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I Can't Possibly Lose to You! edition.
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>>11456729
>I've been craving some sort of "forced into porn/hentai" story
https://tgstorytime.com/viewseries.php?seriesid=377
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>>11456537
no you see, they both need to co-exist with one and another, the corruption work enhances the odd-ball wholesome work and vice versa. something something ying and yang. A world where only suffering or only good is a mundane one.
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>>11457156
Do you have a specific criticism or are you just a negative Nancy?
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i have been jerking off to tsf for more than a decade and there are still so many hot pieces untranslated. This week I realized I could have learned the language by then.
....is learning a new language just to consume more fetish porn a good reason?
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>>11457311
Not really. AI translators are good enough to get a rough understanding of what's going on. And earning money and paying for a translator is a better use of your time.
Learning japanese takes thousands of hours, don't do it unless you REALLY want to.
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>>11457311
This could have been you by now.
>10 years ago
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>>11457407
And to think now I can just hold a button down on my phone and it'll translate whatever I'm looking at on my screen.
It's usually really rough and sometimes the translation doesn't make sense but it works
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>>11457399
the ai can be even better, if u take whats in the bubbles, copy/paste them into photoshop, and make 1 continuous line downward. it then translates it far more accurately. but when its in bubbles, it thinks each line is a separate statement, and makes a lot of mistakes
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>>11456893
Simpler.
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How does everyone here feel about ambiguous gaslighting content? What I mean by that is, basically: a guy wakes up in some kind of medical facility as a girl, is clearly confused/horrified about his female body, yet is repeatedly shown medical records and other identifying documents indicating he's always been female, just suffering from extreme dissociation and had to be checked into a clinic for her own well being. Not sure if people prefer if it's ambiguous whether he/she is actually insane and is receiving genuine help from the POV of a diseased mind or if it's obvious from the start he's being gaslit but routinely drugged and conditioned into a mindbroken state of acceptance.
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>>11458183
If she was actually a girl the entire time it's not really TSF to begin with. Depending on how the story goes, it could also smack of the annoying kind of wish fulfillment. If she was a male initially, whether or not the gaslighting is ambiguous or not is more a stylistic choice than anything. You could make something interesting either way, but I think having some ongoing physical changes would be good, whether they're dramatic irony and the readers are told about them but the character doesn't notice or the reader needs to be sharp to pick up on your hints. I think I'd prefer the more obvious approach, both in regard to ambiguity of the gaslighting and physical changes, myself.
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>>11458205
>I think having some ongoing physical changes would be good, whether they're dramatic irony and the readers are told about them but the character doesn't notice or the reader needs to be sharp to pick up on your hints.
Why wouldn't the character be aware of the physical changes, especially if it was stated to be a gaslight scenario? The staff would just be telling the character that they're "finally putting some weight back on" or something as the chest and hips grow.
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>>11458219
They're being drugged anyway and the patient's awareness that their body is changing would be one more thing the staff would have to deal with. You could leave them aware, but that's not where my mind went with the idea and it would conflict with the more ambiguous approach if that were being taken.
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>Playing Rimworld with a mod that let's you create new bodies and put a colonist's mind into them
>Plan is to take male prisoner's minds and shove them into perfectly compatible wives for the other colonists
>36 year old fat fuck colonist who happens to be the only reliable cook in the colony ends up getting killed in the raid by some 16 year old I later captured, but I still have his mind
>Can't really grow back a new body in time, so end up throwing him into a 22 year old ratkin (mouse girl mod) body getting made for the prisoners until I can get a new one made for him
>Has a negative moodlet for being in the wrong gender that lasts about 40 days
>Ends up being the one to convince the 16 year old to join the colony
>After the moodlet disappears, she also ends up being the one to make a move on him
>The two of them become lovers and immediately start fucking
>Ratkin have multiple babies per pregnancy and are always ratkins, so the colony will almost certainly get overwhelmed by their kids
>End up never using the body I was making for him
Not the doujin esque direction I expected this colony to go
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>>11458183
You'll probably be into this if you like that sort of thing:
https://imgchest.com/p/agyv65qw789
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>>11458219
>this pic
I loved the fact that a good chunk of the comedy in Ranma 1/2 was that Ranma-chan was mogging Akane in all aspects of femininity that mattered without even trying and Akane being Jealous and insecure about it (part of the enjoyment was because i find Akane at best annoying and at worst generally a pain especially in the anime continuity but she isn't that much better in the manga just slightly more calm not by much tho).
The tg girl being better at feminininity than an actual girl is very underutilized as a trope and is one of my favorites.
Ranma-chan was
>better looking
>had a better body
>better at cooking (tho that isn't hard)
>more graceful (due to the Saotome School being focused on speed,agility,evasion and mid-air combat)
Obviously Ranma was better than her in martial arts as well.
Atleast Akane has a better handwriting and is more book smart/ studies so there's that.
I know periods and stuff weren't mentioned in the series but it would have been so funny (and is my headcannon) if Ranma-chan had super mild periods that last like 3 days 4 days tops while Akane had heavy ones to the point she needs pain killers.
