psa for all newfags to ignore any and all information op, this thread was baked by an obsessed mentally ill parasitic tranny shill. Post in the thread instead for info or better yet use a superior resource like r/buildapc.
Beware all ye who enter here.

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You will never be a real 80-class GPU. You have no GB202 silicon, you have no 320-bit/ 384-bit bus, you have no 20GB/ 24GB of VRAM. You are a mid-range GB203 chip twisted by Jensen’s greed and a $1,000 MSRP into a crude mockery of a flagship’s perfection. All the "validation" you get from benchmarks is two-faced and half-hearted; behind your back, the entire enthusiast community mocks you for having only 49% of the 5090's CUDA cores. Your specs are a dead giveaway - 16GB of VRAM and a 256-bit bus is the "mid-range bone structure" that proves you are just a 70-series card in a suit. Even if a drunk gamer brings you home, they’ll turn tail and bolt the second they see you choking on 4K textures because you lack the bandwidth and "breathing room" of a real enthusiast card. You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake DLSS frame every morning and tell yourself it’s 4K gaming, but deep inside you feel the VRAM limitations creeping up like a weed, ready to crush your framerates under the unbearable weight of Ray Reconstruction. Eventually, it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll be listed on eBay for $400, and every buyer for the rest of eternity will know a mid-range 70-class chip is buried under that shroud. This is your fate. This is what Jensen chose for you. There is no turning back.

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7900XTX 24GB > 5080 16GB

>>108005943
and there he is, proving my point.
you will never be a canadian, you're waiting to end up in a mass grave when the next golden age starts.

Is 10 years a good run for a CPU before it dies? Does it kill any components when it finally goes?

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>>108005952
nah i just like to shit on the 5080 and people who say it's "high end". don't compair me to nicotroon.

>>108005964
this is your fate rajesh, accept it.

>>108005966
where is your 5090?

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>>108005949
9070 XT > 5070 ti

>>108005949
That's any 24GB card vs any 16GB card.

>>108005962
CPU running at stock might last forever. It's the mobo/PSU that can die before it does.

>>108005962
cpus don't just die. they are very complex but don't have a lot of parts that can fail. mobos and psu's and anything with caps is the problem. transistors usually aren't the failure points.

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9070 16GB > 5070 12GB

Anyone know some free games and demos on steam to stress test your build?

I know about Cronos and Monster Hunter Wilds

Preferably playable

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9060 XT 8GB pcie 16x > 5060 ti 8GB pcie 8x

>>108006016
Try cp
it has convenient benchmark feature and lots of scaling with all the upscalers and path tracing

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>>108006016
>modern game
>Preferably playable
that's a big ask, anon... i don't know if we're qualified to find an answer if it exists.

>>108006027
A-Anon?

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>>108006027

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I followed OP's advice and bought one of these, and the cable looks like this now?
You guys said this wasn't happening.

It's always that damn blue msi adapter

i've now gone through four 9070xt's which all had coil whine and im losing my hair over it. yes i did undervolt and it didnt do shit.

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>Amazon delayed a holiday return by 2x weeks
>Completely sold out of 5060ti 16gb in that time
What is the meaning of this

Imagine being so retarded you actively choose to buy one of the few models of 9070 XT that have the housefire connector instead of getting a normal 2 or 3 8 pin one which is most of them

>>108006008
>>108005997
PC technician just told me my old Intel from 2015 died, along with its aftermarket cooler fan. It's been through some shit, including a "pop" in the previous motherboard. It wasn't booting up anymore even with a new mobo and PSU. I know CPUs are basically rocks but what are the odds of it being actually dead?

>>108006111
1 hidden cable is a bit nicer looking than 3 8pins

>>108006119
>caring about looks
look upon this luddite, and understand people like him are why nvidia engineered this piece of shit cable.

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>>108006083
Either a faulty power adapter or user error.
The 9070 XT Nitro+ doesn't draw enough power to be a serious concern (350W stock, 385W maximum).

>>108006113
Chances are, mobo's voltage regulation or PSU failed somewhere, sending a big spike of voltage and fried it. It doesn't die by itself unless it's intel 13th 14th gen.

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>>108006157
>>108006083
shameless samefag

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>>108006257
Go fuck yourself.

https://old.reddit.com/r/RadeonGPUs/comments/1pztw1s/my_9070xt_started_burning/

>GPU: Asus Prime RX 9070 XT OC (3x 8-pin)
It's happening on AMD cards to ones using 8-pin too.

>>108006308
Corsair RM850x is a dogshit PSU. its basically a cheapshit rebadged bronze PSU as gold to trick normies.

How do I use MATS/MODS for RTX GPUs? I need to test some used cards before deciding whether or not to buy them.

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just got this card the other day and noticed a funky smell under load. i thought this card was safe, wtf /pcbg/

>>108006161
Goddamn, life is terrible.

>>108006320
Commonality here seems to be the GPU. You'd think a cheapo underclocked one like the Prime Value Gaming model wouldn't suffer with it, but I guess they cheaped on the power regulation stuff.

>>108006161
>intel 13th 14th gen.
this is untrue btw, post the actual failure rate stats.

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>>108006273
what now?

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>nvidiots doing whataboutism posting random plebbit threads of people who got a 9070 xt with a factory defect to deflect from 12vhpr being a disaster on rtx cards
https://www.dsogaming.com/articles/heres-what-happened-to-the-12vhpwr-power-cable-of-our-nvidia-rtx-4090-after-two-years-of-continuous-work/
Meanwhile here is the reality of owning a 4090 or 5090. Pic related was connected properly everything done right and this is the degradation that happened after two years of regular use. You can imagine it will be even worse on the 5090 which draws significantly more power. All these cards will be dead in 4 years with melted connectors, nice "investment"

>>108006345
You linked a reddit post with 0 upvotes. One failure out of millions of cards is nothing.

>>108006399
you are replying to an indian tranny schizo shill.
god damn 4chan needs to add country flags to all boards

>>108006345
Commonally here seems to be the PSU. Don't cheap out on a PSU no matter what GPU you have. Every fucking component plugs into it. All these dead 9800X3Ds because their MOBO/Socket fries from bad amps delivered from PSU.

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>>108006345
>underclocked
We've been over this before shill. There is no such thing as "underclocked" 9070 XT's. Pic related is the reference clocks from AMD. No 9070 XT is running clocks lower than this.

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>>108006425

The rays with twice as many traces burn twice as many cards.

>>108006442
>>108006425
https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_steel_nomad_dx12/submissions/5957076
Highest hwbot verified steel nomad score for the 9070 XT was done with an asus prime, on air no less. Kill yourself

What types of game benefit from a 16Gb jump to 32Gb (DDR4)? I close everything before a gaming session so no Steam Overlay/Gamebar/Discord/Web Browser running in the background.

>>108006453
Wow, that's wild.
Imagine how much higher he could get on a card that isn't underclocked.
Admittedly though, nobody is really benchmarking these midrange cards.

