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/hpg/ & /sg/ & /hifi/ - Headphone & Speakers & HiFi General 01/30/26(Fri)04:01:24 No.108008869
/hpg/ & /sg/ & /hifi/ - Headphone & Speakers & HiFi General Anonymous 01/30/26(Fri)04:01:24 No.108008869 [Reply]▶
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DMS BTFO edition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ979fSz06k
How to request advice:
>Location (since pricing and availability may vary)
>Budget
>What exactly you're looking for (be as detailed as possible)
>Previous gear and your thoughts on it
>Open back wired headphones
• Hifiman HE400se
• Sennheiser HD 560S
• Sennheiser HD 6XX (US)
• FiiO FT1 Pro
>Closed back wired headphones
• Shure SRH440A/SRH840A
• AKG K361/K371
• FiiO FT1
>Wireless Bluetooth headphones
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/best/by-feature/wireless-blu etooth
>Wireless Gaming headphones
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/best/wireless-gaming-headset s
>Cheap Headphone amp/DAC combos
• JDS Atom2 Stack
• Schiit Magni Unity + Mesh
• Apos Gremlin/Merlin
• Dongles (Apple, Fiio, Crinacle)
• Took out the DX5II in the wake of it now blowing up headphones L30 style: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/topping-dx5 -ii.60996/page-127#post-2492199
>Active desktop/bookshelf speakers
• Edifier R1280/MR3/MR4
• iLoud Micro
• Kali LP-6 v2
• Neumann KH 80
• KEF Coda W
>Passive desktop/bookshelf speakers
• KEF Q1/Q3 Meta
• Ascilab F6B
>Interfaces
• Steinberg IXO22
• Topping E1x2
• Motu M2
>Speaker amps
• Loxjie A30
• Yamaha R-S202
• WiiM Amp
>EQ/DSP software
• Equalizer APO (Windows)
• EasyEffects (Linux)
• SoundSource (Mac)
• Wavelet / RootlessJamesDSP (Android)
• PEQdb (browser)
>EQ/DSP hardware
• Qudelix 5K
• Neutron DAC V1
• miniDSP
>Useful resources
https://xiph.org/video/
https://harmanhowtolisten.blogspot.com/
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php
https://superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php
https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/
https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/
https://peqdb.com/
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>>108008021
What I use. Bubbles is a good test but extremely reddit, so I picked some songs I like which would test headstage and tactility in the same way.
Rest of it just covers my preferences in genre.
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>>108008878
Rest of the list isn't really critical, just stuff I hope bangs hard on whatever I'm listening to
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>>108009290
I don't think its too loud, I have them plugged into a mobo but spose the amps on the cup. Just not a fan of full volume music anyway due to imbalance in high notes between songs. It does hurt so I invested in some cheap sennies iebt ones with the neckband.
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>>108009271
Bro wtf. Never heard of this before. Anyway, recommend me sub £200 phones for this thing.
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>>108009533
Might treat messenger to some and this amp for a cheap phile experience similar to this.
https://youtu.be/--RZs4oPc6Y
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>>108009588
>messenger
Me sen*
>>108009533
Also, they're not sub £200
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I've bought a Koss Porta Pro headphone and am wondering if they are really supposed to sound that bad, it's like they are really muffled. My other headphone is Sennheiser 6XX and while obviously the difference is night and day even back when I had worse ones I don't remember them being even close to that bad.
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>>108010238
One anon here will soon discover what 5% 3rd order harmonic sounds like :)
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>>108008869
>currynigger dongle
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>>108010839
They're definitely a bit midbass-bloaty and they've got some treble weirdness going on.
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>>108015176
DO NOT listen to shills and NEVER buy xDuoo garbage. You've been warned.
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>>108015766
I'm the TA-32 bro. They returned my shit after 2 months and they dropped it, because the front right corner is fucked, literally a small piece chipped off, plus the finish scratched, PLUS THE WHOLE FUCKING POWER SUPPLY UNIT INSIDE ISN'T EVEN ANCHORED, IT'S FREELY MOVING AROUND. THEY DIDN'T EVEN GIVE ME NEW TUBES.
FUCK OFF X POO O
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>>108016093
Fuck china anything. Fuck Schiit too. Fuck tubes as well. The xpoo sounds great, but the whole circuit design revolving around tubes is fucking retarded and cursed in general. You're just asking for issues. Not to mention that tubes are a consumable. Xpoo LITERALLY told me that they can't promise the issue I had won't come up again in the future either, and said they'll only service it again if it's in warranty still. They refused to explain what was causing the issue either. Literal fucking dogshit retards. If you're gonna buy tubes anything you must get some super duper expensive white man's invention.
SMSL is the only brand thus far that I've been lukcy with, except their shit sounds stale and boring and has no soul.
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>>108009271
Fuck schiit though and fuck you. Topping that's soldered poorly and will break on you in a year lmao. Schiit is literally topping tear. Remember my shit blowing up in literally 20 minutes of use after unboxing and their ESL """customer""" support (yurop branch) being useless, braindead, and retarded, and refusing to send me a new one or cover shipping?
Yeah fuck you and fuck schiit.
