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>Tech News & Industry Insights
The Register - https://www.theregister.com/
TechCrunch - https://techcrunch.com/
Hacker News - https://news.ycombinator.com/
Fudzilla - https://fudzilla.com/news
ZDNet - https://www.zdnet.com
>Software Development & Programming
GitHub Trending - https://github.com/trending
DevDocs - https://devdocs.io
JavaScript, CSS, HTML sandbox - https://jsfiddle.net
MDN Web Docs - https://developer.mozilla.org
Stack Overflow Blog - https://stackoverflow.blog
The Missing Semester of Your CS Education - https://missing.csail.mit.edu
>IT Operations & Infrastructure
AWS Service Health Dashboard - https://status.aws.amazon.com
Cloudflare System Status - https://www.cloudflarestatus.com
DownDetector - https://downdetector.com
Microsoft Azure Status - https://status.azure.com
Microsoft Office 365 Status - https://portal.office.com/servicestatus
>Career Advice
Workers of the Tech World, Unite! - https://utaw.tech/
Interview Prep - https://www.wikihow.com/Calculate-Severance-Pay
Building a Resume - https://www.bentoandstarchky.com/dec/rants.htm
Salary Stuff - https://benefits.va.gov/BENEFITS/Applying.asp
Emotional Support - https://www.erowid.org/library/
People who will be going to /utwg/ shortly - https://layoffs.fyi
Job ad aggregator - https://hiring.cafe
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We should remember to love this site’s moderation
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I've been studying tailwind. It’s hard to balance college classes with an internship.
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Self-Employed
Paying women on OnlyFans and subscribing to Pokimane
• Provide direct financial support to independent online content creators
• Maintain over 20 active paid subscriptions across creator platforms
• Allocate higher funding levels to top-supported creators (e.g., Belle Delphine)
• Manage recurring digital subscription expenses
• Contribute to sustainability of creator-driven online businesses
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>>108021474
CSS is generally fairly easily transferable to tailwind, its more a framework.
It only helps if the company you applying to is already using it but honestly not that hard to learn so I can't see it giving you a big edge other than hr keyword spotting.
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Okay it's not funny anymore I want a job, where are the jobs
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Is this worth it? I've applied to something like 200 jobs so far and only gotten 1 interview, with 13 YoE.
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>>108022573
>I've applied to something like 200 jobs so far and only gotten 1 interview, with 13 YoE.
total boomer death
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>>108022588
You're going to be a boomer one day too.
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Are LinkedIn numbers broken today? How can there only be 20 applicants for a job like this posted almost 24 hours ago? I see another one for a junior web dev job posted 15 hours ago with only 6 applicants.
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Bros.
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>>108022424
No. Only apply to jobs if the listing insinuates they may be willing to sponsor you for a clearance. Look for something along the lines of "ability to obtain and maintain a security clearance" in the requirements for the position.
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>>108022968
Can I still be an honorary /utwg/ alumni if I got rejected/ghosted 500 times before I finally got an offer?
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>>108022965
Those are really rare though. I thought everyone said that the industry was desperate for devs with a security clearance. Doesn't it only cost like a couple thousand dollars to sponsor a clearance for someone?
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>>108023030
> Doesn't it only cost like a couple thousand dollars to sponsor a clearance for someone?
Try $40k. Also, the employer isn't allowed to assign work that requires clearance to an employee until they've actually been granted clearance, meaning for the first 3-12 months you're there, you're basically sitting on your ass NOT generating money for your employer. That's why they put such a heavy emphasis on finding people who already have clearance, or at least had prior clearance, as it speeds up the time for that employee to start putting in real work.
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>>108023218
a lot of the time they'll try to get you to apply in college a year or two before you graduate. that's what i did. it was nice because the process just kind of happened in the background while i was studying, and then by the time i graduated i already had a job lined up
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>>108023221
>why the fuck would it cost 40k to justify the salaries of the 50+ glowniggers who have to spend 3-12 months contacting your friends/family/coworkers, collecting fingerprints/polygraphs in military installations, and dig through hundreds of databases crossreferencing your social media accounts, tax filings, etc. just to tick a box with your name on it?
It is a mystery.
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>>108023223
WHY ARE YOU HERE IF YOU HAVE A JOB
GO AWAY HOLY SHIT
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>>108023255
Is it really that intrusive? Fuck that then, I'm just going to avoid clearance jobs altogether. If the government wants more software engineers working for them they shouldn't make you have to go through all this bullshit to get a clearance. Being a white US born citizen should be enough to automatically qualify you.
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>>108023283
>Being a white US born citizen should be enough to automatically qualify you.
This isn't the 80's grandpa.
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>>108023345
It's all so tiresome. How did this happen?
