>>77203858
I do swings as a quick & easy cardio

>>77203858
my go to for weighted dips and pullups

One sickcunt on youtube does nothing but kettlebell cleans for his posterior chain and fucked around and pulled 240kg deadlift

Mattafact lemme link you that shit right quick my nigga

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/nfUE2ZSRlCk

>>77203874
Imagine believing this shtick/scam. This only works if you're roiding or using the heaviest kettlebells on earth otherwise good luck with that

>>77203858
Joe Rogan loves them and never shuts the fuck up about them. So... Depends on how you feel about that midget

>>77203858
It's only gay if the bells touch.

>>77203879

>80kg
>roiding

Ok boomer

>>77203896
It doesn't matter there's B side mma fighters that weigh 55kg and roid, considering the low view count im wondering if you're not shilling for yourself.
Buy an ad faggot

>>77203904

No I'm a 32 year old dyel from snap city who can barely walk. If you do some goddam kettlebell cleans maybe you could avoid my fate ya dig

>>77203858
great for at home legs especially since there isn’t really any BW exercise that can replace it
>gay
niggas be throwing this word around for no reason I swear. gay as in you’ll be exercising effectively? gay as in you’ll look good? gay as in you’ll become strong without needing to become morbidly obese eternabulking and powershitting in the gym? Then yeah its super fucking gay.

>>77203919
Saying they're good for recovery and cardio and mobility which i can see an argument for is radically different than telling me "if you do cleans every day with 40kg you'll get a 5pl8 deadlift untrained"

>>77203874
Op is the tranny wog spammer who has a grudge against Mark.
>>77203879
>>77203904
That's the reason for these weird responses.

>>77203964

Idk man. Think of a kb clean as like a sit up for your PC. You can do hundreds. You can't do hundreds of deadlifts because your spine will leave humanity behind.

>>77203985
I actually get more back pain from kettlebell swings than deadlifts, probably since it's a ballistic movement. Tbh, I think kettlebells are fake and gay.

>>77203986

Kettlebells are based and definitely exist, that is beyond a shadow of a doubt. If you get pain doing either exercise something else is wrong with your body.

>>77203979
Take your fucking meds
>>77203985
A clean is a clean, it's more of a jumping movement if you're doing it properly than a hinge
In your theory every other guy could get olympic lifts regional level numbers by just spamming the same kettlebells weight x 100 which is obviously a stupid premise

>>77203988
I get zero pain from squats/deads and have had zero pain for 10 years. I think kettlebells are fake and gay marketing. The "what the hell effect" and other stuff is made-up nonsense. There is nothing special about a kettlebell. It is a weight, and by lifting weights, you get stronger.

>>77203858
grip an iron penis attached to an iron ballsac and swing it between your legs until you are sweaty and tired. bretty gay

>>77203990

I have an emerging theory that everyone is training wrong. This Mark guy has an exceptional deadlift but pretty average pressing power. Good but still just only slightly better than average. I think if people knew what they were doing 500lb deadlifts wouldn't be considered such an impressive feat.

>>77203991

>There is nothing special about a kettlebell. It is a weight, and by lifting weights, you get stronger.

Yes that's what I'm saying.

>>77203998
>I have an emerging theory that everyone is training wrong.
I think training methodology doesn't matter that much. Genetics determine how far one will go in strength training.
Case in point: All of the athletes who are brutally strong already had above average numbers within their first year of training. Meanwhile some people lift brutally hard for 15 years and wouldn't make it in powerlifting.

>>77203990
I believe i didnt make a clear point here so i'll reiterate and apologize :
The premise is stupid because it assumes that you can do the same weight kettlebell deadlifts* x 100 and get to Oly regional level numbers.
It's not the same weight transfer at all, most oly guys have poor man bench by fit standards despite pressing 200kg over their heads

>>77204006

>I think training methodology doesn't matter that much. Genetics determine how far one will go in strength training.

Low key thinking it's my destiny to prove you wrong fr fr on god no cap

>>77204015
>Low key thinking it's my destiny to prove you wrong fr fr on god no cap
I have done Starting Strength, 5/3/1 BBB, Stronglifts, Greyskull, Overcoming Gravity, Naturally Enhanced, PHUL, and Richard Hawthorne's routine. None of these programs made any noticeable difference in my progress.

>>77204036

So you fuck with heavy compounds only and don't do any accessory movements?

>>77204047
I pretty much made my own program where I do two heavy compounds first and then a ton of accessories. That's all I do now. Although, once I finished my noob gains the progress has been like 1lb of muscle a year.

>>77204036
Doesn't matter what program you do if you aren't actually putting in the effort and eating right

>>77204072
That is wrong also. In my first 2 years I was putting in too much effort and I got a hernia, and vomited in the gym multiple times. I learned to put in less effort so I'm not hurting myself.

>>77204068
I feel that, that's what I do but I think the key is to follow basement bodybuildings philosophy with the accessories. Low reps high weight and treat the whole lift like a serious lift not an accessory keep track of the weight go hard as fuck til failure two or three sets. Progressive overload like u are benching take it just as seriously.

>>77204068
1lb of muscle a YEAR? are you 5'4?

