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>>2954235
Tiny home 100%, it's like a trailer but more durable and better insulated for harsh weather. Hire a pickup truck bro from craigslist to move it when you get tired of your renter. "Mobile" homes always fuck you with the space rent and you can't really move them.

>>2954235
the actual home usually isn't the valuable part of real estate. anyway a quonset hut probably fits your needs.

>>2954253
Based quonsets

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>>2954235
yurt

>>2954235
>Aboslute minimum for roof
Tents. Just hanged fabrics held up with rods and wires.
Then you can have wood framed sheds covered by fabric.
Then the shed can be covered by roof and wall panels that can't be torn by sharp objects or heavy weight
Anything sturdier and bigger needs foundation first so not ready on day one. Anything nicer are more about utilities and appliances.

>>2954235
where are you do you have access to cash?

get your hands on land. banks dont lend against land itself, gotta have other assets

>>2954235
Pallet wood house made from stolen pallet wood.

>>2954235
squat in someone's house
when they evict you, go squat in someone else's house

>>2956308
Squatter's rights is best. You could also try an air bnb then don't leave after.

4 unit housing complex, loan terms are some of the best often one unit is small. live like shit for a few years until the bank has checked all the boxes for the creditors then move in. throw regular bbq gives you a built in community and responsibilities. you will become a better man providing for others and other in turn will want to provide for you. towel heads figured this shit out and it is promoted in their dirt hovels for multiple wives but you can use the same language with western design and move whole families.
tldr: use the rent seekers norms to capitalize on intentionally bad math.
rent seekers read parasites

A simple tent.

>>2954235
>What is THE cheapest form of housing?
1000% it's squatting

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>>2954350
>banks dont lend against land itself

>>2954235
You used to be able to find used FEMA trailers on eBay for very cheap. Usually not very old buildings. Sometimes the interior is pristine, and sometimes trashed out.

>>2954235
Do what i did. Get a free POS RV, the roof will leak. Do a temp fix with a tarp. Live in it while making a basic off grid cabin and once the basic shell is done strip everything out of the RV and use it for all the houses systems:
>Water storage tank
>On demand water heater with pump and pressure tank
>12v inverter with AC, battery charger and 12v power supply
>All the wiring and lights you need
>Propane heater
>Shower
>Stove with oven
>Gas/electric powered refrigerator
>Kitchen cabinets
>Furniture
>Bed
>Sink
>Windows
>Doors


Afterwards strip the trailer down and put a floor on it and use it haul stuff.

>>2956380
They don't go try and get a loan on woodlot you fucking nonce. They will loan on a HOME

>>2958441

i didnt have the stamina to try and explain, anon, thanks.

Loans. Unsecured loans are a thing, but rarely enough to buy buildable land.
As a result, you need something to borrow against, or collateral.

If this thread is where you are learning those terms, you are just a dreamer who knows nothing, not a serious poster asking a serious question

unless you are looking for advice like live in your parents basement? either way, peace loser

>>2958423

have you done something like this? or is this just advice?

>>2958630
Yes i have, twice. The second time bits of that RV went into three separate buildings and i use the trailer to haul big logs for a friends mill.

The part that takes planning is the power system since that is getting installed before you rip out the wiring and 12v fixtures but everything else is simple.

>The stove is a gas stove just really small
>Heater takes both 120 and 12v if you don't manually light it, same for water heater
>Gas Refrigerator requires you to read the manual on how to use it

The power unit is something i strongly advise getting the manual for since it combines a fuse box, 120v supply, 12v supply, 12v battery charger and has both 12 and 120v imputs. It is also the thing most likely to be fucked up in a old RV. The plumbing is all PEX but everything you need is there, even the pressure tank and pump.

Think about it: A camper is a self contained house, it has everything you need and they are usually free. The biggest hassle besides planning out how to transfer the electrical system will probably be figuring out if you want to reuse the windows and doors since they can have rounded edges.

>>2954235
A cave. It's completely free, you just need to find a suitable one.

>>2958682
Caves have cryptids and the occasional 17th reich scout from inner earth if they're deep enough, gotta make sure it's a good neighborhood first

>>2954235
>tiny home
At that point you might as well buy a tool shed from home depot.

>>2954235
used travel trailer (with bathroom) and a "camper cover" metal roof thing to park it under

>>2954235
Literally just a decent house in a less desirable part of town

>>2954235
Cheap used RV if you want a roof over your head with basic amenities, i.e. hot water, stove, microwave, sink, toilet, shower, and basic furniture.
t. lived in an RV for years between houses

>>2954310
Looks comfy

>>2958664

its interesting to me.
im living in a house I built largely out of another building set to be demolished, its not like I dont like reusing things, but other than the cute little stove, the fridges really arent that efficient, the furnace blower motors kill batteries like crazy, and the charging system isn't really smart enough not to roast the shit out of your batteries if you hook up a solar panel or three... Rv sinks and fixtures, yeah theyrr there but theyre always gonna feel cheap.
good on ya for reusing it all.

I have an rv. For my power I bought 1500$ of used stuff from a guy that lived in the national forest and a couple new batteries. Its just.... the real deal not the rv version, like everything

even the water pump for inside my house, i wanted to use it, but id rather run a 120ac pump off the inverter and use 12 guage wiring already in the walls and not worry about it rather than do another dc run to 1 specific thing just so I could avoid 80 dollars of pump Ill use for hopefully years.

good on you for getting shir done in the world

>>2954235
Living in a van or buying a really cheap, shitty apartment in a terrible neighborhood

>>2958740
Difference is a tiny home will be insulated and equipped for electrical and plumbing.

>>2958664
The trouble is finding a plot of land that doesn't have covenants or zoning laws that restrict temporary accommodations. Any reasonably sized parcel will likely have such restrictions, and larger plots are prohibitively expensive requiring cash-only. And if you do find a smaller plot with no restrictions, you run the risk of having a cleetus for a neighbor who lets their 7 pitbulls run loose while they dump their shit to run-off onto your land, and you have no recourse.

