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>>18680236

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Greetings watch enthusiasts, have a nice day!

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Good day, Gentlemen.
I have my Trust Chronométre De La Renaissance in the pocket today.

>>18680238
Where's the lie though?

>>18680302
>t. Posted from my iPod phone using Tapatalk.

>>18680311
What does this mean?

>>18680238
You’ve posted this many times already. What exactly is the point you’re trying to make? That Rolex is somehow bad because some boomer posted some boomer shit on a boomer website? I need a little more context.

>want Aqua Terra or Datejust to serve as an everyday "gada" watch
>Would be my most expensive watch so would probably baby it or hardly wear it, every ding would sting
>Already have a dress watch so that purpose doesn't work either
anyone else in a similar situation? Starting to think buying multiple "fun/personality" watches actually makes more sense

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>>18680329
I don't believe in expensive watches. I have a $450 watch and I'm super afraid of ding sting so I don't wear it all that much. I have multiple fun watches and loads of straps. Not afraid to wear any of them. In fact, it's way more fun than just having one watch. What kind of hobby is that? Spend over $100 and it's probably going to be a great watch. And you could have 50 for the price of a starter Rolex.
Plenty of people don't believe in that. But that's the difference between "enthusiasts" and collectors. The people advocating for saving and waiting and finally investing in some luxury watch, well, they don't have many watches. MAYBE a handful. They follow the news, admire the macro videos and have a huge list of their "grails". Five figure watches. But you can only experience so much joy that way. Sure, you get a different kind of joy with the one super expensive watch. "I earned this. This projects success." All that shit. But it's still just one watch. And you see how that goes around here. Those guys either post that one watch with their coffee or they post tons of snobby comments with no pics because they don't want to overpost their one fancy watch.

Buying multiple fun watches makes more sense for me. Others believe in having one really expensive and well-respected by certain communities watch.
The choice is yours. You really have the money to do both if you're considering a Rolex though. And there are people who do. And they report wearing the Rolex far less than the fun ones for the reasons you stated.

>>18680329
I’m in a similar situation, though not exactly the same.
I simply don’t wear sports watches anymore and haven’t really for years. Usually I’m wearing a Garmin. When I wear a watch, it’s likely to be a dress watch. Those are the watches I like best anyway. So my collection has gradually evolved to basically be nothing but dress watches.

(As an added bonus, because dress watches are unpopular, their prices are much lower for higher quality pieces.)

But yeah, buy/wear the watches that fit your lifestyle instead of putting together a box-checking collection that someone else told you that you “need”.

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Where's the male nurse who wanted the Resident Evil watch so bad he was gonna pay $4K for it?

He could get these DragonballZ Swatches instead. I love it when a manchild spends his hard earned cash on what ten-year-old him would get.

>>18680333
it's really just hard to justify it.
I think if i was looking at one watch to wear for 20 years or more it would make sense and would be an easy/quick decision, but the fact I could buy 3-7 other watches i'm very interested in (depending on which i choose) for the same price makes it feel not worth it (at least at the moment).
I also dont believe the rolex or at would halt my interests for other watches, or at least not at the moment. Yes some people could buy 3 rolexes and look at it the same as me buying 3 longines or Oris/Breitling/Tag etc so i'm not hating but now that I can comfortably buy one and not look back im already having second thoughts

>>18680346
The other way to look at it is to realize that watches are not likely to be a lifelong passion. Eventually you’ll get tired of it and move onto something else. You’ll have one watch that you thrown every day without thinking.
In that instance, would you not want something like a Rolex? Durable, accurate, timeless, and not so rare that they can’t be serviced by nearly anyone.

Most of the Rolex owners I know don’t care about watches (that’s normal for a watch company the size of Rolex) and just wear their Datejust or whatever constantly. With a suit, with a t-shirt, on vacation, while golfing, etc.

>>18680350
in that instance it'd likely just be an explorer if im being honest

any watch box recommendations? is wood or leather outer material better? I just want something for 12 or so watches, because they are currently in a cardboard box and it looks stupid. budget $500 max if it's a good box

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>>18680333
why not multiple expensive watches? why limit yourself?
>>18680375
2 of my 3 are leather, the wood is easier to clean fwiw

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>>18680329
Why? What's the worst that could happen? You pretty much can't wear the value out of a Rolex or Omega. They offer 10 years of warranty for a reason, they are tried and tested ''tools'' that never (fully) lose their value. Check chrono24 for the cheapest used Datejust from 2010 or later; even the boring and scratched up ones are always upwards of 5-6k.
And so what if it's scratched up a bit? Do you need a pristine watch for your instagram account? Anything can be polished if it's upsetting you that much.
You can only really wear one watch at a time so why bother with a drawer full of colorful watches that you still end up never wearing?

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>>18680346
Maybe think about it this way:
If you can only comfortably afford one nice watch you might as well make it a Rolex. As soon as you get bored of it you go back to your AD and trade it in/up for the next one or sell it privately for the same money that you bought it for.
For Omega the second hand market is a bit softer so ymmv.

Is kofe good for you?

>>18680391
>>18680393
What youre both saying does make sense, though would my interest or desire for other watches diminish if i get the "grail" AT or datejust?
There's still other watches i'm very interested in (oris cotton candy for vacation, carrera astronomer, glasshute original sixties chronos, etc) as well as some funky and unique microbrands with cool dials.
I guess the decision comes down to right now would i prefer one watch or a few. Something to think about for a while before making the impulsive decision

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>>18680425
NTA but
>would my interest or desire for other watches diminish if i get the "grail" ?
once i got my grail pieces, i stopped caring about the stepping-stone pieces that i told myself i'd get later. i knew i'd never wear them, and i don't want box queens. now my collection is G-shocks, Seikos and swiss masterpieces, nothing in between.
>oris cotton candy for vacation, carrera astronomer, glasshute original sixties chronos, etc
damn dude those are some exotic pieces, didn't know we had a gentleman in this thread

>>18680314
It's not even just boomer shit, it's literally true and it's the exact reason Rolex only very recently started bothering with movement finishing and exhibition case backs on very particular models. As nice as finishing and space age material and cutting edge engineering feats are, a movement really only has to do exactly one thing and that's run reliably. And rolex movements do that very well. As long as a movement is running correctly, under a solid case back you'd never know the difference between a rolex movement or an ETA movement. And solid case backs with nice brushed finishes are more comfortable against the skin anyway, so that's what they do.

>>18680441
>damn dude those are some exotic pieces, didn't know we had a gentleman in this thread
Can't tell if youre being sarcastic or not but either way they're just some pieces ive been eyeing for a bit that i feel i'd still want whether or not i bought the datejust or at

>>18680288
Is the dial enamel?

