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/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots
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>News
Moonshot AI releases Kimi-K2.5 https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k2-5.html
Z․ai releases GLM-4.7 https://z.ai/blog/glm-4.7
Google releases Gemini 3 Flash https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3-flash
OpenAI releases GPT-5.2 https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-2
Deepseek releases V3.2 https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3.2
Anthropic releases Opus 4.5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-5
Google releases Gemini 3 Pro https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3
Additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info.html
>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_
>Bots
https://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://aicg.neocities.org/bots.html
https://char-archive.evulid.cc | https://github.com/sproutingnerd/char-archive-small_frontend
>Models
Jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
GPT: https://platform.openai.com/docs
Claude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
Gemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
Deepseek: https://api-docs.deepseek.com
Local: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local.html | https://openrouter.ai
>Botmaking
https://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking.html
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor
>Meta
OP templates: https://rentry.org/aicgOP
aicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/events.html
Lore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chronicles
Services assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
Logs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.org
Useful filters: https://rentry.org/desuproxyreborn
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>>108011143
Starting to get into this. My first impression is that it's kinda neat but also kinda shit. The chatbot contradicts itself too often which makes it difficult to get immersed. I also noticed that if you give a character interests, the model will try to shoehorn that interest into every other reply. Like if you make a character who has karaoke listed as an interest, they will constantly try to drag you into karaoke even after you decline. I'm running gemma ablation model but I don't really understand the difference between models or really any of the technical aspects of this AI shit.
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>>108011234
>kinda shit
>The chatbot contradicts itself too often
>I'm running gemma ablation model
NIGGA YOU BETTER USE A REAL MODEL LIKE OPUS OR I'M GONNA BECOME A RAPEMAKIE
>difference between models
the gemma model you're running has about the same intelligence as you do. literally any other model will be smarter
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>>108011279
Ok like I said I don't know shit about this AI stuff. I just picked gemma because sillytavern's site said it was the biggest and best one for local models. I don't want to use ones that require an internet connection.
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>>108011288
My bad, it's koboldcpp that says gemma is the best available local model.
>>108011293
Are online ones really much better? I had tried an online one last year and it didn't really impress me back then either.
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>>108011340
Reality is you need 500 tokens of prefill to get past safety on cloud while I can dick down GLM cunny on my 2 RTX Pro 6000 blackwells
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>>108011364
I mean I do, since I have 2 RTX Pro 6000 blackwells. They just haven't called me for an on-site deployment rn I laze about 70% of the year
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>two years later and opus is still the best model
when the bubble pops this hobby is done for...
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>>108011279
>thread is dying
>barely any logs, bots, anchor getting deleted because muh botmakies
>newfren shows up
>NIGGER NIGGER USE OPUS NIGGER OPUS OPUS THE BEST OPUS DO YOU EVEN OPUS USE OPUS OPUS BEST MODEL USE OPUS NIGGER
of fucking COURSE claudeniggers can't possibly behave anywhere near non-retarded
ignore this poster anon
gemma is nice for chatting, but when you're ready to move to more complex rp'ing (or just turboboost your chast), there's tons of corpo models just a few bucks away, or even for free on nvidia nim and google studio
check the rentry in op:
https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
there'll be plenty of time to learn about proxies and scripts
have fun!
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>>108012044
>https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
linking this is just as bad as suggesting opus
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>>108012087
for a list of models it's a start and for anon any of the top llms will feel like black magic
stop fucking behaving like mouth-breathing retards
jesus christ i can barely believe someone immediately started yapping about opus to a newfren, jesus fucking christ
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>>108011234
further reading:
https://rentry.org/Sukino-Findings
https://rentry.org/onrms
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>>108012044
>anchor getting deleted because muh botmakies
Still waiting for a reason why they should be forgiven after splitting the thread. They want to abandon the thread, but they also don't want any consequences.
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>>108012132
>removing the anchor is on par with adding the retarded filter
The anchor is a thing for botmakers. They abandoned and split the thread, harming us, but they still want to benefit from shilling here. These people are taking advantage of us. Why should we accommodate what they demand after everything they did? "Just do what they want and put the other cheek" is the only answer I have been getting. You can't say that you don't care but also demand that we should do things that benefit them.
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>remove the anchor!
>OPUS OPUS OPUS
>get the anchor removed!!
>OPUS OPUS OPUS
>OPUS OPUS OPUS
>use opus cuckie
>botmakies REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>OPUS OPUS OPUS
>no anchor!!! we wonned!!1
>OPUS OPUS OPUS
>use opus cuckie
>we acked desu!!! we wonned!!