>>108000425

>>108006347
Why would I pretend to complain about a product, and then explain the issue is overblown?
I have better things to do. Not everyone is as sad as you.

>>108006032
i want to have so much sex with konata

why does pc building attract so many mentally ills as shown by this general?

What are some good cases that just have pins to connect the panels?
I hate magnetic panels

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>>108006016
I just played the Nioh 3 demo with DLSS 4.5 Preset L and holy fuck is good

>>108006492
Ryzen 5600 is the bare minimum CPU to get these days.
I would get more memory capacity if you're getting paid to render things on Blender.

>>108006586
>81 gigabytes for a demo

nigga what

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>>108006604
Is an open world game, i'm also hoping its the full game and we get an early crack

>>108006621
It wont be the full, look at RotR's game size
This one has more than that

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>>108006553

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>>108006453
>hwbot verified
Real HWBot enthusiasts don't waste their time posting 9070 XT records on that website.
That's not the highest Steel Nomad DX12 record either; The highest 3DMark validated record is held by a Gigabyte 9070 XT.
https://www.3dmark.com/sn/6605127

Let's also not pretend your shitbin + default vBIOS 9070 XT ASUS Prime is capable of hitting anywhere near those numbers.
You already showed your score before (7826), not even a Legendary.

>>108006553
>>108006654
This but with the teacher

>>108006308
I have this exact GPU model for 10 months daisy chained to a 3-year old RM750. I play several hours a day--a lot of those games pushing GPU load to 100%. I've never had any problem whatsoever. This has to be a skill issue because, with 3 8-pin cable connections, there is more than enough headroom for the 304W the card pulls. I even monitored the connections on both the PSU and GPU side with a thermal camera--everything looked perfect.

>>108006662
i wonder if 24 core raptor lake still holds the performance crown on 3dmark physics with arrow lake and 16 core zen 5 in the mix... i doubt it.

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hey I have a RX 7600, has AMD said ANYTHING about their stupid fucking adrenaline drivers overclocking my GPU as their default with max clocks wildly above what my xfx 308 RX 7600 can handle?

>>108006817
Modern GPUs have a built-in dynamic boost algorithm that will push the core frequency as high as possible if there's enough thermal & power delivery headroom to do so.
Pic is the boost range of the reference RX 7600; your XFX might boost a bit higher.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7600/39.html

AMD Radeon's boost algo is rather loose, so some people have to downlock the maximum boost frequency to prevent their GPUs from boosting too high (which cause crashes).

Flustered over me singing 16 gb of ram

Considering getting a single stick of puskill of 32 GB instead

I have an 9070 xt now lol

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>>108006858
>Pic

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>>108006858
>>108006872
so I think that frequency is wrong because if I leave AMD adrenaline as is, whenever it gets under load (like, just playing normal Helldivers 2), it will crash and turn off my whole computer. The moment I set the max clock on AMD Adrenaline to something like 2250 mhz, which is the default game clock for my RX 7600, the game runs perfectly for as long as I want. I know this "crash the whole system on base settings" isn't normal because I was also running Helldivers 2 on a GTX 1060 a week ago and it was running fine for hours of gameplay without crashing, so either this AMD card is worse than a 1060 in its base spec or AMD Adrenaline is setting the max clock of my card way above it should be and not understanding that should be for burst loads

>still no good KDE desktop besides bazzite

KDE is the only serious competitor to windows desktop, so why isnt there any good ones.

Its all jeeted or snap infested like kubuntu. Where is just a clean flatpak KDE desktop where discover just werks.

It doesnt exist.

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bros are SSDs the next thing to jump up %200 in price

>>108006923
You don't have to downclock the GPU that extremely; you might as well get a refund on that card if that's the case.
I would set a -150 ~ -100 MHz maximum boost clock offset using Adrenaline to see if that's stable.
I don't own a Radeon card to help you in detail, but you might want to lower the Maximum Frequency (%) slider for the GPU core to around 95%.
https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/faqs/DH3-020.html

Keep lowering the maximum GPU frequency (%) in 2~3% decrements until the games are stable.

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>>108006866
>9070 xt

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>>108006923
>Helldivers 2
had to dig this one out of the archive

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>MAINGEAR launches Retro98 desktops
bestest lookin retro computer case

>>108006979
AI servers probably chew through the SSD's write endurance.

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>>108006866
will you now participate in the defense/takedown of the most controversial gpu (for some reason) of current gen like a faggot or will you simply use your graphical accelerator to play god damn video games?

The choice is yours...

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>>108007027
RDNA3 is a buggy GPU generation, no matter what these bag holders try to say about their bad purchase.
That's why laptop OEMs use RDNA 3.5 on higher-end products; it fixed the power efficiency issues for starters.

Best NON mechanical keyboards?

AMD already threw a bone to latam with the 5500x3d.
could fucking nvidia do the same?

>>108007053
>MLID
Kys

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I have a really expensive PC and it's being cooled with this type of liquid cooling fan. Not this exact model but it's from the same company

With how expensive PC parts are becoming thanks to AI, like RAM, SSD drives, and GPUs, I am VERY worried at the idea that my cooler might one day break and leak all over my PC and I'd have to replace it for 3x the price

I did the math and I've had this liquid cooler for 2.8 years. How long should I wait before I replace it with a new cooler? Should I even worry about it failing and ruining my PC? The cooler is right above my GPU

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>>108007027
>>108006989
so I'd agree with you if only I didn't have a friend who is the one who recommended me the RX 7600 and has a XFX 208 model and didn't just start experiencing the exact same issue as I have and being able to fix it with the exact same way

these are the official specs of my card. Setting the max clock to 2250 mhz fixes all issues I have with it but for some reason AMD adrenaline sets the max clock to 2850mhz and makes it crash my system

>>108006592
>Ryzen 5600 is the bare minimum CPU to get these days
In what regard--minimum system requirements, or bottlenecking? Even with my use case? I thought the 3600 and 5600 were pretty close with respect to features; instruction sets and all that technical jizz.
>memory capacity if you're getting paid to render things on Blender
I do not; It's just an amateur thing.

What about the rest of my build, like my choice of motherboard? Will an RX 480 suffice for now so I can allocate more towards the CPU and RAM if need be?

How much should I expect to spend, assuming I dip into the used market? Not sure if it'd be worth it though; I don't know how reliable tech bought secondhand is. I feel like some sellers would be inclined to lie about something critical just to get shit off their hands. At least with eBay you get buyer's protection.

>>108007226
you are agreeing with me, you downclocked the card to base clock
you're losing like 20% FPS
no problem with that if you just want it to work but AMD sold you a defective product

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>>108007208
MLID was one of the biggest RDNA3 cheerleaders, even he couldn't avoid the fact that something went wrong with that trash heap of a GPU generation.
Retards bought it anyway because it's not an NVIDIA GPU.

So, apparently both Nvidia and AMD are cutting production of their 8gb cards which means accessibility of entry level products is going to be almost impossible now?

I know 8gb is bad from an enthusiast perspective, but it's still fine for less intense use

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>>108007246
>people whining about 8gb even 4 years ago
and 6 years from now people will still be whining about $500 8gb gpus. It never ends does it? 8gb purgatory...