In everything that mattered to Akane and were the basis of her identity Ranma was better than her. It's something that isn't often talked about, it was undoubtedly a mindfuck (her future husband mogging her and trying to compete with him) for her and probably one of the reasons she was acting like a bitch to Ranma, and the other girls in comparison being secure in their femmininity (even Ukyo) and actually having the skills both in martial arts but in domestic stuff that Akane wished she had made things even worse.
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>>11457157
Not him but this fetish has been dead for a while.
>panda
Either it's possession/body swap or it is untranslated. There's maybe one translation of actual material per month.
>western
Only MeowWithMe and Fenek produce content regularly, everyone else is either once a month or nothing at all. And Fenek is arguably on his way out, as he's in full patreon zombie mode where he just draws "pinup" poll requests and has no further ambitions.
Normally after Comiket there'd be a steady drip of new content, but both this summer and this winter have been virtually nothing. Either everyone has gone to discord, everyone is just using AI now, or the content has completely dried up. People yell at MeowWithMe but he's the only one who is left at this point. And this thread is just posting old material, or engaging in meaningless conversation starters that may as well be roleplaying. Like >>11458183
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>>11458765
I wonder how much of this dry spell comes down to artists' reluctance to engage with western polemic? You mention possession and body swap's dominance on the Japanese side and i think that's telling, since that's a very rape/power fantasy side of the fetish that rarely involves any lasting social or mental changes for the MC. Western artists were chased off for similar reasons, either draw the same kind of self congratulatory crap or face the mob asking you very pointedly why a man changing into a woman is coded as a "bad" thing in 202X? As we all know, there's only so many ways you can do wish fulfillment without any kind of internal friction before it gets stale. That, and this site in general is well into its twilight years with an admin team that actively celebrates its demise. No one's posting anything here or anywhere because 4chan is fucking dead as hell.
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>>11456986
I did see an anon post that, I enjoyed it quite a bit
>>11458356
The Ranma/Akane dynamic was fun. I guess it's the Rumiko Takahashi two tsundere couple, but for the reasons you mention it's extra funny when Ranma mocks Akane for her feminity. At the same time Ranma is probably one of the only guys who isn't harassing her to date her, and he is occasionally sweet.
It would be fun to do that premise (girl + boy who is a better girl) again, but I'm not sure who could do a plot like this in this day and age without turning into tedious gender war stuff
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>>11457311
>....is learning a new language just to consume more fetish porn a good reason?
eh, most people learn other languages for selfish reasons. The the secret of how most people that learn stay motivated. Its not any worse than some german in 1998 learning english so they can sub star trek episodes.
its good for your brain to and you have to do something with your life
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>>11458809
>I wonder how much of this dry spell comes down to artists' reluctance to engage with western polemic? You mention possession and body swap's dominance on the Japanese side and i think that's telling, since that's a very rape/power fantasy side of the fetish that rarely involves any lasting social or mental changes for the MC. Western artists were chased off for similar reasons, either draw the same kind of self congratulatory crap or face the mob asking you very pointedly why a man changing into a woman is coded as a "bad" thing in 202X? As we all know, there's only so many ways you can do wish fulfillment without any kind of internal friction before it gets stale. That, and this site in general is well into its twilight years with an admin team that actively celebrates its demise. No one's posting anything here or anywhere because 4chan is fucking dead as hell.
people thinking it is twitter politics aren't thinking deeply about what actually happens.
Why would a manga artist that sells douj in stores give a shit what twitter thinks? They're not getting the book printed up and sold in a store and then dumping it to twitter. No one making dirty douj in japan gives a shit about what twitter and american libs say or do. You could probably walk into a japanese book store in japan and buy 30 smut books where a dude beats a woman, rapes her, and shits on her face.
We get their works because someone buys the book and scans it and then posts the content on english websites.
The real question is why are their fewer english speakers, either native or second hand, buying these works and posting them on english websites?
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>>11458765
Might be just because I'm famished for content, but some newer AI stuff by western authors is becoming...passable? There's some okay stuff if you're desperate enough to dig past hundred galleries of slop to get something with actual story and effort put into it.
Here's a few that are pretty good:
https://exhentai.org/g/3737404/a07a780945/
https://exhentai.org/g/3711670/bf4326f62b/
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>>11457211
>Someone made a drawing of the MC do you have it?
Bumping this. Surely someone has seen it? I can't find it anywhere.
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>>11458964
>Might be just because I'm famished for content, but some newer AI stuff by western authors is becoming...passable?
What always happens when new tech comes out is that the hype train over it stirs up supporters and detractors, which then causes a bunch of slop/trash flood the market as everyone basically tries to set up get-rich-quick scheme using it. After a while the hype dies and investors/the public realize what's slop/trash and what isn't, and the slop dies and thing that aren't slop survive.
Essentially that's what's happening with AI as the slop gets ignored due to poor quality and no more hype, while stuff that uses it in a way that's actually competent is going to become the new standard going forward. If I head to guess from what I've seen applied to TSF, AI is going to be used mainly for TF/TG caption images or TF/TG story images, with only a small few using it to make comics wholesale. So TG comic artists should be fine for now.
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>>11458809
Yeah, even that dude with the all-female world tf isekai story stop updating his story, which sucks caused I liked it and wanted to see how he was going to handle the other characters he had mentioned he wanted to include.