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>>108016158
>Topping tear
>tear
literally ESL, point disregarded - your skin is shit colored.
you're rambling about Schiit stuff from a decade ago when we have Topping amps exploding as recently as two weeks ago, lol
nobody gives a shit about your Magni/Modi 2 that everyone concedes was a trash-tier product, that nobody sells anymore.
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>>108016158
You're so mad and brown that you can't even type properly lmao, I wonder how many holes you have in your desk and walls if you get this wound up over some ancient amp that is discontinued.
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>>108016173
Yeah, I'm seething you fucking retard. I'll misspell shit here and there. Fuck your gay retarded ass. I'm whiter, taller, stronger, smarter, and have more hair than you, plus you wear glasses and your teeth are crooked. I don't care about no bitchass topping. I've never shilled for them. Schiit are on their level however, so fuck them too. You're a hypocrite if you're gonna damage control for them while shitting on pooping. It was also a Magni Unity, bitch.
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>>108016204
Oh you're just a retarded slav then. Hopefully we see you in the meat cube soon!
>>108016209
Singxer is kino, not all Shenzhen brands are bad (they're just a distro a lot of the times.). Pretty sure the D10B pre-dates whatever the fuck Topping did to make their products start exploding, so doesn't shock me it's still kicking.
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>>108012434
yes and no. a decade or so ago the $100-200 price range didn't have a lot of great options. they were better than the skullcandy/beats consumer products so people recommended them and at the time the HD600 were $400.
eventually other companies began targeting that segment of the market. now for $30 more you can get the 6XX. for $5 more you can get the FT1.
the m50x also are notorious with having bad qc. the pads wear out quickly and the is prone to breaking. if you must buy audio technica stick with the r70xa.
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>>108016228
The only reason I'm retarded is for listening to broke braindead obese balding tone deaf redditors like you that shill garbage for free on the internet and buying the trash that schiit make.
>>108016232
Cope.
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>>108012434
Some people will say M40x are better, I don't really know the FR data though so I won't try and quantify it. They're still me recs to real casuals who just want something for work or whatever.
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>>108016289
I wouldn't know, because I don't go to either of those. The real narrative, since I'm the MC, is that anything I don't like is reddit. Schiit did me wrong. Fiio has done me wrong. Xduoo just did me wrong. All of those are in turn reddit.
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>>108014978
valhalla 2 is otl. Every other otl amp i looked into was chinese and or caught houses on fire. I like it, volume knob is very solid compared to my magni, although i would avoid otl if you ever plan on getting planars
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Anyone?
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>>108013432
I don't feel any bass in them. It's really strange, like that's some filter.
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>>108016242
The FT1 has reports of being made out of chinesium and the other headphones have holes in them. I like the old-fashion style of headphones that aren’t made out of chicken wire. I assume the m50x don’t sound BAD, like other people claim? The MDR-7506 are what I would call bad, since they sound like tinnitus (same with DT 770).
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>>108017217
You couldn’t pay me to deal with Bluetooth shit, especially shitheiser. M4 are made out of play-doh and dollar store plastic and function just as well. There’s a reason they’re always on sale. Probably cost $10 to make (not including the Chinese slave child, which was probably free).
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>I assume the m50x don’t sound BAD, like other people claim?
sound is more subjective, every other aspect of the headphone is fucking horrific though. Essentially no headband padding, stock pads are terrible, clamp worse than 6x0's by a lot. Build like total trash, terrible qc and should cost like $100 max for how bad they are. I suppose you could mod them to be more comfortable if you like to sound but that wouldn't solve the overall build quality, It's easily the worst build headphone i've ever held in my hands, feels like some normal fag slop that is just meant to be break after 1-2 years like the ANC shit
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any wireless headphones I should check out before buying a set of airpods max?
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>>108017630
Why are wireless headphones not like here?
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balanced vs unbalanced a diff enough for me to care? normal gaymer/music enjoyer user here,can spend like 500 bucks. I've arya stealths and a magnimodi3 stack rn
thx
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>>108017973
It takes up to a full minute for wireless headphones to connect to anything, and ANC feels like your head is being suctioned out. No thanks. There’s a reason why zoomers are going back to wired. Everyone else had their brains sucked out by the radio waves. You might think I’m joking but I wouldn’t be surprised if Bluetooth/ANC was the leaded gasoline of our generation. It can’t have zero consequences.
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i see, then what are good wired headphones for a budget of 200?
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>>108018129
closed back aeons are okay i guess. I'm not really a fan and the ether cx is way too much money for what it is. Theres some other ones too but they are even more insanely priced so to the answer your question no not really, you just pick your poison and thats why the dt 770 still has a place in the market, regardless how bad it sounds its one of the only closed backs below the aeon thats wearable because it has some amount of padding. I guess there is also the chance some of the at 3d wing shit works for some people then things like the a990z aren't so bad or some of the fostex/emu stuff but i have no experience to say on those two
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>>108018129
The poorfag DCAs
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>>108015506
hd600 minimizes masking (veil) with clearer upper mids and sharper transient edges. hd6xx minimizes fatigue by having a warmer tilt and smoother treble. think articulation and contrast vs smoothness and tonal density, or cotton vs wool.
t chatgpt
still looking to trade my hd6xx btw
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>>108018373
>I say that as someone who loves the Z1Rs despite their price point and faults in the mids.
are you trying to sell your z1rs like you did with the noires here?