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The best speedy

>>18680329
>>18680333
I have 2 entry luxury watches (Rolex and IWC), one premium watch (Hamilton), and shitters i don't wear anymore (casio, seiko 5, festina).

I wear my three watches equally and i don't "baby" them because i don't intend to sell them ever.
But i did think about them A LOT before buying them, i had spreadsheets about every metric possible about those watches.

Buying 30 shitters, or "fun watches" as you say, makes ZERO sense for me, especially if they are quartzs (as you have to change the battery for each).
When i see those collections, it's junk to me. Most of the people doing this are addicted to the addrenaline of CONSOOMING.

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>>18680450
nah these are all off the beaten path and are legit gentlemen watches, never even heard of this glasshute chronos before. got me rethinking my IWC portugieser lust now....

>>18680350
>Rolex? Durable, accurate, timeless
it is none, the fuck

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>>18680333
bro, we get it, you're poor. and that's ok. but we don't need a wall of cope

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>>18680425
(both me btw)
Nobody can tell how you're gonna react to a nice watch. Many people lose interest in the 'hobby' for a few years because they've acquired their exit-watch and realize they don't need to look past their own Datejust.
Some others feels like they only kick started their obsession and aim at a Patek next.

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RAWR time.

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>>18680288
Post movement pls

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>>18680329
Just get a GS way cheaper and looks better

>>18680350
>watches are not likely to be a lifelong passion
get lost phoney

>>18680393
Sideshots of Omegas never not make me laugh

>>18680445
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzqh2kroYIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgorm0DgkBA
Poolex, not watchmakers but a watch corporation

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>>18680350
Yeah, because you definitely know a lot of Rolex owners. And of that community MOST of the ones you know don't care. They just wear it when they're golfing and such.

>>18680350
Are you not following? He said the doesn't want to ding it.

>>18680382
You're not even reading what you're replying to.

I don't want ANY fucking expensive watches. What's wrong with you? It's like you don't comprehend anything but your own brainwashed path. Or maybe it just doesn't fit with your roleplay character who posts the things you post. You must exude a constant attitude. And that attitude assumes that people are just like your character; that they can buy all the Rolexes they want, and they do want them. Because everyone aspires to Rolex ownership, right? They're well known as simply the best in horology.

Let's buy five, let's buy six. Let's buy a dozen and pretend they're doughnuts.

>>18680425
Obviously it's the same fucking Rolex fellator. Unbelievable. LOL

>>18680441
>swiss masterpieces

>>18680550
POORS

>>18680483
>gentleman

Wow, you're really up your own ass, aren't you?

>>18680554
tranny

>>18680494
And many think you're wasting lots of money.

>>18680532
ESL

>>18680556
What else u gonna spend your money on?

>>18680557
Omegoid

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>>18680553
I KNEW that word would be in the response. Because the world is really that simple to you. Anyone who isn't poor would want many Rolexes. Duh!

This is why you don't have real life friends. You can buy an "impressive" watch, but you can't buy people to hang around with you. You should come onto 4chan and lord it over everyone that you invested in overpriced watches. We're all so very envious of everything you are and your superior opinions.

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>>18680562
>I don't want ANY fucking expensive watches
cuz u can't afford them haha

>>18680382
>it's like this board isn't filled with gentlemen of vast wealth like me. so very odd. or these gentlemen are just limiting themselves. better let them know they can just have lots of luxury watches. it's really that easy

>NOOOOO DON'T SAVE UP TO BUY A GOOD WATCH SPEND YOUR PAYCHECK EVERY FORTNITE AND AMASS A BUNCH OF SHITTERS
>kys my man

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I don't buy expensive watches because they'll get dinged

>>18680550
Maybe just don't be poor?

>>18680569
Didn't buy crypto lmfao? Had shit parents who didn't love you? What was it ugly loser shit?

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>>18680565
You are purposely not paying attention, troll. Anyone posting that frog is not a classy watch enthusiast.
You can't afford them either. And if you could, you probably wouldn't waste ten grand on a fucking watch.
This board is filled with multiple 3rd world baiting shitposters and like one trust fund retard acting like a prick.
Obviously it's going to be assholes all around, but most of you just bitch about everything and strangely shill for watches you'll never even touch. I don't get it.
Like I said, I have a $400 watch and it makes me nervous to wear. That doesn't make me poor. My priorities are family and the future.

Putting all of your money into ONE watch seems foolhardy and boring. As a lover of watches I'd rather have many to enjoy. You can call them 'shitters' if you like. But I'm not worried about any of them like I'd be with a watch worth more than my car.

I am aware you don't even have watches, let alone the Rolexes you are childishly pushing. But I like getting my views out there anyway for people who are somehow "torn" between the one expensive watch path and the many inexpensive watches path.
I practice what I preach, unlike you and the incel frog brigade, cheerleading for watches you don't even have. Are you fighting on behalf of rich snobs in case you someday become one? I really wish I understood you, 'fren'.

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>>18680576
The projection is strong with this one.

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>>18680578
I can easily afford a 10k watch, 10k for a watch doesn't even get you shit. Putting all your money into one awesome watch will get u infinitely more enjoyment than a bunch of shitters. You fucking posted a bunch if plastic shit. Do you collect funk pops too? Who said anything about Rolex? I'd rather buy something else for the money. If I ding a watch I don't give a fuck because I'm not a snowflake faggot. You're not a "watch lover" you're a consumer looking for your next dopamine hit.

>>18680474
Agreed 100%. Buying a bunch of cheap shitters instead of a select few nice pieces to me is like going to McDonald's every day instead of having a nice meal at a decent restaurant once a week.
I just don't get it, quality > quantity. You can only wear one at a time.

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new silver arrow lads

>>18680533
How widespread and systemic could this problem actually be if there are only MAYBE a couple thousand people bitching about it out of the literal millions of watches they've sold with these movements?

>>18680597
New to you.

>>18680603
Yes

>>18680594
>I just don't get it, quality > quantity. You can only wear one at a time.
Because its about the dopamine addiction from buying shit, people like that would rather have mountains of garbage than a small amount of nice things. A lot of the women I've dated in the past were like that, they buy mountains of cheap mall clothes and perfumes, and have closets full of outfits they never wear, when they could have spent the same money on a wardrobe maybe 1/4 the size of high quality garments and maybe a couple nice quality perfumes instead of dozens of cheap ones.

>>18680597
decent

>>18680581
is this the 100 piece limited edition?

>>18680494
holy BASED
how's owning that watch like??

>>18680259
based solar chad

>>18680485
Lmao bro why are your wrists so skinny lmao you bought an expensive watch that's too big for you haha why would you do that lmao look so goofy nigga

>>18680558
Women? Lol wut r u, gey?

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>>18680581
lol, you and your tired, faggy opinions.