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>>11459091
You mean this guy?
https://www.scribblehub.com/series/1747886/waxing-gibbous/
I liked his idea a lot, hope he updates it.
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>>11458913
This is denialism at best, and ass covering at worse.
I'm not going to make this political because that'd be hypocritical, but if you do have a political link to this fetish then stop it. Not "go away", stop it. The political side of things is strangling this fetish and I bet in ten years time nobody will want anything to do with it - especially not newer artists - because they do not want to be associated with anything coming out of certain communities. Disagree? Feel insulted? Work to make things better on that side of things, be more understanding and patient when things don't go your way.
Because the self congratulatory stuff and egg cracking is all cancer.
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A lot of folks complain about men turned into women becoming rabid nymphos in TSF content, because it's "not realistic" or somesuch; however, I have an idea that I want to run past anon. Women's sexuality is complex, though largely dependent on the amorphous concept of "feeling sexy." A man in a woman's body, fully immersed in a form that has been the object of his lust since puberty, would "feel sexy" at all times. He'd be entranced by his own tits, trembling with ecstasy looking at his snatch in the mirror, every angle would tell him that he was totally gorgeous and desirable, even if his new girl body is average. It's only natural that he would be hot and bothered at all times, wet and ready for sex, because his newly-female brain would be unconsciously interpreting himself as the hottest girl ever.
(At least, that's how I psychologically conceptualize the reason all men turning into women are instant sluts.)
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>>11459558
It only makes sense if the mind becomes mostly female or AGP too. Things that males appreciate on females are a negative if they are on male body, and vice versa and that conditioning is pretty strong.
I doubt it'd be easy for a guy to accept having big heaving tits, or a girl to accept suddenly having veiny hands and body hair.
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>>11459558
The new Tg girl becoming a rapid cock hungry nympho is my favorite part or i guess trope. I get what people mean that it isn't realistic that he would suddenly be into dudes or too repetitive but in the other hand it's porn, so...
If you want a more realistic way for this trope to work there are always succubus tfs that are quite enjoyable or witch tfs that rely on lust for their magic. Another way it can be incorporated more "organically" in the plot if you don't fancy turning into supernatural creatures is if the man before was either completely gay or heavily androphillic bisexual but was hiding it and now that he is a woman he can finally end all the years of sexual frustration trying to keep it a secret and go on fucksprees of epic proportion until he now she is finally satisfied.
The last one is my favorite but there aren't enough stories were the man was cock hungry nympho before just waiting to get the right body to unleash the hidden persona within.
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>>11459564
>I doubt it'd be easy for a guy to accept having big heaving tits
I doubt that a man would be able to do anything other than grope his own big heaving tits, probably drooling slightly. Poking his nipples inward like doorbells that were failing to chime as he stared at his own lewd. lusty image in the mirror; Panting, gasping, shaking, shuddering, fingering his lewd and wildly wet cunt, Becoming his own personal porno masturbating to his feminine image.
Maybe that's just me? To each his own.
>>11459572
>there aren't enough stories were the man was cock hungry nympho before
Noted.
>>11459590
>I prefer the more plausible "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit"
Good man. The best smut is explained in thoroughly-ridiculous ways, focusing on the pleasure of sex. All that matters is that everybody in the story is enjoying themselves and the audience is successfully jerking off.
Sex is awesome. Have more sex. Turn into a girl and have sex, it'd be extra hot. Get pregnant and squirt out sixteen kids.'kay, byyyyyye!
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>>11459605
It's sort of like a weird feedback loop the way your describing it; he's still got the male 'software' of what is considered attractive for females, but since the 'hardware' is female it's not being processed correctly and is resulting in a reaction that's different from both; a female who is constantly turned on by her own self-percieved 'sexiness' and the idea of imagining herself having normal sex (or something like that, it's magic and shit doesn't have to be overly detailed unless you want it to be)
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>>11459654
>It's sort of like a weird feedback loop the way your describing it; he's still got the male 'software' of what is considered attractive for females, but since the 'hardware' is female it's not being processed correctly and is resulting in a reaction that's different from both; a female who is constantly turned on by her own self-percieved 'sexiness' and the idea of imagining herself having normal sex (or something like that, it's magic and shit doesn't have to be overly detailed unless you want it to be)
This is why jrpgs are better for this. You can, ideally, guide the transformation.
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it's the best
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>>11459955
This artist is great. Makes the fetish not just hot but also interesting a lot of the times.
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>>11459984
Yeah I like that too for some reason. It's okay if the hair gets a little longer or has slightly different style, but unless there's a good reason for it I really don't like it when it changes the character enough to look unrecognizable. I think that's the crux of it, I like my ts protagonist to look recognizably themselves after the change.
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>>11452735
>Ow man, seems that the idea didn't attract many here.
There was a lot there and I needed to wait until I had the time to properly respond.
>>11451829
>magical and technological martial artists competing in a tourney
I'd focus on the mystical side with maybe one character that uses technology, unless you're going really crazy with the setting, action, and character designs.
>he Battle King to have an harem of warriors that can not only fight along him, but also have strong children
Wouldn't it be more logical for the person throwing the tournament to want the Battle King to become his bride? Doesn't make sense for the strongest to impregnate a bunch of defeated - and therefore assumedly genetically inferior - opponents.
