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The first thing a real man does when he gets a new angle grinder is rip off the guard and toss it in the garbage.
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>>2945320
Four inch grinders are for manlets and others that are four foot eleven and under.
Real men use a corded or pneumatic grinder.
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>>2945461
>have found ways to work with it
so you admit its at a minimum an inconvenience and often a hindrance to practical use that requires extra steps to match the productivity of other users
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>>2945476
krautland must be the same way. they send you 2 guards with your new metabo to verify the full schadenfreuden experience
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>>2945452
sometimes you need the precision of a 9incher to touch up what the bench grinder wont get
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>>2945464
No but I was told by the older welders that it was necessary to take it off so I spent 13 years using my grinder the right way proving them wrong my way is best so end of story Listen, you little wiseacre: I'm smart, you're dumb; I'm big, you're little; I'm right, you're wrong, and there's nothing you can do about it!
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>>2945647
this, shop I used to work at everyone refused to wear PPE no matter how much managment pussies threatened to write up. any new guy who started off wearing glasses and earpro would get harassed mercilessly and ostracized until he stopped, then we'd let him be one of us.
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I take the guard off so I can change discs more easily.
Aint no way am I gonna keep track of where that dumb wrench is.
The only time I miss it is when I break a disc (at rest) by accidentally bumping it with something or if it falls a short distance or whatever.
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>>2945320
every single time someone says that the guard gets in the way, it turns out that they were just retarded and didn't know how to use a grinder, and nothing they were doing would be impacted by the guard in any way. there are some rare tasks where the guard can in fact be a bit cumbersome, like circular cuts, but the grinder isn't the most optimal tool for them anyway and eating sparks or risking the disk kicking back into your nuts for no reason 99% of the time, just because it can get in the way in that one job, is extremely retarded
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>>2945415
the grinder size has nothing to do with it being corded, cordless, or pneumatic. I have a 9'' cordless grinder, among others, 4.5'' or 5'' corded and 3'' pneumatic ones. I have way too many grinders, come to think of it
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>>2945674
you don't need a wrench to change disks (maybe in some rare cases when the screw jams really hard) and it has nothing to do with whether the guard is on or not. most grinders that aren't total powerty tier have a toolless change knob that makes it really easy or a wrench storage inside the handle
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look at this madman
he's been doing this for years and still has both eyes and all of his digits!
HOW DOES HE KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT?????
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>>2946425
maybe you're the type of person who cries when something gets in your way but a real man just removes it. same case here, took the guard off before it was even out of the box and got to work. not that you'd know anything about that.
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>>2946428
I just can think one step ahead and realize that not having an eye or a finger is much more inconvenient than having the guard on so I just deal with it like a responsible adult I am.
>but I've been doing it for years and I'm fine
It's always like that until it isn't. There are two types of people: those who show off by doing dumb things, and those who regret they did.
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>>2946170
Ahh, John Heisz...
this fucking guy used to install commercial/industrial steel doors for a living which is pretty unforgiving work.
he's probably logged more hours on the angle grinder than you all have gooning to anime. Imagine that for a sec.
Great clip, by the way, I appreciate the effort put in to whomever made it.
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>>2946439
>can't deal with minor inconvenience that only happens when using the tool wrong or using the wrong tool for the job in the first place
>tries to spin it as some sort of masculinity thing to dodge criticism
>calls others whiny bitches for poking fun at his retardation
Yeah you just need to grow up
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Guardfags keep bringing up the masculinity angle as if the statement in the OP isn't a joke.
Here's the truth:
The reasons people take the guard off rarely include "i want to prove how masculine i am"'.
On the other hand, it is very gay and not masculine if you don't understand (and don't want to understand) how to use the tool safely when there's no guard.
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>>2946651
You're doing it because you're either a whiny bitch who can't handle the inconvenience of having it on or a whiny bitch trying to mask it under a false bravado. So which one is it?
>I immediately throw it away as soon as I get a new grinder
Do you at least strike a JoJo pose when doing it? Or bros might talk
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>>2946693
>Imagine being so ass-blasted by what someone else does with their tools that you have to write several paragraph long complaints over multiple threads on a Mongolian basket weaving forum...