>one awesome watch will get u infinitely more enjoyment than a bunch of shitters
>u

Speak for 'uself', dumbass. Is that "Eszha Choprd" your one awesome watch? And you get a lot of enjoyment out of it? And that means I can't get enjoyment out of having a fuckton of watches?
You should go away and stop posting for a couple weeks again. It's been nice without your gay attempts at superiority.

Different strokes for different folks. Some people cannot understand that.

>>18680597
Why is it sideways? Is that how you intended us to see it?

>>18680576
>my parents gave me my money
Ick
>didnt buy crypto
Lol youre old too yikes

>>18680622
>>18680625
Troll

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why are poor people allowed to post in here? this poorfag is worse than the bittercel poster.

we get it dude, you think being poor is virtuous or honorable or whatever other cope you brainwash yourself with. your anger and jealousy is just projection of your weakness. here's a candle

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>>18680653
I'm just sick with envy over that watch. If only I weren't POOR I could afford the grandaddy of them all. A diver watch from "Tudor".

Anyone who loves watches obviously wants a $10K watch with numbered bezel for deepsea diving adventures. True "gentlemen" are groomed to want it.

So really, if you aren't wealthy or have generic "wealth tastes", someone should keep you from posting in these threads. Why are they allowed indeed?

Maybe because there wouldn't be anyone posting if you had to own a $10,000.00 watch to post. Fucking cunt. lol
Nice scented candle you have there. Very gentlemanly.

>>18680578
>a watch worth more than my car.
are you trolling yourself? I don't understand... are you really that destitute? I feel like reddit is more your speed bro. don't want every $15k watch posted in here to remind you of your yearly salary and trigger a school shooting or something

>>18680657
I wish I was you so bad. I have a shift key though.

>>18680656
>Anyone who loves watches obviously wants a $10K watch with numbered bezel for deepsea diving adventures.
I have other watches, that's my casual weekender that I just swapped the jubilee onto, much better than the oem bracelet

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idea: more pic posting, less poor posting

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>>18680659
A very fitting answer. I did want to know about the bracelet and when you wear that watch and what you think about your watches and the straps they come with. Please, share more of your enviable lifestyle with us. We long to be you. To have your vast wealth and carefree attitude about expensive watches. What other watches do you have? How much better are they than my lowly shitters? Can you please post them so I can covet them and feel so bad about my destitute situation where I can't even afford Rolexes and Tudors? Because I do feel bad. I was lying all along. I DO want those watches. I'm a lesser man for not having them. They mean something. They mean success and power and respect amongst your peers. And you worked very hard and earned it and I did not. And that means you are better.
Please post more, sir. I am really getting an education in horology, lifestyles, and the pecking order of men.

>>18680660
I'm so impressed. Do you have any more? Maybe some cars that are really fancy?

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>>18680656
>scented candle
that winter pine was pretty manly ngl but this one is kinda flowery imo

Basically there's really only one way to do the whole Watch Enthusiast thing. And that is to have the MOST EXPENSIVE WATCH you can possibly attain. And anything less than a few thousand dollars is not to be taken seriously and not to be depended upon. Probably can't even service them. Don't you want your great grandkids to inherit the heirloom? Can't do that with anything less than a Rolex or Tudor. Hell, wouldn't want to. Wouldn't want them to think grandpa was POOR.

>>18680663
MORE! Please post more watches that I'm supposed to recognize and wish I had.

If it's not Swiss it's shit.

>>18680660
Objectively, nice watches and box. Subjectively, pedestrian taste.

>>18680663
>ngl
>imo

>>18680667
All of that is subjective actually. "Nice" is not concrete. What you think is nice, I think is retarded. But that's just because I'm poor.

>>18680663
Awesome color. One of those watches I love to look at but could never pull off

>>18680670
Yes, tell the 'rich man' how great he is. That's helping.

just a reminder that casio wrist watches suck unless used as a desk clock
exception to this is only a158 with mesh or gshock 5000u with normal round case back and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-4hG-gH25s
anus not included because it's more expensive than actual watches (citizen/seiko/orient)

just so you know what to expect

>>18680671
This is a watch thread. I like the watch. A Black Bay 54 is a “nice” watch. A royal oak is a “nice” watch.
Don’t get mad at the “rich guy.” Being rich and having class are two different things.

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I don't understand the big collections. I have four watches and I only wear two of them. The newer two have completely replaced the older two.
Two watches bought in 2015.
Two watches bought in 2025.
I still really like my old watches, but they're just desk clocks now.

>>18680656
is 10k a lot to you loser? haha

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>>18680677
Totally reasonable. I have two watches that I wear, one for work, one for days off. I’m hoping to grow my collection to a few dozen and give them away when I die to loved ones and hopefully grandkids. Another reason to buy decent quality watches that will last with regular service

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>>18680678
Contrary to your shitposting, the older and wealthier you become, the more impactful spending 10k is. Eventually you (hopefully) have everything in your life stabilized: property, cars, income stream(s), furniture, entertainment, education funds, some nice watches, etc.
So spending 10k would be unusual because you already have everything.

>>18680681
Ok give me 10k then.

>>18680685
NTA, but I'll give you something worth more than just 10k.
Set up achievable goals and strive to meet them. Repeat for +5 years and you'll change your whole life.

>>18680692
Alright, I'll give you the same thing twice, now you owe me 10k.

>Set up achievable goals and strive to meet them. Repeat for +5 years and you'll change your whole life.
>Set up achievable goals and strive to meet them. Repeat for +5 years and you'll change your whole life.

Put it in a crypto wallet or however that stuff works and I'll make a temp mail to get it.

>>18680693
nta but this post alone shows that you're a lazy faggot who wants things just because

>>18680694
What do you mean, I gave you two valuable 10k+ items, surely that's worth at least 5k?

>>18680685
No, you're not my child.

>>18680681
my god I would get raped for a czapek antarctique flying diamonds.

>>18680653
>he thinks tudor is luxury

>>18680681
awful shitter bro

>>18680700
The movement is very nice too.

>>18680707
I am aware. paradoxically I find their quai des bergues design and functions more appealing for daily wear, but the movement of the antarctiques is just orgasmic.

>>18680576
How rich are you? Post your watches on your car, let us see these riches.
>you won't, because you can't

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People make this way more complicated than it should be. Just get a watch that you like and wear it. That’s it. Fuck what everyone else thinks about it.
Also, this is a watch thread, not a money thread. Post more watches.

>china martin :|
>china martin Geneve :O

>>18680678
Yes. I don't believe you if you claim $10,000 is not a lot to you. There's not a damn thing you could ever do to back that up. Even if you're worth 100 times that, it's foolish to say that's not real money.

