These stickys are mostly copypasta, /pcbg/ couldn't organize itself if it tried. Assless chaps are the mandatory uniform.

>News & Rumors
9850X3D has released to middling reviews. Extremely minor performance jumps at the cost of fairly sizeable temperature increases.
Memory situation unlikely to get better until at least 2027
New DLSS presets using DLSS 4.5, M and L (specifically for ultra-performance). Performance hit consistently significant on Turing and Ampere GPUs, potential for issues on ada and low end blackwell
6x and dynamic framegen coming in the spring
G-Sync Pulsar
ARC B390
PSU and CPU cooler prices may rise up to 10% soon
Nvidia claim *not* to stop production of some Ti variants but low stocks and high prices everywhere.
AMD has announced an increase to the MSRP of 90XX series cards. Expect a minimum $100 price bump from earlier reviews.


>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps, currently only lists a selection of AM5 boards but is being actively updated : https://mobomaps.com/
A PC build guide : https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC
German autism : https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Monitor reviews : https://www.rtings.com/

A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!
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Brandfag thread, don't use. Putting 9070 XT in a lower tier than 5070 ti is inciting a flamewar
This is the real unbiased thread that presents all the options from each vendor neutrally
>>108016266
>>108016266
>>108016266

>>108016313
The 9070 XT is a lower tier than the 5070Ti since DLSS 4.5 got released, though.
Shit changes bro. In 10 years time the 5080 won't be high end.

>>108016313
both threads say the same shit, I wish the mods would ban you fuckers astroturfing /g/ and spamming threads

literally at any given point there are 3 /pcbg/ threads on this board

>>108016335
>DLSS 4.5
If that matters to an anon, sure.

>>108017387
>>108016359

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>Why are you here? Do you need AI sloppa or something?

>>108016313
> 9070 XT in a lower tier than 5070 ti
This is only comprehensible. The Radeon lacks CUDA and DLSS. It's not bad per se, it's a less pricy alternative for modest gamers, but it's definitely not the same tier as the GeForce. You only get what you pay for.

>>108017700
I want to call people retarded and indian for buying parts that I would not.

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Finally got my 5070 ti. It took so damn long that it appreciated in value as it was being delivered. What a weird situation.

>>108018748
>appreciated in value
nig/g/as are seriously using big boy financial speak to describe their consoomer electronic toys LOL
so ridiculous

>>108016313
9070xt loses to the 5070 non-ti when you factor in dlss4.5

>>108019798
>she doesnt know

Retard here do I need to plug both 8pin cabels in mb even if I'm going to run a 9600x

If a SeaGate Barracuda and a SeaGate Ironwolf are the same price, which is the better option for long-term bulk storage?

>>108020338
no

>>108022273
ironwolf

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>>108022273
Ironwolf
most Barracuda drives (non-pro) are SMR (bad) these days

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it unironically seems way better to buy a prebuilt than to build something right now

>>108022315
yeah but you still gotta pay 2k for anything decent

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>>108018748
>>108019798

>>108022315
That's only because some prebuilts are still made from older stock that was bought for cheaper. People were saying the same thing early into the kung-flu+ethereum nonsense but prebuilt prices didn't take too long to rise. Soon enough, prebuilts will either follow the market or have retarded specs like 12GB RAM and most of their storage on HDDs with a tiny QLC drive for the OS.

Is Loonix gaming really that bad on Nvidia cards? Finally gonna try jump ship and only dualboot the anti cheat games but I only hear bad things about their Loonix drivers so it's making me consider amd.

>>108022363
Kek

Is the 5950X or the 5900XT a meaningful enough upgrade from a 3700X to justify the cost? I have too much DDR4 to justify AM5 as last year.

>>108022416
For productivity yes it's much faster
For gaming, it's X3D or bust

wait, how much is AM4 X3D now anyway

>>108022416
only for non-gaming

>>108022428
>wait, how much is AM4 X3D now anyway
Don't worry about it

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WHAT

>>108022371
Linux gaming kinda just sucks in general. But, it sucks more on Nvidia.

But, honestly if you're going to spend hundreds of dollars on hardware, cucking it for the sake of being obdurate about the OS is kinda retarded.
You don't gotta use Windows full time. But at least use it for games.

>>108022446
All me btw

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>>108022446
People are dumb as bricks no surprise

The 32 inch miniled from TLC is still not available in EU. I think I'm regulationcucked.

>>108022467
using windows on your expensive hardware is even worse.

>>108022446
the one with the box is a collectors item.

>>108022446
$180 in December

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>>108015336

Thanks, anon. They really do free up space. I'm going to buy some for my main desktop now.

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>>108022366
ok but what's going to happen first?

>prebuilt prices will go up
or
>RAM/SSD prices will go down

if the former, then you should buy one now.

if the latter, then just wait™ until it happens and you can build as normal.

>>108022471
Why did they draw the camel...

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AHHHHH IT'S THE LAST DAY WHICH ONE TO CHOOSE

I'm so mad they fucked up Civ 7

>>108022553
>>>RAM/SSD prices will go down
LOL

The prices are NEVER going down

>9070XT reaper
>9950x
>Vengeance DDR 32gb 6000
>Tomahawk X870E
Do I need to upgrade anything? Or just wait this year out?