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Why do some people have it so easy?
https://www.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/1p6ijaz/job_search_e xperience_8_yoe/
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>>108023632
How is that even possible when the chance of anyone's resume even being looked at in the sea of thousands of applications for every job is probably close to 1%?
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>>108023689
no, i still had to apply, and they wouldn't have accepted me if i didn't have the ability. i had to go through technical challenges, interviews, etc. i just knew this company was actually hiring and wouldn't waste my time
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>>108023783
>directly contact the hiring manager of small/medium sized companies. It also helps if you're in a niche field that is very hard to replace.
this doesnt work lol. i cold emailed about 50 MSSPs and not a single one responded. i finally ended up getting hired off a zip recruiter easy apply lol
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>"do personal projects in your free time!"
>job applications never have anywhere to talk about personal projects
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google would rather have all their trade secrets stolen and sent to china than give me an interview
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I'm resigning myself to QA or Tech Writing at this point and even that's unlikely
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>>108025962
forgor pic
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>>108023345
doesn't really count. he was appointed that position by kristi dumb cunt noem.
>>108023283
tyrone mccrackhead is a US citizen. should he automatically be qualified for a clearance job? moron
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>>108026155
I can, but
>online application makes you fill out their own form
>nowhere to talk about personal projects on that form
>have been told directly by HR people they don't actually read the cover letter or resume, just the filled out form
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forgot about this thread not sure if anyone's gonna read the replies
>>108004161
sounds good, i do live in europe so it's a bit different but i think that's about how it works here
i think we have calc and linear algebra together and logic separately the 1st semester is practically identical between CS and math. calc 1 specifically is made to filter people but i still managed to fail linear algebra because i forgot to send some shit over, great :/
i imagine taking economy courses would be really fun. i vaguely recall someone mentioning that you can take some for free in each semester but beyond that theyre paid
i dont really socialize so i'm afraid of missing out on the networking aspect of uni but that's just the way i am.
>>108004121
>I don't know if it's the same where you live, but math for the first semester is essentially a repeat of high school math
that's a US thing we have 3 year undergrad and calc 1 is a bit different to what we have in highschool and if something overlaps it's much more theoretical and less computational
cs students take the same courses during 1st semester
>Maybe that's a local quirk then
no i mean like math is much less formal than programming which makes sense but having a limited CS background i never expected it to be so wild. My flavor of autism gets really upset at lack of standardized and vague or retarded noting conventions.
>Arguably math at a uni doesn't try to teach implementation and it shouldn't
of course, i do think economic focused specialization does focus a bit on computing
>1st year is hard unless you have connections or get a position within the uni itself
i imagine it's a bit different here
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just finished a shift at a normgroid min wage cuckjob and I think I would rather kill myself than do that ever again
im just going to huddle up and keep job searching and shoot anyone if they try to repo my car or evict me
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Thinking about moving out of Washington state. I chatted with the Google clanker and it said North Dakota had low competition. Am I stupid for considering this? I don't care whether its an ugly state with nothing to do, I just want decent work.
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>>108027819
If these people are struggling what hope do I have?
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>>108027137
Anxiety exists because your brain is basically in fight or flight mode. It can be irrational, but in a world where irrational things can happen, I won’t ignore it
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I interviewed for two jobs at the same company recently. First one went poorly (I have hardly any experience in that sub-field). I got rejected from that one, which I expected.
The second interview on the other hand was basically just a checklist of things I have experience with, eventually devolving into finding out the interviewer and I share similar hatreds of various languages, social situations, and natural environments. Easily the best interview (more like a semi-casual conversation) I've ever done. So if I get rejected from that one, uhh, I don't know. Do I just kill myself or something?
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>Try $40k.
I have never understood this. When I was getting my TS I was told it cost $250k and I was like that can't be right, so I looked it up and the source I found said ~$7k. That was a few years ago, looks like it's dropped to a bit under $6k:
https://www.dcsa.mil/Personnel-Vetting/Billing-Rates-Resources
But every time I hear someone talk about clearance cost they say a number astronomically higher than what this site says. So I don't know if I'm missing something or everyone else is just retarded.
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>>108025975
>UK
>Clinical and Non-Clinical Systems
God, I'd sooner blow my brains out than work in NHS IT again
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>5 yoe
>no degree
>last job I got after 2 months and 3 interviews (that was in 2023)
>8 months into the job search now and im barely getting interviews
gonna give it another 4 months of cope before I start lying that I have a degree from some local college
whats the worst that could happen?
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>>108031527
Why hide it?
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I'm officially free from /utwg/.
Not a tech job though (thank God).