>>108019084
>still looking to trade my hd6xx btw
just put a local add out and say you'll add cash, because the resale of the 6xx is awful
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>>108019084
Doesnt the 6xx have much better bass tho?
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>>108020112
FedEx fucked up delivering my Jot3 twice and I needed to wait a whole weekend on top of the fuckups for it, I feel this.
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>>108020089
better bass depends on what you mean. the 6xx has more bass quantity and warmth, but the hd600 tends to have tighter and cleaner bass. i think most people would say 6xx has "better" bass because of the quantity and "comfort"
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I have the opportunity through work to get some B&W speakers for a discount and I'm looking at the 606s or 607s (not sure what the difference really is). I don't really know that much about speaker setups which is why I'm coming here. A friend suggested I get a second-hand AV receiver from ebay to go work with the speakers I get, is there anything specific I should look out for or be aware of? These would be to go in my living room with my TV, but the audio source would primarily be from my PC rather than the TV itself.
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>>108020146
Fuck your dogshit fuckass jot3 but I feel your pain. These customs bitches sent me a fucking payslip over email, WHICH I HAVE TO PRINT OUT AND TAKE TO A BANK IN PERSON IN REAL LIFE AND THEN SCAN THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PAPER AND SEND IT TO THEM OVER EMAIL.
IN TWENTY TWENTY SIX HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
Jeez Louise man.
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>>108018137
Have you thought Looking at the OP?
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I'm so blackpilled on hifi it's not even real. I don't know if it's a me issue I need to figure out, but I just always end up disappointed. I should just get into DIY everything. Then if it works I can only blame myself. Except everything DYI unrelated to audio I've ever made has been perfect.
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Yo let me vent.
I sent a butthurt email to customer support regarding my xDuoo. I'm so disappointed bro. I wonder if they'll do anything at all to take care of me. Probably not. They have no reason to care about the one of a thousand customers that got fucked over. They wont get any negative impact from it, unless it's just a colossally shit product release that damages the entire brands reputation. I'd be happy with like a $300 refund or some gay pity shit like that so I can take less of an L and buy something else. Have you guys ever seen instances of brands owning up to their fuck ups? Like the stories of poopping blowing up fucking headphones. My shit isn't as bad of a scenario, but imagine you having headphones worth a couple grand and your fuckass amp blowing them up and setting your hair on fire and leaving you bald and giving you tinnitus. Where would you even go to leave a negative review? Obese forum admin faggots don't tolerate any negative feedback plus forums in general are full of retarded soulless drones that are so confident they can never get unlucky like that and for some reason make their entire identity about being a white knight for corporations.
I don't even know what dac/amp setup to go for now. I just wanted to enjoy my music collection man...
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>>108023468
lots of high end shit you have to mod anyways because the makers clearly don't wear anything they've made and the product is insanely uncomfortable. I had to add an inch of foam to my hd 800s to make them wearable
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you still havn't got a new one or refund sent to you? And no they don't care anon, chinks literally hate everyone in the west and they look at us like cashcows. Bug people on aliexpress have out right said im a liar and a scammer because their $7 tv parts were defective, they will do as much cancerous behavior as they want because nothing ever happens to them
>Have you guys ever seen instances of brands owning up to their fuck ups
asgard 1 but they warrantied headphones as far as i know
>Obese forum admin faggots don't tolerate any negative feedback plus forums in general are full of retarded soulless drones that are so confident they can never get unlucky like that and for some reason make their entire identity about being a white knight for corporations.
that's why you don't go on audio science review anon
some of the high end amp manufactures like bryston offer 15 year warranties that is transferable, but $1k+ stuff i have no idea
almost bought a local stack from them used for pennies but i couldn't justify that kind of cash at the time
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>>108023757
DIY golden years were 2005-2015.
Then DIY started going SMD and the number of designs stagnated because normal people have difficulties soldering SMD stuff.
Nowadays a commercial design uses teeny tiny SMD stuff, while a SMD DIY design can’t go lower than 0805 resistors due to size issues.
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>>108024903
But bro my old SMSL setup worked great and it sounds clean but it's also flat and boring. Once you hear something better you can't lower your standards. I'm perfectly fine with not spending $1k+ but I still don't know what I can get that doesn't sound soulless but also isn't a dogshit meme.
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>that's why you don't go on audio science review anon
I don't. I did get perma banned from head-fi though (for doing literally nothing at all).
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>be sad
>looking to cope and feel better by indulging in consumerism
>browsing online for some of the old limited edition vinyl/cassette/CD/VHS album releases I'm hunting for
>find one in mint condition with all the accessories
>wooooow let's goooooooo
>it's so rare that the odds of seeing it ever again are extremely low
>snipe it straight away
>feel good
>open my next tab in the queue of searches
>somehow magically see the same thing but with a better version of one of the random accessories
>for HALF the price
I literally just CANNOT stop taking Ls. It's just impossible.
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>>108025222
>can’t go lower than 0805 resistors due to size issues
Due to skill issues. 0805 is ridiculously huge. 0603 is easy to hand solder if you know what you're doing, even with lead free. Smaller is doable with practice.
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>>108025290
It okay anon, I believe in you
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>>108025310
Anyway, DIY amplification is a solved problem, and the solution is the beta22. Transistor based, 20 year old design, fully discrete, class A (or AB at retardedly high power), vanishingly low distortion and noise, capable of driving both headphones and bookshelf speakers, below 500€ for all the parts and PCBs.
