>>108016011
BSD is a meme. Just use Linux.

>>108016011
Not all FOSS devs are political, anon. Some just share code and use shared code in various projects.

>>108016018
i already use linux, tried bds for a bit and it was in a worse state than linux 10 years ago
>>108016033
Its still a cucked mentality tho no? all these billion dollars companies (even trillion) sniff around for bsd licensed projects to steal and make billions off of it, even if you're not political it would make more sense to share code that benefits the foss ecosystem than some greedy company that wont even credit youon anything
>>108016059
KEK intel somehow managed to outjew a jew

is yer seething and creating cuck topics here paid? no? you doing it for free as in freedom?


sad to hear, sad to hear.

>>108016126
Everyone is making money, anon. It's not a bad thing

>>108016011
>cuck licence
John Deere is fucking your wife in front of you and the Linux Foundation is doing nothing about it

>>108016143
pass me your gf then. everyone is having sex. it's not a bad thing.

>>108016130
Yes. shitting on cuck bsd is more lucrative than money
>>108016143
yeah everyone in the company that stole your project is making money except you

>>108016179
That's not how software works, anon. If she had a twin sister and she didn't find you to be some basement dwelling loser, go for it.

This thread is brought to you by:

zlib/libpng license, MIT License, BSD License, the modified (3 clause) BSD License

Where even Sony and Nintendo just steal most of your code and you feel proud that farted in your approximate direction.

Btw only unlicense or the extremest gpl_v3 license is worth any respect.

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>>108016011
>how does it benefit foss developers at all
If you're thinking about direct, measurable benefits (cash) then you should just look completely outside of foss. In any case, here's a few indirect benefits off the top of my head:
For starters, a company commercially offering some piece of software will not have to reinvent the wheel and waste manpower building an inferior imitation of something that is already solved and published with a BSD license. The FreeBSD network stack for instance is so robust that using anything else is basically sabotaging yourself. As enterprises integrate superior software that happens to be published with a permissive license, the overall quality of software both commercial and free increases with time. It might come as a surprise to you but plenty of foss developers use some commercial software if there is an use for it, and plenty of commercial developers also dabble with foss. The idea that the two kinds of developers are basically the (1) crazy foss schizo that wrote his own init system and package manager and refuses to touch anything corporate vs. the (2) Apple drone that has never touched Linux in his life is a false distiction.

Secondly, the occasional malicious company can just use the damned software for whatever purpose they want and leave the developers in peace instead of trying to infiltrate and hijack the project as it may or may not have happened with a few pieces of linux software

>>108016059
This little essay by Luke completely fails to address the fact that there would not be Linux without the BSD license, since Linus based his OS on the minix code available in Tanenbaum's book, and that Intel would have no trouble developing their own black box microkernel instead of something that resembles a microkernel you can easily find and learn online

>>108016011
Idk I don't want to deal with lawyer slop, code is just letters and numbers. You can't GPL license 2+2

>>108016011
Real developers don't concern themselves with stupid garbage like that. They develop, they sell what they developed and make something out of their lives.

>>108016201
that's how it works though. people use better software irregardless of its license. you're essentially working for free to make a closed source option better than the open sourced one.

you may think both closed and open software benefits from BSD code but most FOSS projects don't have much or any investment to begin with.
>>108016225
it wouldn't have made any difference if MINIX was GPL-licensed. this argument sucks ass. it doesn't disprove that BSD is a cuck license.

>>108016383
>irregardless
stopped reading right there

why do low iq get so hung up on licensing

>>108016383
>this argument sucks ass. it doesn't disprove that BSD is a cuck license.
Thank you for actually replying to at least a single sentence from my huge post but BSD being a "cuck" license, whatever that means, is not some kind of null hypothesis I have to dance around so... there you have it? OP just asked for the thought process and I gave one possible outline.

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>>108016011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oLuJSFZKEs

>>108016685
sorry man i'm not watching your gay little video

>>108016059
I thought your supposed to get credit for your work. Intel probably put the license notice somewhere.
AFAIK, there is supposed to be some line between the BSD code and the binary blobs.