>It's a very isolated place, ruled by a military dictatorship, and connected to several criminal syndicates spread across south asia.
It's still pretty unlikely that people outside of the island wouldn't know about what was going on. Even criminals gossip. All of those martial artists going missing would be really suspicious, as well.
>the Battle King is the true leader of the island
That's an awfully big risk to take, considering that the winner of the tournament might want to go along with the plan. Some kind of brainwashing would have to be involved. Using a fighting game analogy, can you see Kyo Kusanagi, Terry Bogard, Ryu, etcetera wanting to take over an island filled with criminals and keep a massive harem?
>>11451838
>OUR MCs - Not!Ken and Not!Ryu
I'd try to be more original than that. At the very least, if you're going to use direct analogs of pre-existing characters, switch up the games you're drawing from (if the main character is Not!Ken, make the other one Not!Iori Yagami or Not!Liu Kang or something).
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>branches and everything planed - or if its more of a battle royal across the island
If it's a martial arts tournament it should be brackets. A battle royal is a different sort of story, TSF The Deadliest Game or The Condemned.
>the fights take place all across the island, sometimes in the middle of a market, other times in pillars of stone above the ocean, and so on
That would make it even harder to keep the goings-on secret. Even a military dictatorship filled with criminals needs general workers and the fruit vendor in the market immediately becomes a witness. (Unless you play around with awareness control and everybody's ignoring the fight going on right around them, which you could do with your priestess character.)
>>11451844
>I think this would work better as a book
It's pretty elaborate, I'm not sure what other format you could even do it in that wouldn't take years to realize.
>need to find someone willing to write it
You'd almost certainly have to pay them, most folks aren't going to put in work on somebody else's idea for free, especially with a project that big.
>I need YOU to find as many plot holes on this idea as you can!
Done.
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>It's okay if the hair gets a little longer or has slightly different style
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>I doubt that a man would be able to do anything other than grope his own big heaving tits
I can agree with that. Or at least assuming I found myself in such a fantasy situation, my objective would be to see if hentai is correct in that you can cause women to lactate with enough continuous stimulation of her titties.
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>>11459572
>if you want a more realistic way for this trope to work there are always succubus tfs
Very realistic, normal thing to have happen.
But it is always fun seeing them try to fight off the hunger.
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>>11456893
>Started reading koreanslop
Have I finally reached the rock-bottom of having shit taste?
http://www.vn-meido.com/k1/index.php?topic=11218.0
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>>11460470
Super hot for me but I also understand why some people dislike it, it kind of feels like lazy or cheating when done to explain changes in behavior
I personally love because of how it violates the character's freedom or sense of self.
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>>11460470
I'm 110% against it, I want their feelings and their actions to be entirely their own.
Now that being said, an interesting idea that can come of it is something along the lines of a person assuming they're being mind controlled and going with the flow perhaps because of some sorcerer they're extremely familiar with as having inescapable mind control did the TGing perhaps, and hardly trying to fight what they believe they can't fight, only for it to turn out there's zero mind control involved and it turns out their new hormones and body were fucking with them because they weren't used it it. At the end they get incredibly embarrassed once it's pointed out they did everything of their own volition.
I could dig something like that.
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I like TG either way, a full story arc with slow mental changes and fleshed out characters or 5 seconds in and his personality's been totally modified. I think I may just have no taste
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>there are now teenagers who have literally no clue what a CD is
Boomers, I'm sorry for making fun of you and your cropped Facebook memes when I was younger
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Great! I thought Manga+ would refuse to translate it because of the previous works of this author.
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>>11460832
Get the best of both worlds and have someone TSF into a loli and then have a timeskip in which they grow into a curvy woman
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That looks very much AI generated.
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>>there are now teenagers who have literally no clue what a CD is
>Boomers, I'm sorry for making fun of you and your cropped Facebook memes when I was younger
There no longer exists a monopoly culture. Social media and AI also allow the lazy to be lazier.
We are approaching a world where smart people can write books as if it was nothing and troubleshoot all sorts of problems and self teach a dozen skills while the dumbest have never been dumber, not knowing basic things about history or science or communicating or food. The average zoomer probably doesnt know what cheese or pickles are made from while soft gifted zoomer is using AI to write multi track songs and self trach coding.
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>>11460979
>cute anime girl in sundress making funny faces in the mirror
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>>11461194
Sounds like those funny haha comments closeted kids make in high school
"Ha ha, wouldn't it be funny if we took our dicks out and touched the tips? How weird, ha ha"
Or the lesbian st sleep over that would do all kinds of weird shit as "jokes" or "having fun" like "what if we practiced kissing guys?" "What if we stripped sandy while she was asleep, ha ha?" "What if we exchanged clothes and undressed in front of each other?"
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>>11461194
Honestly everyone just going along with it makes for a funny concept
>Guy and his friends walking down the street to go grab a burger
>Walk by a newly opened maid cafe that's being overwhelmed by customers
>Maid runs out and slaps a maid head dress on the MC, causing him and his clothes to morph into a maid right in front of everyone in broad daylight
>Line of customers cheer as the newly formed maid is grabbed by the other maid as she cheerfully drags her by the arm into the cafe
>Friends shrug and continue on their way to go grab a burger
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You went to a weird high school.