>>2960066
I just bought land in a unincorporated territory, no permits or even codes.

motorcycle and a sleeping bag

>>2954235
Living in a van would be really comfy. I have a house but I want to do it for a few months while road tripping through Europe some day.

>>2958441
>>2958629
not him but i have personally taken loans out on a few pieces of undeveloped land, two of them without even road access
they just want a very high down payment
it may be a state to state thing but afaik it's only small banks and credit unions that do it, not someone like wells fargo

>>2961370
Fuck off. We're full

Cuckshed kit, they make pre-cut kits that go together like lincoln logs

>>2960394
Those are 5 starting bids for homes up for auction and one complete wreck that will cost more than building a new home on empty land as you'll also have to pay to have that unlivable mess torn down. Also Detroit, obviously.

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>>2954235
>I want to do the bare minimum, the only real requirement is having a roof over my head
Gets pretty tiring quickly, you can do this with rammed earth/compressed earth blocks and a tin roof with basic timber/pole framing.
https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/CEB_Press
>>2954253
>quonset
This, a quonset hut scales up really big, you could even build a warehouse with one and become a wholesale goods trader.
Starting cost is at least 80k plus land though.

mud house

>>2960394
Best case scenario those have insane delinquent taxes/liens 10-50x higher than their sales prices, while also having been trashed on the inside and not being up to code.
And even if you fix all that for what would admittedly be cheaper than a house elsewhere
>Detroit

>>2954235
If you own the land? Sure, a trailer would work out pretty cheap.

If you don't, like in the majority of trailer parks? You're at the mercy of land rent and your landlord. And recent trends have been that privately owned ones are getting bought out by Private Equity and treated as a perfect captive money farming source.

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>>2961927
Not any more. Abandoned properties in Detroit are seized by the Land Bank, washed of all liens, and then auctioned off with the requirement that they be rehabbed to livable condition or torn down with new housing built. Failure to do so results in the Land Bank seizing the property again without a refund.

>>2961142
>motorcycle
Overkill. I lived for a few months with a tarp in my backpack.

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>>2954235
A wigwam is pretty available and cheap form of housing. A loo is in the yard.

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>>2954235
>I want to do the bare minimum, the only real requirement is having a roof over my head.

Diogenes lived in a barrel. But it is necessary to take into account the correction for the climate, not in every climate this is possible.

>>2962526
>lived in a barrel
he lived in rome. slept in a barrel

>>2962538
He never lived in Rome, he was from a Greek colony in Turkey and lived in Athens and Corinth.

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the kilt

>>2962591
k
>he lived in a society. slept in a barrel

>>2962600
>I said something blatantly wrong, time to try to cover it up!

>>2962610
point is living in a barrel in miami in 1980 is vastly different than living in a barrel in miami in 2020

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>>2962591
>Turkey
you mean anatolia
"turkey" didn't exist then

>>2954235
>cheapest form of housing
Rent

>>2954253
>the actual home usually isn't the valuable part of real estate
Most residential real estate (aka the average 1/4 acre suburban home) value allocation is like 90% improvement 10% land.

>>2962182
>If you own the land? Sure, a trailer would work out pretty cheap.
You would have to afix the trailer to a foundation to be legal. At that point, you are already paying a new build price for a trailer home that will break down a lot quicker.

Cheapest form of housing is solid stone construction, it will last forever so cost falls to zero in-the-limit
>Atlanteans knew this.

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>>2964500
>afix the trailer to a foundation to be legal.
what? The entire point of building on a wheeled trailer is you get to skirt all sorts of building codes.

>>2964511
Wait until you find out code doesn't allow you to camp on your property full time, if at all.

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>>2954235
>What is THE cheapest form of housing?
Travel trailer from a salvage auction.

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>>2954235
The tesla tiny home. Includes Starlink, solar panels so you can generate electricity. Modular so you can hook up a second or third one as the family (if,lol) grows. Totally off grid living you can set it up anywhere...

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>>2964595
forgot link, you can get one for about 8 grand.


https://pezziniluxuryhomes.com/blog/dollar7579-tesla-tiny-house

>>2964595
>no annual property tax bill
Once you set it up on land, it'll count as improvement that'll be taxable.

>8 grand
It won't be, and that doesn't include the cost of foundation, septic, and well. Also in many areas there's minimum square footage restriction.

>>2964512
I'm still waiting...

Trailer/RV will be the cheapest with everything you need. It really comes down to prices. There was a 8x27 trailer/RV around for 4K, which is pretty cheap. I didn't get it before the weather turned south here but if it's still available in spring, I'm going to buy it.

That's the problem with this kind of thing. Moving is where the cost is. Even if you find a cheap mobile home, the cost of moving can eat up any savings over just building something of the same size.

Of course the problem there is permits and inspections. Here, anything of 200sq/ft needs all the bullshit.Of course there isn't anything stopping anyone from just building a complex of 200sq/ft buildings.

>>2964595
>Forget to update
>Can't open the door

>>2954310
this is actually the answer if your local code allows it. You'll have to figure out what bathroom option works for you because septic tanks add a lot of complexity to the yurt situation. That's why most people use an incinerating / humanure toilet in the yurt while they slowly build their 'real' house.
If code allowed it I think a large yurt ($12k give or take), a large power station from costco, and some used or cheap solar panels would be a great setup for someone just getting started in the world. Obviously would only work in more rural areas. Could then slowly build a cordwood house and be pretty much set without a mortgage.
In more restrictive areas a regular single-wide mobile home on a slab might be the best you can do, and that would set you back over $100k with septic and power hookup.

>>2954235
the cheapest form of housing is buying a house with 3-4 bedrooms and having tenants pay your mortgage for you.
I have a buddy who does this and he's actually turning a profit, as in he has money left over from his tenants after paying his mortgage.

>>2964497
it's like 40/60 here

>>2964512
Just has to be zoned for mobile homes

>>2958682
>>2958693
The cave provides.