Ever since that dude last week said he just posts knockoffs and no one even notices I don't believe any of you swaggering faggots claiming you're super rich and drop ten grand like it's nothing because to you it is. Not true. None of it.

>>18680710
Haha, you "follow" and show interest in obscure watches you'll never own.

>>18680730
I'll tell you more, I'm also interested in paintings neither you nor me will never own.
you don't need to buy something to appreciate it.
also the quai des bergues is set as my next purchase so it's not a matter for a remote future. you can find good models for under 20k. It's not that expensive.

domed hardlex >>>> flat sapphire

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My most worn watch
>t. wristlet

>>18680733
Depends entirely on the watch.

>>18680737
no it does not. we're talking purely glass here.

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>>18680738
That's retarded. You can't say a specific shape of a specific material is objectively better. I have plenty of watches I would not want domed fucking Seiko Hardlex on. In fact, I can't think of one where I'd prefer that. Domed acrylic suits some of my watches. Domed or flat sapphire is my choice for most though. The exception would be vintage watches. Usually I trust the watchmaker to do what's right. Unless that watchmaker is Seiko, and then I know the spec value for the price is fucking horseshit. I think everyone knows that.
Cute of you to have an aggressively confident contrarian opinion like that though.

>>18680741
my first watch was a domed seiko and it's the only watch I like and can wear without complaints. any later purchase (all flat) have been shit. that's beside the topic of flat being mirror like even with ar.

>Unless that watchmaker is Seiko, and then I know the spec value for the price is fucking horseshit. I think everyone knows that.
>sbth009
goes to show the popular opinion's quality

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>>18680474
1 or 2 shitters makes sense if you want something mechanical on your wrist when you’re lazing around the house or doing something where they could get damaged but collecting tons of them is just dumb of shitters makes sense if you want something mechanical on your wrist when you’re lazing around the house or doing something where they could get damaged but collecting tons of them is just dumb

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>>18680748
4205-0140, "lady diver" 33mm case

>>18680745
Very specific-to-you anecdote you have there. So many people out there with watches they can't even see because the wrong glass is on there.

>>18680747
Your example is a $200+ QUARTZ watch. That's the lowest price you can get a sapphire on, but for automatics they don't break out the sapphire until you spend over $500. Your sbth009 also has an absolute piece of shit folded link bracelet. Seiko fucking blows now that so many international factory retailers and microbrands are offering good parts standard and they still won't while constantly raising their prices.
It was fine when the Seiko 5s were $90-$120 and they had no competition. It's not okay when they're $150-$300 and getting blown out of the water by the Chinese using Seiko's own movements they reserve for more expensive watches.
You can maybe argue value in much more expensive Seikos where the rules are all different. Sub $500 Seikos are not worth what they're charging anymore though.

>>18680329
That just means you can't afford a datejust, even if you have the money to buy one.
If you have 100k in the bank you should buy a 20-30k car. You shouldnt drain your bank account and get a 100k car and you also shouldnt get 20 x 1k shitboxes. Buy a 2k Longines.

>>18680749
That redundant post is just dumb.

>>18680754
You should be a financial advisor, dude.

>>18680524
Surprised no one fell for this bait

>>18680752
>folded link bracelet.
no it's a normal bracelet which mogs your chinese shitters back to china
and the watch is $100

>>18680749
did you have a stroke writing this?

>>18680750
Beautiful, thank you

>>18680723
That looks fucking minty.

>>18680758
Link to this $100 Seiko with a better stock bracelet than any $50 Chinese shitter.

You'll probably show me some used or modded watch. Or something only available in Japan.

>>18680472
Just looked up this reference
>Better water reistance
>More interesting dial than the professional
>One of the cheapest on the used market
Why dont more people buy these? Are people just attached to le historical significance?

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>>18680758
>>18680762

Because this is what I found. They don't call it a *solid* steel bracelet. And they would if it were. Seiko 5s at that price and up to $300 all come with folded steel bracelets. Seiko is known for this. Just like their entry autos don't even get NH35, but that stupid 'shake awake' shit that doesn't hack or handwind.
I know, I have one. And I had to buy my own bracelet. It still disappoints in those other ways. It looks nice and it's a nice size and a classic watch, but it's a disappointment that should come with better stuff. Cheaper Chinese watches are absolutely objectively better except for the fact that they're unoriginal. This is common knowledge, not an opinion.
I own Seikos and "shitters" that were cheaper and are better. I love them all but I know the score. Sometimes you're paying for the look of it. But too many people buy based on the name and whatever cachet they think that carries, and they're just idiots if they're attempting to make any arguments for why those watches shouldn't be upgraded to the better movements and crystals and bracelets and WR and everything else when China is doing it for cheaper. There is no argument there. Seiko is being greedy and they're losing business for it. Do you even own any Seikos yourself? Do you have that Quartz you're defending?

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>>18680729
holy shit the cope is strong with this one

>>18680766
why would I want a *solid* steel bracelet (made from chinesium)?

>>18680768
Why can't they make this with an unsigned dial and blued hands? Fucking hacks. I'm gonna get a Stowa one day. It's just too appealing.

>Seiko 5s
decades old $80 cash grab to milk poor fags who wanted automatic (like casio's auto now)

not reading the rest of your drivel but I see you go on about china again

>>18680770
What does that mean? You can't be this stupid. We're not talking about $10 Chinese watches. Why are you still hanging in this losing argument? Folded steel bracelets fucking suck. There's no such thing as "chinesium".

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>>18680774
sure there is. all china watches are made from it. except maybe the real clones for $500. solid links suck and the metal is garbage. I'll take a hollow link any time.

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>>18680773
Seiko 5 is touted as the ultimate starter watch. It's not all that. I know because I have one and it's not as good as at least a dozen "shitters" you dismiss for no reason other than their Chinese origin.

Take my latest one here. You can't find a single reviewer saying it sucks. The bezel is better than the Hamilton it pays homage to. The only quibbles is that it ONLY has an NH38 (which again, seiko doesn't offer in the 5 line even for twice the price) and not a Swiss 80 hr power reserve. And it doesn't have a "signed" crown or exhibition caseback, neither of which matter to me all that much.
Only positive reviews, no negative ones.
Baltany is a well-respected brand which homages certain kinds of watches very well. It's REAL fucking stainless steel and good sapphire. There's no tomfoolery. All you really have left is "but what about the history? The original design language?"