Or, if you’re on a budget, get the M3, measurements attached.
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>>108025331
The Noire XO sound marvellous while listening to this masterpiece.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Beu77WlqmM
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Sound is good and unlike some of their other models this one doesn't have bad treble distortion. Build quality is fucking doshit, though. And you might need an amp for them, or at least a decently powerful dongle. Not worth it imo when JT7 has better stock tuning.
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>>108025459
A beta22 or even M3 is kinda jumping straight in the deep end for a beginner DIYer though. It's a shame O2 kits don't really exist anymore, but a Starving Student, WHAMMY, or Sapphire is an easier and more affordable entry point.
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>>108025524
You mean this masterpiece?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofp_ffk0LM4
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>>108025937
M3 is a multi-board project which can be a little intimidating, but I guess the same goes for the Sapphire so that's one of my own suggestions disqualified too. WHAMMY is the same principle, opamp gain stage with MOSFET output, just minus the "active ground" and with the PSU on the same board.
>>108025939
Yeah, even buying kits is never gonna compete with mass manufacturing in terms of cost.
Regardless, amplifiers aren't the only thing you can DIY. With 3D printers being ubiquitous now and projects like the Open Alpha, Head(amame) and anything by Capra Audio actually being a thing, and the enormous variety of parts available on Aliexpress, it's not hard to make some headphones yourself that actually sound good too.
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>>108026043
Back in the day headphone amps were a bizarre niche item and you could actually build one from parts a lot cheaper than you could buy a comparable product, or there just was no comparable product in a lot of cases.
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>USA
>$300
>wired over ear headphones for my xbox series S controller
>audio technica ath-m50x, I didn't like how sweaty my ears got with them, also the ear pad problems and needing to replace them, I didn't really understand how to place new ones on, so do not want a pair of headphones that I need to replace the ear pads on.
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Location
>Central/West US
Budget
>Prefer <$200 but if there's a particular deal/breakpoint a touch above that I could stretch
>What looking for
Home use, desktop computer. Gaming, music, don't need a built in mic or anything like that. Wired is fine. Never had a amp/dac yet but I'm not against it.
>Previous gear and thoughts
Sony mdr v6/7506
Liked a lot. Sounded great and fairly neutral, comfort was good. Earpads were easy and cheap to replace. My fairly untrained ear felt they were a really strong price:quality ratio.
DT 990 Pro
Good enough to keep using until they broke but I didn't like them as much as the mdr's. Physical quality felt worse overall, and the plastic casing for the ratcheting headband thing broke on both sides. Sounds was good but I didn't really notice much benefit of open back.
Kind of tempted to just get another pair of MDRs but figured get some various opinions before I commit to anything.
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>>108027847
I've never owned the 404s but I had the l300s and let me tell you
>pads
Worst pads known to man. Genuinely never seen shittier pads. Shallow as fuck so your ears touch the metal net inside and it's the first time I've seen pleather pads flake after just a month
>headbands
Depends. Suspension thing is fine, feels quite comfortable. If you mean the actual plastic part then yes, it's low quality plastic and isn't very durable.
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>>108028036
>Worst pads known to man. Genuinely never seen shittier pads. Shallow as fuck so your ears touch the metal net inside and it's the first time I've seen pleather pads flake after just a month
epic
they even charge $173 USD for fucking l700 pads. or $90 USD for l300's
i'm so sick of pleather cancer
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>>108025100
>that's why you don't go on audio science review anon
some of the high end amp manufactures like bryston offer 15 year warranties that is transferable, but $1k+ stuff i have no idea
People forget the extra cost on JDS and Schiit often has to do with the 5+ year warranties they run and actually honor, instead of Topping deliberately getting your shit lost in a customs scramble and moonwalking
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>plug my amp/dac into a usb
>need to crank the knob to make it comparatively louder
why does the fucking thing need to be separately plugged into the wall then? does that mean the dac/amp is not daccing or amping correctly? fuck I hate this audio stuff
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>>108008869
i need help !
>>Location (since pricing and availability may vary)
Austin , Texas
>>Budget
$350
>>What exactly you're looking for (be as detailed as possible)
headphones with great active noise cancelation then great sound and very comfortable
>>Previous gear and your thoughts on it
sony xm5 they had good noise cancelling and sounded okish but they hurt my ears and felt too loose at the same time
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>>108027847
I would say 404. They are like 250g and are very comfy, I literally slept in them without any problems. My ears touch the mesh only if I wear them to the front, which is normally not the case. Since they are getting old I would rec either testing them in person on pickup to make sure the drivers are fine and there is no whistling, hissing or squaling even after like 30 mins of playback. Buying them with returns is also a decent option.
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Considering throwing my xduoo in the trash and getting this. I do wanna have 4 pin XLR though. Wonder what these other two on TBA are.
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Nothing wrong with showering every 3 days. Unless you've taken a shit. Gotta immediately have a full shower after shitting. Otherwise you know anon doesn't have sex or work out, and you know he's not brown, so he doesn't live in a sweaty climate. He's also on nofap. He doesn't need to shower daily.