>>2967087
buying a house is supposed to free you from living with a bunch of renters

>>2967195
OP asked for the cheapest form of housing, and their only condition was a roof over their head. buying a house and renting out bedrooms is the cheapest and even allows you to make money with the right circumstances.

>>2954235
So, I bought 3 acres of land in rural shithole oklahoma for $12k, bought an old (1995) RV trailer that was in solid condition for $5k, parked it there and spent another $5k getting public water and electricity hooked up, roof started to leak as I learned the roof is always the first fucking thing to go on these so I spent another $8k on a nice enclosure carport built around it to shelter it. Also a few hundred renting a mini-excavator and building a DIY septic from 55 gal plastic drums. Around $30k to escape rentoid life for me. Could have done it cheaper with a bare bones roof-and-nothing-else carport but I went with a fancy full-enclosed with roll up door so I could double-lock the trailer up when I was away. If a determined methoid figured out I'm gone two weeks at a time trucking, they could just angle grinder in anyway, but a lot of times simple deterrence is enough.

>>2956315
Don't do that if you can't handle bullshit like SJC and Asian Andy evictions.

>>2958441
Depends on the land, land they can flip in less than a week to cover your loan will be fine.
If the land is in the sticks with a 2 year turnaround they probably won't be interested.

>>2964698
>AWS outage
>all the doors and windows open and close at random

>>2967265
4k an acre, in Oklahoma... grim

>>2967091
>Just has to be zoned for mobile homes
There's like zero new zones for trailer parks and towns tolerate existing ones because they can't get rid of them. The chances of you finding unimproved land that allows mobile home use is close to zero.

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Maybe I should ask this in stupid questions general instead, but does anyone have knowledge on steel buildings? Like pic related. A single guy could live in one of it had plumbing, I’m aiming to use it as a workshop/garage and could potentially sleep on a cot. There’s countless companies advertising these, generally 20k-30k for the size I want. I understand the concrete pad is the most cost prohibitive part but I already have a pad with the ability to easily add plumbing. Does anyone know any tricks for these? Things to look for in companies? Ways to find deals? Is it diy-able with a couple guys and a piece of equipment with lifting capabilities?

>>2967789
Steel and aluminum buildings suffer from some moderately severe problems:

1 noise, they transmit a lot of outdoor noise inside especially rain and wind causing them to move and creak.

2. condensation, unless you're ok without heat and cooling you're going to have condensation problems which can rust steel panels / bolts and cause mold growth. Insulating is possible but then you're getting into building science and spending loads of time and money upgrading it from a basic shell to a comfortable livable structure.

They also tend to be a bit air leaky - which raises costs of heating / cooling significantly. You'll burn enough wood to heat a 2500 sqft home trying to keep something that size from freezing in the winter.

You certainly can do what you're imagining but you'd probably be better off leaving it as a garage, sleeping on a cot temporarily and just stick building some kind of livable home instead of trying to turn that into a home.

>>2967792
I typed out a whole detailed response but the captcha is gay I lost my post. You’re right about a metal box being a bad living space. This could be solved in the interest of habitation or just having a more comfortable workshop by sealing the envelope then using a robust ducted dehumidifier like a Sante Fe. You might want mechanical air exchange as you scaled up in size but otherwise you could get by with Chinesium minisplits. I do hvac contracting so that’s what I’d do. Paying someone to insulate and condition your metal box house would be idiotic for sure. Same problems as when people try to make container homes or offices. If you don’t consult a manual N you’re going to lose the fight against humidity and mold.

>>2967792
>spending loads of time and money upgrading it from a basic shell to a comfortable livable structure
Most construction cost isn't the shell of the building, it's what goes inside it. I've had clients who spent more money on their kitchen and bathrooms than on the rest of the house combined.

>>2954248
From the legal perspective, where could you put this house? On a trailer park? You couldn't buy tiny piece of land for it, couldn't you?

>>2967789
>>2967792
>>2967807
my plan has been to build one of these big barndemeniums with a 3" sewer stub up and some water line, electrical. then within the metal frame build a slightly inulated house that's lifted a 4' or so to make it easy to run plumbing and whatever utilities around it
don't have to invest in a roof, insulation of course would be far more moderate
can fit multiple stories in the 4cars i've immagined using.

>>2954235
Shipping container homes aren't viable. Good quality used containers are now expensive because people use them in construction, they're narrow and become narrower with the needed insulation and places to run pipes and cables, when you connect two side by side you cut out the side and lose a load of structural integrity so have to spend money re-enforcing it. By that time you're spending a fortune and other methods will be much cheaper.

Caravans/trailers don't last. At the 10 year mark it'll have damp issues, all the furniture will be falling apart and the resale value will be 0.

The solution to cheap acceptable homes are:

Prefabs/SIPs . Bunch of pre-insulated panels put together in a factory that just need joining up and utilities. They can last up to 25 years and be repairable. If you ever watch the series Grand Designs, the only houses that don't go triple over budget and have the happily married couple living in a caravan for 5 years, having 3 kids then divorcing by the time it's finished are the pre-fabs.

"Novel building materials". Hay insulation, hempcrete, compressed earth, ICF (concrete filled moulds with polystyrene both sides for insulation). Generally building methods that are high on low skilled manual labour costs, low on building material costs but with unknown long term issues. Getting mortgages for these can be a problem and you'll often end up with unusual houses but they're usually good value.

Taking on derelict houses. If you're good at all forms of DIY, it's easily the cheapest. Be warned houses stay derelict for a reason and it's usually because it's a shitty area or it's a "historical" house and to do anything you have to consult a specialist who is the only person in the country who knows how replace a window using 1820s methods.

>>2960394
I suspect some of those are just banks doing "we'll accept anything" starting prices for mortgage repossessions.

>>2968067
>they're narrow and become narrower with the needed insulation and places to run pipes and cables
Why not to put cables outside, then insulation, then siding?

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You get what you pay for.
Which is why (You), OP, must define 'housing'.
Else the next guy can always come up. with something cheaper which is also a little bit further removed from 'housing'.