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thread theme
https://youtu.be/6UH47wZPkeQ
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>at my uncle's house
>aunt tells me she knows a guy that works in tech at a local company
>"yeah just send me your resume and ill see if they have anything"
>check their linkedin page
>its a huge cybersec company with 500+ employees
>check their job listings
>"SENIOR SOFTWARE ENGINEER"
>7 - 10+ YEARS BUILDING AND DEPLOYING SCALABLE BACKEND SOLUTIONS IN C++ C# OR RUST
>3+ YEARS LEADING A DEVELOPMENT TEAM
>5+ YEARS WORKING WITH LOW LEVEL SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT AND EXPERIENCE WITH WINDOWS SUBSYSTEMS, REGISTRY EDIT, THREAD SCHEDULING, AND COM ARCHITECTURE
t-thanks....
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so how do i get experience?
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>>108035845
>telling someone who's suicidal to do doordash
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>>108035966
Have you ever done ubereats / doordash?
if you're 120+ iq doing a job like that is torture
you deal with bottom of the barrel trash, waste hours of your time doing repetitive menial work, get paid absolute dogshit, and everyone treats you like garbage.
You have to understand that these are not "jobs". a job implies there is an exchange. That is literal slavery. It's only possible because of america's exploitative tipping culture and a massive influx of low iq immigrants. This is organized corporate slavery specifically designed to keep these third worlders busy while a few kikes at the top profit.
You are better off staying at home and jacking off than participating in that for $9 an hour.
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>>108036021
>you deal with bottom of the barrel trash, waste hours of your time doing repetitive menial work, get paid absolute dogshit, and everyone treats you like garbage
Do you think the job you’re desperate to find won’t be like this?
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>>108036177
No dude. Not even remotely. I've been in rooms where I knew I wasn't the smartest dude around, but I could always follow along. You genuinely don't understand just how stupid 80 iq people are until you have to sit around in 40 degree weather listening to them talk about how they use their spare cash to illegally buy and flip cialis boner pills from their friend for $100 a bottle or how they bought an expensive bottle of perfume for their 19 year old girlfriend they met three weeks ago before they proceed to ask you how to post a picture on facebook.
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Should I get a masters degree in CS? I am an engineer, I know how to code but not employed in that capacity at all. I feel as if, despite what has happened there is and will be for the forseeable future, a higher salary cap for tech workers than other people. I work in defense and the salary of some truly stupid people compared to my classmates (ChemE) tends to baffle me. So, I imagine a smart and diligent worker could do well. Albeit it seems a lot more random and unpredictable.
I did take and enjoy a lot of CS courses in undergrad, which is not a huge indicator but probably at least a little important.
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>>108036317
Why the fuck would you ask the unemployed retards for career advice? holy fuck that says more about you than your question ever could
seriously, fuck off and do something else. You're not ready for this field.
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>>108036472
>Makes u think
yeah about how awful women are
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>>108036496
Cope. He has shown himself to be resourceful and useful to the community. He's curing ED and making money doing it, he can get this chick perfume without worrying, while you are doing what? Seething about him spoiling his gf on 4chan?
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happy monday, neetchuds
lets get back to grinding
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Could I make money by taking out search ads for online retailers and setting the URL to my referral URL? I wouldn't be stealing card numbers with a fake website or anything, I would just be commission sniping normies. Some websites have decent referral bonuses so if legal it could be quite profitable.
Am I missing something obvious?
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Why can’t some celebrity make a Grammy speech about H1Bs fucking off
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>>108040661
>celebrity
>Grammy speech
Anon, the entertainment industry is antiwhite. Why do you think they're going to do anything that would benefit White people or White countries?
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>job search makes me feel like a useless piece of shit
>stop searching for today
>work on my projects
>feel great again
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>>108025962
Based UKchad. I have been wondering why every single job I apply for always insists that I have the legal right to work in the UK, and when I say I do, I never hear back from any of them. Then I saw this news story:
https://hrreview.co.uk/hr-news/recruitment/fake-job-sponsorships-expos ed-as-migrants-pay-thousands-to-sta y-in-uk/385969
>Hundreds of migrants are paying thousands of pounds for skilled worker visa sponsorships tied to jobs that do not exist, according to evidence uncovered by a Times investigation, raising concerns about widespread abuse of the UK’s immigration system.
>The findings point to a growing black market in so-called “payroll-only” sponsorships, where individuals obtain certificates of sponsorship from licensed UK employers despite having no genuine role, no workplace duties and, in many cases, no legal right to work once the visa is granted.
>The investigation documented more than 250 examples of fake jobs being offered by agents and company representatives across multiple sectors, including hospitality, logistics, social care, information technology, finance and marketing.
le gasp
i am surprise
>>108027137
I have nine years of savings from my previous job. I don't need a job for several more months. But I really can't handle the lack of structure in my day; I can't handle the fact that you can't just turn up at NEETness and everything will work out. Every day, I think, "Shit! I need to do something!" and the more I try, none of which works, the harder it feels.