>>108016225
>This little essay by Luke completely fails to address the fact that there would not be Linux without the BSD license
Bullshit.
>These discussions were why we put MINIX out under the Berkeley license in 2000 (after prying it loose from my publisher).
>2000
https://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/intel/

>>108016011
>GPL means greedy people won't contribute, maybe not even use, no money

>BSD means greedy people will use, will not contribute, no money

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>>108016011
>But sitting there, quietly powering masses of the internet, without saying boo to a goose, is FreeBSD. And the companies using it? They’re not talking about it. Why? Because they don’t have to. The simple fact that dawned on me is FreeBSD’s gift to us all, yet Achilles heel to itself, is its license.
>Unlike the GPL, which requires you to share derivative works, the BSD license doesn’t. You can take FreeBSD code, build on it, and never give anything back. This makes it a great foundation for products — but it also means there’s little reason for companies to return their contributions.
>This makes it a great foundation for products — but it also means there’s little reason for companies to return their contributions.
https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/the-report-of-my-death-was-an-exaggeration/

>>108016837
/thread

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>>108016193
> not paid

GPL ~ Grandiose coPe License

>>108016018
fpbp

>>108016011
Just let IBM/Red Hat take control and be happy.

Is this the thread where we pretend GPL'd code isn't being used to enslave the entire world?

>>108016221
t. doesn't know the sspl

>>108019330
>sspl
nonfree license

>>108016011
You can fork it and slap GPLv3 on your version if you want. You can't do that with the Linux kernel.

>>108016221
use AI retard, just use AI retard, then you wont be mumbling that ICE is HOT and FIRE is COLD.

there are 3 types of licenses retard.

>>108023220

private domain <=> cuck <=> public domain


empoy yerself to avoid becoming a cuck/beggar, dont go public if you cant plan/handle it, otherwise youll gonna cuck or beg donations. you will create topics about own cuckoldism.

dont use word "we" retard, those who write "we" are prone to cuckoldry. theres only you and maybe me in the room, but mostly you, you will do everything, retard. theres no "We".

>>108019330
>ᛋᛋpl

>>108023312
oy vey

>>108016837
In other words, there's less incentive for companies to infiltrate it and EEE

>>108019309
Like MINIX?

>>108024154
So the BSDs are more troon proof?

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>>108016746
>If nothing else, this bit of news reaffirms my view that the Berkeley license provides the maximum amount of freedom to potential users. If they want to publicize what they have done, fine. By all means, do so. If there are good reasons not to release the modfied code, that's fine with me, too.
Oh, wait.
>If I had suspected they might be building a spy engine, I certainly wouldn't have cooperated, even though all they wanted was reducing the memory footprint (= chip area for them). I think creating George Orwell's 1984 is an extremely bad idea, even if Orwell was off by about 30 years. People should have complete control over their own computers, not Intel and not the government.
Topkek.

>>108016011
proprietary = capitalism
open source (OSI) = social democracy
free software (FOSS) = communism

i look at BSD & similar licenses as donations to "the free software world" which is ethically a good thing because the better free software is the less evil proprietary software can be. Similarly to a social democratic society. Yes capitalism has downsides & unfairnesses but a wealthfare system improves that. FOSS software is simply retarded & like communism doesn't work in practice. Nobody would make good software if all software was forced to be FOSS

>>108026234
>free software (FOSS) = communism
bullshit, you're confusing communism for the commons
communism is redistributive, commons is not.

We add to the commons and the result is general improvement.
communism is a sort of psyop movement coopting the principles of the commons.

>>108026555
i have no idea what you just said, as with all people who defend communism, you throw up a bunch of garbage words and references to things that need 3 wikipedia articles to udnerstand and ultimately says nothing in the hopes nobody can follow your flawed logic.

>inb4 ur just too stupid to realize
what was it Einstein said about being unable to explain a concept simply?

>>108026234
>free software (FOSS) = communism
braindead nigger award

>>108016018
Linux is a meme

Fewer restrictions/requirements. You can freely reuse the code in another project with a licence that is at least as restrictive as MIT(expat)/BSD(2 clause), which applies to the vast majority of software out there (MIT-0/BSD-0/public domain code is fairly rare). With GPL code, you have to be willing and able to comply with the GPL, which includes making your own project GPL.