>>2968080
You have to frame the inside because you can't legally live in a fucking shipping container without reinforcing

>>2968080
There are a whole list of reasons that's a bad idea. I'll settle for just saying that there's a reason houses almost always make all this stuff hard to access from the outside and easy to access from the inside.

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>>2968090
Ok, access is a good reason, however insulation is always the outside level.

But in hot climate you can build your communications outside, as they do it in Spain.

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>>2968082
Why the hell they need reinforcing? Especially that in the average manufactured home walls could be broken with few kicks.

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>>2964595
looks like the dymaxion house

>>2967418
good thing my camper identifies as a boat

>>2967884
Yeah you could buy an acre

>>2967269
try to get a loan on a house lot in town without a plan and proven funding to build a house. You will be SHIT out of luck. Idk where all these fantasies of easy loans comes from. Inb4 you respond like the people further up in this thread that say shit like "BRO you just gotta put 60% down" if you put 60% down its not even a loan at that point.

>>2954235
The cheapest form of housing is a house so fucked you can't get a mortgage, but not fucked enough that you can't get utilities. Unfortunately, you need all the cash to buy one.

>>2954235
i bought my house for 50k €, cheap for me im debt free and never will have to worry about housing cost again. this is norway, cabins and cottages go for as low as 15 to 20k here. you can live in one lf you want..

>>2968099
The second you start cutting out windows doorways and utility access, the structural integrity goes to shit. You've got to add insulation and a roof plus it has to take the weight of snow/filled drains. Without reinforcing the weight will be spread evenly across the top putting load on the weaker sides, not just on the strong corners.

If i wanted to build a small structure for work without adding onto my house, why shouldn't I permanently anchor down a yurt?

>>2954235
18-20' gutted camper, and you want it gutted because that's half the fucking work done already and they all need the work to fix the rotting ceilings. then buy you a 98-04 expedition, 1 ton transmission and the reliable 2v 5.4 in all configurations and trims not just some, and 16" wheels for LT tires. Should cost you no more than $3k. Shovel for pissing and shitting, weed sprayer full of distilled water with a hole in the floor is your shower, and fucking move before the rangers ask you to

>>2954235
>What is THE cheapest form of housing?
sleeping in a dumpster.

>>2967829
You clearly dont build well insulated shells. You also probably only work to code requirements, not build-to-last and best practices. Otherwise your shells would cost 3-5x what you're delivering.

I want my home to be generational. I want any contractor whos called in to help my hapless progeny to whistle and say "god damn that's a well build house, it's overbuilt. You should take good care of it because you cant buy things that well made anymore."

If you're using thick ass rock-wool instead of pink fiberglass, and exterior insulation barrier, rain screen, high quality cedmentboard siding, high R value windows etc you're going to spend the majority of the money on something that will pay dividends in the future in unmatched comfort, quiet and low energy requirements.

>>2968613
Yurts smell like shit

>>2967254
I've considered doing something like this but I'd bet the parking situation would be complete ass if there's 1 to 2 adults or child per room and they have the adults have their own car for commuting. Also the bathroom situation would be crazy. At the very least 3 bathrooms.

And how much is he charging? Like 600 a room for the month? I see people trying to rent out rooms in their apartment/home on Craigslist for like 1k but at that point why bother sharing with someone instead of just renting your own apartment?

>>2967265
>If a determined methoid figured out I'm gone two weeks at a time trucking, they could just angle grinder in anyway, but a lot of tim
I read a book published by the paladin press one time and a section of it went over this topic. I think it was called "Living well on very little".

The author talked about rich people who owned second vacation homes on large plots of land far away from civilization/services. They'd often get broken into because bums would stake out the houses, with little to no security and would just ransack the homes whenever they see fit, also breaking and burning belongings in the process just as a big 'fuck you' to whoever owned the place.

The only realistic solution the old money guys could come up with is hiring a house sitter to take care of the homes while they were gone. This book was written in 80s or 90s so no modern ring cameras or anything, maybe an alarm system at best, but useless when there's nobody around to hear it.

The anecdote's were basically a heads-up warning for anyone considering buying second properties with structures in secluded areas that they weren't going to be at that often.

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>>2968929
>>2967265
I've often thought about what modern deterrents would work that aren't outright illegal or as expensive as a house sitter for keeping your stuff safe in the middle of nowhere there are. I've had a neighbor get his house broken into in 2013 when they went to a different state during the holidays. My family was gone too, but for whatever reason they left my home alone for the most part, except for a pair of my mothers shoes she'd left to dry out the day before on the porch. They ended up with a ton of my neighbors jewelry though, so I'm well aware of the nuisance it can be getting your personal property messed with is.

Best I can think of is somehow rigging a motion detector to instead of turning on a light, would be to automatically have an mp3 connected to loudspeakers with sound effects of pitbulls or another type of aggressive dog breed barking. I deliver packages and whenever I hear an aggressive loud dog bark emanating from the residence im leaving a package for, I immediately try to find an escape route over a fence or a climbable car for safety.

It's similar to leaving the radio or tv on loud enough to hear from the outside, only there's an actual threat that may or may not be there as far as an intruder is concerned. Adding a "beware of dogs sign" At the spot where it detects motion could help as well I think.

I'd want to try this but I don't have the technical knowhow.

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>>2967829
>I've had clients who spent more money on their kitchen and bathrooms than on the rest of the house combined.
Were these clients of the boomer variety? They love to do shit like that, constantly.

>>2968316
>this is norway, cabins and cottages go for as low as 15 to 20k here. you can live in one lf you want..
Yeah but you have to pay 15 euro for a bottole of beer and 50 euro for a gallon of gas.

>>2969073
>50 euros for the gallon of gas
>In Norway
Not even that anon, but this must be one of the most ignorant statements I've read in a good while.