>>108022585
Dying light is probably the least shit. Last year AMD gave me MH Wilds, lmao.

>>108022585
seconding DLTB but its also easily pirateable so it'd be a waste to get it

>>108022596
get the 24-core zen6 x3d chip when it comes out later this year or early next year, and udna when it launches end of next year

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>>108016236
what's a good cheapish router nowadays?
I need 2.4ghz wifi support because range, gigabit ethernet ports and built in mac filtering/bandwidth control, etc

>>108022553
You don't understand the RAM/SSD situation if you think prices will go down any time soon. OpenAI has basically pre-ordered 40% of the worlds production of silicon wafers. There's going to be shortages for at least a year and even after that they won't drop right away but instead slowly creep back to the old normal. It could genuinely be like 2-3 years even in the best case for prices to get back to something akin to normal.

>>108022648
yeah but can something happen where that's cancelled or whatever? like people say the AI stuff is a bubble about to pop

why shouldn't i just buy a 9070 and flash a xt bios on it?

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>>108022593
What makes you say that though?

>>108022692
0 downside with a dual bios card

>>108022692
breaks power saving iirc

>>108022648
>OpenAI has basically pre-ordered 40% of the worlds production of silicon wafers.

And Hynix and Samsung have already sold the rest.

>>108022758
he writes articles for the verge

>>108022692
this is what smart people are doing. like when you used to be able to unlock more cores on amd phenom cpus.

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>>108022593
if they stop going up that's the same as going down with the current unbelievable rate of currency debasement.

>>108022683
That estimate includes the AI bubble popping. We've seen similar shit happen with harddrives. Some big disaster happened and it fucked up the factories. HDDs doubled in price in a short time. The factories get fixed but it still takes ages for the price to actually go back down because everyone is locked into what is effectively pre-order deals that they signed during the shortage. Everyone who makes new deals might be getting slightly better deals but they'll be competing against people who made expensive deals and will enjoy being able to sell at a huge profit margin and still sell out since they can offer a tiny discount. Then someone else gets a new deal and they sell at a slight discount compared to that. And so on. Shit took like 1-2 years to play out.

That's what you're planning on waiting through. We don't even know if prices have reached a peak yet. Someone else could announce an equally fucked deal for even more wafers and it causes prices to double again.

>>108022880
a lot of those "pre-orders" of ram will be turned away by sender and never leave the delivery truck when companies are in bankruptcy/liquidation, then they get sent back to the vendor and dumped onto the market wholesale, huge stock huge discounts.

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/pcbg/ - Prebuilt Computer Buying General

>>108022692
You lose out on warranty if you are unable to flash it back.

>>108022363
Yes, that's me.

250 for 6000mhz 32gb cl 30 38 38 96 good or bad?

>>108022966
that's deal of the year good

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>>108022966
>250
these are the big bad ram prices that are stopping people from fulfilling their dreams of owning a PC...?

>>108022983
a 32gb 6000/30 kit would be $500 normally now. price in september was $100

>>108022902
But its not consumer chips, its weird AI data center hardware.

>>108023003
expecting a surge of people building second-hand older gen xeon rigs and shit with surplus unwanted datacenter ram then. Wouldn't be the first time those were meta.

>>108022902
im sure the 5 people who use ddr5 xeons or epycs at home will be very happy

>>108022983
I paid $80 for the same Hynix A kit. 3x price increase is silly.

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>>108022913
>16gb of ram
>1tb ssd
>intel
>5090
here's your prebuilt bro

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just ordered a 9070xt

>>108023044
>intel i7
>fastest geforce
>enough ram and ssd for anyone
>windows 11
that's a classic white working man's computer

>>108023009
yeah but now waitfags aren't waiting for cheap SSDs and DDR5 ram, they're waiting to buy some weird eastern European CS student project build that won't even fit into a normal ATX case.

>currently overseas
>trying to order something from microcenter in chicago and have a friend pick it up
>indian tech support on the phone line
god help me

Bwos....I boughtered 2 kits of 32GB DDR5-6000 CL30 for $200 last week and now prices are crashing......I thought you told guys me it was a good investment? I trusted you..........

>>108023072
You wasted your captcha on this ye ye ass post?

>>108023067
call him ranjeet and make frequent toilet jokes
he'll love it and offer you better service

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>>108023085
Captcha? What's that, bwo?

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>>108023047
based oldfag

>>108023102
God it must feel good to have a white persons mac address

>>108023103
>oldfag
>old
what do you mean by old? i never felt younger.

>>108023155
your meme is older than some people in these threads

How do Americans deal with warranty claims for GPUs these days?

I've never actually bought one at Microcenter before, but they tell me I'd have to go the manufacturer directly and that unless I buy one of their protection packages or whatever they are not an intermediary like what I've been used to where I just go to the retailer or call them, tell them my stuff is broken and then bring the proof of purchase and the item to the store I bought it at.

Am I supposed to just call an AIB partner like MSI or ASUS or whoever in the US and follow their instructions and pay the postal service to ship it to their PO box?