That's all fine and good, but at TEN times cheaper? Great watch, great price, nothing shitty about it. You can mount no argument against it. Or collecting this type of watch. I don't understand how it threatens you highfalutin luxury watch guys so much. Do you think you're going to lose people to this path? Buy your $5K and $10K and up watches if you like. I have no interest in them. I'm not poor or stupid. I'm not collecting Barbies. Quit dismissing an entire genre of watches because they aren't for you.
I can afford a Hamilton. The Murph is pretty much my favorite watch. I spent the price of a Hamilton on watches in the last two months easily. I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing a Hamilton. I don't get why you guys can't understand that. I'm more comfortable with dozens of well-made, affordable watches. It's the watch collection for me. I'm just getting comfortable with the idea of a $500 watch. You do things your way I'll do things mine. Coexist. No?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0eQVJ-H6MU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gLP2m3pzi0

>>18680776
Ignorant or bad faith.

>>18680781
>Seiko 5 is touted as the ultimate starter watch.
watch youtubers lie much like posters online (here)

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Casio Time

>>18680729
It is to Mort. He bought an IWC chrono (and an $400 Omega nato strap) on a whim while waiting for his date that was around shopping.

>>18680764
Everybody wants THE Speedy.

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>>18680523
There you go, fellow pocket watch appreciator.

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should i take the gatespill

>>18680441
yea i know there is a lot of "hype" around tudor and longines right now but they don't quite do it for me, though i do like the salmon dial longines master collection. Also not big on IWC watches (i just dont like how they look on my wrist)
Some others i've been interested in are the Baume & Mercier Riviera as well as a gold B&M Clifton, Rado Golden Horse 1957 limited, Breitling Top Time B31 (AB3113281A1X1 ), GS SBGH343, as well as trying to find a "TV" dial that fits my wrist and isn't too thick. Some can think these are terrible and others may not but the fun part about watch collecting is that doesn't matter, as long as you enjoy the watches you buy wear and collect.
The Oris is really an outlier from what i generally enjoy but i plan on buying it to be a fun beach / cottage watch for summers (also prefer it to the black bay lineup)

>>18680809
until they try it on.

>>18680809
I don't get the appeal of that watch, it's just boring

>>18680474
>Buying 30 shitters, or "fun watches" as you say, makes ZERO sense for me, especially if they are quartzs (as you have to change the battery for each).
understood but when i said "fun" i meant more unique dials not necessarily shitters. Things like the Mido Multifort TV Big Date S01E01/S01E02 (cool tv retro dial), Mido Commancer Gradient Catrines ("fun" concert watch), anOrdain Model 1 or 3 (beautiful dials), etc.

>>18680815
if you're retarded

>>18680729
>worth 100 times that
Is a net worth of 1mil high to you?

>>18680827
You implied your $450 watch was your most valuable watch so most people would infer that multiple fun watches in that context means sub 200 or so

>>18680835
that was the guy responding to me lol
>>18680329 (me)
>>18680333 (him)

>>18680729
Not that guy, but if you got $7,000 every single day from 1700 to today, not excluding any weekends or any holidays or any of that shit, you still wouldn't have a billion dollars.

Let that sink in. Earning $7k every day for multiple lifetimes is still not a billion. Yes, $10k is literally nothing to some people. I'm not saying the guy you're responding to is a billionaire. He's probably a broke teenager blustering on-line. I'm just saying there are people for whom $10k is like pennies to you.

>>18680815
The only reason Bill Gates wears casio is he wants to project an image that he doesnt care about material wealth. He's also a dork with no swag, why would you copy him when it comes to fashion? Just bc he's rich?

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>>18680771
I know what you mean. the plain dial Archimedes was my grail piece for years, it's 0.5mm thinner than the Stowa. finally got it. it's one of those watches that looks 12/10 in all the pics but just doesn't land the same in person. also the bare dial just felt, well, barren after a while. I wasn't crazy about it. and I really wanted to "stick it to" IWC and get the alternative for 1/6th the price too.
then I tried on the mark XX. fuck. masterpiece. sold the Archimedes and never looked back.

>>18680761
Looks good for being 61 years old. The dial certainly is, being drenched in rhodium certainly helps. The case is a bit dinged up (obvious from certain angles, not so obvious from others) but is, crucially, unpolished, so the edges are all still there. Cost me about the same as a new Cocktail time.

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How a watch lover tells the world he’s Jokerpilled: by wearing a dive watch on a leather strap.

>>18680856
Divers (Rolex especially) look better on a leather strap anyway.

>>18680819
I don't either, it does nothing to me.

>>18680856
I’m obsessed with that watch but there are no GO ADs anywhere near me, nor do I have 11k to spend on a watch.

>>18680856
>wearing a dive watch on a leather strap
fuck yeah. it's like a giga flex:
>everytime I get this wet I replace the strap
>>18680857
this

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>>18680314
It's really simple. lolex is the NPC watch.
NPCs only care about signaling things to other NPCs. It's how they communicate without having a soul. They all just signal things to each other.
When an NPC wants to buy a watch, he only does as much "research" as to find the NPC-approved signal, which is normally lolex, and then he never looks deeper into horology.
If you take a deep interest in horology you are off-putting to them, because your actions indicate you're not one of them. You actually "care about something" as opposed to "caring about signaling you care about something."
If someone is a horology autist like me and they research, try on, and buy timepieces just for their own enjoyment, then they "care about the thing."
If someone is posting photos of the watches they encounter on instagram, or if they even have an instagram at all, then they "care about signaling they care about the thing."
If you actually want to discuss watches with no signaling involved, you come to /wt/ on /fa/, because here there is no social credit associated with signaling.
There is only one patek I like and it's the Neptune. Great things would have happened if Genta stopped "designing" watches after the Polerouter. But perhaps now you understand: to this day, Genta is just another way to signal. People that actually like horology and design (and are immune to signaling) admit that his popular "designs" look like dogshit.

>>18680864
Seems like you just have oppositional defiance disorder. Disliking something simply because it’s popular.

>>18680864
>If you actually want to discuss watches with no signaling involved, you come to /wt/ on /fa/, because here there is no social credit associated with signaling.
I find your post to be ironic because you typed out that whole silly essay for the express purpose of signaling how above it all you pretend to be. If you truly were uninterested in signaling and truly just wanted to talk about watches, you wouldn’t have those images stored on your computer.

>>18680863
To be fair, Epsom leather is pretty water resistant (though not totally waterproof). If it gets wet, it can be air dried and it will be fine.

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>>18680831
how is being hyper rational and optimized for function retarded? Love to hear your take

>>18680838
cause there seems to be no good alternative to the duro

>>18680856
if you are even more jokerpilled it should be yellow gold too

>>18680864
you can never truly know if it's an npc being npc, or if it's an awakened npc using it to signalmaxxingpurposes only
if you are truly hyper rational the whole watch industry becomes a joke to you anyway

>>18680856
Holy fucking based.