>>2968924
>1k but at that point why bother sharing with someone instead of just renting your own apartment?
because your own apartment is 2k/mo
it's a good strat but i'd unironically pay 1k/mo to not have roomates, especially a landlord roomated with ultimate authority
but plenty of people will

>>2969112
>969112>>2969073
please sell me on moving to norway. i'll fucking do it.
>3rd gen american mutt, itallian american mutt wife
>tradespeople both, just want farm land and cottage to raise our kids and not deal with bullshit
current scoping rural american states but it's fucking abysmal

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>>2962526
Here's a barrel fit for -50°C.

>>2969122
You can have all the fermented fish you could ever eat!

i hate my fucking grandpa so much
i could have so much money rn like so goddamn fucking much instead i'm about to buy some land in the middle of nowhere and probably still just live in my car I just need an address

Depends on the market. Shitty answer but it's true.

I can buy a camper van for 10k, park it in a field, build 2k worth of outbuilding live there for 5 years. Job done. The cost over time is actually lower, that's why hillbillies do it. RVs are bought at huge expense because they're mobile, but at the point the vehicle is a liability it just becomes a caravan that's very, very hard to move. A liability. So you you buy one and tow it for peanuts and there's typically nothing wrong with them structurally. Just a distasteful paint job and dated interior furnishings.

Demountables are altogether better, designed for resale, they hold their value. But this just sees the commercial demand for them inflated, units held as rental assets and unused units not released to the market in order to inflate their rental cost.

The "tiny home" isn't really a thing, either it's an over built demountable, or a vbed portable, or it's a caravan which isn't road legal. Possibly the worst value of all, because they devalue to nothing, are worse value second hand then new, are often poorly built one-offs.

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Back in the 80s it was popular to buy a kit condo, and that's the peak model.

Arrives flat pack, bolt together on site. Built for owner occupants, not really designed to be moved, but can be disassembled rather then demolished, or moved short distances by hire crane.
You build one to escape the rental market, live in it while working for a proper house, keep it as a getaway or for the grandkids, or some random artist or grandma.

There were even clubs who built them and communities built exclusively out of them. Many ended up as caravan parks decades later, which is why they have a poor reputation.
Actually, they were fucking great, it's just that people stopped building new ones, and increasingly poorer and poorer people bought up the dilapidated ones.

But the part that's often not considered is the massive city planning headache sub prime builds normally cause, leaving whole city quarters falling apart and unserviceable. The prefab slum, decades after being built, was just bulldozed in a single day to make room for government flats. Infinitely preferable to cement shits, heritage slums.

>>2970609
When these were built they cost 1200 pounds, which i believe meant a man and a woman (often engaged to be married) could save enough to buy one in only two years. But typically they were bought with dowry money, generational savings. Grandma would leave every grandchild enough to buy one, because three family home was worth 20 times a prefab

That meant in the period following ww2, the rental market totally collapsed. Everyone was building, there was space to build, wages were greater then inflation (then, deflation). That was the 50's, the decade of first home ownership.

And these prefabs were designed to last a minimum of ten years, the time that family would need to save up to build a prime property, which they did, which was how England was rebuilt after the blitz.

And in England, Germany, counties they adopted this model, these building became weekend garden plots, many simply given to the war wounded and impoverished people.
And many still exist today, having survived 30, 40 years. Sub prime but again, leaving the land easily bulldozed for those prime developments which followed.

America's housing crisis could be solved in only 5 years by zoning land for ten year prefab development, 60k builds (including utilities), moving young workers into them to support rust belt factory workers, with a 15 year redevelopment overlay. At the 5 year mark prefab building would cease and they would be rezoned for ordinary residential development. The government would simply have to capture the rezoning windfall to prevent corporate takeover of the sub prime land.

>>2970613
>The government
Oh, is that all? Just have "The government" fix it?

The Federal government doesn't have any standing to do any of this. The states, of which there are 50, only have partial standing. You have to take this to at least a county level. Delaware has 3 counties. Texas has 254. There are 3,143 counties in the US. Or an average of 62 per state. Then you have to look at the city level. They can have rules about minimum lot sizes, minimum housing sizes, buildings matching the 'character' of the city, meeting certain codes for fire, wind, earthquake, what have you. In my area all residential buildings are required to have fire sprinklers, for example. Might as well ask all the religions of the world to just agree on who is right.

>>2954235
Pretty much you have to play the real estate game because you're in it whether you want to be or not. A couple of clever ways, there are probably more:

- Buy a duplex or multi-family home as an investment and live in one of the units. I think others have already made this argument more or less

- Buy the smallest decent house in the best neighborhood you can afford, because you pay for location and your neighbors, and that's going to make the biggest difference in how much your house appreciates

Basically look at your housing as the one investment or at least store of value that you can take out a long-term loan on at rates that are lower than investment returns.

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>>2954235
Everyone here is fuckin retarded. Cardboard box, surprised nobody said it.

They're built to freight standards so they're a little more solid than the average american new construction house.
Throw a tarp over if you want waterproofing. Need more room? Add more boxes. Want portability? Fold it up or live in similarly priced shelter halves. Want a cozy sleep? Get some air bubble tube and use it as a bed roll. Electricity? Use batteries or solar. Need heating? Run crysis on your mum's old netbook. Refrigeration? Go to the gas station and get ice from the soda fountain.
Get on my level.

cobb or polystyrene has to be

https://youtu.be/CWuHQOvNRDw?si=1sC5WboA7ZJrzUbo

https://youtu.be/e4VvvwtvNCQ?si=YR3pU_LIr8cehCGX

>>2970623
Shh. Don't ruin the Gosplan wanna-be's wet dream of a five year plan with things like reality.

>>2958664
My dude, you make it sound like RV stuff is made to be used full time

I'd love to see a picture of one of your lovely setups, with RV windows and doors

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>>2970747
I liked the Dymaxion Map.

>>2970757
My place has no insulation in the walls and a limited amount in the attic. Putting insulation in the walls would have required ripping off the 75 year old wooden siding and tar paper and replacing it with something modern to limit water ingress. Without that the insulation would be fucked the first hard rain we got. I worked the numbers and I could either do that *OR* I could install solar panels and replace the 20 year old HVAC with an all electric heat pump. Guess what!? You don't care about insulation when running your HVAC is free! The house still breathes, I've got zero mold, and yet I'm toasty in the winter and chilling in the summer.