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>>108042965
better a troon than a chink or jeet
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>dropped out of my associates CS degree
>nonstop chudding and sneeding online
>apply to X
>rejected after an hour
Its truly over.
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>>108042982
>hired in early 2024
>millionaire little over a year later
kek why would you fuck over a company that was this good to you? he could have just retired after a 1 year long career
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Even if I somehow manage to miraculously get a job, it's going to feel like indentured servitude knowing that the chances of ever getting another job in this market are practically zero so I'm pretty much stuck there forever and have no leverage over my own employment or life. Life in 2020s is pure suffering and I wish I could have been born 100 years ago instead of in this miserable shitty excuse of a civilization.
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>>108043014
Actually I have years of experience and met every one of the qualifications of the job description. I even spent like 20 minutes writing up something that showcases some really impressive work I've done in the past and included a link to a project they can look at, but I know they never even read it because no new visits showed up in my website analytics between the time I submitted the application and the rejection email I got.
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>>108043604
The search is completely broken, probably by design. It never returns results for the actual keywords you're looking for. I'm guessing that it just sorts search results by how much money the employer paid to get their listing featured at the top.
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>>108043637
Turns out I'm retarded and missed the big "TURN OFF AI SEARCH" button.
>Go to set location
>Arbitrary list of large cities, none of which near to where I live
Guess it's useless even in this state
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>>108043659
start working on projects
clean up your resume and show your projects off
master your stack
come up with a story that doesn't sound pathetic when they ask you why you were neeting for a decade
pray that you get an interview
fail the interview
grind 500 leetcode problems to prepare for the next interview
if all goes well maybe you'll get a job 2 years from now
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>>108040597
>See a listing on linkedin
>under 10 applicants
>posted 2 weeks ago
>matches my qualifications
>easy apply (use the resume with my real phone number because I'm a retard)
>look online for more info about the company AFTER applying
>it's some indian staffing agency, not a real company
>all the leadership are jeets
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I just got fucking termed over the STUPIDEST shit that I DIDN'T EVEN DO. Not like production breaking -- stupid stupid HR shit where I AM THE VICTIM but retards from corporate think I AM THE PERPETRATOR (of a crime against myself?!?)
these niggas retarded, i swear
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>>108043208
lol the place i was interning at liked me so much they hired me even though i dropped out
just be funny and good at what you do. there are so many autists and/or incompetent people in tech that if you're even a little bit charming and smart you can easily go anywhere you want.
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I'm going to miss my NEET days
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>>108043857
Ni/g/ga it's even more retarded since it wasn't me. It can't be me. Here's the condensed story:
>Three years ago, old company
>Company CEO and HR manage begin to get hand-written, sometimes typed letters about me
>Naturally, no return address on letters
>Company asks if I'm doing this or if I know who is
>No fucking clue and I sure as shit am not trying to have meeting with the CEO and HR manager
>Move companies eventually
>All is going good
>Letters show up at my house now
>At neighbor's houses too
>Wtf
>BIZARRE, threatening, "concerned" letters show up at my new place of work
>Manager brings me into his office, concerned
>"I swear it's not me sending these weird ass letters" (true)
>A few weeks pass
>More letters about me hit new company
>Pulled into boss's office with an "investigator" from corporate who has "31 years of law enforcement experience"
>Wrongly assume that talking to this clown will help me stop the letters and find their author
>He starts digging into my history
>By the end, he asks
>"What if... what if you're writing all these letters?"
>wat
>Try to tell him I'm not, and that I wouldn't want to do this to myself, and I like my new job (also true) and that this is a detriment to my job
>"Okay anon we just want to help, you know?"
>This goes on for like five more meetings with these ex-cops. And they apply law enforcement level interrogation
>Everything I say that I think helps, or adds to some evidence they can pursue, they point back at me somehow
>Either they're completely misrepresenting what I said, or I have to walk them through my statements (I assume this is a cop technique)
>Four meetings with this retard, hour and a half long, includes his other partners in the meeting
>Last meeting, the fuckin HR CEO from corporate is here
>Sits in on my meeting
>I cry a lot as usual because I'm scared of being blamed and losing my job
>Get the call today
>Terminated
Not only do they have the wrong guy, I LIKED THAT JOB, FUCK
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>>108043936
uhhh so... who's sending those letters?
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Can I get a free Microsoft certification from somewhere, in case I wind up applying for jobs where I fix people's desktop computers? So many companies want me to know Windows and I don't want to buy Windows.
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It was me, har har har
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>>108023409
Easy to understand once you realize Republicans literally exist to tear down the government and make life worse for everyone. My aunt is a welfare queen and now that Trump reduced medicaid benefits, her insurance costs over $800 but she still defends him
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Indians are unironically right about White people.