Also, interestingly enough out of all the phone numbers to companies like MSI, Dell, or whoever they have for employee use Zotac is the only one they don't have, though I think something on their site changed explaining why based on the garbled phone call I got.

>>108023250
Return it back to the store. Returning back to manufacturer is a last resort when the store has no more left or they went out of business.

>3070 - $235
>cheaper and more efficient
>2080 Ti - $295
>3GB more VRAM and 5% faster
what do

>>108023250
All retail stores have a standard return & exchange policy that varies. It's usually 14-90 days. After that you're on your own or seek AIB warranty unless you bought store warranty.

>>108023250
'protection packages' or extended warranties are typically scams, ignore them
if its within 30 days retailers will typically take it as a return
past that within the warranty period you contact the manufacturer support who will interrogate you a bit, then they might provide a shipping label but don't count on it
ship it out and then they look at it and either ship you a replacement, or if they suspect you did some retarded shit they'll call you retarded and say they'll ship the broken one back to you, and you can go back and forth about some magnuson moss bullshit or something
also who the fuck makes calls in , just use email

>>108023293
3070 will have better ray tracing and a lot more modern features unless you want the 3d display thing or SLI for some reason which the 20-series still supports

3070 has better RT, rebar support, pcie 4.0, dp 1.4a, hdmi 2.1 though I'd say the power diff is not that great.

I'd personally go with the 3070 given the price difference, but it depends on your usecase and if you actually need that extra vram or if you do rt or ai slop and so on.

>>108023293
both are shit. i wouldn't buy either of those.

why are prebuilts still priced normally? makes no sense.

>>108023348
high volume. big companies. they are going to exist even after the ai boom. you don't want to upset them. they move a lot of hardware after all.

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>>108023348
they aren't? prebuilts are wildly unbalanced now. look at some microcenter prebuilts and they are using laptop ram in desktops and have all this weird price to qc ratio.

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>>108023348
high volume, more stock, and also have shitty components. You wont' find a prebuilt with good fast ram or a good SSD. Shit MBs too.

>>108023363
i see a bunch of refurbished ones on ebay

>>108023369
prebuilts on ebay are almost guaranteed to be scams. its one big shit show of who sent who and who promised who and often times ebay will side with the seller in this case because its a high value item not some low value item.

>>108023327
>if you actually need that extra vram
I was thinking the 3 gigs could help it last a little longer but I'm not sure now. I think I'll get the 3070.
>>108023342
>i
>zoomer faggot
opinion discarded

>>108023363
https://youtu.be/H_CNZIE36ME

>>108023387
feel free to waste your money non zoomer faggot nigger. both of them are shit and not worth buying.

>>108023386
they're literally from the manufacturer though :|

>so fragile he gets agitated over computer hardware

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I'm taking the chance on buying the this card over the ASUS Dual 5070 since it seems like it uses more heatpipes with a higher mass while staying 2 slots, TPU gave a good review of it with good OC potential. Both are still at MSRP for the moment. Any reasons why I should reconsider?

>>108023293
They're pretty close in performance in rasterization. The 3070 is better with RT like the other anon said. I'd probably save the $60 and just get the 3070. But if you're willing to spend $300 in the first place, you may want to see if you can find a 3070 Ti for that price.

>>108023410
what manufacturer? why would they sell on ebay and get raped over fees vs selling directly on their website?

>>108023399
Then suggest him some good options instead of wasting two posts saying absolutely nothing of value.

>>108023435
.

>>108023413
The fans are known to rattle but thats luck of the draw like coil whine

>>108023441
As long as I can replace the fans myself or deshroud the card without warranty, it matters to me not.

>>108023416
found a 3070 Ti Founders for the same price as the 2080 actually. thanks.

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>SSD is acting up just as prices spike

I bought a SSD Corsair MP600 PRO LPX, 4TB, PCIe Gen 4.0 x4 NVMe M.2.

Lasted for 3 months and died due to overheating.
How common is gen4 nvme dying due to heat?

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How do we feel about the 9850x3d? Is upgrading from a 7800x3d retarded?

>>108023504
yes, unless you have a 5090 and enjoy setting cash on fire

>>108023465
Did your NVME suddenly disconnect too and come back with a PC reboot?

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>>108023413
Looks like the cooler on the 5070 Solid is the expected thickness as an MSI Ventus 3X would be on a 3060 Ti, that's how it keeps the 2-slot thickness.

I don't know if the ASUS Dual has a thicker heatsink to the same degree as the Prime on the 5070 given it is 2.5 slots despite being 2 big fans only, but I would prefer the option of at least having a dual slot option if I so choose to revert. But I also might be stupid here if the ASUS card would perform better deshrouded with 2 120mm fans strapped on as opposed to 3 on the Zotac, though I suspect the Zotac would perform better since they got a massive +13% performance jump on the Solid in the TPU review, I imagine it would perform even better if deshrouded.

May fortune favor the foolish as it is unlikely I will be able to return it upon obtaining it.

>>108023504
>How do we feel about the 9850x3d?
It's cool
>Is upgrading from a 7800x3d retarded?
Yes

>>108023047
Fake.

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>>108023516
Hmm I only have a 5080.. maybe I just buy a comfy chair instead and wait for the 10k cpu series to drop

>>108023479
how did you figure it to be a heat issue?

