hygiene" = more prominent pheromone/body odor rather than covered up in artificial junky perfumes and lotion scents. 6 day old sweat is gross, but day old bed or sex sweat is intoxicating
>messy unkempt hair + baggy eyes hrrng
>previous two = post-sex vibes
>feeling of superiority over the girl for having decent personal life standards, hygiene, career, social group, finances
>her dependence on me due to being a NEET girlfailure w/no frens
>the self depreciation and low self esteem gets close to the unachievable and ethereal "unconditional love from a woman other than his mother" that men will never achieve

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Lainposter was feeling crushed under the weight of not having any human contact but don't worry guys, Ecco the Dolphin appeared and released me from my prison. I am no longer trapped inside of a Sega Genesis.

>>11464157
Even just posting to the void that is the neet thread will help in holding yourself to doing the exercise. I, a anonymous internet weirdo, am proud of you.

Getting fit in order to impress your boyfriend is peak neet caretaking btw.

>>11464162
I can't explain the physical aspects of it too great. It's always the personality type for me, having someone as messed up as I am that I can help lead us both into being less messed up.

Lately despite being in among the largest depression hole I can remember I have kept on top of showering to a absurd degree. This is because for reasons I can't explain, my hair is actively trying to cause as much textural problems as possible, and if I go a full day without washing it I feel biohazard level gross.

Maybe that's mirrored in your hygiene autism, not sure what the motivating factor is there, I sometimes have to out-reason executive dysfunction for a long time to actually get myself in there but bad texture autism is among the most powerful and motivating forms of autism.

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>>11464162
Your hygiene thing might be something specific to you. As I said before >>11463535 I bathe every 3 days because any more feels unnecessary to me. I just don't sweat very much I suppose. I never get complaints at work about it. I only feel motivated to bathe because on that third/fourth day, my body starts setting off sensory alarm bells and I actually start FEELING dirty. Fitness is something I barely bothered with, I only went outside for a change of pace to walk around and get some milk tea from local places.
I can see myself falling into the habits of picrel, as at the end of the day it's just depression and snowballing filth. My issues are mostly executive dysfunction and being literally unbothered by it.
The social aspect definitely does have a romantic facet to it. My ex was a REAL neet girl (lived off of disability with her parents who were also disabled) and our mutual social problems destroyed our relationship.
You go into it with that whole "haha I'll uplift her and we will play vidya together :DDD" idea, but I realized that you can't help someone who has learned helplessness like that (and a myriad of other shit outside of her control) and that we have different tastes in video games.
Despite that, I can't imagine dating someone who isn't autistic. I just don't think I could relate to anyone else. Normal people feel like aliens to me, even if I spend a lot of time around them with my job.

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>>11464157
Thursday is a rest day. Not much to report.
Tried pasta made out of pea flour today. Has high protein. Good stuff.

>>11464162
Yeah, I'd second this.
Personal hygiene is about the only thing I DO have down. Two showers a day. One in the morning, one before bed.

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>>11464635
Friday was a flub, didn't have enough time to do stuff due to having shifting work.
Today was squat day. Legs are on fire, but I feel happy.
Worried I'm not doing it hard enough.

>>11465530
Whoa milk chan !!!

And please dont stress yourself. progress takes time..don't feel bad if you sometimes don't have time or energy for exercise.

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>>11463314
>>11465530

Okay, my friend is a fool and is bad at explaining things. I am doing this wrong. Basically, the two "workout" videos are done alternating each day, followed and preceded by warmup stretches and followup stretches. The squats are optional challenges.
Squats fucked my thigh muscles up. Considering there is no pain in the joints, it's nothing serious, but I'm going to allow myself another break before I dive back in tomorrow, this time correctly (I hope)
I'm happy we caught this early on though, my progress would have been a lot slower than his. I was kind of upset when I found it out but I realize now is the best time for it to be caught.

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Mmmm
You know, I feel there's a lot of pull towards the like, tomoko-like, the young neet.
What about neet-hags (affectionate)? Our 30+ neets?

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>>11465969
OK on it for real. I started doing it naked for the hell of it, It was fun seeing my boobs and ass in my mirrored closet door.
My mind tends to wander while doing it, I started to imagine myself getting chewed out by the various cardio bunnies who would be attending the yoga class with me.
Stuff like "Ugh, are you even trying? Why did you even show up?"
And me chewing them back. Kinda hot.
Anyway, It went well, legs are still sore but better. Half-Plank Abductions are hell on earth.

>>11466453
Good job!
Especially blocking out the clucking of those bitches, you're awesome.

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>>11466342
Hey I love girls that would have relatable thoughts on aging, such as "I am not happy about many things including this."

Honestly as someone now in my early 30s I'm not sure how I would handle a neet girlfriend that's a lot younger. Like yeah, you want to use the relationship to save you both from the existential horror that's living this way, but the age gap feels lot more like a "hardened by suffering" gap. Like I would have trouble truly understanding someone who has 10 years left to go until she's fully broken by being in a state of undeath.