The biggest tragedy of the 21st century is that all right wing chuds are retarded losers. Imagine if one of these loser wiggers dedicated themselves to mastering bioengineering and then developed some stealth virus that spread rapidly, was undetectable, and after a month exclusively exploded the organs of all jeets on earth.
But that's difficult, so instead they fuck off to a larp cabin in idaho and cry about "christcucks" all day online.
Even if jeets are low iq subhumans at least they strive for success.
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I made it to the take-home assignment for a company I really like. And instead of working all weekend on the coding challenge, I spent the whole two days playing Civ V like a fucking idiot. Now I'm rushing to finish it but I sure could have used a bit more time. WTF is wrong with me
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>>108044780
I can’t even get past the stupid HR woman filter and talk to an actual qualified person who knows what they are looking for. Equality was a mistake, women should stay at home and raise a family. They should not have any right to step foot in the workplace. How can someone, who has no experience in the position they are recruiting for, screen resumes and decide who gets shortlisted for an interview when they have no fucking clue what they are doing. It’s disgustingly broken and HR is simply a useless drain on society.
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>>108045141
I'm the opposite, buddy. I can talk pretty and women like me, but when I get to the technical phase of the interview I get knocked out hard. Sad to accept that I'm not as smart as I thought I was. And no, I'm not brown, just a dumb white dude
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>>108044025
if you actually live in DC just apply to jobs in DC. just not ones that say "active clearance required". government jobs also sponsor no problem.
i don't even consider jobs in DC even though i have a clearance because the commute sucks. many other people are the same so you might get lucky with someone sponsoring you.
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>>108018267
Is the IT job market equally as fucked as development right now? I graduated with a degree in computer engineering in 2022 and quit three months into my first software job because I hated every single person I was surrounded by. I have been working in a completely unrelated field since. I don't see myself ever working in development again, but I'm still interested in IT/Security.
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>>108045245
if you apply to smaller companies, even ones that say "clearance required", if you're good enough during the technical interview and impress them, they are occasionally willing to waive the requirement and put you in for a clearance
t helped run technical interviews for one of said companies
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>>108045648
to the gas chambers at once! bring a shovel.
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indians do 0 interviews and get hired. bet ur "antiracist" mommy and daddy didn't tell you that's the price of their antiracist religion.
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>had HR screener interview today
>went really well
>already scheduled me for an interview with the hiring manager on wednesday
BROS?????? This would be my first SWE job after changing careers.
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I have an interview tomorrow that I almost definitely won’t pass. This is the problem. I only get interviews with companies with insane hiring practices. I’d give 3 Faang interviews for 1 interview with a normal company, because at least I’d have a chance. But only the best companies are hiring rn.
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>get a job interview from a placement agency
>it's some literal repurposed hole in the wall apartment
> i need a job so i dont care
>walk in, one side of the front room is several meeting desks with that fake wood wallpaper shit, the paper is peeling off most of them.
>has a few early 2000s flat monitors lining them, one is turned on.
>the other side is 1990s dell computers in unmanned cubicles
>interviewer comes out
>Big boy
>like walking bean bag fat
>has the autism aura
>I extend my hand and give a "hey nice to meet you"
>he shakes it and says "nice to meet you. MYEAH"
>he has a verbal tic that makes a horse noise
>I say nothing, don't even crack a smile
>we go into the back, a bit more lived in, floors stained with bullshit, that blue faux carpet nonsense
>he shows me this and that on their data
>"we mostly use Blazor here MYEAH. have you had much experience"
>I had some at my last job
>autismal but he seems okay
>he tells me we need to go back to the front to "conduct the interview"
>in the weird meeting room
>we sit awkwardly side-by-side because of how the room is set up
>it's bullshit questions
>"How would you pass the current user to the main menu MYEAH"
>"How do you deploy in Azure MYEAH"
>"If you had to explain to a client MYEAH...why you chose blazor, what would you say?"
>Im anxious because I want a fucking job
>feels surreal
(pt 1 of 2)
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>average iq of cs grads is 124
>only the top 30% get hired now
>you basically need an iq of 140 just to get any kind of swe job
I don't think I'm cut out for this industry.
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>get through the interview
>it's been an hour.
>"Ok MYEAH. We are now going to do the technical interview. We need you to take 10 minutes MYEAH to come up with pseudocode for these problems and then implement them."
>Okay great whatever
>"Please copy all the files from the data_january folder, creating a file per column, delimited by spaces, and then send files with a above 50 entries to main and below to Comm
>"Please write your pseudocode out in Word MYEAH'
>...