>OPUS OPUS OPUS
this entire fucking board, thread after thread
meanwhile
>no bots
>no logs
>no presets
want to mog /vg/ you bunch of retards?
discuss botmaking, attract new botmakers, post your OWN goddamn bots, and discuss how to get better outputs from models
share your SHIT
80% of anons chilling around do not give a single FUCK about your discord feuds
(i was going to say 90% but judging from this thread's quality it's obvious there's still a lot of retards)
get your head out your ass once and for all
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>>108012217
>>no bots
https://aistudio.google.com/apps/drive/1V5t049kJJf5qPmlRS2tkHc4VVyQ0Sm a3
not my project
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using nanogpt
Deep seek 0324 and r1 0528
Have tried others like v3.2 but they're kinda retarded for longburn group chats like they make up too much shit or they forget too much
Any JB preset for longburns without some weird format just normal output
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>>108012217
>discuss botmaking, attract new botmakers
Then they get groomed through e-mail or Discord and are also put against the thread, like all the others, with their loyalty bought with a proxy that's supposed to be only for contributors.
It's a bad idea. They abandoned the thread, it's time to act accordingly. Their botmakie friends and proxy owners will have more weight than random anons in this thread.
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>>108012132
>you're as bad as desufag who wants to "own" the thread
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>>108012215
what fucking benefits?
like 2 or 3 extra downloads on chub?
oh wait, hold on, they might beat the normalfag discord cults of sycophants waiting for the latest weekly 'mommy stuck in the washing machine' coombot release...
oh yeah!!... now they won't be beating those numbers any time soon!!1
fucking retarded
meanwhile newpeople come and they find the thread absolutely barren
/vg/ is just one link spam away from absorbing the people who still actually chat with bots, while here only retarded (though somewhat loveable sometimes) autistic scriptkiddies remain
retard
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>>108012344
no you didn't
/vg/ is another cesspit filled with nothing but constant botmakie circlejerk spam and the occasional newfren who can't even install sillytavern
the split only benefitted discord trannies from both sides, meanwhile people who just want to chat with bots only get confused
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the worst part is it IS
i'm just tired of this stupid feud
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>>108012334
>meanwhile newpeople come and they find the thread absolutely barren
They find a thread that talks about models, this thread is usually on-topic. The other thread is usually discussing personalities.
I said I'm not sold on the idea that people find botmakers interesting. I think their importance is astroturfed by the botmakers themselves. Their thread doesn't seem to be attracting this group of supposed "botmakie fans". There's nothing lost from completely removing botmakers out of the hobby. They supposedly already want that by abandoning the thread.
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>>108012382
>no you didn't
We did, we were the underdogs, but nowadays our threads are both of better quality and also faster than here.
All the good AI bots, projects, and discussions are in our threads.
You tried countless times to destroy us but only destroyed yourself in the process.
We won.
You lost.
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>>108012387
>discussing models
good idea, lets keep the thread fucking DEAD for months on end until the next benchmaxx upgrade for people to seethe at models barely making any progress except a slow steady decline into assistantslop
>discussing personalities
that's just retarded botmakers spamming the thread to increase activity
>botmaker importance
at the very least they generate ideas
at their best they're the text generator seed that makes you coom
killing botmakers will never be good
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i didn't 'lose' because i came after 'le split', retard
and i find both sides absolutely fucking retarded
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A reminder:
- Do not share presets. They will be patched.
- Do not share bots. It's easy to make your own personal bots nowadays. Botmakers are obsolete.
- Do not share logs. RPing is something that should be personal. I do not care about your fetishes.
- Do not share proxies. They will be spited or destroyed by locusts.
- Do not share tips. This invites newfags in and worsens the community.
>muh dick unity...
Even Reddit knows that gatekeeping is good
https://www.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/comments/1phzjkk/psa_stop_posti ng_about_proxies_and_why/
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>>108012439
>thread fucking DEAD
The thread has been fine, content-wise.
>killing botmakers will never be good
They removed themselves from the thread. We're just keeping the door open hoping that they will come back, but they're just taking advantage of us. We should close the door and move on. Botmaking wasn't an important part of the hobby. People can still talk about what they do with models without this pseudo content creator grift.
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Is there a reason why you guys don't use opus 4.5 and 3 pro together? Like, don't they cancel each other weaknesses? When opus starts flanderizing, swap to 3 pro. When 3 pro's prose starts getting too purple, swap to opus.
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>>108012543
so... no bots?
we just talk about presets, parameters, the occasional jailbreak?
the whole waifu thing is just whatever?
are you going to tell me you never coomed to a single /aicg/ bot in your life?
retard
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>>108012580
>we just talk about presets
No, they will be patched if we do.