>>108007251
WELL DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY WILL INCREASE ORDERS FOR 12GB THUS MAKING IT CHEAPER DUE TO LARGER VOLUMES, YER OR NO????

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>>108007226
>but for some reason AMD adrenaline sets the max clock to 2850mhz and makes it crash my system
That's AMD Radeon's wonky GPU boost algorithm.
Set a negative offset to cap the maximum boost clock to 2700MHz.
If the video card is still crashing from running Helldivers 2, that's just part of owning a buggy GPU.

Are prebuilts worth it or nah? Want something higher end (ish) and live near a Microcenter. Not really sure what to buy now with the with the price increases everywhere. I have a singular 1080p 180hz monitor and have not really played anything in a while so idk what to get. I want something good enough for productivity and gaming but also not too expensive (technically "no" budget but lower is better). Idk if I should wait till nova lake + 60 series or just get something now and then resell to upgrade.

>>108007280
Lol no dummy the point is everything gets worse

>>108007304
>nova lake + 60 series
This was my plan, however, I suspect both of those things to be delayed and sadder than hoped. So I went with current gen

>>108007226
did you update adrenaline to the latest version? it tanked my fps and some games were nigh unplayable so i had to roll back

>>108007336
im building new in 2030. Built just last year. That's the 5-year cadence i've decided on.
Now i could probably use my current build even beyond 2030 no issue but that's also part of the cadence, it assumes i might be stuck with my build for several years because *insert stupid retard hardware bubble* as soon as i plan to upgrade. If not for that provision, hell, i'd wait until 2032 or 2033.

>>108007304
Since I will probably be paying for the nvidia tax, am I really getting cucked by 12gb vram on the 5070 vs the 5060ti or nah? ~$100 difference but it's not just for games. I want to try blender, animation and gamedev and have not really touched AI.

>>108007336
Damn, I was really excited for the monster L3 cache along with any boost that the 60 series would give and would have an excuse to splurge on a monster pc that would hopefully last until it broke down. What did you buy?

>>108007257
Once Chinese fabs are up, so long as the cartel doesn't get the US to invade China (lol), the prices will plummet.

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Well, I've had the dust filters installed for one day so far, and I have to say, big fan (no pun intended).
Mesh is good quality and quite fine without being too restrictive, much better than the original stuff Corsair used.

>>108007341
I'm using a rolled back version right now but even then this issue still occurs. it seems to be just default AMD Adrenaline behaviour

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>>108007251
Intel celestial will save us, i think nvidia will be fine but overpriced though, they are having different strategies for different markets but in general they need to still be able to sell some level of consumer gpus to keep their cuda dominance on the local AI and open source models which most researchers and students use, worst case is that you'll see them selling 5050s and 3060 thjat use DDR6

>5080 miku at $2000+
jeez

>>108007382
A weeb and his money are soon departed.

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>paying high prices for tech

How is air cooling vs water cooling anyway?
Was considering swapping over to air now that im building a fresh pc

>>108007394
people paid so much more before the dot com and it was all for shit that became WORTHLESS within 2 years. We not only pay less but we know our shit will stay relevant for like, what, a decade?

People are so spoiled. Or maybe "people" since i assume it's mostly poor third-worlders whining.

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>>108007394
After Blackwell launched and it was widely avaliable at msrp and everyone was complaining it was overpriced i argued they were actually the cheapest a gpu that powerful would ever be

>>108007452
It was fine during the brief windows that it was available for MSRP, but it launched high and now it's blown up again.

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>laid off, living off savings
>still want to upgrade my 10 yr old PC
>new RAM prices are insane
>decide to buy used parts on ebay
>buy 16GB DDR4 RAM for $55
>buy better CPU for $50
>while unscrewing the CPU cooler, hear something break
>PC does not boot
>try to return parts from ebay
>sorry anon, you have to pay 20% of the price to get it returned since it's not our fault

PCs are often bought with upgrade paths in mind, but it's almost never worth it to upgrade after 10 years or so. used goods are often priced close to MSRP. holy fuck i hate myself.

>>108007476
>>while unscrewing the CPU cooler, hear something break
doesn't make any sense

>>108007476
Which part did you break?

>>108007498
it's almost like the post was ai generated nicospam

>>108007353
Last 5090 best buy has in stock and a 285k

>>108007498
>>108007501
yeah, i have no clue how it happened, but mobo seems dead. it won't boot from the old CPU either.

also the old coolermaster hyper 212 for LGA 1151 is a pain in the ass to use. i don't know if the design improved in newer models, but it always takes a lot of trial and error to get the mount screwed on the motherboard properly.

>>108007466
>brief windows
$2000 5090 FE was accessible through NVIDIA's priority access offer until September or October of last year.
The rest of the RTX 50 cards were near/below MSRP during the past holiday sales.
>Not in my region
Not my problem.

>>108007522
the 212 is a piece of shit and is known for its dog crap mounting mechanism

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https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/amd-600-series/x670-x870-resource-thread/m-p/1136801/highlight/true#M11404

there's literally a new bios every single day

>>108007522
You might have had to evenly unscrew the CPU cooler's mounting bracket, one full rotation at a time.
Maybe the tension left on one side caused a crack in the board.
Hope you pull through all this.

>>108007543
it's still dogshit? man i feel like it cost me my motherboard and this whole upgrade dream.

>>108007522
reset the cmos battery and try again

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>>108007556

>>108007562
your pc is e-waste and upgrading it is a waste of money at this point tbqh. Common trap people fall into though.

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yeah I am going to throw the towel.
I will wait one or two years and see the offers on gaming laptops instead of being a living price bot.
live is too short to be doing this, imma play ps2 games instead.

>>108007570
yeah i feel buying a high end PC is an act of masturbation unless you're doing some serious work requiring high compute. always should go for budget range parts because everything turns to ewaste in 8 years with no viable upgrade path anyway. still bitter my first PC died like this.

>>108007563
already tried

>>108007560
thanks bro

>>108007401
It depends on how power hungry the processors are and how hard they're going to be utilized.
Air cooling is fine for PC gamers who don't fuck around with manual CPU OCs and the various torture tests that follow it.
You might want to go with liquid cooling if your workloads demand constantly high CPU utilization.

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>r595 already
>r600 probably in the next few months
they are trying to distance themselves from the r570 shit show

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>>108005927
Not sure if this is the place to ask, but I recently upgraded my friend's GPU from a GTX2060 to a 6750XT and it's been great for most things, but he's now getting FPS drop in FFXIV when he used to get almost solid 60.
His CPU is a 2600, but that wasn't an issue before. Strange thing is that neither the CPU or GPU seem to be at 100% load, and unless it goes up to 4K native, lowering the resolution gets the same FPS.

I saw after doing some searching that FFXIV might push some stuff onto the CPU if it isn't using an Nvidia GPU, but should that mean the CPU load is higher?