>>2970724
Man, every time I look at different kinds of construction I get excited.
Only to realize I have no land, and land to build on is impossible to find in my country or very expensive.
Maybe I need to just save up and move to a different place.

>>2970769
Netherlands.
I'll just keep an eye open for opportunities and look for other people with creative solutions. But it's really tempting to just go, fuck it, and break the law by living somewhere that is not allowed. It's just that the housing crisis is taking it's toll on me.

Renting is on the menu but honestly, I've been on a waiting list for social housing for almost 10 years and I'm not excited about it.

>>2970757
>>2970769
>Dymaxion poster banned
WTF happened here?

>>2961798
Overpriced and/or substandard building.
Also, I roar with laughter every time I see someone with no experience say
>"All you have to Do..."
...and then take 3 months to put one up.
You'll also pay a PREMIUM for these "All you have to do" kits.
LOL.
>>2964596
I'm calling BULLSHIT on this one.
It's price tag is surely from tax rebates and possibly grant monies, just the fact that it has a POWERWALL, which is $9,480 AFTER tax credits of ~$4k.
https://www.pepsolar.com/blog/how-much-does-the-tesla-powerwall-cost-in-2025/
that doesn't even take into account that it's proprietary,(WILL VOID warranty if you try to fix or service yourself,) AND after 6-7 years at BEST, you'll have to replace the battery; READ: WHOLE UNIT.
All this for "power" enough to
>Run Lights, fridge, Wi-Fi, and a few small appliances
and
>Estimated runtime: 12–24 hours (depending on usage)
...and that's assuming you're living in Arizona or New Mexico where the sun shines all the time. Good luck with that AC.
This is just fanboi VAPORWARE
or as Forbes put it:
>A May 2015 article in Forbes magazine calculated that using a Tesla Powerwall 1 model combined with solar panels in a home would cost 30 cents/kWh for electricity if a home remains connected to the grid (the article acknowledges that the Tesla battery could make economic sense in applications that are entirely off-grid). US consumers got electricity from the power grid for 12.5 cents/kWh on average. The article concludes, as its title indicates, that Tesla's Powerwall "is just another toy for rich green people."

No thanks.
There are much better ways.
The anon with the RV idea hits closest to the mark, but truth be told, He got lucky with the whole FREE RV thing. you'll still only pay out anywhere from $3-7k for one with actual working parts that aren't trashed or spent,(The AC just went in mine last summer, those things are OVENS even with them if you don't build a shelter for them.

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>>2968119
I love Bucky Fuller and his Ideas, his redemption arc should give hope to any anon with a 1+SD IQ, but dammit to hell if NONE of his shit is comfortable for humans.
>Dymaxion car- SUCKED, 3 wheels were actually a big problem instead of the stability he thought it would have
>Dymaxion Shower-Great if you need to pressurewash radioactive dust off you I guess, pressure washer is MORE comfortable
>Geodesic dome-Lived in one over the winter with 2 gals. Pros: 1 small woodstove kept the whole thing toasty enough to have plenty of nudity; CONS: walls suck for storage, sounds travel absurdly, and the actual usable space has to collect in the center "ring" but still allow flow for the convection of heat to circulate.
LOTS of wasted space.
>Dymaxion house: Probably his most human friendly thing, except for the shower, lel! Still, it's just a hybrid of a yurt that fucked a Airstream trailer, or maybe the other way around.
Still, I love the potentials of tensegrity, but this can be used for things like the lotus belle style tent at a MUCH lower cost.

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>>2967930
If you go that route, be smart and plan to put pex based radiant heating in the slab with the endpoints accessible from the inside AND OUTSIDE. That way you can have multi-source heating sources, woodfire, solar, gas manifold, or whatever comes down the pike next.
you don't have to break the bank with the pex, and you also can wait until you really want to spend out on it, since it will already be there. Just make sure you allow for plumbing voids for other use as well. a simple setup where 2, 25' runs of 6" 100 PSI Gasketed PVC Irrigation Pipe that runs from a "cutout" box or 2 UNDER the slab for future plumbing,(one each for service risers IN, and waste outflow,) will cost less than $150 and save you a boatload of trouble. that is, of course, if you aren't just going to plan for the bathroom/kitchen plumbing in the first place. this is only for when you plan to build the interior more slowly, over time, and can allow for more flexibility.

Just a quick question to ALL anons here:
If there was a way to hold membership in multiple, large acreage locations that had pads like this,(pre-piped and wired for both metered and solar,) ready to go for multiple non-perm housing configurations, that allowed members to move to potentially 10 or even 20 different locations, all of which had a minimum of 1/2 acre of PRIVATE when occupied "Lots". Assuming that this could use a PMA structure, similar to the RTTL's but WITHOUT the stupid notoriety,(A massive target on their backsides) could this be a viable model.
Sure, it would have to be outside corporation limits, but the possibilities of both seasonal living AND of flexibility in job markets,(These would be sort of like "Bedroom communities" with commute times of under an hour,) for those with van living, tiny homes, yurts, zomes, etc.

If the cost of this was equivalent to a $600/month rental apartment,(a UNICORN these days plus utilities/internet/firewoodservice/etc. would it be worth it to you?