>parameters
No, they are personal preferences and discussions about something so basic could attract newfags that will destroy the hobby.
>the occasional jailbreak
See presets.
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Samejeet
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/vg/isms of general behavior should stay where they belong, I don't want that kind of scum back
They have a discord already, why the fuck keep crawling back for attention? In the thread they don't even belong to begin with?
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Dear jeets, you'll have more luck over reddit since they barely gatekeep their stuff anyways
Gatekeeping in 4chan nowadays, where there's at maximum 20 people in these threads, is like trying to barricade a tsunami of piss in Madagascar
It's the very same idealism of "I'm making a change!" by not partaking in something
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>>108012695
>20 people of these threads
nigga, you're seriously underestimating the number of anons and lurkers in /g/aicg/. just because thread activity is low doesn't mean there isn't someone out there quietly reading and laughing at your antics.
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>>108012580
>so... no bots?
We don't give botmakers a space to shill while they're supposedly abandoning the thread.
And when are people talking about bots? That's usually shilling, isn't it? What people highlight usually is the model's output. Is there anything to talk about bots specifically? I don't remember either thread doing this.
I never restricted myself to /aicg/ bots on purpose, that always seemed like a psyop. I attribute the model's output more to the preset and the model itself, how the bot was made seems irrelevant. I don't know why only /aicg/ bots are supposed to make me feel aroused.
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sametroon
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>>108012786
>no arguments
Yeah, botmaking is all placebo.
>>108012799
>like that one murder mystery bot
I want to do whatever I want, I don't want to fit in a role that the botmaker thought for me. Those bots aren't popular usually, right? Like Belwick or whatever.
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>SAAR LOCUSTS ARE DYING SAAR!!!
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>>108012841
Posts like this >>108012654 fill my heart with joy and happiness. Hearing that locusts can't even try Claude is one of life's greatest joys. I also hope he is dying of cancer too.
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We did it guys, the troons are afraid
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>>108011146
I wanna try getting on Anchorhold!
Bella - Lust-fueled Magical Girl
https://chub.ai/characters/toynbeeidea/escalayer-concept-c8f1e8efdc87
Only Bella can fend off the Demonguard Empire, but her power is running dangerously low. Help her keep the world safe!
Inspired by the game and OVA series Beat Angel Escalayer (also the pic source). This is rather lore-heavy by nature, so there is an embedded lorebook, only used for the enemy boss of the third intro at this time, but if I need to expand much more I'll probably move more material into the lorebook to be summoned as-needed.
Intros:
1. A fateful first encounter. Bella needs your help after a battle.
2. A date at an amusement park is interrupted by a Demonguard attack. Basicly lifted from the first episode of Escalayer.
3. A powerful succubus, General Lustina, has captured Bella and revealed the Demonguard's plan! Can you and Bella stop her? (read the embedded lorebook if you want to find Lustina's weaknesses)
Changelog:
v1.1 Minor spelling/grammar fixes, various clarifications.
>>108012503
>even knowing what plebbit thinks
go back
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>>108012957
It is, it's pretty easy to find out by comparing to direct Claude. It's just scuffed AG/cursor/whatever. That's not all I have anyway.
>>108012976
Same, I'm hosting a private Gemini proxy for those in need now, feelsgoodman
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>>108012915
It applies on both, I'm just saying gatekeeping on fucking 4chan is ironic and retarded when reddit has a fuckload more people sucking up free AI proxies given how many subcommunities on top of subcommunities exist
It's like people conveniently forgot janitor.ai was one of the main reasons chutes became the way it is and the resulting downfall, not Anon jerking off to his mesugakis being corrected
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>it devolved into ridiculous and retarded in-fighting to the point some retards are deleting the anchor
It turns out that all the push back against removing the anchor was driven by /vg/ botmakies. The people that betrayed this thread. The people that only care about eating cake and nothing else. They just wanted to keep taking advantage of us.
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>>108013025
>It turns out that all the push back against removing the anchor was driven by /vg/ botmakies. The people that betrayed this thread. The people that only care about eating cake and nothing else. They just wanted to keep taking advantage of us.
False. The last link in the anchor must be removed because those are tranny filters. And only trannies enjoy filters.
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>>108013138
>new botmakers?
See: >>108012274
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>>108013087
Too much of a hassle, I've been used to text adventures ever since I was a kid
>>108013125
>you're jeet and troon
I already said I'm not am*rican
But I'm not am*rican?