>im panicking a little, this is a lot of tiny little bullshit work to do in a short amount of time
>as im working, the fat interviewer gets a call from his boss
>"yeah he's still here MYEAH, I know it's been almost an hour and a half."
>what the FUCK
>i say whatever, okay, check my fucking pseudocode
>he looks it over
>the file I wrote it in was a csv
>"Umm...you know what a csv is right?"
>I just shrug yeah sure
>"okay MYEAH. email this back to my computer and we'll try to implement it.
>try
>the email doesn't work, they have some assbackwards firewall blocking their own emails
>"MYEAH just put it on this flash drive".
>Word freezes.
>i get frusturated
>"why do I need to email it?"
>"MYEAH you can only access the data from the back on those computers."
>I don't look at the fat guy
>I can only access the data from the back computers I whisper to myself
>"I think i'm good."
>I walk to the exit
>"Wait but you have the rest of the interview MYEAH"
>"I'm good."
>close the door.
>get in the car
>call the temp agency and yell out loud at the lady about having to do an hour-and-a-half interview with a fat autistic man who goes MYEAH every half second
>the agency never contacts me again
>have a stable life now not working for a fat MYEAH autist
Walking away was the best decision I ever made. Remember anons, you don't have to settle.
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>>108043659
Do what >>108043679 suggested but make a portfolio website and post your learnings daily on twitter, treating it kind of like a devlog. Grind's definitely Indian coded but it's a great way to showcase your skills and advertise yourself doing that. Helps that a lot of startups interview and hire people from this 'pipeline'.
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>>108043659
>10 year employment gap
kek
your degree is worthless now, employers would consider it outdated at this point. you would need to go back to school and get a masters or something so you could rebrand yourself as up to date
yes i realize most of what you learn in school is old knowledge but that is how they see it
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>>108045937
The only reason you hate Indians is because they are encroaching on your middle class, white collar lifestyle you thought you were entitled to.
Also, the next generation will embrace Indians as part of the "American identity" just like what happened with blacks, then hispanics, then asians, and you will be seething forever while Gen Alpha post on this forum about "based Indian bros"
Also white women will start fucking them, this already happens in massive numbers in Canada.
Also, all of this is your fault specifically, and this is the price you pay for not being racist when it would have counted.
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>>108045562
>how many interviews do you get per like 100 applications?
I haven't even applied 100 times (for this round of job seeking, I have in the past though) and I've gotten about 8 interviews. 4 of those moved me on to the second phase.
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>>108048325
1. You probably over think things and ruminate constantly, this is the curse of an intelligent mind
2. Stupid people don't self doubt themselves because they know no better.
3. The hiring process is paved with other idiots, they won't understand or even relate to you, but will their fellow fucktards.
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I had a rather disappointing experience with my old supervisor. Four years ago I had a full stack position at some small company and I left company cause they paid me dick and I got a much better job offer elsewhere, like a 1000 euro more for less work. Since then the guy seems to be keeping a bit of an eye on me, occasionally messaging me to ask how I'm doing every time I was in-between jobs. Recently he messaged me saying they were looking for a new developer to pick up my old tasks so I figure fuck it, I've been searching for a new job since May of last year.
The job interview went fine, my job coach came along and we had a good chat. I already knew the details of what they do and what they're up to now (an old colleague keeps me up to date on Discord here and there) and obviously I can do what they're asking for and more now cause I've been busy picking up skills since. Then we had our contract negotiation and he leads in with "I know we severely underpaid you back in the day, we realize that now so we're making you a good offer: 450 euro above minimum wage, gross, for a full work week, but you'll only be working 4 days in the week". I do some quick calculations in my head and realize I'd come out to less than minimum wage gross. After he and my job coach were done chatting I gently brought up I was hoping for more and he immediately got defensive, saying "this is it, I can't offer more and I can't promise it'll get any higher in the future", "it's much more than what we paid you before and we gave you nice benefits like paying your phone bill", "if you're gonna to be like this then you should just apply to a different job and we can just hire freelancers again to do your work" and so on.
It was really strange, I've never seen an interviewer get offended like that before. I thought it was called a contract negotiation because we were supposed to negotiate.
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>>108048965
So after a week of negotiation with my job coach involved, the final offer was raised by a hundred flipping euro. 550 above min wage. My supervisor actually had the audacity to claim that this is a "standard salary" for this kind of work and that he doesn't want to "start conflicts" at the company because my old colleague, the only developer left, gets paid that exact same salary. The guy who can't even make a working Android app that communicates with Google APIs, kept blaming problems on our users and loved to make me fix his broken websites? You want me to do everything he can't, fix his shit, and pick up more skills (swear to god my supervisor even brought up writing as a skill I could pick up which they could use) and he can only offer me 100 euro more than the office retard? And my job coach actually thought it was a good deal and that I should've taken it. If he weren't a free deal from the government I would've fired his ass.
