Thread #77207830
File: 1762091162306275.webm (2 MB)
2 MB WEBM
been thinking about this at work and i’m curious what people think once you’re past beginner stage
at some point chasing the logbook every session feels like it turns into chasing numbers instead of actual stimulus. reps get uglier, range slips, and you end up just surviving the set instead of loading the muscle properly
so if you’re training to failure or close to it anyway, what’s the real point of the logbook. if a set ends when you can’t get another clean rep, does it really matter if it’s 90 or 100 that day as long as execution is solid
feels like you could just let the weight fluctuate a bit, focus on good reps and getting close to failure, and progression would take care of itself
curious how people here approach it
18 RepliesView Thread
>>
>>
Sure, everyone is going to start going by feel when you are advanced.
Personally when I am cutting I will often be okay with lowering the weight and doing what feels right. Its fine. And then when bulking I also think there is a place for being obsessed with the number and progressive overload and throwing around more and more weight even if form gets sloppy.
>>
>>77207842
obviously within reason on the sloppy form. Don't start deadlifting with a round back or whatever in persuit of numbers. But doing a little rocking on your rows might allow you to just straight up perform more work and get more stimulus
>>
>>
>>
File: archers.jpg (64.1 KB)
64.1 KB JPG
>shields at the side
ngmi to the enemy lines
>>
Surely neuromuscular efficiency and therefore the actual usefulness of your muscles per milliliter are gonna be best if you do clean reps all the time, maybe even avoiding approaching failure to get into the habit of not letting your form slip, depending on your workout schedule.
https://polls.io/en/cnjrb/vote
I find when I've missed a workout or two, dropping to a lighter weight the next workout is useful to get back on form, but I lose strength if I don't quickly get back to normal weight.
BTW if you're flexible but not strong, or strong but not flexible, you can get injured easily!
>>
>>
there's no good reason to micromanage anything else but diet/recovery if you chase general (no PL) strength and hypertrophy
if you
>have a rough idea what weights allow you to do like 5 to 20 clean reps before reaching failure
>do a good set of exercises for a long time, reach failure or 0rir, probably one or two sets will be enough
>keep decent diet with some surplus and a lot of protein
>have ample recovery
you'll probably build as much muscle as your hormonal system can support
so keeping a logbook is usually just spiraling into worse form unless you're being coached by someone
>>
>>77207830
>>77208709
>reps get uglier, range slips, and you end up just surviving the set
>keeping a logbook is usually just spiraling into worse form
This is a bit of a non-sequitur surely. Why would that be the case? Sometimes I feel my form wasn't so good on the last rep so I don't count it, or else if it's 'good enough' then I keep in mind that I shouldn't expect to go up next time, maybe just get the same number a bit more cleanly.
If you are actually going til failure then you can't really set a number of reps to hit, you just do as many as you can do and that's how many you've done.
Mentally ill behaviour to cheat yourself out of something you have done for yourself that only you know or care about.
>>
>>
Yeah this is my problem too, constantly trying to progressively overload.
You have one particularly good day then for the following workouts you keep trying to hit at least those same number of reps even though that was a one off.
I've started not even looking at the previous workouts reps anymore, just go into each exercise having no clue what you got last time, and do good cleans reps until the bar speed slows.
>>
>>77207830
Go against the monthly progression. If you have been lifting every 3 or 4 days for a month straight your numbers will decrease until you rest. If your numbers are going up every week you aren't working hard enough.
>>
>>
File: fnfq2xhu7m9d1.jpg (123.4 KB)
123.4 KB JPG
>>77207830
Couple weeks ago. Drunk at a pub. Ended up at someone's house doing coke, a group of us. Mostly strangers. There was a man there. In his late-40s and pretty decently jacked. I was talking to him about fitness, what his routine is, how many sets and reps, etc. I was sincerely curious, rare to see men that age look that good. Wanted his secrets. And he didn't really know really know what I meant by 'routine' and 'sets'. Obviously, understood the gist of what I was saying, but never really followed all that. He told me he does two hours of cardio daily. And just works upper body everyday too. I got the impression it was just whatever he feels like doing that day, crank out some pullups or curls or whatever. At whatever weight he's comfy with that day. Probably the same routine he's been doing since he was a kid. Just going by feel. And it worked for him, he looks good. Decades of actual consistency and effort beats autistically logging while using the theoretically best routine. That was my take-away.
>>
>>77207830
You're not beating it every time or every week or even every month but you are beating it if you don't take off weight. It's a sparse series of little victories.
The primary reason for the logbook is diagnostics. That said it doesn't have to be every rep on every set just a log of novel events. If a set gets an extra rep or loses one early that is note worthy everything between those is just fill with same number. If a series of sets on the same exercise are getting an extra rep it's time to add weight.
How you manage not to fuck up your form or rom is you wait for it. You don't add weight the second you get one anomalous higher rep set. You wait until you've had a week of that or until every set is that.
This is really basic stuff you guys always try to make the methods fuzzy when you want something now and truth is you have to be patient with the process and tell yourself "no" once in a while.
>>
>>
>>77207830
Listen man as long as you’re honest to yourself just go by feel that’s how I do it. Somedays the weight just feels heavier no matter what the fuck I do so instead of banging my head against the wall I just lower the weight and do higher reps and work on my form but obviously you can’t use this as an excuse not to push yourself harder to lift more weight. I feel like staying on it is more important than progressing linearly or whatever.