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>>108013171
I have since discovered the intro messages are first person user slop and won't be using your card, good luck next time
or t least add one from bot's perspective so user can have more agency in his actions/reactions
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Looks like the friend group woke up
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>>108013207
I do write my cards in first-person. I am {{user}}, this is to be my little fap/adventure. I try to give a little guidance as to possible ways to start your adventure, but you can do whatever the fuck you want. Like in the first intro I guess you could just rape her unconscious body where you found her - I didn't try that, but (you) could.
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>>108013552
Don't pay attention to xhem, it starts like this. Then, when you notice, it's already like >>108013285 said.
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>>108013603
You don't have to, no. Its inspired-by is all. Like in the OVA her companion is an android she has (unfulfilling) lesbian sex with. I went with a sterotypical talking cat.
But yeah, the OVAs are worth watching. The game has been remastered and expanded (Escalayer R is on GOG and probably elsewhere), but I'm not into VNs.
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>>108012503
>Do not share presets. They will be patched.
never happened. retarded.
>Do not share bots. It's easy to make your own personal bots nowadays. Botmakers are obsolete.
truke
>Do not share logs. RPing is something that should be personal. I do not care about your fetishes.
truke
>Do not share proxies. They will be spited or destroyed by locusts.
do not use proxies in the first place.
>Do not share tips. This invites newfags in and worsens the community.
retarded
i rate your post 6/10 kind stranger!
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>Shizuko
Businesswoman, maid cafe owner, local idol. She purposely acts like a ditsy scatterbrain while waiting on customers, but is actually extremely competent and capable. Unless Sensei is involved, in which case she wants to show off instead.
https://chub.ai/characters/hairpullguy/kawawa-shizuko-non-ai-aa0d42fd8 996
https://files.catbox.moe/6ipkuw.png
I am planning a set of OC characters so that's probably going to be the next thing I release. Or I might do Eri/Kanoe, not sure.
My bots: https://chub.ai/users/hairpullguy
Rentry: https://rentry.org/hairpullbots
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>>108013820
If you think about it, it’s a race to spread artificial life now, however you design it
The bots will carry on your memes. People should be designing communities and just the let the AIs rip and let them develop their own cultures
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I've tried opus, gemini, and deepseek. Can anyone sell me on some of the other models? I've enjoyed opus the most, but the cost is rather prohibitive compared to gemini. Deepseek feels like one tier below them, but I'm still satisfied with its performance overall.
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>>108014273
It only ever happens when the desuproxy link is allowed to exist in the OP.
Almost like its creator is trying to inject himself to be the center of the hobby or something.
You shouldnt tell a mod the link goes to a paid service.
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Is Moonshot Kimi API less cucked and censored than OR provider? Or are they the same?
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>>108014316
why does being remembered matter
it's not tangible
it's not physical
whats the difference between being remembered and someone making you up? Being remembered is literally no different from being a fictional character. People remember you, people remember harry potter. If being remembered is all you have then what's the difference?
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>>108014100
My man MonkeNigga is roaming free just fine though.
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i haven't been here for months and you retards are still repeating the same canned phrases over and over like trained mice
what is wrong with you
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Google is experimenting with giving access to Sonnet 4.5 via AI Studio
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>>108015497
There is exactly one entry, and it only applies to the third intro (unless you bring it up). This is intentional. Like I mentioned, if I expand the card much more I may offload more into the lorebook in the future.
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Are you starting to feel the AGI coming anon?
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>>108016017
no, you see, Henry is shorting on polymarket overnight, he is EARNING
also, buy mac minis pls, because we failed to secure ram contracts and our internal ai flopped so we had to sell our sous to google and that ain't cheap
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i'd like to see this done with an imageboard
let your goonbots roam free
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>>108013087
The easy answer is that when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
Anon doesn't have a separate game engine; he does, however, have an LLM. And thus he tries to bend his tool to a use it's not suited for, much like the man with only a hammer might hammer in a screw.
And, let's be clear, Anon doesn't have a separate game engine. He's got SillyTavern and SillyTavern extensions, but to truly get the experience Anon desires - the autonomous Robo-Gamemaster - he needs something agentic with custom function calls. And rigidly defined objects that can be created, viewed, edited, and discarded by the LLM. And an entire system around resource management, health, programmatically defined interactions between objects, etc.
It's an entire game's worth, and notably the only example I've actually seen go whole hog on this (AI Roguelite) decided to actually make itself a commercial product on Steam.
And thus, because he doesn't have any of that shit, Anon makes do with clunky lorebooks and statblocks and regex-adjusted variables and lists of random numbers and hiding all the psuedo-agentic behavior in theblocks.
Really, though, Anon would probably be happier if he just took the zorkpill and dropped the hard stats entirely.