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I feel I should warn you that there's a pretty bad sexual assault scene near the final episode that kinda ruined the show for me. Maybe that's your thing but yeah it really soured my feeling towards the show that I enjoyed up to that point.
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Legendary way to kill a manga. I don't know of anyone who continued reading after that sequence. It had to be the author's fetish that he put in and then jerked off to because any other explanation makes no sense.
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>>11461500
lmao I'm glad at least some people agree. It's odd because I didn't really feel the same way about Berserk with the eclipse, but after that scene I felt like shittt. I genuinely watched like 3 yuri animes to get my mind off it right afterwords lolol
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>>11461497
I dropped this anime/manga not because of the rape itself (it’s a post-apocalyptic world - shit happens), but because the victim stopped her friend when he was beating the rapist to death. (But I think ntrfags might enjoy it)
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>>11461529
>the victim stopped her friend when he was beating the rapist to death
So it's a 'Nightwing killed the Joker and Batman brought his serial killer clown boyfriend back in a Lazarus Pit' situation.
Whatever. I don't care anymore. Everything is shit.
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>>11461552
You know what would be great? Death Wish, only he was turning all of the criminals into hot girls. It's just that nobody has the balls to do it except for this guy: https://tgstorytime.com/viewstory.php?sid=8202
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>>11461554
Except Charles Bronson loses his gun and somebody picks it up and it turns out to be a gender-bender gun so the vigilante gets a TG harem. That's a good story, somebody should write that.
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Somebody other than me, because I'm lazy, but all of the pictures have been thread-relevant so that makes up for it.
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Boy, there are a lot of MHA images in this folder and I know jack shit about that series. I hope somebody appreciates them.
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Why did I even download these? The green-haired chick isn't even hot.
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Is this MHA? I read one volume and got bored.
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>>11461573
That looks like everything from my 4chan folder that's relevant. Enjoy, anon. Hopefully. Unless green-haired girl is usually a girl, I understand how that would be disappointing. Pretty sure she's usually a dude, though.
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>>11461552
>but if we start killing the baddies, we will become the baddies ourselfes.
I hate this trope so much. I kinda get it, because le bloodlust takes over and you will start killing for people loitering. But like it would make sense to delete rapist or serial killers.
Alternatively, if i got TSF powers, i would turn them into maids and animal girls.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/
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>le bloodlust takes over and you will start killing for people loitering
That trope only exists because progressive writers think criminals are the victims of society and hate the idea of violence being used to stop the violent. Somebody who went around shooting child molesters wouldn't actually start murdering jaywalkers any more than somebody who smokes pot inevitably moves on to crack.
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Not wanting your rapist to die is a very feminine way of thinking, so it shows Haruki had become a woman at heart. At the same time Maru is still quite young so he lets an elder girl order him around. There is a reading that makes this scene peak tf fiction. That said, it doesn't change the fact it denied me catharsis from all the build up and was all around total faggotry, so I dropped it there as well.
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>>11461891
I think the equivalent for women is gay slash fiction. They just naturally assign one man in a pairing to act like a woman without bothering to justify it.
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>>11461891
It mostly boils down to mtf tsf and ftm tsf drawing in very different crowds that don't really get along. ftm tsf threads are filled far more with trapfags then genuine ftms. Actual female to male transsexuals are far more likely to peruse the cuntboy threads.
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>>11461529
I dropped it a few chapters in, so maybe there's more context
From just those panels it looks like "white knight friend catches her fucking asshole/rival and tries to kill the guy because he thinks its something else"
It might be NTR but it doesn't look like SA, just woman moment+beta moment
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Well there's a pretty simple answer to that question. While there are a few dedicated artists and commissioners for FTM, TSF's just a heavily Male-leaning fetish to have. Ever since basically the dawn of mankind, Women have been the more romantically desired side of the coin. Since they're more often the gender that's portrayed as sexy or eyecandy, it makes it much easier forMen to crush on them hard enough that they start fantasizing about what it'd be like to suddenly be trust into their shoes. To BECOME the big tiddy bitch, if you will. Girls can also go though this, but since there's no gender tension involved it's usually in a much more "I want to be like my rolemodel!" kind of way. This results in that seed of fantasies about being thrust into manhood much less likely to be planted and bloom into fetishization. Media consumption only increases the gap. I've yet to see a manga or cartoon where the female lead is genderbent for an episode and has to go through WACKY and EMBARRASSIING situations to learn not they aren't so different from men or whatever.
It's the same reason why Futanari is leagues ahead of Cuntboy. I've seen several TF artists, both Male and Female who've been at it for years, not have a single result come up when using any Male tf tags. At most they'll occasionally do Woman to Sexier Woman. They just have no interest since they're not gay, which is understandable.
...But they are absolutely missing out though. I still like MTF more since, y'know, I have a dick. But FTM is also underratedly hot and it makes me mad when doujins involving couples only bend the guy. WAITER WHERE ARE ALL THE GIRL -> DUMB HARPYBOY TSF
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>>11461930
No, that was definitely rape.
That collage is just panels ripped out of context (+edited).