>>108023561
It was reaching 80+ degrees Celsius even with the built-in aluminum heatsink.
So, that's my suspicion.

>>108023559
Even Hawking scored and I'm still maidenless.
It's over.

>>108023604
You got a bad unit or bad airflow. They place thermal pads by hand at the factory like GPUs and if the chink worker messed up the temps go up.

Will AMD actually make a 6090 competitor in 2027 or am I waiting for nothing?

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>>108023668
AMD already has 2nm while Nvidia and Intel are stuck on 3nm.

>>108023427
why are you trying to find out the deals i'm looking at? fuck off. welcome to the jungle.

>>108023668
Betting my right testicle on that not happening

>>108023668
It needs to be clearly better than whatever GeForce has, and popular enough to sell at its MSRP throughout its production cycle.
The 4090 was rarely priced under its MSRP; some 7900 XTX models were discounted to nearly $700, which is bad business for AMD.
The 5090 almost always sold at above MSRP, or the MSRP for AIB cards didn't really exist.

None of these guys want to sell products to poor or value fags who buy video cards once every 5~8 years.

>>108023709
They all rely on TSMC anyway, and picrel is the CPU side, who knows how much they've progressed on the GPU part.

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I'm swapping out my cpu for the first time and I can't get the cooler off.
I unscrewed the 4 screws and tried wiggling the cooler while pulling up for a bit, but it doesn't show any signs of coming off.
is there typically something else holding it in place, like a latch or something, or should I try getting my cpu hot before trying to take the cooler off?

>>108023923
yes you should run it a bit to warm up and then twist it off

>>108023923
If it has been on there a long time, it's usually pretty well stuck together.

Getting it hot first does help, then when you go to take it off, try a twisting motion, don't pull straight up.

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so the consensus seem to be that prices aren't going down for the next 12-24 months, so the current options are the following

1. build anyway, burn around $600 overpaying for RAM and storage

2. buy a refurbished prebuilt because for some reason the prices are still okay maybe, and hope it's not a complete POS

3. build anyway, but try to swipe some cheap RAM and storage from a "for parts" listing somewhere, and just use those shitty parts until prices go back down

anything else?

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>>108023923
forgot to mention, but it's a heatsink similar to this one. it's got these spring screws that just click when they're loosened instead of coming out
>>108023931
>>108023936
thanks lads, will try

>GPU manufacturers are doubling down on 8GB cards
Why not just start exclusively making 4GB cards? Why not 2GB? The margins could be so much better if you were only making 1GB cards, surely.

>>108023709
Next gen AMD wont even beat a 4090.

>>108023937
>but try to swipe some cheap RAM and storage from a "for parts" listing
This is a gamble and a waste of time; few sellers are going to offer working SSDs & RAM in their "for parts" listing in this market.
Look for CPU + Memory + Motherboard + Other crap bundles. Newegg is running these sales.
Retailers need to sell all those parts before newer CPUs are released later this year and in 2027.

>>108023978
Vibe coders can't optimize so the games wouldn't even run.

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>>108023937
Dont build new, play old games or just upgrade what you can.
Btw China is depolying robots in their factories
we are in endtimes lads.

>>108024029
Who cares? 8GB cards are glorified e-waste currently anyways.

>>108023522
Yes.

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>>108023829
>who knows how much they've progressed on the GPU part.
There just isn't enough demand to be worth making large Radeon GPUs; AMD made a bad business decision if these chips have to be sold at a discount.
It's not like discounting Ryzen CPUs because of the vastly different sizes & yields.

The 5090 GPUs are cut down GB202 chips; NVIDIA has a Professional/Visualization segment that makes workstation & server graphics cards out of these chips.
AMD Radeon GPUs don't have that higher margin segment in a meaningful size to fall back on.

Currently, which is the best overpriced piece of shit to buy? The 5060 for $500, the 9070 XT for $750, or the 5070 for $800?

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>>108024029
hello gamers.

>>108024036
i only have a mediatek chromebook. that's why im here trying to figure out what the play is

>>108024070
9070 XT is basically tied with the 5070 Ti if you don't care about DLSS or frame gen

Whats the price of 5070ti in your countries?
>czechia here and its around
~1300 USD

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What are the implications of zen6 having 12 core ccd also moving to tsmc2nm

Will there be single core performance boost or is it just moar core?

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>buy new 5xxx
>even with fakeframes games look and run awesome
>enjoy games a bit more

now I really want a new cpu to get even more from games
oh well.

>>108024029
>Vibe coders can't optimize so the games wouldn't even run.
Could you define that term for me?
>Vibe coders
I have only a vague idea what you mean by that.

>>108024110
ah yes gamer 6090 for an hour only $19.99
BUY NOW
*games sold separately

Would an RTX 5060 for $300 be considered a good deal currently?

>>108024116
will probably have the usual 10% IPC boost
but IPC isn't AMD's bottleneck, look at the performance difference between zen 4 and zen 5

why is this place so dead now did the captcha & "posting from your ip range" filter everyone?

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Why are Be Quiet! fans so expensive? Are all German fan designers like Noctua?

>>108024239
>why is this place so dead now
Look at the clock

>>108024241
At least translate it into real money so people can have an idea how much they are.