>>77204086
True, I could give that a shot. I haven't gone that heavy with upper back accessories because I figured deadlifts are already doing that.
>>77204092
That is completely normal if you have been training for 10+ years. What did you expect, that the average person will gain 100lbs of muscle by training for 20 years? Since that's only 5lbs of muscle a year. Lol.

My gym doesn't have the 20 or 30kg ones only the gay small ones. I have a 20kg one at home and it's nice to do thrusters and clean and presses

Kettlebells IMO are the highest ROI form of training.

>they train the entire body
>can train explosiveness, cardio or strength
>are very time-efficient and inexpensive compared to gym subscriptions or other equipment.
>don't have to drive or walk to the gym, train at home

I've seen dozens of old men getting in very good shape in a few months of training with them daily.
They're great to get a good physique (by normie standards).

I have a pair of adjustable dumbbells and a bench, but I was considering getting a kettlebell for cardio. How could I fit that into a routine? Do stuff like swings during my rest days or tacking them to the end of strength training?

I've been looking into adding them to my toolset and I think they're good for a few specific things:

>cardio and conditioning
>mobility and explosiveness from ballistic exercises
>develop great posterior chain and core strength and healthy mobile shoulders

They're not so great for pure upper body mass and strength. Out of all the kettlebell enthusiasts, I've seen maybe one or two who actually had an impressive and balanced upper body and they no doubt did other barbell or calisthenics to develop that.
They seem to be lacking on the big upper body pull movements and limited in pushing development simply due to the weight used. You could probably get some decent shoulders if you worked hard overhead, but you'd be better served with a barbell and pull-ups/dips for the upper body. They tend to lack in the lats and lack overall upper body width and 'yoke' and all have very well developed core and legs which IMO does not look great without a proportionately developed upper.

That said I'm tempted to drop a full body compound day and do a kettlebell complex because I'm getting older, stiffer and the extra explosiveness and mobility in my hips, shoulders and back would probably be really great.
If my house burned down tomorrow and I was forced to rebuild my home gym quickly, from scratch, I think I'd try it out just with some kettlebells and a pullup bar/rings with a dipping belt and see how well I could maintain and grow.

>>77203858
they aren't too bad for conditioning but you have to use them for what kettlebells are meant for most part
means, swings, snatches, cleans, presses keep it explosive
add some rotations etc. and you are pretty well balanced cardio, strength and mobility
and if you can get heavy enough like 32 doubles is were most adjustable kbs go you will build muscles if you do some extra volume compared to bb
32s aren't easy to press overhead 5x10
they have their limits though for lower body unless you buy bigger bells
i still only have 32s but i do a lot of single leg stuff up to 20 reps it's more hard for the core then for the legs
maybe i will buy a weight vest soon or maybe i get a sandbag for fun
though im not sure how much i could squat with a regular bb squat

i recommend them if you don't have space or are tired of regular bb training or even if you want to train outside
2 sets of adjustables and a dip/pullup set up will bring you pretty far
swinging around 64kg for half an hour emom is pretty intense
and upper body is pretty much solved with weighted cali that you can use your kbs for
dips and pull ups with up to 64kg should are enough to build some serious upperbody strenght and muscles

best thing is sometimes i can get in a quick workout when i feel tired were before i wouldn't have gone to the gym at all because it's not worth going for 20minutes
but doing a abc complex for 20minutes is pretty good

>>77203858
Only if they don't ring.

>>77203858
>Are kettlebells gay?
yes
>Are there any kettlebell advocates here?
yes
go figure

IS IT TAKING LIKE 5 MINUTES FOR THE FUCKING CAPTCHA TO LOAD FOR ANYONE ELSE

Yeah.
Clean and press,front squar squat, snatch, turkish getup will get you strong as shit.

Yeah.
Clean and press,front squat, snatch, turkish getup will get you strong as shit.

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I still don't understand snatch at all and I can't even downshift on cleans either. I looked up all the videos zip up your jacket punch through the bell stick your thumb in your ass nothing works!

>>77205423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB0uOh--z0g
This technique worked for me. I was swinging the bell out, then up like I was doing a regular swing and flinging the bell around which beat the hell out of my forearms. Had some nasty bruises. Keep elbows close to your body and project force up not out. I'm not sure what you mean by downshifting cleans. Dropping from rack position? The bell doesn't go over your hands, it rotates out and around them. From rack to bottom position the bell spins about half way around. Hard to describe something that feels so natural at this point, had to slow down and watch how I actually do it. Keep practicing and you'll figure it out. Cut some thumb holes in an old pair of socks to use as gloves to make it easier on your hands if that becomes an issue while working on your technique.

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>>77204402
100%
>Snatch to Thruster
Tell god I said 'sup'

>>77203858
>gay
I couldn't tell you
I have 3 weights of them (2x 25lb, 2x 35lb, 1x 54lb) that I use for various things. The lightest ones are good for snatches and elevated pushups. The swings (1h, alternating every swing) help a lot with my back rehab (slipped disc) when I actually keep up with it. When you get a good rhythm and can do the motion without it 'pulling' on your arms or back, its great to just keep going until fatigue/exhaustion sets in and your form degrades. I can't speak to the other forms because I really only use them for swings and snatches most of the time and move to weighted mace for shoulders.
I'm a permalanklet at 6'5", but get compliments on my dyel fizeek on occasion fwiw