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>>2968067
>>The solution to cheap acceptable homes are:
>
>Prefabs/SIPs
HOLY FUCK!!
this BETTER not be you Petey.
This is "All you have to do-ism" at it's finest
I've built with SIPS, 3 houses. ALL GARBAGE now. That's what you get for OSB and styrofoam cooler houses, you're also PROPER FUCKED if there's ever a fire.
ICF: I've built at least 8 ARXX bloxx homes when they were cutting edge.All McMansions, and those are rarely past the first story.
NOT CHEAP, prone to blowouts, and VERY fucky if that slump cone isn't almost perfect. You'll be dropping that vibrator down every void 3x or else.
>Taking on derelict houses.
Now I KNOW you don't have any building experience and are using an LLM or some bullshit.
BTW, I AM that specialist in repairing 1900s windows. Have you even ever replaced a sash weight?
>1820s windows
? WHAT? you MUST be joking.
The real issue is having to tear out all the knob and tube or even BARE wire standoff wiring. Secondary is replacing the water lines that have often been ripped out for the copper, tertiary is the plaster and lathe.
This is why I fucking HATE fix 'n' Flippers.
they'll tear out all the plaster and lathe in a house and "install" drywall, and that whole fucking house, that has been breathing it's whole fucking life, has now been tyvec'd and sealed up tight on the say so of some retard that nods his head somberly when asked if really needs to be sealed up like an underwater camera, then the fucking walls all mold, the basement needs specialized ventilation for the radon and CO issues that never existed before, and the "Energy savings" expenditure game just keeps going round and round.
Flipper don't care... He's down the road and feelin' fine, cause the GREENMAN said "ya' GOTTA have that product! EPA said it's GOOD for ya!"

>>2970760
>>>2970754
>KEK!
>Oddly easier to fold than the old AAA roadmaps.
>
>It's funny.
>This thread is so slow.
>I'm in the midst of looking for 3-10 acres in the Michigan sticks, middle of the mitten. I'm gonna drive up my RV then build my storage space for all my stuff, then build an A-frame.
>It's looking like about 13k-20k for the land, and ~12k-14k for the A-Frame materials.
>Just gotta make sure I have a well, and access to Electricity and Intarweebs.
>Going to build a model first just to be able to play around with floor plan and foundations, but I did look into kit homes for 10k. The issue is it's ONLY for the frame and exterior finish + roof.
>As another anon already said, bathroom and kitchens can take up a pretty fair chunk if you are just buying "systems" or prefabs from the box store.
>While I'm craftier than that, other anons going that route really should look into wholesalers and places like Habitat for humanity's Re-Store.
>you can easily save thousands, if you know what costs are can find the good deals.
>Also, best advice I can give ANYBODY trying to outfit any first home: Buy the oldest quality appliances you can get from a trustworthy used appliance store.
>The current business model for washer/dryers, stoves and refrigerators is High tech, High dollar, but only last for 2-3 years before the first major repair. when the second one happens, the technician will tell you to just buy a new one, since the cost of repair and of the "broken part" will usually be more than the cost of a new one. That was told to me by an industry insider 7 years ago, and It's true from what I've seen.
>A $1501980s GE washer or dryer will outlast a new HE, high tech $2200 one with the replacement of a $6 drive belt or a $20 water pump 95% of the time.

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>>>2970759
>Funny that huh?
>the pics I'm posting are a 1920s refurb. BEAUTIFULLY built, the flow was perfect. if it still had had the woodstove/coal furnace in the basement,(It did have a capped thimble,) that place would have been as healthy as it was cozy.
>I made damn sure to repair the plaster instead if just tear it out.
>That house broke me though.
>Even though the rehab was all me, and I 5x'd it's "value" I'll never do that again...At least not in a DIVERSE area.

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>>2970623
>>2970728
>a "Snark"ovom decree
But guys! just think, there could be community gardens there where we could teach the Wheat to be strong just like the fox barley!

I...I think...I think it could work!

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>>2954235

>>2970613
you're right
>>2970623
>>2970728
>>2970790
the government can actually do things. it just chooses not to do anything provocative and productive.
it absolutely could. the industrial revolution was a consequence of federal instigation for war time planning
every other instance usually made things worse
but pretending they 'just can't' is retarded

>>2961897
>Starting cost is at least 80k

Quarter to a third of that, if OP's handy with handy friends and assembles himself. Comparable cabins. Amish ones are ace.

>>2961897
might actually be in the market for one of these, depends on how good soil is where I plan on using it and which option makes more sense though

>>2960394
Detroit is filled with niggers. Thats why its 1k

>>2954235
>>2954248
Specifically the reason the tiny trailer is cheaper is because it avoids the most taxes.
A lot of states won’t do property taxes on a trailer, it doesn’t have to be up to code, you don’t have to pay the licensed contractor mafia and the permit mafia.
At least 60% of the cost of a building is licenses, taxes, fees, schemes, unions, codes, and other assorted scams.
Kill all that stuff and let Darwin sort it out.

>>2954248
I’m shopping for a normal house right now and mobile shitboxes are the bane of my existence because realtors do a bunch of scumbag stuff like not ticking the manufactured box in the MLS and making the first few images of extreme close ups so you have to swipe before you realize it’s not a real house. They’re like the fat women of the housing market.

>>2956308
If you were the right age and temperament during the Great Recession, it was straight up free to live in a mini mansion with a weekly groundskeeper for about five years. Good times.

>>2959730
I did the second one and then the white devil came and now I pay six thousand dollars in property taxes a year

>>2960394
I watched some guy online that flips houses here for a living and apparently one of the things that’s just somehow a normal part of life there, is that every year the city tears down a few hundred houses and whether it’s yours is basically up to whether you fix it up fast enough.

>>2964503
Cost to you can only amortize out until you die.

>>2964512
>muh code
As long as you don’t do drugs in it or make noise 99.99999% of the time nobody will ever care.

>>2964595
>>2964596
This is just a marketing toy. You can’t buy one.
Also I wouldn’t get inside anything with that logo on it. Not burning to death.

>>2967087
I knew someone that bought a house with their friends their freshman year of college. It was a giant house split so many ways that the down payment was doable. When they were all graduated they sold it and wound up netting like 10-20k each.

>>2967789
Look up the different types of steel, 304 311 etc.
For any company ask what grade of steel. If there isn’t an answer with a grade number in the first few sentences in email or within 30 seconds on a call, don’t use them.
They’re as easy as putting up a blanket fort. You can’t live in them because there’s no insulation and no studs for insulation.
They also are eventually going to rust and look gross.