>>108024252
It's 12pm-3pm in America on a Saturday.

>>108024259
Like $28 and $30 for those top 2, I think.

>>108024270
Europe is going to sleep and her colony is wage slaving.

>>108024241
>>108024306
Austrians, Germans, what's the difference?

>>108022360
> 2k
Peanuts

Is it worth selling my 3080 to a family member and getting a 5070?

>>108022596
> 9950X
If that's supposed to be a workstation, why the useless Radeon? And why only 32GB RAM? This is not enough for 32 threads.

>>108024473
Mobo ram and cpu all came as a bundle. Bought it a year ago. Gaming PC focus.

>>108024270
>It's 12pm-3pm in America on a Saturday.
So the gamers are gaming and everyone else is outside doing something physical.

There's a peak hour for /g/pcbg and this is not it. I've been lurking the thread for a few weeks due to a new build and the thread whizzes past at other hours, I assure you.

>>108022966
That's more than I paid for 64GB CL28 last year but atm you have no choice if you need it.

>>108023072
> 32GB DDR5-6000 CL30 for $200 last week
You mean last year.

>>108022315
Just get a framework desktop

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>>108023413
picrel better

What's the issue with the fans on Thermalright coolers again? Can I not simply set a curve to account for any annoying fan noise? The difference between a Phantom Spirit 120 and a Be Quiet! Pure Rock Pro 3 here is about 10 dollars. Is that extra heatpipe worth the tradeoff of having allegedly worse fans? I hear the noise profile on the kraut fans is much more pleasant at the same noise level.

>>108024457
No

Did I fuck up not returning the P14 Pro and buying a be quiet! fan instead for 2 dollars more?

>>108024317
>>108024494
Okay so moot was right this place is nothing but SEA & Yuros now.

>>108024570
Why?

>>108024549
Nice.

>>108024549
I missed the boat on the 5070 Ti sadly so the best shot I had was the $830 before tax MSI Shadow, it was a toss up between the Zotac Solid, Gigabyte WindForce, and ASUS Dual at $550 before tax. Everyone kept telling me along with the AI slop that the ASUS cards are better and all that but my research suggested the Solid had more mass to it (0.96kg according to TPU, ASUS and Gigabyte were around 0.83kg I think) so my instinct was to buy that for more heatsink weight and surface area if the data is accurate along with that stupid light and the number of heatpipes. Having that 2-slot option gives me flexibility too I guess if I wanted to deshroud it with 120mm fans for better cooling and quieter noise though that small heatsink leaves me concerned even if it has 2 more heatpipes than my Ventus 3X 3060 Ti does. It will definitely run much hotter if I try to OC it to 275W, dunno how good of a lottery I would get with UV so it might hopefully mitigate it and keep it at least on par with stock performance at 200W. Though even at 200W OC'd my 3060 Ti does not run hot at all.

>>108024120
What gpu did you buy and what cpu do you currently have?

>>108024241
Because the only better noise-optimized fans are Noctua's G2s or the Fractal Momentum.

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>>108023604
> 80+ degrees Celsius
You should have monitored temps. That's what HWInfo & Co are for.

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>>108022446
Let me guess - they buy the 5800X3D because DDR4 Ram is still somewhat cheaper than DDR5?

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>>108024516
No, I mean last week bwo. Though I guess it was actually over a week ago.

>>108024562
Buy a Thermalright cooler and leave feedback.
Most Thermalright cooler buyers are happy with their purchase, but people have different ears & noise sensitivities.

>>108024595
That's the opposite of what I said.
Also, I don't recall m00t ever saying that and I think you were never on the site when m00t owned it.

>>108024653
This is people upgrading their AM4 rig. Imagine the people still stuck on Ryzen 1600AF. Instead of buying a new platform they just drop in a new CPU and bam massive increase.

>>108024622
Zotac Solid's cooler is fine, especially after an undervolt.

>>108024604
it's not worth it

>>108016236
blue lights are gonna fuck up your thermals bro don't do that

>>108024653
They wanted to get on AM5 but then they saw the DDR5 prices, then they saw 5800X3D trading blows with Zen4/Zen5/Arrow Lake in gaming.

>>108024681
> bought my 5800X3D three years ago for 339€
> could sell it used for ~500€ now

The current market in a nutshell

>>108024658
That's incredibly cheap. What's wrong with it?

>>108024702
blue loight siphons power from your pc cuz they take more energy to illoominate

>>108023923
all went well with the cpu upgrade, but now my fans are loud as fuck / pc is significantly hotter under less load. I don't know if the fan setting reset with a CPU change, but what settings should I change in bios with a new cpu in general?

>>108023413
>>108024549

They're really all the same, performance wise. Better to get the cheapest 5080 than a riced-up 5070 Ti.

>>108024756
It was sold on Amazon but was direct from the distributor. Probably a price error, but it was a limit of 1 per account, so may have been intentional.

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>>108024692
Large vapor chamber, 7 heat pipes, massive heat sink. Overkill. Could easily cool a 5090.
I only wish I could have the fans run below 1300rpm. It's fucking impossible. BIOS wouldn't allow it. Either off or 1300+. Stupid ZOTAC chinks.