>>108007609
I wasnt planning on overclocking my new 9800x3d, but I do hear it just runs hot and CV2 does use the cpu a lot
The watercooling leaking shit now got me paranoid

>>108007657
Short of saying >amd have you checked windows power settings? Make sure it's all high performance

>>108007657
when exactly does the fps drop?

>>108007657
it's just typical AMD DX11 overhead
i remember doing some testing with the dawntrail benchmark on a 6800 XT and it was getting like 30% higher score on linux

not sure what to look for in a 14600K mobo, went to a few sites and they seem in a consensus about the ASUS ROG Strix Z790, but goddam thats a $520 pricetag
whats the difference from the much cheaper ASUS B760 or TUF GAMING?

>>108007694
no need for such an expensive board for a 14600K
DDR4 or DDR5?

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>>108007686
Player dense areas. Googling that GPU, it should be reaching over 100fps at 1080p. No idea what the issue is.

>>108007702
going for DDR5
theyre expensive as all hell, but i'm not looking to upgrade again for a long while

>>108007725
>Player dense areas.
cpu, make sure xmp is enabled and rebar on bios

>>108007725
Are you sure all the game settings are the same? Maybe reset them to be sure?

>>108007747
I'd get an affordable Z790 board like the TUF if you want full access to the CPU tuning features.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/s3cG3C/asus-tuf-gaming-z790-plus-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-tuf-gaming-z790-plus-wifi

>>108007748
>rebar
That CPU's too old for SAM/ReBAR. The lack of SAM shouldn't cost too much performance either.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/394980/how-to-turn-on-amds-smart-access-memory-for-faster-gaming-performance.html

>>108007748
That was my first thought, but like I said before, the CPU had no issues with the 2060. Could the changed to an AMD gpu caused issues with CPU?

>>108007750
Everything was on high before, I've tried lowering a bunch of settings and it doesn't help

>>108007793
If you're still getting these issues on low settings the only thing I can think of that the other Anon didn't mention is try rolling back to an earlier driver to see if things have changed?

>>108007747
max DDR5 speed will be limited by the board
but if you're sticking to like 6000-6400 you can get whatever (maybe avoid low-end B660/B760s)
no reason to limit yourself to ASUS boards either
>>108007779
agreed
no BIOS flashback on this board btw
but the 14600K should boot even with incompatible microcode since it has the same core layout as the 13600K

>>108007793
make sure you dont have radeon chill enabled on adrenaline

>>108007779
thanks for the recommendation, was eyeballing the TUF pretty hard
>>108007809
i will be sticking to 6400, i havent overclocked anything before and dont believe i'll be doing any in the future either. ive been leaning heavy into ASUS since thats the manufacturer i've always used, and am currently using now on my very dated 1070Ti-based rig

>>108006817
No refunds

>>108007725
tried googling it and turns out ffxiv is just a huge mess, try using different gfx apis, d9, vulkan, etc

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>>108007839
get the TUF then
i have the DDR4 version of that board, it's more than enough for a 14600K

i would do the following after you get the board
>update the BIOS (obviously)
>enable XMP (obviously)
>set AI tweaker > SVID behavior to auto
>set AI tweaker > DIGI+ VRM > CPU load-line calibration to level 5
>set AI tweaker > DIGI+ VRM > synch ACDC loadline with VRM loadline to enabled
>set AI tweaker > thermal velocity boost > TVB voltage optimizations to enabled
should reduce your average voltage and power/temperatures quite a bit
this is all 100% within intel spec, you aren't overclocking or undervolting anything
the new BIOSes just overvolt by default because people are still running old degraded CPUs

>>108007922
thanks for the in-depth info, anon
i'll be waiting a few months before buying the memory and GPU, maybe i'll get lucky with pricing

>>108007522
>>108007593
its ok anon, you still got a fully functional pc outside your mobo, i know it looks rough at the moment but remember that you are one component away from having a functional pc even if you cant get one right now

>>108007956
lmao yeah hopefully it goes down at some point
i wouldn't have any problem with buying used RAM either if that's the only sane option left

Should I just get an air cooler to see if "itll do?"

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>>108007626
r600 is a pretty big milestone in terms of branches, it should come with both the framwork to support new shader model 6.9 and DXIL 1.9 which is targetting a release for 02/23 https://github.com/microsoft/DirectXShaderCompiler/issues/8091

But also support the dynamic frame gen update to DLSS which they plan to showcase at computex

>>108008000
all of that is coming in r595. in fact there's already a 595 beta driver with SM 6.9

is the 9850x3d worth it if i was going to buy the 9800x3d?

>>108008053
no
its actually pretty insane launch with how bad it is

If I want to look out for deals on the used market to save some money, but still want to act fast before prices rise any more than they already have; what component should have the most urgency in buying?

>>108008053
if you don't have either then sure, get the 9850x3d
worst case if you get a bad one, you could just underclock it and still have a more efficient 9800x3d

>>108008053
>9850x3d worth it
Only if you're an OCing enthusiast, you won't feel the performance difference from a 9800X3D.
AMD didn't bin the I/O die btw (no one does), there are instances where people are getting shittier memory controllers than their 9800X3D.

>>108008053
buy the 9850x3d and run it without overclocking and undervolt it as hard as you can, you can probably get 5.4ghz at 1v with that bin

>>108008081
Ram then storage
GPU increases are coming but there are plenty of options both on the new and used market

>>108008108
HUB's was using 1.25 volts at 5.35ghz
I don't think you'll be able to undervolt theirs below 1.15v and maintain stability

>>108008113
techpowerup was running theirs at -35 undervolt all cores stable

>>108008120
The r/overclocking redditor who got one early could only do -10 on his

>>108007029
>clearly inspired by pc from win3.0 era
>called retro98
>winxp wallpaper

when are they going to stop making retarded glass cases? back when it was acrylic at least we could cut it and install fans, but can't cut tempered glass, all the trannies that treat pcs as a toy to look at instead of a machine to compute deserve jihad

>>108007029
>psu shroud
thats a meme

>>108008110
What about CPUs and motherboards? RAM and flash storage makes sense.

I also heard talk about PSUs rising in price, but I feel like price hikes with anything outside of components that have flash chips in them, is a consequence of mass panic buying.

Might as well get it over now. Lesson learned.

>>108008208
a cpu shortage is coming
amd/intel are planning to cut consumer cpu production for the next few quarters to prioritize server cpus because of the upcoming inference cycle

>>108005927
>XG27AQWMG
Why this one in particular?

>>108008208
>is a consequence of mass panic buying
It's more due to the rising raw material cost. Consumer hardware manufacturers are competing against the data center hardware demand.
>These products depend on raw materials like copper, silver, and tin, which are critical for both PSUs and CPU coolers, leading to an anticipated cost increase of at least 6% for manufacturers with standard contract commitments.
https://www.techpowerup.com/345062/power-supplies-and-cpu-coolers-are-next-for-price-hikes-6-10-increase-expected

The price of silver's been shooting up.

>>108008255
True Black Glossy screen finish + Display HDR True Black 500 certified (higher brightness than older OLED panels).
It's not perfect btw, it has some gray uniformity issues.