You can read chapters 32, 33 if you want.
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Being a man effectively means, to society, the same thing as being invisible. For the most part nobody really cares if you look like shit and certainly nobody cares about your feelings or especially your problems. Men are expected to never complain, and if they do the literal only people who are expected to listen are maybe their mothers. These are all things women don't understand or can't relate to and only understand the being invisible part after they get older.
Groomed teenaged girls with ROGD will frequently fantasize about being male but other than that and outside of the AGP angle, the TSF fetish is very male-oriented because of that subconscious part of many men who want to be loved,cared about, be seen by others as cute, etc. Traps/femboys work the same way.
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>Why is tsf basically mtf exclusive?
Men tend to be more visual. What makes a woman hot also tends to be more physical while what makes a man hot tends to be more contextual.
2. I donr know if there are a lot of men into frm. So not much gets drawn. Of the ones into it, a lot of them are into. Ery light male characteristics and will just look at muacle women, hairy women, futa, tomboys, etc. Its a very small subset of men who want to see a woman become a big muscle guy.
As for women who insert as the frm, they appear to be completely indifferent to the transformation or the peocess of a woman zwitching her mindset to a man's or coming to terms with being a man and just insert as a straight or gay man. Yoie for example is often read by women who insert as one of the two gay men. Thats part of why yoie has nothing to do with how gay men date or treat each other.
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>As for women who insert as the frm, they appear to be completely indifferent to the transformation or the peocess of a woman zwitching her mindset to a man's or coming to terms with being a man and just insert as a straight or gay man. Yoie for example is often read by women who insert as one of the two gay men. Thats part of why yoie has nothing to do with how gay men date or treat each other.
An easy way to tell when a gay romantic relationship is targeted at women who insert as one of the men is if there is some kind of power dynamic, both physical or social, between the two characters. Like the male lead is tall with big shoulders and huge hands and the other man is small and delicate. Huge power imbalances are another sign. Like if one man is a prince and the other is a stable boy.
Real gay men don't care about these imbalances nearly as much as people born as women and are more likely to write the gay lovers as either being an odd couple like a skinny nerd with a short fat jock or make it a couple of equals.
Straight men are pretty indifferent to power imbalances and at most will use it as window dressing for the first 2 pages and then spend the rest of the douj fucking and caressing. Signals of fertility, health, desire, happiness, those are far more appealing to gay and straight men.
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Is it legal in the US to have children in a game later grow up and have sex as a legal adult? What about them talk about sex or implied sex, but no images?
Like here is an idea for a mtf game. Dude is reborn as a princess. First half of the game you raise the princess. This is essentially a long character builder and sets the plot of the second half. Like if you learn magic, you're a big titty witch in the second half. If you learn the sword, you are athletic looking. Other choices as a kid would mean your straight or gay. Etc. There might even be a joke ending where if you have sex before 18 you get knocked up and there is no second half of the game.
Anyway, apon reaching 18 years old, your character is set and you regain your memories and you'd have to navigate the ramifications of that.
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Would you survive, if you become a big titty boat boat girl of kancolle flavor? (I-19)
Alternatively would you adopt an anon, who got turned into a boat girl?
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>patreon won't even allow them as background character npcs unconnected to the adult material
>shit's fucked, that milf better be childless
Im not really worried about patron or getting money. I just dont want to be on a list.
I'm not into cheese pizza. I dont want to make cheese pizza.. I have no intentions of even having nudes of anyone under age. Not even autistic one or baths, etc. Like if someone under 18 took a shower you would hear the shower and have a reaction box with just their head.
I know some people are really into world building and lore and having a character creator were you essentially raise the TGed into whatever kind of adult woman you want would really entertain them.
Like you could answer various questions and then in the second half that translates into being gay, bi or straight. Train various skills and that impacts how you look.
I guess I could make it two separate games and for the second game you can copy a file from the first into the folder and it would build the character off that.
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>Groomed teenaged girls with ROGD will frequently fantasize about being male
Even there it's not a sexual fantasy like it is for TSF. To become a "boy" is to lose those things that have previously made them sexually attractive to adult men, it's not a coincidence that an overwhelming number of teenage girls who start identifying as trans were sexually abused (Ellen Page, as the most famous example).
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>Real gay men don't care about these imbalances nearly as much as people born as women and are more likely to write the gay lovers as either being an odd couple like a skinny nerd with a short fat jock or make it a couple of equals.
I read a book on writing erotica recently and the author included a full short story with gay sex. One guy was a gas station clerk and the other was a biker, the whole thing revolved around how big the biker's dick was. (The only noteworthy thing was when the biker sucked the gas jockey off, spewed the semen out on his ass, and used it as lube for banging him, the description of which was the most off-putting thing I've ever read. Gay male sexuality is fucking weird and I say that as somebody who posts on /d/.)
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>This is essentially a long character builder and sets the plot of the second half. Like if you learn magic, you're a big titty witch in the second half.
So Princess Maker 2, only "she was a guy before, trust me bro." I think you need to incorporate the transformation more directly. At the very least, the first half of the game should be raising a boy to become some kind of woman in the second half.
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>big titty boat boat girl
I don't know what that is.
>>11462285
>That anon, but you watch post apocalypse for rape?