ISHYGDDT
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>>2946746
>Imagine being so ass-blasted by what someone else does with their tools that you keep making these threads
Btw having the the guard on would make literaly zero difference on your pic, i.e. cheap poser confirmed
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if you're doing something with a grinder where the guard is inconvenient, you are doing something the grinder disc was not designed for and you might need that guard all of a sudden. if you guys wanna catch exploding high rpm fragments though be my guest, less 4chan using internet retards around the better.
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>>2945320
always keep two grinders in hand
>precision/daily grinder
guard on, cant get precision without thumb control on the shield
>death wheel
that one old grinder the wheel was lost ages ago, its small, it has no safety measures whatever, its only used for cutting Thoose things or That bolt.
if you are serous you need a third one
>God wheel
she be kicking, its the buttold large disk behemoth with a recoil that shifts the earths orbit. you dont turn around with this in your hand spinning, the earth turns around you, satelittes fall out of orbit and russian drones end up in poland when you do.
but dont diss the guard cover.
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>>2946763
>>Imagine being so ass-blasted by what someone else does with their tools that you keep making these threads
I didn't make the thread.
>>2946763
>Btw having the the guard on would make literaly zero difference on your pic, i.e. cheap poser confirmed
See it doesn't matter whether it is on or off, so why do you care so much?
When something becomes an inconvenience it gets the axe. I don't care if it's a grinder guard, pto shield, belt or chain guard, or a woman...
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>>2946763
Do you really think anyone is reassessing whether or not the guard is going to make a difference for every cut they make?
No, the guard gets tossed or lost -- either immediately upon purchase or the first time it becomes even a little bit of a nuisance -- and we move on with our lives.
I've actually never encountered IRL someone who was injured by a grinder. I wonder if there's any data on how common grinder injuries are and how severe they tend to be.
>>2946765
>if you're doing something with a grinder where the guard is inconvenient, you are doing something the grinder disc was not designed for
this is embarrassingly false
the guard has absolutely nothing to do with that
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>>2946857
>I didn't make the thread.
Oh then keep going I guess?
>See it doesn't matter whether it is on or off,
I stand corrected - it wouldn't affect your ability to do the job, it would however make a difference between a change of pants and a ride to the hospital if something goes too wrong.
>so why do you care so much?
It wouldn't affect me in the slightest if either of you get a shard through your face, I'm just here to have fun at your immature behaviour.
>When something becomes an inconvenience it gets the axe
Let's just hope that eye or finger of yours aren't that much of an inconvenience
>>2946880
>Do you really think anyone is reassessing whether or not the guard is going to make a difference for every cut they make?
Uh normally you should? And the question isn't if you should take the guard off or put it back on but whether you should do it in a different way so that the guard isn't in the way, or use a different tool altogehter.
>I've actually never encountered IRL someone who was injured by a grinder.
I've never seen anyone die in a car crash IRL either, so?
"How it could possibly happen to me" is one of the dumbest thing you can say when it does happen to someone every day.
>I wonder if there's any data on how common grinder injuries are and how severe they tend to be.
https://www.google.com/search?q=angle%20grinder%20injuries%20statistic s
>Angle grinders cause thousands of injuries annually, ranking among the most dangerous power tools, with major mechanisms including abrasive wheel shattering, kickback, and blade segment loss. Head and hand injuries are particularly common, sometimes leading to severe outcomes like amputations, nerve damage, and even fatalities. Statistics vary by region and study, but data from the U.S. suggests nearly 25,000 injuries, while the UK's Health and Safety Executive reports over 5,000 accidents a year.
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>>2946890
It says a lot about you that you would cite an AI hallucination to justify your fear and anger.
Perhaps your contempt is a product of envy?
You have the power to achieve your goals your way, safely. It's okay to take off the training wheels and ride without a helmet -- you're more capable than you think. Just be careful -- and remember that "being careful" is not the same thing as "following all the proper safety procedures"; not even close.