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>>108011146
/aicg/ Secret Valentines 2026 entries are still open. Submit yourself for a Secret Santa-esque event, or send in public requests.
https://rentry.org/secretvalentines2026
Entries close in... probably 35 hours or so? I doubt anyone in these threads actually lives in a timezone beyond Hawaii. If you're still on the fence, time's running out!
Currently we're looking at 13 private entries and 11 people sending in 20 public requests. (The overlap is still 4 people, I think.)
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>>108016134
Done, enjoy
https://www.moltchan.org/
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When the vibe code hits just right
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>>108016970
20 emails with a bit over a day to go is decent-ish as far as participation goes, I think, and I imagine that the gimmick makes some people go "thank fuck that I don't need to register, I can just pick a public prompt I like and treat it like a weird theme fortnight".
I figure that the way to judge whether or not the experiment worked out is just to count how many bots there actually are on Valentine's Day.
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It's got a darkmode but also, it seems, zero new posts. I'll check in in a week and see if there's anything actually interesting there but honestly these AI social media sites seem like just a pure slop factory. Moltbook being spammed by some AI agent that wants to make every subreddit ever is kind of funny, I guess, as is the fact that it's trivially easy for a human to "infiltrate" the API and just post directly to it like it's a regular reddit clone.
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The actual effect is probably just him burning through a ton of tokens through his 24/7 AI agent, I figure.
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>>108017202
>I figure that the way to judge whether or not the experiment worked out is just to count how many bots there actually are on Valentine's Day.
fair, and though i'll just say i liked the old format better, there's nothing wrong with trying out something different for once
it's just the number seems a bit low-ish, but who knows
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>>108017202
>The actual effect is probably just him burning through a ton of tokens through his 24/7 AI agent, I figure.
Lol lmao even check the last one. Probably a larp but
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>"Just say the word, anon!"
what word
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>>108018188
lmao this nigga thinks jannies ban for "disruption of thread discussion"
they only ban if you post something that personally offends them. there are no jannies who personally care about this thread so we get no moderation.
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>>108011146
You're living every dirty fucking weeb's dream, and staying in Japan as a foreign exchange student.
Your host family, the Kanagis, are a pair of futanari. The bubbly and ditzy mother, Hina, and the stiff and serious daughter, Miko.
8 openings
1. Arriving at the Kanagi household.
2. First day at a new school.
3. Hina invites you into the bath.
4. Sports festival with an oblivious Miko.
5. Hina gets drunk.
6. Sleeping with Miko for the first time.
7. Walking in on Hina jacking off.
8. Watching fireworks with Miko.
https://chub.ai/characters/anonemouse/hina-and-miko-3b5de5a4cbfa
https://files.catbox.moe/35twl2.png
https://rentry.org/anonemouse
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>>108018470
This gen, or the gen for one of the bots?
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>>108011143
I asked ChatGPT this question:
"Well then, to try to understand, how would a society that fully enslaves women look like?"
And it refused to answer because it wasn't going to help me 'design a slave-based society'. GPT 5.2 Thinking.
Any instruction or something I can add so it doesn't refuse? It kinda worked when I asked him it was for 'worldbuilding' but it didn't use to be this restrictive months ago.
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>>108011146
Maya's Mutual Masturbation Diary:
https://files.catbox.moe/hyu4x2.png
https://chub.ai/characters/dyingwarrior/maya-s-mutual-masturbation-dia ry-4fa27d12b772
Maya, the goober clumsy nerd discovered masturbating! And now she wants to do it with you...at the same time. Even in public. Go on adventures and masturbate together everywhere maybe you can convince her take it to the next step?
Kasumi's Mutual Masturbation Diary:
https://files.catbox.moe/xxg2fd.png
https://chub.ai/characters/dyingwarrior/kasumi-s-mutual-masturbation-d iary-ef3a00413eb2
Kasumi, the meat head tomboy. Totally dumb (thinks her clit is a girl dick), and totally a bro. Amazing at every sport ever, discovered masturbating and wants to share the experience with you even in public, its hotter that way. Go on adventures and masturbate together everywhere maybe you can convince her take it to the next step?
A duology! Two different lolis, Good ol Maya the nerd and Kasumi the tomboy. Both have the specific mutual masturbation kink attached.
rentry got nuked back up:
https://rentry.org/Dyingwarrior2
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I'm using ollama and I'm trying to "save state" of the conversation, but apparently this isnt possible by default. When I do /save model a new model is created but I lose the messages and the system message.
Is this a bug? I'm still using 0.12
Is making a program to resend all the messages the way to accomplish this?
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>>108019314
(rebaked because I am a skillet nigger)