Probably doesn't watch it for rape, but there is a lot of rape in post-apocalyptic fiction and movies. Complaining about rape in the post-apocalypse is like complaining that you read a children's book and it had a talking animal in it.
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>So Princess Maker 2, only "she was a guy before, trust me bro." I think you need to incorporate the transformation more directly. At the very least, the first half of the game should be raising a boy to become some kind of woman in the second half.
I was thinking about that as a follow up if the first was successful.
It would require a lot more coding 5o set up a full on princess maker where training a young boy in this and that made him more of this kind of princess or that princess vs a simple game where you wonder around the castle and talk to people and perform tasks and depending on your actions ticks a stat up and down to be used later.
My first idea would essentially be exploring and answering questions to set starting stats. Maybe take 2 to 4 hours. The peincess maker, but starting wirh a boy, could be a game in itself.
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I like it.
But my favourite thing is corruption/enemy conversion with gender change. It's the peak hotness to see a good guy get turned into an evil girl, especially if his mind warps slowly and and he loses himself bit by bit, coming to genuinely enjoy being a sexy bitch with no true mind control involved.
Something like hero turning into a demoness and getting addicted to the pleasures, the feeling of power over people, to the sensation of being desired so strongly, or being dommed. The 'oh no, as a succubus I have to feed on men' is a subset of this, but less interesting to me because it's just a shortcut. I mean, don't get me wrong I like it all the same, but, you know.
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There isn't much fish out of water you can do with a girl turning into a boy, the clothes aren't that much different so nothing awkward there, and there aren't as many firsts. A big part of the appeal of the genre for me are the first 10-20 chapters when the MC is having awkward first encounters with things of their new life and new body, after that it can get a bit boring. There could be a focus on the 'fun stuff' like peeing standing up, masturbating, sex, being bigger and stronger, and other things men take for granted and maybe the things men don't have to do that girls have to but, it wouldn't be as good.
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Probably Boku no Joshiryoku wa Ano Ko no Pantsu ni Tsumatteiru, there's We Are Former Girls but I don't think that's good, the best ftm is probably bodyswap. There is a three part doujin I can't remember the name of which was about a girl turning into a boy and then fucking the class slut and the two of them becoming friends because they're both outsiders.
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>There isn't much fish out of water you can do with a girl turning into a boy, the clothes aren't that much different so nothing awkward there, and there aren't as many firsts. A big part of the appeal of the genre for me are the first 10-20 chapters when the MC is having awkward first encounters with things of their new life and new body, after that it can get a bit boring. There could be a focus on the 'fun stuff' like peeing standing up, masturbating, sex, being bigger and stronger, and other things men take for granted and maybe the things men don't have to do that girls have to but, it wouldn't be as good.
There is a story there but it is depressing and not really for porn. There have been a couple blogs and a book by women who have pretended to be men or transitioned and most of them boil down to "people dont trust you. People want to use you for money or labor. And because you are less attractive as a small man, no one gives a shit about how you feel, especially if you feel bad. You're not allowed to get openly angry or upset because it really scares people and social punishment comes as a reaction."
I think this revelation that people only care about the happy feelings of big handsome men broke the one that wrote the book. Finding out that men are mostly a source of labor and women a source of babies and people universally just use people put her into a depression she never came back from.
So yeah, you could make a douj about the differences but it probably wouldn't be a fun read. Like have a woman become a guy and when she goes to share her feelings people dont care and her friends hand wave it. Maybe have all but a few women ignore her thoughts and ideas. When she goes for a relationship no one will date her because she's kind of ordinary. Women mistrust her until they get to know her
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>Even there it's not a sexual fantasy like it is for TSF
I didn't intend to imply that at all since I knew this, but sure. It's really the closest female equivalent.
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I do believe that you're roundaboutly talking about Norah Vincent, a lesbian journalist who decided to pretend to be a man in order to write a book about the experiment, Self-Made Man. It was such a lonely and upsetting experience for her that she eventually had herself committed, as chronicled in her next book Voluntary Madness. The lingering depression resulted in her going overseas to take advantage of a European country's easy-to-access medically assisted suicide program a few years ago. Real shame.
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>it probably wouldn't be a fun read
There's X Gender which is a Japanese lesbian deciding that she's actually nonbinary, not quite ftm but close enough, I don't know how good it is as I stopped reading it when the main character had a near mental breakdown because her last girlfriend got married and had a kid "ruining her body with a man" it was clear to me at that point that I would not like the main character and I wanted no part in their journey.
There is a three part series where a girl turns into a boy and then gets close to the school slut or loser (can't remember which) and they hit it off, I can't remember the name of it but it was probably the best ftm series I read. A worse ftm series is Tensei Pandemic, that's just one of the worse GB series I've read in general, it didn't have the blandness or wish fulfilment of a Kaneko Noaya series, it had a really bad finale which retroactively ruined the rest of the series. Really I suppose there never will be too many ftm GB series because it's just not as fun and it's a niche in a niche.
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It's from quite awhile ago, but I recall the main character was crossdressing and hiding his gender, and was on a date with what was seemingly a lesbian business woman who was taking charge and trying to make sure the MC didn't fall for any guys; and it leads to them at the business woman's apartment or maybe a love hotel where business woman tries to have sex with the mc, while he tries to hide his gender from her. There may or may not have been pegging involved.