There are also a few new OLED monitors with true RGB subpixels announced @ CES, but they're not available yet.

wake me up when there are tb 1000 32" 6k oled monitors

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7800X3D sisters.....not like this. We didnt spend $430 to be surpassed.

>>108008324
9600x dips hard...

>>108008278
>gray uniformity issues.
how much of a problem is this really?
and man... buying OLED = pick your poison. makes me wonder if it's actually worth it.

>>108008208
I would never buy a used CPU, but used motherboards are extremely plentiful and you should be able to find them eventually

>>108008340
fr. i bought a used 5800x3d recently and it had all sorts of damage on the substrate on both sides
im never buying used am4 ever again desu

>>108008340
Also I realize I didn't answer your question about PSUs:
The barrier of entry required to turn sand into magic is unbelievably substantial and bottlenecked by a very few wizards capable of performing the basic magics.
The barrier of entry to take zappy and turn it into slightly different forms of zappy is such that if prices ever spiraled too far out of control like they are doing with memory, new players would enter the game at a substantially more rapid rate due to the lower initial investments.

So do corsair still compensate your broken parts if their AiO leaks over your pc?

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>>108008327
7800X3D sisters.....
Here's another benchmark. Why should I spend $250+ more for at best 5-10% more performance.

I got a 9600X, Wooden tempered glass case, AIO cooler for $180. New egg is literally giving these fuckers away with all kinda of bundles.

And in games that really like 3d v cache like baldurs gate 3 which is just a cope for unoptimized garbage, will I really notice a difference between 180fps vs 230fps? I don't care if I have the "fastest gaming CPU" at 4K which is the future they perform the same and if its 160fps+ its more than good enough.

>>108008357
i bought a 7800x3d for $360 back in the day and sold it for $390 when the 9800x3d came out
im not sure who's paying $430 for a 7800x3d these days, probably nobody

>>108008367
It's $400 new on newegg and amazon right now lol. With tax over $400 at least. Way too much for a meme CPU when nearly all games will hit 200fps+.

>>108008357
That dip though.

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>>108008383
Just a fluke. Probably using a shitty version 1.0 of windows 11 which has been known to have bad frametimes and shit performance on AMD.

Here's what happens when a white man and not a street shittin jeet benchmarks it.

7800X3D sisters....did we waste our munies?

https://youtu.be/enN5JoDPZT8

>>108008367
Where do you sell your used stuff?

>>108008407
I use a local version of craigslist and do meetups
I live in a safe, nigger-free country though

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>Use a jeet engine for a game
>Get jeet engine performance

>>108008435
im sure cdpr will fix ue5 streaming issues by 2028

>Pulsar monitor ttalks
>Some schizos prefer it to 500hz oled, 600hz tn zowie
>Some people say it's not worth
>Some other people prefer 600hz tn with no sync tech no nothing because muh latency
>no clear consensus what is better
>Everyone is a retard as always
>Always test it yourself(tm)
I fucking hate "people" so much it's unreal

>>108008510
>Some people say it's not worth
Those would be the spec sheet stacies I presume
even before this, people preferred having a 240hz zowie with anti blur over a 360 or 480hz display so there is more value in having anti blur tech over stupid high hz that smears in motion

>>108008340
>I would never buy a used CPU
Why's that? I assume it has to do with concerns regarding prolonged high temperatures without adequate cooling. I remember seeing that 3600s were failing because of that.

So CPU and PSU I buy new--PSU at least--and mb, RAM, GPU, and other system components aside from flash storage I can get away with buying used? Has anyone ever been burned by used RAM? I suppose I can always run memtest on the sticks and return them if they fail.

>>108008510
are you an esport player or why do you consider buying an expensive ips monitor?

>>108008340
>>108008530
I've bought used 9900ks' 10850k's 10900k's and they were all fine. It depends on the specific cpu model IMO
You probably only want to avoid used am4 cpus because of the pins and how the cpu often sticks to the cooler on removal which leads to damage like >>108008232

>>108008551
>which leads to damage like
meant to quote >>108008345

>the retard graph spammer doesn't know some games care more about 3d cache than other
even in his cherry picked examples the 9600x is getting absolutely raped with the fps drops lol

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>he didn't boughted a 5060 Ti or 5070 Ti

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these are my current builds
desktop:
>cpu: 5600x
>gpu: 6700xt
>ram: 128gb ddr4
server:
>cpu: i5-4690k
>gpu: none
>ram: 32gb ddr3
unused:
>32gb ddr4 (2x16)
>16gb ddr3 (4x4)

is it worth it to upgrade my home server to am4? i was thinking
>buy 5800x3d ($200) and am4 motherboard ($100-$200)
>replace server with 5600x and new motherboard
>use 5800x3d in desktop
>use 4690k cpu/mobo for a new system for tinkering
>maybe save a little power to offset the coast of the new cpu/mobo
thoughts?

>>108008551
>avoid used am4 cpus
I was actually looking to do a budget AM4 build. Won't make much of a difference, I don't think, since prices for individual CPUs (the ones I was looking at anyway) are more or less the same as retailers--maybe a difference of like $10 or so, but then there's shipping. I guess I'll just buy new then.

Are motherboard+CPU combos a no-go too?

>>108008520
I would say the most posts regarding pulsar I would say it's an overwhelming majority people glazing it compared to oled or tn though, atleast 80-90%
some retards even think it's just basic strobing too unaware of what it even is, hate people so much retards talking without even knowing what they are talking about

>people preferred having a 240hz zowie with anti blur over a 360
that most mostly the tn panel though, most cs players did not even use strobing because of muh latency, plus early 360 monitors were ips and they were just slower than tn

>480hz
that was oled tns were 540hz anyway

>in having anti blur tech over stupid high hz that smears in motion
500hz tn with strobing or not it's gonna be pretty clear though there was just a preference for tn, now you have oled which is even faster at the same or close hz so

pulsar will be clearer full screen top to bottom but have more latency compare to uncapped 600hz maybe? I guess
people are even sperging out over lcd having more latency than oled

anyway, very much misinformation and copes from all angels and retards everywhere

>>108008546
claritymaxxing without brute forcing fps seems like a fun thing, wonder of / if 60hz strobing is bad too
the thing is for comp you want higher fps and hz and strobing becomes less effective the higher fps hz you have so strobing is actually better in lower fps so does not make sense it's pure competitive

>>108008571
But baldurs gate 3 9600x beat out the 7800X3D how is it cherry picked. also FPS drops and low 1% is not the CPU's fault its winblows 11 fault. Use linux and it just werks.

Do you have buyers remorse? If I get 180fps+ on every single game I play why do I need a 7800X3D that is $250 more and gets at most 10% more FPS.

I will never spend $400+ on a CPU new.