>>108024768
What are the CPUs involved? X3D or 16 cores are generally hotter.

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Is this a good fan curve for every day use?

>>108024768
When you reset the cmos or add a new cpu all your bios settings reset including all your fan settings. So redo them. It's up to your ears/case.

>>108024779
Cheapest 5080 was much more expensive back then.

>>108020021
Did you paint your case or is this camera flash? I don't remember the Pure Base 600 coming in silver or white.

>>108024779
5070ti is much closer to a 5080 than a 5070 non ti.

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>>108024692
>>108024795
The 5070 cooler is not the same as the step above on the 5070 Ti and 5080. Those have more in common with the xx60 cards as with other AIBs.

>>108023527
This is the Zotac Solid heatsink on the 5070, compared to the 5070 Prime from ASUS.

>>108024806
i3-12100f -> i5-14600kf
>>108024812
ah shit. my PC was built for me, so i have no idea what settings reset or what to change if I went in myself

>>108024807
You don't need the fans to ramp up that high in the 60~70°C band.
The chip is safe if you set the maximum fan RPM past 85°C.
Whatever happens before that is down to your preference.

>>108024859
lol MSI 5070ti Ventus has 4 pipes, 5090 Ventus has 5, I think for a 5070 it will be fine.

>>108024859
The 5070 can be tuned to draw less than 200~250W while performing near/above stock GPU settings after an undervolt + OC.
That cooler's fine for the chip.

>>108024872
the most important things are making sure XMP is on, ASPM is enabled, and you configure your fan settings properly. some coolers & fans include guides on what to set per mobo bios otherwise just wing it your ears&temps.

>>108024872
You went from 4 cores/8 threads 58W to 14 cores/20 threads 125W.

>>108024872
Go to the BIOS' advanced CPU setting or somewhere else that displays the CPU's power limit.
PL1 and PL2 should be limited to 181W for maximum rated performance; some boards may set looser power limits.
If you want to tone down the power draw, change the PL1 to 125W.
Z690 or Z790 boards have more CPU voltage tuning options.

>>108024872
>i3-12100f -> i5-14600kf
If you're re-using the i3's stock cooler, it's not good enough to cool an i5-K CPU.
Even a $20 single tower cooler like the Scythe Kotetsu 3 will handle that CPU better.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rw7scf/scythe-kotetsu-mark-3-6762-cfm-cpu-cooler-scktt-3000

A dual tower Thermalright or be Quiet Pure Rock Pro 3 will be even better.
If you have a dual tower cooler and it's throttling the 14600KF, you fucked up the mounting pressure.
The heatsink might be loosely installed.

>>108024795
Plug the fans in your mobo and set a curve in fan control

>>108024161
That would be MSRP so yes

>>108024070
Hard to say. If you're willing to fuck around with optiscaler and wait for AMD's feature set to get gud, the 9070 XT could be worthwhile. If you want something that just works, the 5070

>>108024051
Not really, they'll play the majority of games at 1080p if you're fine with DLSS Quality

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>Check in on pricing for the first time in like a month
>5070ti is $1000
>60ti $550
>80 about to go to $2000
Waitfag status? lol

>>108024872
14600k is going to need actual cooling, ideally you get an aio.

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>>108023163
No way.

>>108023937
>anything else?
Time machine and buy any time during the three years between the launch of RTX 40 and about two months ago

>>108022537
yeah they are a total gamechanger for desk space and ergonomics. If those arms are anything like the ones I have you should be able to pop off the plastic part and use the inner-channel to route your monitors power+display cables. Could also grab a desk headphone clamp too.

>>108023559
>that hoverhand
She doesn't dare touch the greatness that is Hawking.

>>108023504
>upgrading
Not worth upgrading CPU from one gen to the next. Need AT LEAST 50% improvement, if not more for an upgrade to be noticeable

>>108025241
I wait fagged once, and lost my ass not buying MSRP 4090s. Never again.

>>108025248
they do have those, thanks

>>108022273
Any long term storage without fault tolerance is point

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>>108025058
>>108025241
I'm not using a stock cooler, im using a heatsink that looks similar to the one you linked, but I don't know what it's called.
>>108024925
okay I turned xmp on, but aspm has like 6 different options. which ones do i enable?

>>108023465
>>108023522
if linux try this, helped solve it for me. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Solid_state_drive/NVMe#Troubleshooting

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>>108025243
yarly
>>108025286
luv me raid 6 nas
>>108025241
poorfags are always getting raped nothing new about that. earning power is on a steady decline and they sure aren't smart enough to invest into high-yielding assets to beat inflation so waiting is a loser's game. Especially when you have limited time to enjoy a pc on the earth.

>>108025348
>aren't smart enough to invest into high-yielding assets
a gpu to make anime kid porn ain't an investment bruh

>>108025362
and you're too stupid to understand what i'm saying if you think i was referring to gpus with that. i think we need to go back to poorness being a mental illness. maybe restrict their internet too.

>>108025362
Have you seen 4090/5090/RAM/SSD prices? All would have net you more money than any stock or precious metal.

>>108025241
these are mexican tier prices where the FUCK are you buying?