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It's not ikemen-joshi-to-josou-danshi; though this one is cute and while sex occurs, it's not really as "adult".
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>Is it legal in the US to have children in a game later grow up and have sex as a legal adult? What about them talk about sex or implied sex, but no images?
Explicit lolisho content is legal in the US. As long as it's completely fictional and non-realistic, but what you're describing isn't even that, so you'll be totally fine.
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>>11462552
Here you go, anon. As for what
https://exhentai.org/g/2495070/79029791ea/
https://exhentai.org/g/3054053/b1430ad7c4/
https://exhentai.org/g/3366027/cd3ea754e8/
(yaoi) https://exhentai.org/g/1829156/a116519638/
Tons of spicy things you can do with FTM
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It's possible, it was something I read quite awhile ago. I just remember the male MC trying to hid his gender/genitals while a typsy/drunk lesbian business woman has him in bed with her. I don't remember if he was just tucked or what. That's how long ago it was. Definitely from pre-2020.
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Oh, huh. I didn't know people liked this. I stopped updating because work took over my life for a bit, but things have settled down as of late. I might get back into it when I'm in a writing mood.
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>be you
>in front of a control panel
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>one is buff and very masculine
>the second is a skinny nerd in a cardigan
>the third is a nerd in a nintendo shirt
>the fourth is an emo guy with hair in front of his eyes
you can choose one of them to change into a woman after which each of the other buttons will lock up
Who are you going to pick?
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the only one thats unlikely to is the nerd with the cardigan.
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>>11463574
Yeah man, it's a cool premise.
>I stopped updating because work took over my life for a bit
I'm sure everyone gets to a point like that, glad to see your still around. Look forward to what you might think up next.
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>>11459558
>>11461563
Extra thicc Deku is best Deku
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>>11463604
>3 of the 4 options are going to tattoo their body up with nose rings and gauges in their ears.
>the only one thats unlikely to is the nerd with the cardigan.
what makes you think that? if they were going to do that wouldnt they have already done this?
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>>11463674
vastly more women have tattoos/nose rings.
of the 3, goth would have the highest chance of the 3, its nearly impossible to find a goth girl that does either have, gauges, nose ring, or tats.
then the nintendo/gamer nerd. more of those women have nose rings than the men, but its not very high on its own, its mostly the tattoos, and most commonly nintendo themed tattoos. usually a sign of pride in liking games, despite being made fun of for liking games.
buff/masculine girls want to attract men even MORE masculine than them. many of which ive spoken to (because i like dommy mommies) are tired of medium masculine guys flirting with them, so they double down on the masculine/intimidation characteristics, both in hopes of only attracting the super tattooed guys, and because they want to become the thing they like.
obviously not a 100% chance, but the rate is too high/likely for me to risk picking anything other than the lowest probability one.
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>>11459558
this idea of "reinterpreted sexuality" is making me wonder what the female to male equivalent would be
https://img.booru.org/dcaptions//images/2/959457393f990d1b796907f3d7e7 4d4f656f84c4.jpg
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>>11463680
you're forgetting that the people you are talking about used to be men and grew up as men so they are not going to have the same mindset as a woman as soon as you press the button
why would they jump to piercings and tattoos instead of learning make up or how to dress as a woman first?
what makes you think the people in this situation want to be turned into women
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>>11462552
It isn't a doujin but a mini arc in a mtf manga called Futaba Kun Change. Were a blood transfusion by the protagonist accidentally turns his/her love interest into a man.
I don't quite agree with others in this tread, I think the male body is alien enough to a girl to there being some appeal to the idea of ftm transformation.
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>>11463772
>>11463749
i want both dudes to be transformed, but not know the other is, and think they are scoring a lez one night stand, only to find out shortly after they were both originally guys, and bothered by it.
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>>11464077
Kino. I also like the opposite of idea with a woman transforming into a man and a man transforming into a woman, with the woman being a misandrist and the man being a misogynist.
>Both secretly into TSF shit
>Have very shallow views of men/women, believe they're all easy.
>Want to experience shit from the other side, presume the opposite sex will be easy as fuck to flirt with and fuck.
>This is some ultimate dark fantasy pleasure for both of them.
>They both flirt with eachother with the most shallow bitchy terrible personalities ever. They immediately start fucking an hour later.
>They have the most mind blowingly incredible sex ever, which leads to both of them failing to leave the hotel room they rented out before their pills or whatever they took wear off.
>They both wake up in a panic! The girl feels terrible, she doesn't want this woman to know the bastard who took advantage of her like that was actually a woman herself, she feels disgusted with herself! She doesn't really care about being seen as a lesbian, since she's a radfem.
>The man's extremely worried, he doesn't want to be seen as a homo, and doesn't want this guy to find out the hot bitch he fucked was a woman.
>They both stare at eachother in bed, realize what happened, and instead of freaking out, agree to do this every week.
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Buddy comedy featuring two best-friend men -- one who idolizes women and one who HATES women -- both getting their dicks stolen and turned into the hottest girls you've ever seen and going on a road trip across the country to get their dicks back.
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