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>>2946896
That's a lot of words to say "nothing bad will ever happen to me".
Dude, you're not in complete control of a thing that spins at 200 km/h no matter how much you pound your chest that you are. The only thing you can do is make sure you stay out of the way when (not if) it goes off. Keeping guard on along with other safety equipment is a large part of that.
>AI hallucination
There are links to peer reviewed works and official statistics that say the same below yet you chose to ignore that just to keep being right in your mind. Like I said, if getting your face whacked by the grinder is what it takes for you to change your mind, please be my guest by all means. I'm not really fond of watching people get hurt but it could sometimes make a good laugh.
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>>2946901
I don't know what boogeyman you've invented that you think you're arguing against.
I'm not making claims that "nothing bad will ever happen to me" or that I can control kickbacks or accidents.
I just know how my tools work. If you know which direction the disc spins and the axis upon which it does so, you can just -- get this -- STAY OUT OF THE WAY of sparks, shattered discs, and kickbacks.
It does kick, a lot; but i make my cuts such that it kicks AWAY from me.
It does throw sparks, a lot; but I make my cuts such that it throws them NOT IN MY FACE.
I've never seen a disc shatter and have only heard a couple of stories online; but I make my cuts such that if it were to happen, the shards are going NOT TOWARDS ME.
It's as if you're imagining that people are out working with the disc inches away from their eyeballs with their fingers in the path of their cuts and their dick right in line with the majority of the spark discharge. Any sensible worker is using a posture and hand placement and positioning such those risks are GREATLY mitigated -- enough so that it makes the guard superfluous!
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>>2947071
>I'm not making claims that "nothing bad will ever happen to me" or that I can control kickbacks or accidents.
You effectively do by claiming that you have the ability to always
>STAY OUT OF THE WAY of sparks, shattered discs, and kickbacks.
>make my cuts such that it kicks AWAY from me.
>make my cuts such that it throws them NOT IN MY FACE.
"Never rely on being careful for being safe". It's a well known and respected rule in hazardous occupations, written in blood. You don't control every variable and your attention is not perfect. Sometimes shit happens despite your best efforts or intentions.
>I make my cuts such that if it were to happen, the shards are going NOT TOWARDS ME.
But they are, because you have no guard. At the very least it's your hands you're holding the grinder with that are in the plane of rotating disc, and they're getting smashed hard when it breaks. I hope you don't think shards only fly where sparks do? And don't try to tell me there's never anything else too - if not your eyes then it's arms, legs, chest etc. because you only have issues with the guard because you keep doing something awkward with the grinder.
>Any sensible worker is using a posture and hand placement and positioning such those risks are GREATLY mitigated -- enough so that it makes the guard superfluous!
Guard gives you an entire safe sector where you're protected from being directly hit. Without it at least some parts of your body are ALWAYS in the way.
It takes less than 20 milliseconds for the broken shards to hit you and the distance only increases the chance that they miss the important bits. So it matters jack shit how careful you think you are, what you're really relying on is pure luck.
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Seen so many retards on the farm injured by grinders, because they've never been trained how to use them.
>wrong disk
>no guard
>incorrectly fastened
>stupid cutting angle
But I've seen just as many injuries where someone who knew what they were doing just lost focus or slipped.
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>>2945592
It's pretty small, like smaller than the chance of having a major accident with my eyes or rusting my shop tools by getting grinding dust all over them or getting sparks on your mom when she's waiting in the background
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>>2945320
the second thing he does is put an appropiately sized (extends past the end of the handle) saw blade on it. inb4 gay jews say that this is dangerous or will burn out the motor
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>>2947173
Yes, I am relying on luck to some degree, just as I do every single day of my life with every task ever -- with or without a guard. That's life. If I was concerned with safety above all else I would literally not do any work.
>Never rely on being careful for being safe
This directive confuses me because to my mind, the two things are inseperable. Between two scenarios,
>A cautious, attentive, skilled worker elects to make all of his cuts without a guard
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>A reckless, distracted, unskilled worker makes all of his cuts with a guard
Which of them is more likely to be injured? Is it safe if I throw caution to the wind because I happen to have a guard on my grinder?