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>>108033853
Schiit is subjectivist degenerate nonsense with bad qa. The only difference between them and chinks is they actually stand by their warranty. If you're ameriburger sane choices begin with Apple and end with JDS Labs.
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>>108034979
>coax cables terminated with RCA connectors? How did you know?
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>>108035124
>they actually stand by their warranty
Only in the US.
>sane choices begin with Apple
rofl
>and end with JDS Labs
JDS is aight if you're a casual that doesn't need features. Gesheli as well, but they're also casuals that can't design a full featured product.
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>>108035216
>JDS is aight if you're a casual that doesn't need features
Opposite desu, for me the Element 4 is an entry point for casuals wanting EQ and other stuff you'd do all consolidated for convenience and a slight premium.
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>>108033853
For what it's putting out (I need to drive dumb shit) and build quality, I'll take my Jot 3 over anything else honestly - Schiit build quality at least in this range has been typically good. I've mentioned before I think the Ele 4 might be better value, but I never played with Core or the EQ, and it doesn't have balanced outs, so I sold it to fund the Jot 3.
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>>108035272
Maybe YOU only need that as a deaf casual. Doesn't apply to me.
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>Opposite
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Latency, ANC can cause severe temporary tinnitus(may take over a week to go away) or auditory processing disorder and the quality of the engineering is declining at a worrying pace(many wireless headphones have hissing/buzzing/whistling, some of them use shitty dacs that are so bad they can't play sound at 30db without having sub 8 bit quality, like sine waves become square/triangle waves kind of bad)
>>108018129
No, they all have some flaw, even the reddit/asr bootlicked DCAs can channel imbalance worse than two digit price headphones
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>>108036387
>Name??
Open Alphas, basically Dan open-sourced his Alpha Dogs that put him on the map during his MrSpeakers days and the community went ham remixing it. Heatset inserts for the screws, set screws for the bass ports, 2.5mm or 3.5mm jacks instead of Hirose connectors, you name it.
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>>108036387
>No, they all have some flaw, even the reddit/asr bootlicked DCAs can channel imbalance worse than two digit price headphones
thats true, i don't care for aeons anymore anyways but redditors don't buy dan clark, they buy chinkfiman and fiio, please keep up dear god. They started hating dan clark shit in like 2015 because 2 people on there had a bad experience and they play the telephone game endlessly, but his piece of shit pads are the worst part of his headphones
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I got a pair of ls3/5a clones that sound really nice and intimate when paired with a svs subwoofer. Does anyone else own ls3/5a speakers, what did I think of them?
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according to reddit/asr threads they're all vulnerable to either having channel imbalance from the start or developing it over time.
the founder claims he's fixed it in november but this is an industry where you can lie and audiofools will defend the multimillion dollar kabushiki gaisha to death like it's Hirohito himself and Tojo just gave you enough weapons and armor to survive a 1vs1000 fight against the DPRK's best soldiers
>They're supposed to be +/-0.5dB per channel.
This is a lie even in reviews. in measurement databases there are places where there is at least a 1db diff if you inspect per frequency.
https://vsg.squig.link/headphones/?share=Dan_Clark_Audio_NOIRE_X
https://boizoff.squig.link/headphones/?share=E3_(2024_sample,_fresh_st ock_pads) (literal scam tier subbass imbalance)
https://vsg.squig.link/headphones/?share=Dan_Clark_Audio_E3 (better channel balance, very close to advertised .25db/.15db figures though you must remember TPU gets review samples for free)
I can't ignore the possibility of those review samples being cherry picked either, considering my and other people's first hand experience with the brand.
Either way the only way they can restore trust is to give proof that the channels and earpads are actually matched(they claim both are matched), the burden of proof is on them considering the current state where there is overwhelming proof that they have a huge manufacturing problem or they're lying and relying on audiophool bootlicking
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>>108036785
Like >>108037117 said, the issue was due to one of the components actually breaking down once they put it in the headphones lmao. They say they've found replacements which won't do that, but pretty much most DCA's were ticking time bombs that were all destined to channel imbalance sometime late 2025.
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>>108037117
its amazing how many of the 1k+ headphones are just built like trash and have qc problems
hd 800 chads some how keep winning, except like 3 redditors who ripped their cable socket out completely like the retard monkeys they are
although it would be nice if these companies at least tried a little bit to not be niggerlicious
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>>108037751
Decades of audiofoolery appear to have "damaged" the industry, kinda like wokism and microtransactions(p2w or not) in /v/
>>108038057
The earpads are mounted with adhesive tape, the hirose plug and backplate are mounted with glue too
There is a legitimate engineering reason for these awful choices(sealing) but idk how that translates into durability
I'm not aware of any planar closed or open that isn't niggerlicious like terry davis would have said, i can just recommend that if you do buy one make sure the place you buy from has a no questions asked repair/replacement/refund policy because nobody should have to tolerate this bullshit
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>>108038211
im rather coutious with my stuff, never had problems with damaging something by mistake or droping it on the floor.
But but I suspect that whatever u do things like chinfiman will not last forever, something will crack, rust, fall on membrane or traces will fall of from membrane etc.
Ive read modhouse tungsten review few days ago where guy had rust problem on hardware inside (just from few months of using it, i was like wtf, they didnt used stainless steel hardware in high humidity enviroment inside cups), it was like ticking bomb waiting to shed bit of rusted metal on magnets and membrane. Chinkfiman had problems with paint flaking out onto drivers.