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>>18680871
>you wouldn’t have those images stored on your computer
it takes about 15 seconds to download a picture, rename it, and post it here. it doesn't need to be PERMANENTLY SAVED TO LE ARCHIVAL RAID HARDDRIVES FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION AND POSTING - this argument is so childish and retarded
>>18680864
i can agree with this for the most part. at the end of the day, it's about how it looks to you, right? no one gives a fuck about horology irl. rolex doesn't look good to me. they don't look bad, but i'm not spending money on them. objectively, it does carry an NPC stigma and that is also a huge deterrent.
>>18680874
>if you are truly hyper rational the whole watch industry becomes a joke to you anyway
this
buy what looks good on you and what looks good to you. rolex is the bat signal for "i have no idea wtf i really like" for 90% of it's consoomers

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>>18680868
You misunderstand completely. Being popular and being a signal are not the same thing. Having sex, walking in the forest, and cooking are EXTREMELY popular activities but you can easily do them without signaling. There are popular watches that I like, but they're usually popular with people who like watches, not NPCs.
>>18680871
I was replying to a (You). Also just because I don't personally care about signaling my life to NPCs doesn't mean I can't find their behavior funny (and disgusting). You don't like Zendaya? Also I brought up the Neptune. Do you like it?
>>18680874
I don't even look at it as an "industry." I just evaluate each watch individually and I don't really care about the brand. And before the NPCs start seething: yes, every rolex model is shit and it's not that the Hans Wilsdorf Foundation is a "bad brand." They could make cool watches with their capabilities, but they choose to make signalslop.
>>18680880
Yeah well said, lolex is basically for people that don't have any interest in watches. Other brands also have watches that fall into that category. Your IWC is certainly not one of them, it's something actually cool.

>>18680882
You are so boring, Bittercel.

>>18680883
I didn't even mention your ethnic group and you're coming after me. This has to stop, Shlomo.
Do you like the Credor I posted?

So to summarize:
>if I buy a Rolex, it’s because I am appreciator of horology.
>if someone else buys a Rolex, it’s because they are brainless NPCs.

That seems like something a healthy, socially well-adjusted adult would say. Definitely not someone whose mind was broken by the pandemic-era waitlists.

>>18680884
> Do you like the Credor I posted?
No, it’s ugly and over-styled. Like something a clown would wear. The Neptune is similarly ugly and over-styled.

Need to round out my collection with a dress watch.
Budget around $2k
Needs to look good on brown or black leather straps (preferably has quick release factory strap options to prevent scratching)
Would also prefer a watch that I can still wear with shirt + chinos etc, not just full suit

>>18680889
>Need to round out my collection with a dress watch.
Budget around $2k
You “need” to?

Stretch your budget a little bit and get a used Piaget Altiplano.

>>18680874
>no good alternative to a duro
you shouldnt be wearing a duro or alternatives to a duro. If you cant afford a watch wear a f91w, a168w or a g shock square or nothing. A seiko diver if you're poor but want something mechanical. When you have money buy something swiss

>>18680889
>Need to round out my collection with a dress watch.
What is currently in your collection?

>>18680885
Yes exactly correct.
But if you're an appreciator of horology and you are drawn to rolex then your "appreciation" probably amounts to having browsed r/watches for 5 minutes.
>>18680887
Wrong.

>>18680894
BB58, Speedy, khaki field, longines spirit pilot, g-shock.

>>18680887
>ugly
Let’s give it crown guards! Let’s have the crown stick out past the crown guards! Nothing wrong with a super-long winding stem. While we’re at it, let’s put some crown guards on the other side too!
Let’s give it a knurled bezel! No, no, the bezel won’t rotate. Why?
Heat-blued hands are great! Wait, what’s the failure rate of the bluing? Ah, fuck it, blue paint is good enough. Our customers don’t know the fucking difference.

>>18680891
Would prefer something more contempary and obviously no one needs to buy any watch

>>18680900
Just wear your bb58 or speedmaster to weddings or whatever. No one cares if you're wearing le dress watch in 2026.

>>18680900
Used Cartier Tank Must or Solo.

>>18680901
That's not how japanese people talk.

>>18680907
When was the last time people did care? 1990s?

>>18680895
Nothing says “new watch fan” like gatekeeping.

If someone likes Rolex, let them enjoy it. No one gets any extra internet points for being a smug elitist.

>>18680912
Truthfully, no one has ever cared.

>>18680913
It's not gatekeeping. I share everything openly and welcome all. I'm happy NPCs buy their shitty mass-produced lolexes, get mRNA shots, and cry every time they think of the 6 million. They deserve their fate, anon.

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>>18680889
bis option in that price tier> L2.843.4.93.2

>>18680874
wear tight polo and shirt and a big ass dive watch no one's stopping you if you're retarded

>>18680918
How'd a nitwit like you get so tasteful?

>>18680918
Longines is a good option for budget-minded dress watch options. The one you posted is pretty much on the money for anon if he goes gray market.

>>18680927
ocd + autism + a sprinkle of horse tranq every now and then

>>18680909
>Used Cartier Tank Must or Solo.
This. It’s a proven, classic design that will last forever. You’d never need to buy another dress watch ever again.

>>18680837
>I'm just saying there are people for whom $10k is like pennies to you.
Why can't they just give me $300-500k so I can fix my life then?

>>18680952
They can, they just don't want to. They don't care about you.

>>18680954
I mean I don't care about pennies...

>>18680954
Should we make them?

>>18680958
you can start by setting some goals, e.g. giving a few pennies to a bum on the street

>>18680980
Why would I need goals for that, I already do that regularly?

>Luxury watch: Japan
-__-
>"Luxuru" watch: Switzerland
:OOOO

>>18680937
lil bro forgot to add ADHD

going down the watch box road and I still haven't found one that I like
>ideally a box with 4, 5 or 6 places, 8 at most
>idea is to be able to expand by buying the same case again
>ideally without a display window
>don't want a 10 or 24 box because it doesn't fit my watches thematically and I don't like empty pillows in the box
>box and pillows in similar colors
>material is ideally real wood or leather
So far I found
>leather, but the pillows are too narrow or in a light contrasting colour
>wood, but the pillows are crap
>fake wood, fake leather
>leather rolls that are available from different brands but are actually aliexpress rolls with whatever brand logo stamped on

>>18681035
You really need square watches if you're going to stack up a bunch of bracelets, they never sit right against round cases.

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>>18681039
Home and Hadfield. I hate dealing with pillows

>>18681040
I only like square dress watches

>>18681006
go back to eat bunch of sushi, subhuman cockroach

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>they’re still posting iwc like it’s a good brand

>>18681047
Fuck how are you so rich. I want to be you so bad.

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What do you guys think of these watches?

I've never bought one before, prefer vintage things, and really only want it as a superficial accessory to compliment my outfits.

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>>18681083

More than you can afford, pal. Pagani Design. That's right like the supercar. Italian performance.