Are brand new parts no longer an option for a budget PC without any fancy post-2020 tech?

>>108025484
>brand new parts
>a budget PC

lol a budget PC is no longer an option any more let alone having new parts for one

>>108025241
16GB and up has mega tax
24GB has mega milk tax

>>108024822
Meant for >>108021362

>>108025241
>14600k is going to need actual cooling, ideally you get an aio.
You can get away with good air cooler even with the 14700k.

I boughted a 5070 for $600 :/
I figured that getting a 2X performance uplift at the cost of a meager 12GB of VRAM is better than not getting any improvement period if we don't get GPUs for the next 3 years, I could be wrong like I was 4 years ago though
I really hope this stupid fucking power connector does not fail me compared to the good old 8 pins

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I listened to this damn board when it told me to go buy a GPU immediately so I got an msrp 5080 and all I wanna say is... thanks guys.

>Find part with slightly less insane pricing than the rest, from a known brand
>Look up what people think of it
>"Part bad brand bad don't buy"
>"Save and buy pricier option"
>Every time
It's all so tiring.

>>108016236
Any recommendations for an external disc drive?

>>108025688
Seconding. I want to start making an archive of my 4K blu rays.

If I have a $3-4k budget to blow for a PC built, would it be retarded to cheap out on a 4090, or should I just bite the bullet and get a fully high-end 50 series build?

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>>108025665
I already hate buying this card, I forgot how unimpressive this card is relative to the 4070 if you take into account the lowest scores only here.

What's a good GPU if I don't care about DirectX 12?

>>108025862
1050 ti

Is an AMD or NVidia GPU better for a Linux system?

>>108025484
Really not a good time to buy if you're on a budget. Even DDR4 is worth a pretty penny compared to previous prices, and DDR3 systems are weak and probably not an upgrade from what you currently have. Check back in late 2028 or early 2029. Otherwise, pay up, unfortunately.

Should i get Zotac Solid 5080 or PNY OC 5080? Which one makes less noise?

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Should I fuck with EXPO before I install windows?
First time build in 10 years

Thank God it boots
Updated bios from March to Sept 2025 for 1.2.7(1.2.07?) agesa
My first AMD build, 9800x3d
It's idling at 37-40c in BIOS is that good?
And I'm going to report back after I grab dinner and install the GPU
I am running off iGPU for now

Sadly I bought ram @600 USD in December before I bought anything else and didnt get qvl I think but it's 6000cl32 2x32 Corsair, made sure not to get an Intel only kit

>>108025665
>5070 for $600
Why not a 9070 XT at $650? Much faster and no melting connector.

>>108025950
check power up website charts

>>108025716
Prices suck ass right now so who knows.

>>108025950
Count the fan blades on each fan. The one with more fan blades runs cooler.

>>108025911
AMD no contest.

>>108025965
>Should I fuck with EXPO
If the sticks come with the profiles then just enable it, it just werks. Otherwise you're paying all that for JEDEC speeds also.

>>108025979
Tech Power up? Does this website details noise?

>>108025716
Cheap out how? It's faster than a 5080 and has 24GB, the issues would be the higher power draw and shit connector.

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>>108024410
The size of the schnitzel.

>I'll see myself out.

>>108025668
name of the twins?

>>108025862
Titan V

>>108025883
Not him but that one's a few bucks away from the 3050. Is it worth the risk?

>>108026111
I'm pretty sure even in raw raster, 3050 would beat the crap out of a 1050ti.

>>108024457
5070 ~= 3090 at raster, and better at DLSS 4.5. Same VRAM size than 3080 but less bandwidth.

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KomputerBase from germany made a blind test with over 400 Aymdrones between dlss 4.5 performance, FSR 4 and Native and over 90% choose DLSS 4.5 performance over native, until they published the article and realized they were voting for nvidia

XG27AQWMG or MO27Q28G? I can't decide.

>>108023465
seconding >>108025302
pcie_aspm=off pcie_port_pm=off amd_iommu=fullflush nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency_us=0

>people saying to buy amd and that the 285k is a letdown
>check bencmarks
>285k crushing everything

lol fuck off

>>108026186
Mine is 10gb

>>108026454
>285k crushing everything
lol stupid jeet stop lying

>>108026454
its on par or slower than the 5800x3d using ddr4 in gaming. intel only shines in productivity but even thats a big asterisk because if it involves avx512 or some cache bound scenario you may as well go amd.

>>108026454
techtuber benchmarks are fake
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/107992484/#107996200

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>>108026454
285k is slower than the 14900k it was to replace.

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>>108026476

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>>108026506
>>108026494

Are PCs becoming a hobby only accessible by youtubers?

>>108026544
No

>Youtubers

they throw out all of their shit because it's just production material, they don't give a fuck about anything

>>108026547
>No
tho i cant build latest pc and it is time to updoot
memory i require was $250 dollarydoos and it is well over $1400 now
and ssds are not 250-350 but 550 and over
>>108026544
seems so

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>>108026454
>trading blows with 14600k
>crushing

>>108026574
>tho i cant build latest pc and it is time to updoot

I believe that I can just work more hours to make up for the extra cost, I too am due an upgrade and I don't think its fair that I have waited this long just to get shafted an extra $900 or whatever the price hikes are.