My old colleague told me yesterday the supervisor actually asked the support team if anyone knew someone who could do some website maintenance and shit. I was under the impression I wasn't the only candidate for the job so I guess nobody bit. You would think that's a wakeup call for a company where people keep leaving to pursue better paying jobs, I'm like the third out of four people who've done so in the past five years, but I guess my old boss is too busy planning another skiing or Ibiza trip to care. I wish I was exaggerating but he still goes on vacation 8 times a year or something.
I'm rather depressing this was the only fucking job offer I've gotten since getting laid off in May. My dad said there was an opening for a senior full stack developer at his company so maybe something will come out of that, I dunno. But fuck me this job market sucks.
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@grok tts this and play it over a minecraft parkour video with captions
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>>108049031
you probably don't want to work with a hot head like that anyway
In march 2020 I was unemployed for 8 months because I couldn't find a gig. I got extremely lucky eventually with a gooberment job because the manager saw ETL on my resume. Retardation.
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Can you share a vocaroo of what the MYEAH sounded like?
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>>108049652
>>you probably don't want to work with a hot head like that anyway
If it's this painful to get a raise? Yeah, definitely not. I don't see the point in picking up everything my boss asks me to (and they ask you to pick up a lot outside of your job description at small companies) only to get offered a pissant's salary.
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>>108048965
>It was really strange, I've never seen an interviewer get offended like that before. I thought it was called a contract negotiation because we were supposed to negotiate.
I once went to a company for a junior dev job, I didn't qualify for that but was then invited me back to interview for an IT support job (which I had been working in for years by that point)
They'd made it out that it was a new role to assist the IT Manager who was solo to that point, and that I'd get some dev experience too
So I took it because I'd already burnt out and left my last job because they were taking the piss with salary.
This new place also paid a shit salary, but still a bit better than the last place, basically gas lit me during the interview to convince me it was a decent salary
That should've been a red flag, but I was eager to get another job straight away, plus the dev experience was enticing.
I was there a few months and the guys in the office would chuckle and go "Still here? You've lasted a lot longer than the other ones"
Other ones???
Turns out he'd gone through about a dozen other people before me, so not a new role at all.
I had no idea what had driven them off, I assumed it was just that the place's IT was cheap and shit and the pay was crap.
I found out why about a year later (which by the way had a lot of people congratulating me because I'd lasted longer than anyone else in the role).
Turns out the reason people had left was because this IT Manager had an incredibly fragile ego, probably a male BPD judging by the way he flipped out over a minor disagreement. He started yelling at me, calling me insubordinate, he rung up his boss (who was the finance director) asking to have a meeting straight away (it was near the end of the day), the FD managed to talk him down and set up a meeting the next day.
We had one and the FD more or less took my side, and that the paki IT Manager was being an unreasonable bitchboy (not that he said that or took any action)
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>3 YOE
>live in a country with easy gibs
Is there a single reason I should bother with the humiliation assembly line and not just suck money from the state while working on my own project? Every job I apply to likely has at least 5 other people with 2x my YOE.
Either that or be a criminal or something.
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2/2
I think the only reason I lasted as long as I did is because I probably have a BPD mother, so I've learnt to keep quiet and tip toe around these people because it makes life easier.
Except it doesn't, bottling shit up is unhealthy and eventually brings you down. I ended up going on sick leave for a few weeks whilst there because the stress finally caught up to me and I had a breakdown.
Everyone else was pretty welcoming, except my Boss who'd already tied my desk away when I came back unexpectedly, when I came back.
I probably should've stayed off sick longer, but I was drugged up on Zoloft so not in a rational mindset, which is probably also why instead of staying quiet like normal I challenged him on something.
After that meeting and seeing what a cunt he could be, I left pretty soon after to do something else.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if they're going to fuck you over during the point where they're trying to entice you in you should take it as a sign that they'll fuck you over later and won't give a shit about you when they think they own you.
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>>108050108
Being a turd on the wall for 15 years
He was the one that setup all their database systems (did fuck all with the Windows Domain though, I made all that), so basically made himself invaluable to the company, plus he was buddy buddy with all the directors and business owner.
It's pretty telling that after the company was sold he only lasted there a couple of years before moving (or probably moved) on.
And every other company he's worked at he's only been there a few years. Strange for a manager...
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>>108049652
I did my best recreating it
https://voca.ro/1ccwY2q9CsPi
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>might have just gotten rejected from a min wage job because they asked me "how long do you expect to be in this position"? and "around a year" was not the correct answer
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I dunno if WAGMI
I'm employed currently and still can't find other tech work, even as a senior engineer with 2 yoe at a faang lmao.