Now i have moondrop planar and membrane is so thin and delicate that you can damage it simply by suden presure spike from putting them too fast on your head.
In like 10-15 years time we will se if any of that stuff will be still around like today you can get 20-30 years old dynamic drivers headphones working perfectly
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>>108038057
NTA but
>So i i want planar with liftime of something like hd600 what are my options? at around 1000-2000max USD
I guess modern Audeze cans are long lasting. Any model that's newer than than their very first batches will be fine, you can find 10+ years old LCD2s on the used market. But I'm talking about the drivers themselves being long lasting. If you buy a wooden model the wood might crack eventually. Even with non wooden models like LCD-X you'll still have to deal with the annoying screws which you'll have to use loctite on every few years. Something like MM-500 uses the newer chassis so should have no problems with loosening screws and it also doesn't use wood. That said, I've never had any problems with anything DCA dying, personally. The pleather pads DCA uses are pretty shitty though, admittedly.
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>moondrop planar
Para? Don't drop them, the connectors are shoddy and will probably break if you do. Look out for the headband adjustment mechanism as well, it's shitty plastic.
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>>108038372
>The pleather pads DCA uses are pretty shitty though, admittedly.
that califonian fag has been told for 10 years to fix the folding peeling pads and he refuses to, then increases cost for whatever reason. Unless some new dan clark comes and undercuts him like he did to audeze nothing will get better, chinks are controlled opposition with their qc
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Cosmo, plastic on headband isnt big problem, i can easly fix stuff like that with bit of 3d printing or swaping it for something else, conectors too, i can swap them or resolder them.
Main concern, at least for me, is longevity of planar driver itself, you can be as easy on them as you can but if design is flawed (like something inside is rusting, something inside is chipping off, something inside is cracking) it will destroy itself after few years of using. You cant fix planar driver or at best its extremely difficult.
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>>108009384
>Anyway, recommend me sub £200 phones for this thing.
Splash for these anon. Don't worry about them being refurbished. I bought a pair of 660S a few years back and they're like new out of the box (Drivers are decanted into a brand new headset?). I've recommended it to multiple friends and never had a problem buying Sennheiser refurbished. If you really can't afford them get the 560S.
https://uk.sennheiser-hearing.com/products/hd-660-s-2-refurbished
https://uk.sennheiser-hearing.com/products/hd-560-s-audiophile-headpho ne-high-end-over-ear-refurbished
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>>108036520
My Noite XO have 19,3 ohm on the right side, 19,7 ohm on the left.
Imperceptible.
>>108038211
The glue seems fine, the hirose take literally no force to be connected or disconnected.
>>108038434
this is my only worry with them, the pleather.
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>>108035326
I can't, but we were talmbout features. Just called you deaf to hurt your feelings because you said I have a mental illness for wanting FEATURES.
>>108036461
>the Element 4 is features galore
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>>108038623
it depends on the thickness, specs, position/reflection point, and speaker off-axis response
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>>108040202
>calling output sockets 'features'
What do you score on IQ tests? That's not what we're talking about when you mention amp or DAC 'features', lmao.
You're about to be a tard and recommend a DX5II, aren't you? Even though it's balanced 'features' are what is causing it to self destruct.
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>>108040890
It does for me.
>>108040913
Can you answer the question first and then sperg out like a little guy?
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>>108040913
Ohhh, I see what you mean little guy. You're autistic and going off of the product page that has a "FEATURES" section so your little sperg ass just tunnel visioned on that. Understandable for a small chalant boy such as yourself.
More importantly, where do you see RCA ins on the Element 4 though?
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>>108040940
>it does for me
'140' IQ and falling for mind tricks, maybe cut 100 points off the score buddy
>Can you answer the question first and then sperg out like a little guy?
oh you can't read, thanks for confirming you're brown
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This bait account is even worse than the eastern euro who spams the shiit joke
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>>108041238
You should stop making assumptions and read more on the topic so you can start thinking outside of the box and maybe begin to understand why you're wrong. Hopefully you can grown and improve your listening experience further. You have much room for improvement it seems.
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Using them right now.
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Half of me thinks this is ragebait but I'm starting to actually believe you think balanced does anything else other than 2x driving and more volume and it scares me to think what other snake oil shit you've spent on with your 'high IQ'.
You didn't buy Abyss headphones, did you?
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>>108041332
>Abyss headphones
I do not get what the Abyss hate is all about, I tried out Joal and Diana recently - they sound just okay, the only issue was comfort. They are not worse than a vast majority of kilobuck+ headphone offerings like HE1000 Unveiled, Focal Stuff etc.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muZFCcMPFBc
Insanely shit video even by their standards, trying too hard to outpace Amir in the psuedoscience faggotry they talked themselves into a hole re: EQ
Just waiting for these guys to sell a 'How to EQ' guide, since Listener is implying you can make anything sound like anything else with time
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You don't know what balanced means. All headphones are balanced. 3.5mm is impedance balanced, XLR is differential balanced. Differential balanced has higher volume and better crosstalk but worse noise floor and output impedance. Both have EMI noise reduction that your audiopedophile blog told you about. Other equipment (not headphones) can have unbalanced connections between each other.