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>>18680617
Ya
>>18680626
>Is that "Eszha Choprd" your one awesome watch?
No
>one expensive watch path and the many inexpensive watches path
Only one is correct. It's a bad path to go down. You end up with 50 shitters and then realise you could have spent the money on a couple of good watches and you can't get your money back because shitters have no resale

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>>18680810
Tankyou

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Afternoon friends of /wt/. Hope everyone is well!

>>18681106
I have a few Walthams my granddad passed down to me. Will try to post them tonight.

>ice

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>>18680889
Hamilton Intramatic 38mm.

>>18681117
What can I say? I like my Taliskers cold.

>>18681105
I didn't go insane buying shitters but I bought a few trying to figure out wtf my tastes were for the first few years. Now that I know what I like and I'm slowly acquiring "real" watches I'm making room in the watch box every time I get a new piece by getting rid of non-sentimental pieces that are too similar to the "real" watch to justify keeping and wearing the shitter.

Okay hi guys this is Tristano from the Urban Gentry channel. Just wanted to inform you fine chaps that my wife has massive knockers [spoiler]Autocorrect changed it to knickers and I’m not British[/spoilers]. Okay, Chao.

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>>18680889

>>18680785
Then what is a starter watch? These snobs think absolutely anything from China is automatically bad. Which is extremely retarded in this day and age.
So I guess we're stuck with Casio or Timex, which somehow get a pass for "history". And then you can get a $300 Citizen or Orient, right?
Those brands are inexplicably acceptable to the hivemind "watch community", also chintzing out on the specs like Seiko does.

I can't believe there are still people here pretending this is okay. Luckily there's youtube though, so unless some idiot got all of his information from this board, there's no excuse to be so fucking stupid in 2026.

>>18680833
lol. Yes. And it's cute that you're fronting that it's not to you.
That's fine. No one but me is honest on the internet.

>>18680861
Lots of brands homage that design.
lol, it's hilarious when people have that mindset that they just won't buy anything but the original.
>I don't have $11,000 so I'll just never get to look down at a watch like that....
Deprive yourself if you like.

>>18681158
Eh... not him, but my net worth is around $1.5M. But the vast majority of that is tied up in retirement accounts and my home.

I could spend $10k on a watch and it wouldn't significantly impact my life at all. But I'd also want the watch to scratch some itch I couldn't otherwise get to, and I just don't have that itch right now.

>>18680868
There's a TON of that on 4chan. "NPCs", "normies"... basically well-adjusted people with social lives who can look others in the eye. Yeah, they're LESSER than shut-in autismo obsessive weirdos like you.

You're different. You go against the grain. You're a real rebel. If it's popular you hate it. If it's obscure and kind of got mixed reviews, it's for you.

And you've brainwashed yourself to believe none of those awful "normal" people even TRULY enjoy anything. You think it's all "signaling" and the other bullshit you typed out.

You're wrong. You'll never see it any other way either so you'll never even believe you're wrong. But I'm telling you anyway.

There's no such thing as NPC.

>>18680891
>no, you always need to spend more. $2k is not enough.

Fuck you and your fake wealth and your superior attitude, poser.

>>18680917
You're not winning anyone over with your gatekeeping AND your antisemitism.

You just become more and more disgusting with each post. No wonder no one IRL likes you.

>>18680952
Because you can't handle money. You'd just fuck it up like you did the last time you had money. Rich people didn't get rich by giving huge six figure handouts to fuckups.

>just give me half a million if it's nothing to you

Never happened ever.

>>18681076
That's a stock image. None of these people own the watches or stuff they suggest.

Request a timestamp and an actual photo. Also, even IF you really believed someone here was "rich", why would you post some kissass shit like that? You need to hate them. Not tell them you "want to be you so bad".

Oof, wince, cringe!!

>>18681105
You're really sheltered then. There are thousands of collectors just like me who specifically like what you think are "shitters". It's not incorrect. You're just a close-minded wannabe snob with huge insecurity issues.
You refuse to accept that other people are different than you. That they can enjoy things you do not.
Open your eyes, dumbshit. Or don't. Your approval doesn't mean anything. You're not even real. I'm on the path with EIGHTY-FIVE watches, none over $500. And I will never "realize" I could have got what YOU consider "good watches". You really seemed to have learned nothing from reading any of my posts (odd since you reply to them anyway), and seem to think I'm being dishonest about my love of collecting. Or that someday I'll "come to my senses" and start wanting $3,000 watches.
No, I won't.
Nor do want to sell any of the watches. Are you seriously incapable of acknowledging that there are different ways than yours?

I absolutely pity you. I hope you find some happiness in your life. Watches do not seem to be working for you when you're so disrespectful and willfully ignorant here for all to see.
Condolences.

>>18681122
Well that's WRONG.
Some faceless incel troll on 4chan drinks it neat and warm. So therefore you should also.

Same goes for watches. If you like a different kind you're also WRONG.

>>18681156
>Then what is a starter watch?
the one we started with

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>>18681176
De gustibus non est disputandum.

Different drams call for different treatment as well, of course.

>>18681167
>You're not winning anyone over with your gatekeeping AND your antisemitism.
Yes, one OR the other, please.

>>18680889
62GS or a Weekdater >>18680723

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>>18681164
You're projecting, fag. Identifying NPC signaling has nothing to do with being a shut-in. I already passed all the life checkpoints unlike you millennial dogfuckers who still don't have kids at 35. As I said before, something can be popular without being an NPC signal. Can you comprehend buying/enjoying something that isn't "hyped" by nubian athletes? Imagine just enjoying a watch that doesn't have paid articles shilling it on hodinkee.

>>18681167
This is exactly my point. Everything with you is about "winning people over." I don't care about your NPC signalling.
And we both know there's not a drop of semitic blood in you, shlomo.

>>18681242
>I already passed all the life checkpoints
Huh? Life is like a shopping list to you?

>>18681252
Just completing the cycle, anon. Your parents awaited your birth, raised you, and hopefully you're intelligent and strong enough to attract a mate so you can await the birth of your own child. Maybe you'll have more than one! Gotta have somebody to give all the watches to, right?
The rest of life is still an adventure, but certain things conform to repetition.

>>18681242
Why are you not ashamed of being a raging bigot? You spend too much time online, shitstain.

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>>18681254
Your ignorant, racist bastard isn't going to have a chance with you guiding it in this world.

>>18681146
>Just wanted to inform you fine chaps that my wife has massive knockers
Pics?

>>18681264
>>18681265
You guys are honestly pathetic. It's typical kike behavior to attack children so I'm not surprised.
Please unironically have sex AND/OR go for a walk outside.
Also please try to stay on topic by discussing watches in your posts.
It tried on the JLC Master Ultra Thin Perpetual Calendar but it felt flimsy and cheap. The tone of the rose gold was great though.