>b-b-but the skilled worker can use a guard too and then he'll be EXTRA safe!
Maybe so; I still don't care. That extra degree of safety (which I really believe is minimal -- not zero! -- in the case of the skilled worker) is not worth the time and effort involved in its use.
When I buy a new grinder, I either leave the guard on because that's how it comes out of the box, or I put it on because "meh, it can't hurt".
It inevitably becomes a nuisance; the moment that happens, it goes in the trash and I move on with my life.
What do you think safety even is? If it's not a mindset or a stance or a behavior based on your own judgment, I don't know what to say to you. If being safe to you means that you just always use all the manufacturer's recommended safety features regardless of context, that strikes me as woefully naive. I really want to know; I'm not trying to misrepresent your position. I'm just genuinely confused about what you think it means to be safe.
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>>2945320
Need advice from someone Angle Grinder Certified.
I've got a cinderblock wall I need to cut a dog and sheep door in. Is an angle grinder with diamond wheels an appropriate choice?
The door will be 5'x3'. My plan is to score or cut the blocks, then sledgehammer them out. After that, trim it up with the grinder and frame out the door.
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>>2948536
>This directive confuses me because to my mind, the two things are inseperable
Not as much as you think. You should, of course, always try to be careful, but it should never be your last or only safety measure. Always have a solid backup plan that doesn't rely on you not fucking up because one day you will. Everyone make mistakes and you're not an exception.
>Which of them is more likely to be injured?
Both are idiots and shouldn't use dangerous tools
>What do you think safety even is
Safety is risk management. You see danger, you check with yourself if you're ok with that happening to you, then you either proceed or take steps to mitigate it until the risk becomes acceptable.
>mindset or a stance or a behavior based on your own judgment
The problem is that personal judgement is flawed, it's easy to downplay danger and overestimate your ability to prevent it, especially if you have a lazy and complacent mindset, or just overlook something. Obvious corporate bullshit aside, safety rules are written in blood and by more competent people than me, so I'd rather inconvenience myself trying to follow them than let my judgement find a suitable excuse not to. And willingly throwing away a safety device that has a very clear use supported by statistics and provided to you for your own money just because youre too dumb or lazy to work around it is plain idiotic.
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>>2948620
I'm upset that you avoided the question about the two workers. I'm going to choose to believe it's because you know deep down inside where you're soft like a woman that skill, attention, and caution do the heavy lifting when it comes to power tool safety.
Your passion for this topic is amusing though. Want to guess what safety features I don't have on my table saw?
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>>2948676
>I'm upset that you avoided the question about the two workers.
I didn't, you just don't like the answer (or rather that I didn't bite on your loaded question)
>which is better, one stupid thing or another stupid thing
Idk man, both are stupid and you shouldn't be doing either
>passion
We're literally shitposting on an American grease squeezing forum. It's called having fun.
>Want to guess what safety features I don't have on my table saw?
Oh right, an ultimate idiot test - a riving knife
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>>2951104
Imagine being such a fragile, insecure manbaby that you have to deliberately remove parts of a machine to make you feel more masculine.
its like deciding you have to sprinkle some ground glass on your lunch to "own the libs" or something equally fucking retarded.
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https://www.osha.gov/ords/imis/AccidentSearch.search?p_logger=1&acc_de scription=&acc_Abstract=&acc_keywor d=grinder&sic=&naics=&Office=All&of ficetype=All&endmonth=10&endday=15& endyear=2002&startmonth=10&startday =15&startyear=2026&InspNr=
I don't use a guard but accidents do happen. Respect your tools' power, bros
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>>2952744
Get a piece of a disk in your shin bone, like my father did.
Get veins and tendons of your forearm cut, like my cousin's husband did (he mostly healed).
Get some exciting moments when you forget that you're cutting something handing and it bites the disk after being cut.
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Most of these examples use diamond wheels on low-amp 4 - 1/2" grinders. The guard provides spark control, direction, and diamond blades produce much less sparking than fiber discs.