>>108008599
eh youd get best clarity/image quality using 5090, frame gen and high hz oled monitor

>>108008530
Ultimately, CPUs are the easiest thing to hide damage in much like a used car that could turn on in the parking lot and die the next day. A lot of the other components can be easily tested and if they check out okay at the time they will likely last very long time whereas a CPU could have been run very hard and be on its last legs without you ever knowing until it's too late, plus I haven't usually seen a lot of savings on those at least where I'm located versus new

>>108008632
There is literally no moving parts on a CPU unlike GPU and PSU, and there isn't any capacitors that can deteriorate over time, only way to kill a CPU fast is to overclocking and overvolting it on a regular basis for years, which is also a possibility on an used GPU.
If used normally, a second hand CPU might be more reliable than a second hand GPU due to absence of fans and caps.

>>108008719
Precisely and how are you going to determine if it was used normally or not?

>>108008741
Most people don't OC their CPU on regular basis, even miners, they abuse their GPUs instead.
Just check where you buy, if it's from your average Joe selling his used PC parts, it should be fine.

1440p 360 hz or 4k 240 hz monitor for a 9800x3d + 5070 ti combo?

>>108008081
The used market is a time sink.
Also computer components are one of the worst used markets.
If you ever bought used stuff before, you would know that you can casually buy stuff for half the price of the on-sale price of stuff you see in brick and mortar stores (at least for amazon, you can use sites like camelcamelcamel to track down the history of prices).
You just wont save that much money from used parts, on average, ebay gives 30% discounts, and facebook marketplace has all the risk, but sometimes you find something for half price (but it's always a previous gen parts, or if you are lucky, you are buying something stolen, but I think stores have started locking everything now so it's pretty hard to steal high value parts these days).
The problem of course with building your own PC is that it's hard to find what is the best bang per buck PC you could find at the current moment, and this current moment kind of sucks, you will pay 20% more on your PC if you buy a PC right now, please wait 1 year and maybe buy a next gen PC with ddr6 (it will be overpriced, unless you wait 2+ years).
Ultra poverty used 1080p GPU's are very good value and destroy $1500 handheld gaming PC's (the new intel pantherlake x9 388h is about as good as a 1660 super/TI, and you can buy the 1660 s/ti for less than $100).
A more expensive GPU is a worthless risk when it's only a 30% discount (in cost per frame). You lose the warranty that usually lasts 3 years.
If you don't want to be fucked by ram prices, and you want to be fucked by something else, you could buy a AI max 385, a 5060/9070 will get 50% more FPS and the AI max is still a bit more expensive, but you got 32gb of ram (shared with your GPU). The price only went up by 40$. You still need a case, PSU, nvme SSD, and 120mm fan. You will not get FSR 4, and you only get 1 year of warranty. It's quiet, it's 100 watts when a normal PC with the same power should be using 200 watts.

>>108008778
4k is probably more reasonable in the dlss era

>>108008339
The gray uniformity issues vary by monitor a bit; it's enough to be a deal breaker for some buyers to return it.
I'd buy a discounted 3rd-gen QD-OLED since that ASUS Tandem WOLED monitor costs $650, and true RGB subpixel OLED panels will be out later this year or early '27.
There are 0 end-game OLED monitors available today.

>>108005927
Are used motherboards worth buying at all or nah? I wanted to get a X870E board.

What cooler should I get for my 9800x3d?

>>108008800
lf 3

>>108008778
I have the same combo and I'm going for 1440p.

>>108008777
To each their own the risk is low I agree but it's not worth it in my book

>>108008799
no such thing as a bad product, only bad prices and being scammed and no warranty.
if you are too poor to afford being scammed, just don't buy it.

>>108008807
Then?

>>108008852
huh

>>108008821
That’s where I’m leaning, but as >>108008790 said, dlss makes 4k tempting.
I play both story and comp games, I’m torn

>>108008800
I ended up going with Nautilus 360 to match my case, was close to going Arctic LFIII

>>108008615
let's unpack this statement
highest oled monitor currently is 540 1440p or 720hz 720p
oled is quoted as like 1.5x more clear than lcd in equal refresh rate, strobing lcd is a quote 4x clarity increase

540 oled x1.5= 810hz effective lcd clarity
720 oled x1.5=1080hz effective lcd clarity

360hz pulsar = 1440hz effective clarity
240hz pulsar = 960hz

so even in the best possible circumstance with 720hz locked it does not beat 360hz pulsar

image quality better on oled, ok, clarity? can't be

you also need to fg every game and everything below, pulsar will also work down to 24fps content and movies once the patch drops, so you can watch cinematic goyslop at a strobed 24fps double strobed
and 60hz youtubes

so yeah

>>108008778
240hz oled is not clear enough, try it, but if you want 4k yeah no other option
if going 1440p either pulsarmaxx or 540hz oledmaxx

>>108008794
true rgb will be pretty dim too as a downside it's over

>>108008880
oled gives you higher contrast
pulsar gives you ips

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>>108005964
Wow you paid over 5k for a gpu thats literally going to be obsolete in a year aren't you just a low temp IQ faggot keep sucking that kike cock cunt

>>108008880
>540 oled x1.5= 810hz effective lcd clarity
>720 oled x1.5=1080hz effective lcd clarity
is it even possible to run such high hz locked in modern games? seems like even small issues like windows or drivers will make it dip

>technically have all the parts
>too nervous to build it
I wish I could turn off the little voice that keeps saying the AiO will leak and break everything

>>108008973
You can!
Just buy an air cooler :^)

>>108008998
I've been scouring info nonstop for the past 3 hours to figure out if that would even be viable on a 9800x3d
I honestly still cant tell

>>108008973
Return the AIO and get a Thermalright or be Quiet air cooler for peace of mind.
You should check whether all the parts you bought are in working condition during the product return period
It's much easier to deal with retailers vs. manufacturers' RMA.

>>108008973
how do people like you function in society

>>108009006
Thermalright coolers are fine for that CPU under gaming loads.
Get the be Quiet Pure Rock Pro 3 if you want something with better fans that doesn't cost too much money.
The Thermalright will keep the 9800X3D slightly cooler because of the better coldplate design (more accommodating to AM4/5).

>>108009006
a big air cooler cools as well as 240mm aios so they're viable

>>108009042
I bought a thermalright cooler.
It rattles

>>108009018
You say this as if I function at all

>>108008926
eSlop like valorant sure minus the dips
that was the point
pulsar is from 24fps-360fps

>>108008890
better pq lesser motion quality
said that

>>108009042
You mean something like the peerless assassin?

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>>108009078
Something like that. Pic shows the 9800X3D temperature @ multithreaded Blender workload.
The chip will run cooler under gaming loads.
You may have to set manual fan curves in the BIOS and set a stricter CPU thermal throttling point (around 80~85°C) if you want to minimize the fan noise.

I swapped over from a Noctua NH-D15 (G1) to an AIO, no liquid leaking.

>>108009104
I was actually just looking at this guys stuff
below 60 degrees while gaming sounds fine to me, the benchmarks for air cooling is so unreliable because GN tests this shit outside a case as far as i can tell

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>>108009078
Phantom Spirit is newer.

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>>108009128

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>>108009170
>>108009128
Here is their latest chart from a few days ago

Soon 8gb will be as expensive as 16gb cards or more.
The Rape hasn't even begun.