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>>108041702
You can't turn closed into open(though in a quiet room it doesn't matter, this was blind tested), you can't make velour pads sound like fully front sealed leather pads and you can't reduce distortion. Other than that the world is your oyster. And if you actually bought uncomfortable garbage for "techs" - RIP bozo.
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I bought se846 like 10 years ago and use white filters on them. Unboxing theory retard praised them too much.
I also use phillips SHP9500 for my pc. Like their bass.
When at office I am using airpods pro 3.
So my question se846's are good or not for me? I can't be bothered to fiddle with their cables, when I can quickly use airpods. And in home, my pc is always plugged to SHP9500. I tried to use both of shure's TWP options.
Should I look around for other iems? Or not? I really like SHP9500's sound overall.
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>>108042435
There's never anything wrong with liking what sounds good to you, ears are weird like that. Especially when it's at that price point, and I say that as someone with $2.5k headphones.
IEMs the issue is going to be most of them are bright chinkshit that are treble centric. FatFreq used to do a good, cheap bassy one but since they took off after the Crinacle video they only sell super overpriced shit.
Best bet would be hop over to /iemg/ and see if they have a cheap rec for something that matches the 9500 in bass, they should have some good ideas. I own XBA-Z5s and only use those so I'm not much help in the cheap department tragically.
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jesus fucking christ the hifiman edition xs are so uncomfortable, they sound great but these were not designed for the human head
i'm going to try the aftermarket band and if that doesn't work i'm going to return them
if they do not address my issue and the cans continue to give me a headache after wearing them, any alternative suggestions around the $200-$250 mark? i'm coming from hd598s and love the sound and comfort and put them back on, feels like i'm wearing nothing at all with them, but they are pretty old and thought i'd try something else after over a decade
if i am replacing them i'd like something that's better but definitely similar comfortwise
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>>108043019
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>>108043032
the finnish dude is clearly on the spectrum and got baited into thinking balanced = better audio, when it's clearly just a volume thing.
even the Jiraya dude regurgitating ASR talking points is a better read than this shit
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>>108043025
No.
>>108043032
I'm butthurt for calling out incoherent spamming?
>>108043050
>anyone saying his setup "needs" to be balanced
Where's the guy that said that?
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>thinking balanced = better audio
Source?
>it's clearly just a volume thing
Clearly if you're uneducated.
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>this is my only worry with them, the pleather.
It's really low quality. I used mine sparingly over 1.5 years, never even had wet hair or anything and the pleather started peeling before they were 2 years old. The pads in general are terrible and start folding, sometimes they already have by the time you get them.
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>I do not get what the Abyss hate is all about, I tried out Joal and Diana recently - they sound just okay, the only issue was comfort. They are not worse than a vast majority of kilobuck+ headphone offerings like HE1000 Unveiled, Focal Stuff etc.
they are horribly overpriced, charge $500 for pads. Tell you to buy a $20k piece of shit tube amp on the product page for diana's. They are only expensive for retarded old people who think expensive = good. I doubt they would even sell well at $2k, and their product page looks like it's written for people with severe learning disabilities. Their alt company is literally just a snake oil company with $2k cables, it doesn't get much worse in audio than them really. Any company that tries to charge $450 for pads should be treated for what they are, Niggers
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>designed by Dan Clark
>manufactured by Fostex and (You)
>can be built under $300 even when using fancy options (and much less if you hunt eBay for deals)
>takes basically any pads from Brainwavz, Dekoni, ZMF or even DCA Alpha pads
Just build some Alphas already.
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>>108047763
If you're comparing it to the $3000 DAC that everyone else apparently has here than to you it will be a 'gimmick'.
I mean, it does in fact 'work' and it's not bad. had it on the free trial and used it the whole time practically.
If you really got nothing else to spend $20 on then it's not the worst way to have spent your money. or just wait for it to go on sale
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>>108044443
>they are horribly overpriced
This pretty much related to all premium headphone options. DCA E3 costs even more than Joal, but I would not say that I found it to be significantly better.
>Tell you to buy a $20k piece of shit tube amp on the product page for diana's
They do have quite a long recommended amp list, do not see any problems with this. Also they seem to even bundle a free Ifi dongle with Dianas, lol
>charge $500 for pads
I checked the pads, they are like 295-300$.
Also if I am about to buy a new pair of earpads for my STAX officially where I live, it would cost me like 260 EUR but luckily I can import them from Japan for like 150 EUR if I would ever need to.
If you can afford and decide to buy a stupidly expensive headphone to begin with, then whats the point of complaining about expensive earpads?
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>>108048468
>>charge $500 for pads
>I checked the pads, they are like 295-300$.
i see, it got auto selected to cad so 410+shipping+tip was my math, but in americucks who knows. Still insanity for pads, but that logic you listed is why they charge it, and why every headphone company overcharges for shit pads relative to % of msrp of headphone. Anyways it wouldn't be as problematic if any of these pads were actually good and lasted 5+ years but i'm going to go out on a limb and say that's not the case but i don't think anyone here has ever owned dianas
>If you can afford and decide to buy a stupidly expensive headphone to begin with, then whats the point of complaining about expensive earpads?