Fiber discs, unlike steel discs, explode when jammed or damaged. Steel blades with diamond cutting surfaces tend to bind, if at all, and stop the grinder.
Ref: hitachi-koki 6amp angle grinder.
Beyond The Press/Hydraulic Press channel, did evaluations of what exploding fiber cutting disks will do.
Wear a face shield over your eyepro, and earpro, when grinding/cutting.
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I have one grinder I kept the guard on because of some old as hell 7" grinding wheels I have that like to throw off chunks and am trying to use them up. Needed to cut some some bullshit tubing bumper off the back of a stock trailer that someone added on for god only knows what reason. Small grinder didn't have enough depth of cut with a 5" cutoff wheel so I grabbed that 7" with the guard and a worn down chop saw wheel. It was able to reach down in there enough to almost completely cut it off and I was able to break whatever's was left with a spud bar. Then there was still a receiver hitch to cut off and some weld to grind. I swear no matter which way I contorted that damn thing it was just an awkward pile of shit. Put it down and effortlessly cut the rest of the receiver off with my guardless 4 .5" grinder...
If all you are doing is grinding/cutting easy access stuff then I guess you might as well leave the guard on. I get into situations quite frequently where a guard is a complete hinderance.
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Essential Craftsman. No guard. Ten fingers. Two working eyes.
Later in the video this clip is from, he even gives some good advice on how to prevent discs from sending shards into orbit. Pay attention, Anonymous.
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>>2956304
>gives some good advice on how to prevent discs from sending shards into orbit
it really is a simple process
step 1:dont buy cheapass shit wheels
thats it. no more steps. abuse them any way you enjoy
$3+ ea discs from norton/3m/pferd/walter/flexovit/etcwont explode even when broken across the center
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>>2956335
>thinks welds need to be chipped
git gud
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>>2945461
>there's no need to take it off
they bite the fuck out of you if you ever get a finger jammed between the blade and the guard.
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>>2956711
>What are the advantages to removing the guard?
can't waste time watching porn when you are blind and no need to smoke since you have already rotten your lungs by probably not using respirator or any other safety gear neither
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>>2957778
>can't waste time watching porn when you are blind and no need to smoke since you have already rotten your lungs by probably not using respirator or any other safety gear neither
So overall a net positive?
Nice.
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>>2956711
When you're doing fine cuts into something (like cutting exhaust bolts off), pushing grinder is better control and less likely to have it run off and damage other stuff, plus the sparks pushed away (this is better). Also the sharp end got smaller.
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>>2945541
I'd say not even that.
>>2945635
What the fuck? Are you blind? Doesn't your limbs, hear and/or head move?
>>2945649
It helps if you have confidence I yourself and do not suffer from lemmingism. Then you can use the ppe you like and not care about others.
>>2945674
Yhis thread gets just more and more regarded by every post.
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Wife scored a FREE angle grinder on Amazon Vine. She hasn't opened or used it yet, so can't make any declarations. cordless 18v-20v (max) listing said it is compatible with dewalt, which is my ecosystem. her full set is ryobi, but we have some crossover battery adapters that allow us to share dewalt batteries to her kit, which allows me to use her 16ga Brad nailer for trim work.
3000/5000/7200 RPM.
Brushless motor.
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>>2965021
we both stay very busy in a hands and tools sort of way. i do trade work by day. she keeps the house, livestock, gardens & minor maintenance/repairs as needed. sometimes she builds cages or repair/modify existing infrastructure. evenings & weekends we chore together but separately. she uses her recip for butchering, circular for cage construction/repair, crown stapler, impact & drill for everything. tape measures, clamps, levels, chalk lines, wrenches, sockets, air compressor, etc.
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>>2945320
Ive only recently gotten over my fear of power tools in general. I can use a hammer drill just fine, but grinders still scare me a lot so i don't use them. They make a very loud noise, and the gyroscopic effect (i don't know what else to call if, you know the gentle stabilizing force you feel when you're holding one)
I just don't trust myself to use one because I'm probe to day dreaming and often slip into wonderland if I'm not paying attention really hard
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>>2964641
I've used a Hercules with their own batts. Felt absolutely gutless compared to my corded DWE402. The paddle was also somehow harder to use with gloves despite being basically the same design. I've only messed with the cordless DWs a little but they felt better to me. Personally I'd probably wait for a sale on the real deal, if you don't really need it immediately.