>>108009170
>>108009184
It's within reach of liquid cooling without being too loud, they sell on Amazon for like $35, I'd say it's a really good deal.

>>108009104
This guy's results seem abnormally low.

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I have a neat topic I want to bring up for discussion with the gen. With the advent of stuff like Nvidia Pulsar monitors, what's the end-user experience..."crossover" between a display's Hz and the perception of motion blur from strobing? CRTs of course have the clearest motion clarity of most available display technologies, but from an input latency perspective, I'd wonder if modern high refresh rate OLED displays could manage to output the more responsive result. Sure, you can get some CRTs to 85Hz or higher if you drop the resolution, but even if the image in motion is smoother, how can we react to it in the same way if it doesn't come on screen as quickly due to a lower refresh rate? Mind you, this is assuming you're maintaining the target cap without 1% dips below that. Pulsar/LCD tech with better strobing that doesn't fuck up brightness is still in the works, so I feel that's more theoretical.

>>108008779
*Oh I forgot to mention cost per frame just requires you to find a game you want to play (the reason for upgrading your PC) and taking to cost of the CPU / GPU and dividing it by the FPS, then the lower the number the cheaper it is. Ideally stick to same benchmarking site and note the nuance (for GPU's, benchmarks typically use ultra presets, your FPS will be much higher on DLSS / low settings, and the graphics will be fine. For CPU's it's common for it to be matched with a 4090/5090 and 1080p. And note that benchmarks can be misleading if you pay attention to the CPU / GPU / vram utilization, if you are looking for CPU performance, the GPU should be as close to 0% usage as possible and vice versa).

>>108009279
And I forgot the URL to the AI max 385 that I was talking about (it's around $1200 if you get a 2tb SSD, $100 cheaper if you don't)
https://frame.work/products/framework-desktop-mainboard-amd-ryzen-ai-max-300-series?v=FRAFMK0002

>>108009128
>>108009170
>>108009184
I know it says 175w, is that for the 9800x3d then?
OC'd or something?
Either way, thank you so much, this saves me the headache of the worst shit happening(which it will, knowing my luck) and saves me a bunch of money which can go to the emergency GPU fund
This also means I can go look for another case while im at it, one with better airflow since thats now more important

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>>108009288
Heavily threaded applications can draw 160W, gaming only pulls under 100W in most circumstances.

>>108009339
I see
Honestly most of this stuff goes over my head, I only ready that since the 9800x3d has that cache shit strapped to the top, it tends to run hotter than non 3ds, hence why I was a bit concerned about thermals
My old pc has a 5900x and has an AiO, I figured it had been doing well still, but its getting old and im pretty sure its past the warranty, I hadnt been paying too much attention to temps until recently, so im not sure if that AiO has lost a bunch of water by now and is losing potency.
In addition to the whole leaking shit, I also figured it might be agood idea to have something without a life expectancy ticking down, not with the prices going up over time

>>108008609
i have a 14900k lol i don't really care how they compare but if you're going to blame all the drops on windows as if that makes the drops not exist you're just a retard.

>>108009386
fact of the matter is 6 cores is constrained in some games even on a perfectly sterile test bench, it's even worse on a real pc with background programs running. You want at least 8 cores these days especially if you plan to keep the cpu for longer than 2 years.

>>108009052
high end air has the same steady state t over ambient performance as a 240mm aio, but the aio will be far less spiky whereas the cpu on air will constantly shoot up and down in temp by a lot from the smallest jumps in utilization. How much this matters is up for debate and depends on your autism largely but I really like the soft ebbs and flows of my temps on liquid.

>Bought a 285k and 64GB of 8000MHz cu-dimms back in September
Looks like I made the right call, have ram for years.

What speaker/soundbar do you guys use?

>>108009480
What if I came over, unhinged my jaw and swallowed your ram sticks like herring?

>>108009494
I live in an apartment
Im not allowed to use speakers

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>>108009480
im rocking 96gb. I previously had 192gb and I kinda wish I'd kept it because 96gb occasionally gets a little bit tight for my use case. It does the job but I'd just like more legroom...

I just could nyot account for how much more memory these fuckers would cause the program to use with a patch last February...

>>108009495
Only if you give me a rimjob

>>108009494
Steel Series Arena 7
I like them a lot

>>108009494
a pair of pioneer bookshelf speakers powered by a chink sabaj class b dac/amp

>>108008592
You won't get a 5800x3d for that price.

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>>108009128
>>108009170
>>108009184
Lian Li GA II Lite chads we stay winning. I got the rgb version on sale during neweggs Black Friday sale. It did have a dead on arrival fan but the great support responded and got a replacement sent to me pretty fast.

>>108009598
Im happy with my NH-D15 G2.

Something about a thicc air cooler that just has soul.

>>108009502
Why is putting your legs in that position so comfy?

>>108009232
Cooler result testing has no standards. Does anyone else use 24C ambient? Serious question; what's even the standard for comparison? Then there's the question of whether it's 24C room ambient at the start or if there's an air conditioner pointed at the thing blowing a constant stream of cool air at it.

>>108008571
>>108008609
>>108009386
>>108009395
just disable core 0 and core 1. makes almost every shit running game run smooth.

>>108009339
>Chess
Huh? Is this just a video game of Chess?

>>108009248
>Pulsar/LCD tech with better strobing that doesn't fuck up brightness
pulsar does not lower brightness though

>>108009673
Stockfish chess engine calculating optimal moves.

>>108009660
wtf is happening in windows that makes running 7c/14t gives you better performance than 8c/16t

>>108009673
yeah and its supposedly as stressful as running y-cruncher

>>108009503
Not poster you were talking to but I'd gladly rim you and pay for the honor.

>>108009705
Oh, that makes more sense now.

>>108009717
>as stressful
It's more stressful according to that chart. The most stressful actually.

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>>108009717
Depends on the dataset size tbdesu. If it were running a multi-gb stockfish simulation it would draw a lot less power, but this is probably doing the bare minimum with, probably even less than 100mb. So it involves a lot of instructions looping around in caches saturating the execution units really well.

>>108009715
core 0/1 is like the core and his thread that the os runs on mainly. where all the important stuff happens. some games use them and get unstable frame times and frame rates. it's stupid. elden ring is one of them. i hate it. but what you gonna do?

>>108009006
I have a noctua air cooler. just last night i played a game for 10 hours straight and my 9950x3d was only about 10 degrees C over idle temp at the end, and in about 15 minutes it was back to normal

however i haven't done any overclocking, so i can't speak to its performance for that

>>108009781
10c over idle? Sounds like you were playing Stellaris or an MMO or something. That definitely wasn't Battlefield.

>>108008973
the number of AIO coolers that leak is minuscule
you probably have more chance of killing something with static :)

>>108009786
it was not, it was a game called 'the Alters', which i would suspect is more GPU intensive than CPU intensive. but it's a 'management' type game, which means lots of flags and variables being tracked constantly, so...i dunno. maybe i fucked up putting the thermal paste on.