I would never buy anything from abyss or probably anything that much considering all the flaws they tend to have, it's no surprise the focal clear was reviewed better than the utopia so they killed it, maybe that was more of a per case thing but they also didn't warranty it so i guess thats another company i would avoid, but i've heard good things from the people who got luckier
>This pretty much related to all premium headphone options. DCA E3 costs even more than Joal, but I would not say that I found it to be significantly better.
can't speak to either, but seems from my observations that nothing good ever comes out from established companies because they don't care about establishing normal prices anymore and would rather do shit like that, hopefully someone new comes in and does what dan clark did to audeze but that won't happen anyways. What did you think of the dianas? also the tube amp shit i mentioned was specifically their shitty tube amp from their website they also sell $1-2k cables. They changed the product page for dianas or i'd screenshot it again, cbf to go find the amp anymore
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>>108048755
>Which if you're not winjeet includes system sound.
nta
i spent 3 hours on fooyin and got it to replicate my foobar2k setup with some keyboard macros and some file browser non sense pseudo fixes, i thought it was over for me with linux and no foobar2k but it actually turned out nicely
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My Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro finally bit the grass after like a decade. Replacement parts are more expensive than just getting a new one. Is there a good reason to go for something else? I have no clue what happened to the market since I got that one.
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>>108051153
I'm talking about this mythical $3000 DAC that wasn't named and I don't think has been discussed once in any thread
If you can't afford $200 for a DAC you're probably in the wrong hobby, more often than not you're going to buy some cheap shit you'll need to replace yearly and end up spending more than if you just bought the $200 DAC to start with.
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>>108047156
Still following recipes engineered figured out by others (Dan Clark, Capra Audio) and doing some tweaking by ear if I feel like it. I do have an interface now though, so a basic DIY measuring rig is something I'll probably set up in the future.
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>• AKG K361/K371
my MDR-V6's died so I replaced them with K371's. They sound find, they're plenty comfortable, HOWEVER, SOMETHING NO ONE MENTIONED, the fucking stiff part of the cable sticks out so far it rubs on my shoulder/jacket and translates the noise into headphone so I get a stiff neck from not moving my head to avoid it rubbing, who cares about a removable cable??? getting a new different cable doesn't seem like the solution either because all of these mini-xlr's are huge at the connector
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>>108008869
broke the jack on my dt770 cable last week just replaced with a female socket, gonna put male plugs on the original cable + paracord whenever the male parts arrive. stupid they dont do it from factory maybe whenever these die ill pick up a pair of custom one pros again my brother lost mine. i remember them sounding the same as dt770
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>>108048671
>Anyways it wouldn't be as problematic if any of these pads were actually good and lasted 5+ years
I do not know either, but the Diana earpads looked very solid to me alse seemed to me made out of leather. Joal ones were velour so they might last less? Also Dekoni manufactures Diana Pads for like 110 EUR lmao.
>I would never buy anything from abyss
I would never buy anything either, but I do see the appeal why some people might like it, the sound and the aesthetics are not that bad. Assuming you get the fit right. If the Dianas don't sit right you get no sub-bass extension, which was quite tricky for me to get. Either way, they do not stand out to me in a negative sense that much as far as their headphones go.
With the planars I would probably go with the HE1000SE or if you have unlimited money then Susvara Unveiled. Audeze stuff is also decent. But since I got infected with the STAX disease recently I got their TOTLs instead and in direct comparison to planars they win.
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so in 1.5 years my pads peel and my cable dies, on a headphone with 3 hours a day usage at max. Perhaps i'm unlucky but considering these barely were used, and i never even ran over the cable that is just niggerlicious.
>$110 for a terrible cable that breaks for no reason
>$75 for pads that fold in a month and don't last 2 years
>+ shipping + tip
at least my hd 800's are still fine i guess, with the original cable from like 10 years ago
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>>108055042
They were an amazon warehouse deal in canada, open box but mint when i got them. I assume there is no warranty but I haven't contacted them yet. Most of the time amazon isn't even treated like an official retailer for drop.com items. To be honest i don't even know which of the three i'd message, drop, amazon or dan clark, guess i could try all 3
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It's only a slight increase in mid-bass, caused by high output impedance:
124 Ohm -> +1 dB,
373 Ohm -> +2 dB,
1109 Ohm -> +3 dB,
infinite -> +4.03 dB.
EQ can achieve the same and much more.
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>>108055959
Amir thinks he is Sound Jesus and will get uppity when he gets crossed. He had a meltdown at Olive, of all people, back when Olive made fun of his hearing on ASR and went on tirades about how Harman never send him products for free/cheap anymore.
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>we don't need you to be successful
Oh ok, it's literally the same reason he went scorched earth on Harman and started shilling Shenzhen.
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>>108056268
lmao based gooks not putting up with poo skinned bill gates reject. How will he cope with this? When schiit banned him from their forum he couldn't stop seething for years
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>>108056321
It's interesting he's tipping his hand here so hard. He fought allegations for years he had similar deals with Harman/Topping when Marv and Jude pressed him on inconsistent measurements and reviews, but he's jeet raging so hard here that he's giving the game up.
Koreans probably realised they're getting margin fleeced for no publicity and are cutting him off at the head.
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>https://uk.sennheiser-hearing.com/products/hd-560-s-audiophile-headph one-high-end-over-ear-refurbished
£79 refurb or £99 brand New at Argos