fasting (omad is based)
sleep
basic skincare

>>77207124
Ok but how is that going to preserve that v-shape of youth (you especially see in the middle guy) and prevent your face and jaw from filling out into that eventual elderly square shape?

>>77207117
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Tissue maintenance is a whole-body thing, not just a face thing.

>Do daily stretches, exercises that rotate your joints, keep your body nimble.
>Have a balanced mix of strength exercises, isometric exercises, endurance exercises.
>Keep your brain active, challenge it with daily exercise; maths, juggling, N-back, PASAT, videogames, learning languages, etc.
>Have a regular sleep schedule, at the very least make sure you wake up around the same time every day, get sunlight exposure shortly after waking up.
>Do a 24-36 hour fast once a week, or once every 2 weeks.
>Make sure your testosterone levels are adequate (one of the most effective means is to eat more cholesterol, and to make sure you endure more mental and physical challenges each day you have to push through).
>Drink about a litre of water each day.
>Avoid alcohol like the plague.
>Take care of your gut microbiome (boil potato, put it in fridge, let it cool down, eat it, gut bacteria you depend on love that shit, also kimchi, also kefir).
>Take very good care of your teeth. They supply your blood with all kinds of minerals your body and skin need, if they are healthy. If they aren't, they DEMAND those minerals and nutrients from your blood. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVCaYyUWWSw)
>Wash your skin vigorously with lukewarm water once a day, not just your face, your entire body. Avoid blistering hot showers.

Your nervous system is the CEO that decides how your body maintains its tissues. If your nervous system is forced to keep everything at peak efficiency, it'll do that. It's designed to do that. If it's not forced to be optimal with every molecule in your body, then the most optimal thing to do is to not spend too many resources on keeping everything running at peak efficiency. It doesn't have to. So, the chain of "tissue maintenance" is only as strong as its weakest link.

>>77207117
sleep with your head backwards inclined
HIIT exercises 2-3x a week
evening sun for the NIR spectrum and avoid midday sun
tretinoin or adalpene everyday
fasting at least 48h once a month
20g soluble (chia seeds etc) and 20g insoluble fiber everyday
correct tongue posture, no mouthbreathing at night
correct chronic diseases (hypothyrodism, hemolytic anemia etc) at all costs
enough protein per day

>>77207285
Post face

>>77207141
Why would you want a weak jaw?

>>77207289
You can get away with everything when you look young. Looking older only signifies that you're now eligible to be a provider. Have fun wallet

>>77207285
>tretinoin or adalpene everyday
People have started saying these deplete fat pads and leave you with thin but clear skin. So you still end up looking old

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>>77207197
>linking (((Huberman))) unironically

>>77207298
What a retard lol

>>77207117
I would never take in information that isn't directly from the environment immediately surrounding me. Every blemish, wrinkle, eye bag, malding, and grey hair have been directly caused by a reaction of visceral disgust to the greater world. If I had never turned on a device since 18, I'd probably look my age and not 10 years older than I am. You can probably get away with offline vidya predating 2010, but everything else just brings unnecessary stress, disgust, or unfortunate realizations about the state of reality.

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What is it that causes men's heads to massively grow with age? Redditors and the hand wavers here will always simplify and say that the skull doesnt change shape at all, and it's just skin sagging and weightgain and hairloss, but that's so obviously not fucking true. It's not true that you could just fill in the same hairline and tighten the skin and voila you have the old person. The skull has obviously gotten bigger. What's the medical reason this happens, and how can we prevent it?

>>77207376
the brain is growing from all the knowledge and wisdom it has gained so the skull grows to accommodate this

>>77207376
What a mouthbreather you are

>>77207117
For wealth, you want to get to and stay in the 40s range so people trust you and will pay you what you ask

>>77207117
Retinol/tretinoin

>>77207286
im 19

>>77207376
growth hormone over the years because of muscle pressure induced boneformation. also skin getting flabby, skin almost never shrinks, so as the skin stretches, and new cells go inbetween, the start to drab over the skull more, leaving more empty space that can be filled up with fat and water retention

>>77207117
>wanting a baby face
What are you? A Korean faggot boy?
Tic tac motherfucker

>>77207117
dont drink or smoke

>>77207566
>skin almost never shrinks
Thought it still shrank up to like early 30s....

>new cells go inbetween, the start to drab over the skull more, leaving more empty space that can be filled up with fat and water retention
Is there any surgeon in the world that removes these or works "shrinking" skulls?

>>77207376
Inflammation, generally. But what is the specific cause for men's heads to balloon up when they get older? Alcohol.

The "alcoholic head" thing has been observed many many times. I think even the comedian Bill Burr has a whole bit about Alec Baldwin's head growing massive from being an alcoholic.

>>77207117
Strict keto and avoid PUFAs.

I too am interested in this. There seems to be several factors needing to be addressed. The weakening collagen matrix, the reduction of facial fat pads, and oxidation and other time related damages. There are many products targeting collagen and dermal thickeness. What if for the fat pads you used something like Adifyline on the areas it is migrating from while using Actigym or similar on the areas it migrates to. That way you rebuild fat where it is lost and lose it where it has gone. Please chime in anons. I want quality facial skin anti aging discussion.

>>77207117
>no processed foods
>diet rich in saturated fats and fruits
>sedentary lifestyle, no exercise besides walking
>up to 2 hours daily sun exposure, always with the sunglasses, no sunscreen
>no physical labour or staring at the screen all day
>always sleep until rest, never use an alarm

>>77207117
Semen retention, unironically.