>>11466453
>naked for the hell of it
>getting chewed out by the various cardio bunnies
Hey whatever it takes man. Doesn't matter if its being horny for humiliation, spite, or both, it helps.

It's been a while since Ive done serious exercise but I would be quite excreted after just a few of them. That was earlier in my 20s but hey, it's probably barely any worse now, it's not like your body can let you down if you've never done anything to get it worn down by.

>>11466342
>>11466463
I'm 32. I think. I have a hard time remembering. Still doesn't feel real, honestly. Doesn't help that the last 6 or 7 years have been such a mindfuck anyways, but, I catch myself all the time thinking of myself as like, 24, 25, 26. But, that was forever ago. I had, and then left the job I had for the longest in my life, in that time. It's coming up on a decade since I finished college.
I'm a different person in a lot of ways. Hell, I wasn't even a neet back then, I was in college, then employed.
I'm definitely more tired and out of shape though. I walked a bunch today, completely winded, feet sore, but I did a walk like that literally every weekday a decade ago. More walk than that, two out of five days, 'cuz I walked to my part time after.
I rolled my ankle like 6 months ago, something I would have walked off in like a week before, but still get sparks of pain now.
That's the only evidence I truly feel that I'm actually this old. It's bizarre. I feel like someone robbed me. 'Course, it's just me, nobody stole anything. It's so weird.

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>>11466527
32 gang rise up. Windows XP was a trip.

Ive been going on regular walks for a couple years now, probably. As you understand time is a vortex of uncertainty. The first few times it honestly did take a bit out of me, since it was many years of literally zero exercise before that, but it evaporated within a few weeks. Lately It's been so cold combined with being so exhausted to begin with I only touch metaphorical grass for about half the time. It's still there under the snow, probably.

Time standing still yet simultaneously teleporting you to a world even more unrecognizable than how things were back when you were 25, yeah...I haven't quite injured myself, I came close on some ice a while back but thankfully I fell the correct way, I'm sure I'll feel robbed of that youth the moment I find a way to feel that loss, but you're right, it feels unfair, even if it's just you staring down your own soul.

That...Probably sounded several times more discordant and hard to understand than the stuff I usually post in this thread but it's just one of those nights I guess. The word "Vortex" feels right for most things when you're at maximum disassociation.

>>11457189
When you see how hard it is to get a well paying job in the current year despite the effort you put in, it all starts making sense. I don't even know why I'd start a family in the first place under such conditions and when modern dating is also a mess. Hell I'm more than satisfied consuming anime and vidya and jerking off while the current clownworld continues to deteriorate.

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>>11466453
Working out before work, I hope this goes well. I am worried that I'm not going deep enough on the squats and the like, but I am trying my best.
Nothing that erotic to say this time, fantasies didn't come this time, was just focused on the instructor lady's butt. I masturbated before going and it might of helped? Although it's hard to say.
>>11466580
I wish I didn't have to work, it's so draining. I can't parasitize myself off of my loved ones because well, I love them. I'm not mentally fucked up enough for disability, and I don't want to rely on the government anyway. I hope the PTO im earning feels good when I get to cash it.

>>11455354
I worked from basically the day i could as a teen, until covid, with a gap from 17-18. ive been neet since covid apart from one job i did for a few months last year. i feel working is just genuinely fucking pointless. what for? i'll never have enough to own a house. also nobody really cares if i work or not, nobody is even thinking about me really. its a bit cringe to have people ask me what im doing at a family gathering only for me to have to pull up some excuse or bullshit as if im doing something, but then theyre not going to care until they see me at another event. family members who see me enough times just dont even ask.

more to the point, when i worked the stint at my last job it was very much a 'wow its fucking nothing' moment. it just meant most days i was doing something i didnt want to do. i got more money, but that just gives me more money to spend on tastier takeout food or buy drugs or whatever. and really i dont feel like i contribute any more to society if i do something like for a business that just exists to make the rich owners more money. all jobs are fucking pointless and the world system is broken. there are people out there who do horrible things, i just stay out of trouble. who cares what i do.

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>>11466882
Still going. I got a break day tomorrow, woo
I went to the doctors today and got myself weighed. wasn't the full physical I was excited about but whatever. I lost 4 pounds since my last weigh in 3 months ago, I wonder if that's fat or muscle. Still going I suppose. Today is my first day off out of two after 5 days of working, things have been tough so I'm allowing myself to get take out.
Probably steak or pizza, maybe mexican.

>>11467574
Get burritos.
Burritos fukkin rule

>>11467574
>>11467636
agreed. post-burrito brap update pls

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>>11467636
I got a big meal. Steak, shrimp, baked potato, fries and bread.
Finished it up with a big glass of peach alcohol. Good stuff.
Today is a rest day. Feel good about things. Just going to take my meds and draw, maybe go for a walk
gotta pick up food for meal prep, still haven't decided for chili or tuna noodle.

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I wanna help her