I like to believe that I can make any situation work, but realistically, maybe buy your RAM/SSD on finance so you can at least avoid seeing a huge lump sum leave your bank, even if its still the same price, never take anything over 0% interest.

>>108025921
>>108025515
Somber.

>>108026578
>Relative Performance

People love to mash statistics together like this to say "uhhh yeah on average its weaker" and then you use a PC with the thing in it and the FPS is always better on the more expensive hardware.

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CPUs?

>>108026621
it has to be at least a 15% difference or higher for it to be noticeable.

>>108026652
>fastest in olympic sprinting, marathon and police chase

what else would you put there?

>>108026691
fastest in not paying the microcenter credit card bill

>>108026544
Not really. Obviously it sucks that the top tier hardware is absurdly expensive but there's plenty of second hand hardware that are almost ten years old that can still be used for a lot of decent games and various productivity tasks. If this happened 20 years ago we'd be talking about having to give up on even having 3D graphics and playing videos. Now its
>oh wow you can't game at 4K and you have to settle for 1080p? Fucking tragic my man.

>>108026680
Can I not just buy components based on the ones that I think are coolest?

>>108026738
That's exactly why people buy Nvidia. It's all cool and in the brand.

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>>108026652

>>108026007
It has both XMP and EXPO
I will try EXPO then XMP as a backup
MSI board also lets me do the Memory Try It! function which does adjustments automatically with timings which looks nice

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>>108026746
No, people clearly buy based on their budget.

Cheap motherboard, AMD, and whatever GPU that they can afford, the current trend is to put it in a square, mid factor case with two window panels, intake fans placed where the drive bays used to be, and in a white design. People are also putting figures in their cases. Pic related.

I want a new PC man.

>>108025965
>>It's idling at 37-40c in BIOS is that good?
that'll shoot up once it's inside a real case

>>108026454
they meant at 1080p low settings in fortnite not at stuff like rendering or other cpu multicore tasks

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>>108026544
Nope

>>108026788
>I want a new PC man.
just buy it
it doesn't matter
expensive yeah
just buy it
don't let money cuck you into never spending it
don't act like you won't get money to replace that money spent on the PC
just buy it
who cares just buy it
i had the same doubts
is it worth spending the money
should i waitfag for another fucking year to spend even more on parts 1 year from now
just buy it
1 year into current line up
things are pretty stable all around
well the tech is the prices are not
maximum how much you really spending an extra $500 an extra $1000? ok so you missed the boat last year
just buy it

>>108026652
>first jeets
>then AI
>now black people
yeah fuck you AMD

Fan guards.
Why?

>>108026454
It can be better for multi-threaded productivity workloads, and may need faaast RAM, for gayman AMD still is king especially for 1080p eyecancer settings.

>>108026838
I tell myself that if anybody really cared, they'd enquire as to how I spend my money and sit me down and budget with me.

I have an extensive family who seem to negatively judge me for how I spend my money, but they don't actually confront me or offer to help me cut back on impulsive spending.

I kind of feel like they care more about saying "I told you so" after catastrophe than actually trying to nurture a positive outcome.

But you are 100% right, I'll find ways to obtain more money to cover the cost of this PC. I really don't care what people say, even a $5,000 PC is peanuts compared to the amount of money people spend on clothes, holidays, cars, over the 5 years or whatever a PC will last you.

They don't know what they're talking about.

>>108026788
>No, people clearly buy based on their budget.
No, they don't anon.
They rake up credit cards.
The average boomer normie has like 4 of them.

>>108026900
Give those people an expensive gift for Christmas once and they'll shut the fuck up forever.

>>108026900
When people get mad at you for spending money on things, what they're really mad at is that you have money to spend on things you enjoy and they don't.

I don't understand why my boomer ass parents need to spend 2 grand twice a year to go somewhere like Turkey, Spain or France for two weeks, but that's what they do, and they insist it's important, and they'd be depressed without it.

Now, if I had that money to randomly go somewhere nice for two weeks, would I do it?
Yeah, probably.

>>108026900
Family will often get angry at you spending money on yourself.
>>108026933
is exactly right if you took that $5000 and gave it to them for a vacation or whatever they wouldn't bat an eye if you then spent $20,000 on a PC just for you

>>108026900
It's a social phenomenon. Most people don't know what computer do so they write it off as a waste of money. Young Gen X, Millennials and older Gen Z actually needing to learn about tech was an anomaly and things are returning to the retarded boomer baseline.

>>108026976
>>108026972
>>108026949
>>108026933
It's crazy how they could solve this whole problem by giving me a phonecall or asking me how I am doing.

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>>108027040
How are you doing anon?

>>108016236
any human users have feedback on the pulsar monitors yet, or still just out of touch techtubers?

>>108024653
>>108022446
i'm still on a 3600, but with a 4090 it works i guess. wonder if i should buy 32gb ram to run local models

>>108027086
Fucked my life up so bad that it's just not worth trying to re-integrate into society, it's too hard.

>>108027162
wtf thats like running a flat 6 in a toyota pick up truck

>>108027217
i've been meaning on changing out the mobo sometimes but the job market has been rough for two years and now LOL ram shortage