>>77207376
What the hell, I thought the cranium stopped growing at like 16

>>77208136
K2+MK7 is essential, baseline. Otherwise the most i've found so far i believe is Progeline to inhibit the protein that destroys elasticity (though i somewhat doubt the power of just a topical to do this, rather than something injected...), PRF injections everywhere to supposedly boost elastin production, and someone else on here said they're doing autogenic fat transplants with stemcells?

Of course, the elephant in the room seems to be just taking estrogen/hrt, though there seems to be little info on how to isolate the benefits you want from it (increased subcutaneous fat, elastin production, hair growth) and not get the negatives (libido destruction, penile shrinkage, suicidal thoughts.....breast growth i suppose can be removed with surgery). It seems that once you take estrogen you have to commit to changing body's entire dominant hormone

Though you may need to get a facelift/mini facelift, facial implants, hardmaxxes first, and THEN preserve your new face as much as you can with elastnin/bone/fat preservation. It seems celebs perhaps fuck up when they get facelifts but do nothing to preserve the newly stretched skin, and so then it just keeps loosening more

I was even thinking about korean bone shaving surgery to shave the parts of your forehead/browbone that have grown and protruded since you were 18. Just show them a picture of your forehead at 18 and basically say "remake this" to get the same smaller head size. Though i dont know enough about bone physics to know if removing some in some areas makes other areas recede, the same way removing a tooth does

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>>77207376
It's not his head that's big. It's his body that's small. Skinny. Zero muscle. If he hit delts and lats, he'd widen. Especially if he had hit them hard when he was young. His bones would've grown that way too. But, also yeh. He does have a bit of a noggin. Midge proportions. But, muscles will'd helped.

>>77207571
>Tic tac

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>>77207376
probably inflamation and collagen loss. all the guys I saw at 5 year HS reunion gained some face bloat even though bf% stayed similar. I have the opposite problem. I'm losing too much fat in the middle of my face even though my bf% isn't changing

>>77208853
It's not fat causing the "bloat" though. It's your elastin letting out and breaking apart. The face goes from tight and rubbery to soft and formless. This is why all this "debloat" nonsense and advice is dumb af and a pointless chase. You can lose all the fat you want, your skin will be at that same saggy thickness.

You cant retighten it. Sure you can pull it back tight over the bones in a facelift, but it wont look young because the texture and quality of it will still be like a stretched piece of bubble gum

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>>77208136
>What if for the fat pads you used something like Adifyline on the areas it is migrating from while using Actigym or similar on the areas it migrates to. That way you rebuild fat where it is lost and lose it where it has gone

Is there a risk you look like this if you do that?

This thread should be merged into the skincare gen on /fa/ (all trannies btw)

>>77207387
Dumb question but is there truth to this?

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>>77207141
So you're asking if it's possible to stuff your skin back into that v shape once it's loosened and let out into a square shape (usually in the 30s)? Far as I know elastin restoration is the biggest mystery of skincare; they barely know how to preserve it. No i dont think you can put the jack back in the box

>>77208518
Had not heard of progerin before and its driving of senescence. It's a multifaceted equation.

Here's what I have for what contributed to aging and especially the V of youth loss. Anons am I missing anything big? I know maybe these can't all be mitigated but I feel like unless I can figure out the big picture I risk missing out on what can be done.

>Structural Scaffolding & ECM Integrity
>- Dermal Ligament Tension
>- Enzymatic Collagen Cross-Linking (LOX/Lysyl Oxidase)
>- Fibrillary Organization (COL16A1 & Decorin) -
>- DEJ Anchoring (Collagen XVII/VII) -

>Density & Volumization
>- GAG/HA Synthesis
>- Collagen I/III Production
>- Phyto-Estrogenic Signaling
>- Fat Pad Deflation

>Cellular Energy & Senescence
>- Mitochondrial ATP/Energy
>- Senescence/SASP (Zombie Cells)
>- Progerin/Lamin A Dysfunction

>Surface/Barrier Refinement
>- Sebocyte/Sebum Quality
>- Corneodesmosome Desquamation
>- Capillary Leak/Micro-Edema
>- Lipid Barrier

>Inflammation & Degradation
>- Inflammaging
>- Glycation/AGEs
>- Elastase
>- Elastin/Fibrillin

>Genomic & Repair Pathways
>- Photolyase/CPD Repair
>- OGG1/8-oxoG Repair
>- Telomere Shortening

>Signaling & Dysregulation
>- Circadian Clock
>- Cortisol/Stress
>- Matrix Gene Regulators TGF-beta/AP-1

>>77209640
That would be terrifying. It seems like I jumped the gun anyway on looking at fat pads. Unless your collagen matrix is tight and strong the fat will lead to pillow face and then probably hellish outcomes like here. Does anyone know of a way to just keep the fat pads? Then working on the collagen matrix you could keep the fat pads relatively where they should be with very targeted snd mild slimming on lower face as needed.

>>77209865
Thoughts on Glyzinc and Derm-SRC by Barnet. I want to make my own cosmetic solutions and found these guys via their DNA repair photolyase etc enzymes. They look like they have some promising pathways....but maybe its just marketing hype. These two are said to protect snd also help in the generation of elastin. Derm SRC is glucosamine, pea extract, and bamboo extract. The GlyZinc is a glycine zinc combo that they say gets deep into the skin.

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>>77207197
Thank you for the recommendations fren