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Did you know you can leave your guard on with this new technology called a mirror?
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>>2946880
Trauma surgeon here:
Angle grinder injuries are one of the most common in the ER. (Extensor tendon lesions of the fingers or forearm). Especially when used on wood or with the wrong kind of disk. Don't know about the guard but I can assume it was off.
I'm going to start asking
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>>2974011
>Angle grinder injuries are one of the most common in the ER
you must live in grinderville, usa which sounds like a neat place because my sister in law thats an actual er nurse says the avg shift is narcanning 20-25 junkies and 6 assorted squatamalans with sore throats and no insurance
its more likely youre from grindrville instead
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>>2974011
Yeah, I'm curious to know. Based on your description though, it sounds likely that most of those will be situations where
>I was holding the workpiece in the wrong spot and the tool jumped out of the cut
in which case, the guard isn't a strong factor.
The guard is for protection from flying material off the wheel -- that means sparks and the occasional exploding disc if you're particularly unlucky or buy shit discs. If you get *cut* by an intact grinder disc, it is almost certainly due to negligence and there's no possible safety feature that can protect you from that.
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>>2974311
>If you get *cut* by an intact grinder disc, it is almost certainly due to negligence and there's no possible safety feature that can protect you from that.
Eh, kind of, because it involves negligently not using safety features as intended, but if you use a handle with both hands on the tool, and you use a guard positioned between the wheel and your body, the thing should be able to kick however it wants and stay away from your body.
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>>2974364
What has the guard got to do with kickbacks? If the guard is somehow protecting your flesh from kickbacks, you are using your grinder in a negligent manner.
You can avoid the thing kicking in any dangerous way at all if you just position your shit properly.
Only somewhat related, but check out this maneuver:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu1mLIRYyBg
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reading this thread makes me glad I don't work construction anymore. The world is filled with too many eternal highschoolers that do stupid shit to show off to people that don't matter. Even if you protect yourself, some dumbass can undermine that effort in a second
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>>2945320
I fucking hate angle grinders. This 'tool' is constantly looking at you with disdain, just waiting for the perfect time to strike and gore you in the most savage, inhumane way possible. The contraption lurks in the sparks, yawning for your fingers, begging you to make a mistake and get crippled for life. Little to nothing can be done to fully secure its user against this demonic machine's potential for brutality. If this hell-spawn excuse for a power tool was a person, it would be jeffrey dahmer, and you would be the drunk gay nigger yielding it
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>>2974694
>t. weak wrist havers
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>>2974694
I'm with you. It's the only tool I use regularly that's actively trying to kill you, and even when it isn't they're just miserable to work with. Fortunately I'm in a trade that I actually had to go to school for so I don't need to deal with them too often and nobody can give me shit for the guard when I do.
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>>2974695
Based. Diresta is pure soi needing to "steady" his grinder like that... One hand grip that thing like a man!
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>>2974719
plus theres a giant untapped resource of bonus suicide wheels of you have an abrasive chop saw. when the wheels get down around 9" they dont cut for fuck on the saw but go like a raped ape on the grinder. you dont even need a special washer for the 1" hole. just bump the running wheel against the bench grinder and itll dress it true running
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>>2974644
My sister in law, a former stage tech, is now H&S supervisor for a scaffolding company that she started and climbed the ladder with when COVID happened. She has to constantly deal with that kind of retard. And if they are not retards at the workplace, they get themselves in trouble with local mob.
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>>2974803
Some tradies are just anti earpro for whatever reason, I've gotten shit for wearing muffs around the pumps and other loud machinery
>waaaah why you wear that
>you can't hear the motor with that!!!
Guarantee if a bearing was screaming I could hear it fine but I'm not going deaf just for a paycheck