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>>108028470
werks on my machine™

it benefits foss by being actually foss.

>GPL
>your project gets subverted by corporations and you get the boot
>cuck license
>you get nothing
I'm starting to think that choosing to get literally nothing back from corpos is the smartest move. If you are a brainrotten zoomer you can think of it as the "sigma" license, so to speak.

>>108023074
that's only because linux is explicitly GPLv2-only. there are "v2 or later" projects out there that can be incorporated into projects that are either v2 or v3. i think linux and GPLv3 is a fairly bad example in this case.

>>108031622
Idk anything about licenses, but how does the corporate subversion work?

>>108032966
funding and forcing indoctrinated people into the project

>>108016011
>Why is the BSD license so cucked
work for free for trilions dollar companies
>how does it benefit foss developers at all?
it does not
>i dont get the thought process behind it
cuckoldry

>>108033008
>acting like GPLfags don't also work for free
No, code contributions aren't payment and aren't even legally enforceable

>>108032357
It's not a bad example at all, copyleft licenses have much worse compatibility across the board, Linux is the most prominent example, and its explicit incompatibility with another closely related and extremely common copyleft license makes the point clear.
Whenever HyperbolaBSD materialises, it will be under GPLv3. Hyperbola GNU/Linux has not been.

>>108033085
>acting like GPLfags don't also work for free
who? could not be me, I'm not retarded enough to support working for free no matter the loicense
>No, code contributions aren't payment and aren't even legally enforceable
no fucking shit, I steal gpl code every fucking day too, like every single swe on the planet. only absolute retards work on FOSS for free on THEIR free time... dumbfucks
the only difference between gpl and mit is the moral high ground that the gpl gives to devs and not mit, mit is cuck loicense, it's literally written in the loicense whereas with gpl they atleast try to threaten devs into giving back even if it does not work in reality.

>>108016011
All it takes is for one person, even an indie developer, to make a modified version and release it, making it nonfree, because their changes have their copyright on it. And copyright law by default makes it nonfree, unless that person explicitly makes it free as well.

>>108033121
OP was asking about the point of BSD (but safe to assume he meant permissive) licences. So yes, it's a bad example, because the fact you can't "just slap GPLv3" on Linux isn't due to Linux being copyleft, it's due to the fact the Linux licence specifically doesn't allow being "upgraded" to (or conveyed as) GPLv3, while plenty of other copyleft projects do allow it.
>Whenever HyperbolaBSD materialises, it will be under GPLv3
I thought they walked back on their retarded ambitions to fork everything into copyleft.

>>108033121
>HyperbolaBSD
what

Does it really matter anymore? In a way more and more code is practically stolen in the age of AI and nobody cares, including me.

>>108035554
Hyperbola GNU will become HyperbolaBSD soon but the macacos are taking forever

>>108016011
why does BSD get so much shit when MIT is basically the same shit

>>108037347
Because /g/ autists only care about operating systems. There's the dubious claim that BSD systems aren't as successful as Linux, due to them not being copyleft. There's also the schizophrenic copypasta about Intel ME, that blames its existence on Minix being permissive (implying that if Minix were under GPL, Intel would never be able or willing to make the ME in the first place).

>>108038114
The magic text file claimed to be written by foot cheese eating jew makes companies afraid to steal the code and use it in their closed source software. Companies like Tivo would never steal the code and use it for profit. Companies like cloudflare would never steal the code and use it to spy on end users. Companies like Microsoft would never steal the code and use it without getting caught for 30 years.

All hail the GPL.

>>108016011
I do not understand what the difference between a BSD license and open source is.

>>108037347
Because it's hard to spy on BSD users

>>108038519
A BSD licence is a software licence that makes software open source. There are other open source licenes out there, like GPL.

>>108038122
>>108038535
(((Intel Aviv))) loves BSD doe

>>108016018
Linux is a Meme. Just use Windows.

At least BSD is somewhat more impressive than running linux, which even a jeet can do.