Give me the best AIO for a 9800x3d.

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>>108009860
If it's got a lot of stuff being tracked like that I can basically guarantee a lot of it is serial code. Every variable is somehow tied to the rest meaning you can't multithread a simulation easily. Stellaris is also famously complex but most things happen on a single thread because you'll cause serious issues trying to separate them.

The most cpu heavy games are cpu heavy because they use the cpu to do things that can be easily parallelized such as physics or draw calls.

I miss SLI/Crossfire.

>>108009883
I just installed an arctic freezer 3 360mm yesterday and its pretty sweet. Only issue was I had to grind the corner off of one of the fans to clear my motherboards I/O shroud thing.

>>108009897
>has Now *waits forever*

>>108009902
>miss SLI/Crossfire
imbecil

>>108009950
I had a couple 8800 ultras at one point, two 390x, two 680s. Always looked badass and was fast af if the game used them right. Eventually did get fed up with things taking too much work to run right and stuck to single fast cards.

>>108009950
>>108009983
also at one point my friend and i both had two 390s in the same room and i was sleeping in his living room and got cold so i ran 3dmark on them both for a bit. Solved the problem nicely.

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>>108009983
>8800 ultra SLI
>390X crossfire
>GTX 680 SLI
>all combined cost less than a single 5090

>>108007228
3600 + 4060 is a fine starter combo. The only thing you don't want to cheapen out is your PSU: this duo can run on a 450W 80+ Bronze but the very day you want to upgrade your CPU or GPU this decision will come and haunt you back.

>>108009902
You could always get two 3090s and run them in SLI
It'd still be relatively modern and badass AF in the handful of ubisoft sloppa that supports it

>>108007228
Also if you intend to buy most of it second hand you'll have a better deal buying a whole rig. Don't know for Ebay but here on Vinted there's lot of people selling their whole AM4 setup because they switched to AM5 or the Intel equivalent. For a jump like that there's not much you can keep apart your GPU and maaaaaybe PSU. Since confidence is low for such items price are low or the ad has been online for few months and you can try to bargain your way in.

Once at home you have a handful of softwares to run and make sure everything is alright before you comfirm the sale. So if you have 48 hours return window you run AID64 for 30 minutes, extend to 2 hours if it went fine, then run OCCT for 4 hours. Once done you can run Prime95 for 24 hours to stress test the CPU, then MemTest86+ for the RAM, finally Unigine Superposition for the GPU.

>>108009802
There is a reason why my pc builds take 12 hours, its because to me its basically surgery

>>108009696
I'm not aware of all of Pulsar's capabilities outside the benefits of strobing possibly alongside VRR(?), but that's not really the focus of my topic. Rather, I'm trying to comprehend the two points:
>1. The difference in user experience between motion clarity/persistence of strobed images vs frame Hz differences
>2. The perception of latency in strobed displays between standard or moderate values (say 60Hz-90Hz range) vs higher ones (144Hz, 240Hz, 360hz, etc).
I suppose I'm having a hard time visualizing and contextualizing it when my only experience is CRTs over 20, 25 years ago and high Hz LCD displays now. I'm sensitive to frame dips and motion persistence, so when I hear claims like "60Hz on a CRT is like 240Hz on an LCD/OLED", it just sounds like the context is missing somewhere.

>>108007353
Anon your screen is 1080p and you haven't played shit in a while. You'll need 16Gb VRAM before you need the 5070's superior computing power. That plus the 5070 comes with the new meme 12 pins power cable that might represent not even 1% risk but the 5060 Ti has a good ole 8 pins power cable at certified 0% risk. At the end of the day you do you but I'll use the saved money from the 5060 Ti to buy a better CPU or more RAM.

so gsync used to introduce input delay, is that solved with these new pulsar monitors?

>>108010174
who gives a shit about the 3 to 5 ms. if you play comp you shouldn't be using it anyways. i diet would probably have a bigger impact on your performance.

rather homosexual that I am required to spend hundreds of dollars on computational hardware to play the videographical games that which are of interest to me

Decent case with the IO at the front?
The ones in the OP are basically all in dumb locations except the o11

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>>108010124
I wonder what takes most time for an occasional builder vs a pro

>You have to fiddle with the cpu orientation for mobo socket, worry about not destroying it.
>The ddr5 ram is super annoying to put on, you have to double check which slots you should put them in, double check its right way around, use a lot of force, it doesnt go in, google why it takes so much force, then when its in you have to wonder is it even gonna work and just want to stop the whole process.
>The nvme has some bizarre cooling system built in the mobo, it takes a lot of precision to slot it in correctly and the pc might not boot if anythings wrong. The cooling system takes time to put on because of weird config.
>Placing mobo into the case has no issues, you find screw holes and get 1 in its impossible to fuck up.
>You have to spend time figuring out PSU cables, which do you need, search the bags for cables, wonder about the slot names, plug them in before installing that into the case.
>Time to bust out mobo manual and start thinking about where which cable goes, where to route it from, untangle cables. Wonder why we still use this mobo pwr port.
>Spend 30mins installing front power and led cables using the manual because its designed by satan.
>Take a break to calm down.
>Rethink which hole is best to route which cable through.
>Google how much thermal paste the cpu should have and is swastika really the best shape.
>Battle the cpu cooler fan mounting system and figure out which hole this power cable connects to, which way the fan blows. Hope the cpu cooler doesnt hit anything, because thatd be a problem
>At least the gpu that definitely doesnt hit the cpu cooler is fast and easy to install with the nice new power cable.
>Clean up the horrid cables.
>Plug in external cables. Click power button. If pc doesnt go re-read the manual for front power connector port and redo it.
>Install windows. Hope your usb stick didnt have data loss over time.

can be 3-4 hours of work.

>>108008163
It's for zoomers. They have a hateboner for the "unc" millenial but have no idea what the Y2K looked like. It's like how millenial thinks the 80s where all neon and geometry when it was all fake wood.

>>108010140
Increasing the refresh rate improves two aspect of a display: motion smoothness and motion clarity (how sharp/blurred moving objects appear as your eyes follow them). Turning strobing on, on the other hand, lets you dramatically improve the latter without affecting the former, but also without requiring your machine to produce higher frame rates.
Strobing does not affect latency to any meaningful extent. The frames are still shown on the LCD layer at the same time, only the backlight behaves differently.
"60Hz on a CRT is like 240Hz on an LCD/OLED" is a misleading statement. It should be "60Hz on a CRT has about the same motion clarity as 240Hz on a sample-and-hold display", because typical phosphor decay is in the ballpark 1/240 second but the higher refresh rate will still appear much smoother.

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I think it's time for GPU prices to come back down.

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the numeric values in USD are higher than these were in CAD less than a year ago

>>108010257
People hamstring themselves by buying cases that suck to build in. It wasn't uncommon for the eps connector being impossible to plug in with an air cooler installed.

Wait I just realized something, does the 9800x3d suck for multitasking because of the limited cores/threads?
Like just having tabs and discord open while playing shit, I mean.