>>18681170
>like you did the last time you had money
Which was never? I just need a house dude.
>Rich people didn't get rich by
...not being born into a rich family. Yeah.

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found this when cleaning the house
am 100% certain its fake since im a poorfag
anyone can ID the model?

>>18681271
Cleaning your own house? How long have you lived there? Awfully strange thing to stumble upon.

>>18681273
my dad died two weeks ago bro
we are just clearing out his stuff

>>18681146
yeah I'll demand knockers and knickers as proof to see what's huge and small here

>>18681271
If it's fake then the model doesn't exist, usually these are fantasy watches. Show us the caseback, maybe it's real after all.

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>>18681276
Was your dad into fake watches? Maybe it's real. My dad died a couple years ago. It doesn't get any easier.

>>18681276
Nice, what else did you get? How many properties?

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>>18681290
hes never worn a watch afaik
it says 5016 on the back but it looks nothing like it

>>18681301
he has nothing bro

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>>18681231
My number one suggestion to make this board better would be give instant, non-appealable permanent bans if posting the word "weekdater" .
Kill your fucking self you and your trash ass poorfaggot forced meme of a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHIsmBwxwQ8

>>18681302
yeah, that's a fake with a miyota movement and an etched plate glued on top of the rotor

>>18681302
>he has nothing bro
Lol? You didn't even get one house or what?

>>18681303
Wow.
Not even that anon, but how can you be so poor you're seething over the Weekdater??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMw34up7cuY

can the china shitters get their own separate shill thread? thanks

>>18681311
its just a small house that i have to split with 3 siblings
i told you i was a poorfag bro

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>>18681324
At least you're keepin' the watch!

>>18681323
Only once Poorlex and Seikek get their own containment threads and Ben gets permabanned.

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>>18681323
Pop on over to Cheap Watch Central, friend. Or avoid it like poison gas. The choice is yours.

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>>18681331
kek
you're the guy who has made up pet names for everyone and post them like anyone at all is on the same page as you

>>18681303
>anon feels threatened by a Seiko

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>>18681337
This is pretty threatening. To good taste.

>>18681334
>not oiled chinese gears

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>>18681340
I choose not to.
I actually don’t know if I’ll ever put a yellow strap on anything. But I like to know I can. I have over 50 straps now.

>>18681348
The “watchmaker” failed to tell you that is not typical. lol, but you’ll repeat it for the rest of your miserable life.

Also, look up the watch you’re attempting to criticize and then return. I’ll wait.

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This actually kind of works.

Not really something I’d wear out though.

>>18681353
NTA, i can't blame you, i have bought 10 different strap and bracelet for just one watch (3 of them over $100) because none of them felt quite ok.

>>18681360
it works very well

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Silver is pretty versatile. Rubber straps are comfy.

>>18681356
he actually did say it is typical while holding it

>>18681353
>>18681361
IQ issue

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Any affordable, somewhat dressy looking watches, with numerals (either arabic or latin), around 40mm, annual+ calendar with date, weekday and month? The closest I found was Shellman Grand Complication, but I can only find them used and for a bit more than I'd want to pay for that state, and it has some complications I don't care for (moon phase, minute repeater).

>>18681312
Honestly I'm thinking about getting another one.

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>>18681366
I also fucked up the lugs of my 5K watch trying some of them...
Like a fucking Bonklip bracelet. Worst experience ever. Never again.

>>18681370
now you know

>>18681366
How is it an IQ issue? Even the smartest man doesn't know what he wants before trying shit out.
You should look around better before trying to levy pointless insults at people. There are surely more fitting targets.

>>18681361
Wow, $100 for a strap? That's a bridge too far for me. I've seen some cool straps, but I can't bring myself to pay over $40 for one. Especially since I bought a disappointing $35 strap and then found Chinese ones homaging it for $5 that were superior.
But there are some badass straps out there that will never have a cheap, Chinese counterpart. I could see myself someday dropping money for some amazing strap I can't live without.

>>18681374
the whole point of that line of seiko shitters is the bracelet is not trash. if you're gonna replace it with some shitty strap first thing when you get it you're low iq simple as.

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>>18681364
I don't believe you. Or him if the anecdote is even real. How old and cheap was the watch? These details matter. Because you'd really think that would be brought up in the massive youtube community by now were it actually a common occurrence.
As someone who dismisses all Chinese watches of course you are not expected to have done any research whatsoever. You're purposely ignorant and proud to be. You likely think everyone reviewing them is a "shill" anyway.
But the truth is they all shit on Chinese watches any opportunity they get. Because it actually results in changes. A couple of reviewers will complain about this or that and 5 months later the new version has addressed everything. It's quite amazing.
Like my Specht and Sohne 37mm PRX homage. The videos from a year ago have everyone saying the lumed counterbalance on the second hand is too large and could be confused for the hour hand in the dark. So my new one has that removed. They'll complain about the company's logo and -POOF- next cycle the factory has altered it or offered sterile dials as an option.
Above $50 and you can usually be assured of full steel cases and overall quality construction. Above $150 everything has great specs; stuff that easily mogs the $300 Citizens, Seikos, Orients, etc. Everything but the original designs. And even that is changing.
And for all of the complaints I read and hear and see in my extensive constant research on all the shitters I love so much, "not being oiled" is not one of them.
And I would know better than your watch mechanic buddy. It's not like he follows what's happening in Chinese watches. There's no money in them for him. While as a watch guy he should appreciate what's happening in China, he probably just sees more cons than pros for himself. I don't blame him. I do blame you. You're here seeing evidence that you're wrong and you still choose to hate on Chinese watches for the dumbest of reasons.

>>18681377
You replied to 2 different people. I have the "shitter" Presage and I don't think the stock strap sucks (like the Hardlex sucks). I did NOT put a stupid yellow rubber strap on it.

But IQ has nothing to do with taste anyway. That's your main problem.
>simple as
That's another one.

>>18681382
it was one of those yellow ones with green nylon

>>18681385
your first issue was paying premium for a strap model for women

>>18681386
A 1963? There are lots of different companies making those and they've been around since 1963.
I haven't had any trouble with mine. And those watches are probably the most respected of all Chinese "budget watches". Pretty much the only AliExpress watch that all the luxury fancypants reviewers will even acknowledge.
Shitty ones are few and far between when you purchase from the right store. But there are so many people making that design that there's a shitty tier of them probably. Or it was old or who knows what happened to that one. In all the reviews of 1963s I've never seen the asterisk that there's an oiling problem.
I'll let everyone know as soon as anything goes wrong with mine.

>>18681387
What's a strap model? What's for women?