>>108039067
good morning satya nadella saar

>>108016011
it isn't cucked. It's actually the most libertarian software license that exists

>>108039925
Is cuckoldry meant to be incompatible with libertarianism or something?

Statistically speaking the people complaining about a "cuck" license are the cucks

>>108016011
This anon >>108016033
gets it, it's not really the license that's the concern, but how far the code development can go without normalfaggots tending to ruin it with annoying sociopolitical stuff.

>>108039067
>At least BSD is somewhat more impressive than running linux, which even a jeet can do.
Who says "impressive" is a metric?

>>108025942
lol cucklicensefags are so pathetic

>>108040542
holy cope

>>108043728
I'm afraid it's true Mr. Cuckson

It's this same thread over and over against about a license for software OP has never used, will never use, on a subject that is largely obsolete in the era of LLM regurgitation of FOSS code into proprietary codebases, thus sidestepping the whole licensing issue in the first place. If you want to talk about cucks just look at your dad, OP.

>>108043918
>era of LLM
Retard alert

>>108028434
in every single possible way, it is exactly the same underlying flawed ideology.

>>108016011
Who cares Linux has better support

>>108016011
free blue screens of death?

>>108016408
i do my nut in too, how do they not know its unirregardlessly

>>108047554
disunirregardless, i do my nuts in on my nut days too

>>108016837
>link
Same energy as https://news.perlfoundation.org/post/wewantyoutosayperlisdead
And it'll have the same end result, I'm sure.

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kek

>>108016011
Unix was literally a research OS before Big Bell though they could make a few bucks off it, BSD continues this lineage

>>108048107
gigachad

>>108016685
Kek'd

>>108038916
okay, but where is (((Tunnel Rat))) hardware that loves GPL? why doesnt he produce any

>>108038122
"stealing code" is called

>>108016746
so what, make the hardware without spyware, youll get more buyers. thats called competition. GPL-tards completely lack of competitive spirit.

--
no matter how you think of superiority, long term is public domain. like public key encryption. secrecy leads to demise - he was so secrit that nobody knows where he is now, hehehe.

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>>108050645

>>108019309
>>108016033
>>108040697
>YOU'RE BEING POLITICAL FOR NOT DOING UNPAID WORK FOR GOLDBERG

4chan is so chinky SEApey and jeety

>>108051439
Let me spell it out for you, nocoder:
Most open source isn't made FOR a community. Most of it is written and maintained for private use and is provided as open source for various apolitical reasons.
From your wacked-out ideological perspective, coders are somehow slaves providing code for someone else. That someone else is either LE EBIL CORPORATIONS (bad) OR THE GOOD COMMUNISTS (good).
Ultimately, you think someone is coding for someone else and not themselves and so the only difference is if the slave owner is Apple or the FSF.

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>>108052653
Pure, distilled truth.

>>108052653
holy seething

>>108050702
meds

>>108048115
yeah unix was proprietary

>>108048046
>https://news.perlfoundation.org/post/wewantyoutosayperlisdead
perlbros... owari da

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>>108038535
lol lmao

>>108016011
well you see anon, when a man and a woman and another man love each other very much...

>>108016011
why is it cucked? be specific

>>108057618
*IS (Appleshit is proprietary)

>>108061770
>man and a woman and another man
ackyually is a mxn and dog and a womxn now

There's no copyleft I believe.

I think avoiding the politics (trannies trying to coopt your project) is worth it. There's no incentives other than passion for the software. And if I was a corporate CEO I wouldn't respect the GPL anyway.
Also FreeBSD in particular is in a nice position where it's funded by companies that can't afford to enshittify the OS. FreeBSD will stay FreeBSD no matter how vibecoded and rusty the Linux kernel gets.

>>108065140
copymore when

>>108016011
is this bootmenu part of freebsd or is it a separate bootloader? asking because i want something like this but for linux

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>>108016225
>87x124

>>108067176
Uoh ToT

>>108061788
https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Cuck_license

test
OpenBSD

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>>108071977
pufferfish wit da big ass lip

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>>108071977
cuck license

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>>108072001