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>>2970919
The State is a memetic parasite, it is literally incapable of productive action. It is also, being a parasite, the source of 99% of the worlds ills.

>>2971639
Here it's retirement village units. You specifically choose all the categories that are not retirement unit and your results are still clogged to shit with them.

>>2971659
>Propaganda created to convince people that they should just give everything away to the oligarchs

>>2971649
I've heard of people doing that too. nowadays 10-20k profit probably won't happen as house prices seem to be cooling off/plateauing but it'll still probably be better than an apartment. I definitely would've done this in college if I'd had friends ;_:

>>2971661
It’s actually crazy to me that age discrimination is illegal in some places yet it always has carveouts to make this legal. Why can’t I just identify as an old man that’s seen enough shit and go live in sunset hills.

>>2954248
I'd agree that small, prefab homes are probably your best bet.
Mobile homes and shipping container conversions have terrible insulation and you'll be paying out the nose to heat and cool the inside.

>>2954235
The land is just as expensive as the house honestly.
The further away from the city you go, the cheaper the land you can find.
>>2954248
Like this anon said. A small prefab house is probably your best bet. They're relatively cheap, easy to set up, and are decently insulated compared to mobile homes and converted shipping containers.
The main issue is getting utilities hooked up.

Does anyone know of any websites that have architechtural plan resources? I want to build a cabin or even geodesic dome on my property, but all the resources I can find are $500 priced glamping airbnb stuff.

>>2954235
Buying a used RV.

>>2954235
Caves.

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>>2971819
>Cabin
Where I'm at, single family homes don't even need plans. If you use standard construction techniques and it is single story it is basically guaranteed to not fall over if it is up to code.

>Geodesic dome
Are you fucking for real? You want to build a dome and you didn't even google plans for the fucking man's house? A bigass .tif is available of this if you need hire resolution.

>>2970609
There are absolutely SIP based kit houses you can buy and they're good quality and cheap.

The problem is land, planning permission and affordable labour. You literally can't build these yourself, you will need expensive certified workers at some point, even if you make a completely gas free home.

>>2970786
A SIPP house will last at least as long as a timber frames house and are more fireproof. Manage prevent damp and they'll last longer than you will.

1800s houses are really common here. Tiny terraces with fireplaces in every room and either terrible insulation or massive damp problems.

>>2971819
Domes are dogshut for cost over square foot because nothing you can buy at the store is sized to make a dome.

You.can go buy an 8' long 2x4 and an 8' long piece of OSB to shestyh it in.


You can't buy a pentagon or triangle. So you.need to buy a sheet of plywood and cut a triangle out

>>2973041
>>2973029
Thanks, I live in the UK and I'm a DIYlet, I literally just cant afford to buy a house so I bought land and am going to watch some carpentry youtube videos LOL
desu I was thinking of a dome just because aside from looking cool, they seem sturdy and straightforward to build

>>2970684
>Cardboard box
interesting option. some youtuber made a bunch of stuff from cardboard and used a DIY coating to make it waterproof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45JhacvmXV8
guy also found a cheap and easy way to make aircrete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4_GxPHwqkA
and many other things for passive cooling/heating

>Electricity? Use batteries or solar.
you could use solar panels as roofing too, or at least to cover some cheap roofing.

>>2973093
Domes are cool but they are difficult to build with standard materials and require a lot of cutting things to size. They produce a bunch of waste if you aren't using a kit so either way they are an expensive option for the amount of space you get. They are very strong though.

If you want to DIY it you need to see what is the preferred building method for your area. I don't know about the UK but in the USA it is generally what is called stick or platform framing with wood. Wood is the cheapest option here, is readily available, easy to work with, requires minimal tools, and very little skill. As I mentioned, it is so common they don't even require plans for smaller buildings. That is not true everywhere. Especially if weather is taken into account.

>>2973093
>poor English man
Theres always cut sod or wattle and daub

Stack up some bricks

>>2954235
shipping containers aren't cheap, easy, or particularly good at house. Only fuck around with one if you hate free time and money and don't mind living in a shithole

>>2958664
If you are so poor that stripping RVs makes sense, I don't see how you are paying for, say, gas bottles. Also, "stripping" an RV is an undoable horrible mess unless you have access to 24/7 electricity for power tools. You are not pulling out electric cables and water pipes like in a regular house. The water installation is customized to a tiny RV, with 90 degree joints everywhere there was a turn in the RV and it's unusable anywhere else unless you redo it joining 3/4 meter straight sections. You are lying. The water pressure is tiny and unless you connect to a water source, are you hauling water every three days? the water tank in an RV is not drinkable, so you need to haul both drinkable and toilet water. Not doable unless you have a car. Living in there full time needs energy full time too, at least for 12 V lighting, and cooking needs gas unless you are surviving on cold, canned food. None of this makes any sense unless you are on benefits and foraging for wood to burn in the winter. Which is also unsuitable by the way unless you can keep the wood inside and out of the snow, which you don't have room for in a tiny house.

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>>2954310
Show me a 400sqft yurt for less than $10,000 they are absolutely judaified.
The only dwelling approved structures worth their money are shed kits you have to build yourself, and even then, at $6000 shekels, you could build a cabin out of lgs for cheaper.
The goyim are as greedy and pathetic as us Jews now.
Miserly fucking wretches, lol.

>>2964447
ok gayreek

>>2968081
where is he now

>>2970623
My point is that these are the peak model and proven viable over 50, 80 years. Build one yourself, subdivide a block and build 4, become a Hick housing developer.

It's a plan build so you get a quote on all the building materials at once, probably for a large hardware store. These were all built with modern materials at the time, so i suspect what they're selling on the shelf today is equal or better.

By building something normal, you get something cheap. No vehicle beds, no wheels, no hippie domes, not portable, just a straight forward two by four with cladding.

Also the plans are free, and once you've got the plan you can bargain over materials. Many kit homes you're paying thousands for the plan, then sort of forced to buy building materials they're just marking up.