The market is fried beyond belief and I think they are trying to hide/cover it up as much as possible. The white collar job reports have already been beyond grim the last 8 months, and continuously worsening, and even then I'm sure its still worse than reported.
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>>108051197
Junior/Entry-level has been hell. 400 applications and I'm picking applications that are <= 2 YOE. 1 interview for a startup ( I didn't match their vibes ). And just now, I'm on my second interview for an enterprise loan origination company. I'm supposed to somewhat know .NET and C#, both of which weren't on my resume. So I am speedrunning the basics of both.
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>>108051197
Probably not. My boomer manager from my last job is working as an IT infra director at an f100 company and he said that currently it seems even more fucked than the dotcom crash from what hes able to gather.
>>108051206
People are claiming (prboably juniors) that its better at the top level of experience, but it isn't either. None of us can find jobs.
Not sure how it is for managerial types, but for seniors it aint much better right now, I assure you.
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>>108051147
This shit is fucking driving me insane I can't take it anymore
All of these bullshit games HR plays even for retard wagie shitjobs FUCK
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>>108051179
I don't know either. I have pretty good experience and I can't get interviews easily. People say it's muh covid boom, but I got into the market before covid and it was way way easier for me to get interviews as a junior back then than it is for me now.
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>gif
Exactly how I feel having just noticed that my application is being reviewed by a female talent acquisition consultant for a fucking programming position. I doubt she's ever written a hello world in her life.
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>>108051389
Yup same. I worked and job hunted prior to the covid era, and it was WAY easier. Everytime someone tries to blame it on the market "correcting for overhiring" I remind them I was employed and had jobs prior to covid and remember what that was like, and this is not that.
Plus more people have been laid off in the last 12 months than pretty much ever, and the quarterly job reports keep getting worse over the last year, repeatedly being in the deep red on job losses in pretty much every sector.
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It's fine. I'll just go to grad school and get my masters. The market will heal in 2 years and I'll be able to jump ship to FAANG making 300k+ tc
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It's me. I'm the problem. I'm one of the only real humans left in a world of subhumans.
>company sends me a link to an interview website
>it's AI interviewing
>I never respond
>get a call from a recruiter with a thick indian accent
>I space out
>never answer their calls or emails again
These pipelines are designed for bottom of the barrel subhumans, but I demand to be treated like a real person. I would rather stay unemployed than play the game.
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>>108051990
It's funny that you mention that, last month I talked with an old colleague that works for a mainframe vendor and he said that all the COBOL and ALGOL jobs are dying thanks to AI.
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>>108051994
Just make your own company bro
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Just had an interview for unpaid internship
One hour of theory questions, spanning backend, frontend, relational, non-relational databases, dev ops basics, network concepts, React, Node.js, architecture, data structures, Docker, testing
Mostly not that hard questions, I think I knew 90% of them, but the sheer breadth of stuff you need to know to perform free slave labor nowadays is... Interesting
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>>108035793
You work in the industry for about 8-15 years until you are good enough to be fired or laidoff for being 1)too expensive 2)asking too many questions about gaps in the requirements or 3)accused of demeaning non-technical analysts by pointing out flaws in their designs.
Then you find a new career.
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>>108027627
I'm doing the job of 3 people and getting paid for 1.
And I'm also doing unpaid overtime work, as in I get paid nothing, for doing overtime and weekend time.
I'd bail, but I got nothing better lined up so I must grind through this shit for now.
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>recruiter reaches out to me
>sends me an OA
>automated system tells me I passed the OA
>get ghosted
>few weeks later get told I'm no longer under consideration for the role
this is the 3rd time this has happened to me
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>>108052738
hate this shit. aced jpmorgan's and ibm's, but they're both jeetmills so my shit was thrown in the garbage bin.
Shouldn't send those stupid things if you're not even under consideration but it just wastes our time and not theirs, so fuck us right.
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>>108043208
I got a couple of certs and landed a comfy networking gig after a couple of applications. Works on my machine.
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>>108044298
>it's TRUMP's fault welfare leeches can't abuse the system anymore!
This is a bad thing how?
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>Security clearance in a weird spot
>Recruiter calls about job that sounds pretty great
>"I'll call you on Friday... oh wait, unless there's a problem with your clearance, then I'll call you right back"
>mfw
Well the work day is over and I haven't heard back, so I assume I'm good h-haha
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Daily reminder for desperate NEET, don’t take “support” roles even if you’re desperate for a job. ,mcdonald is better than being a digital mcdonald 24/7
At least there you just flip burgers. You’re not checking if the burger was flipped correctly, or if the customer ate it wrong, or being forced to work unpaid overtime because some shit happened an hour after your shift and now you’re expected to fix it the same day, holy shit, I’m really using a food analogy
At least do helpdesk, or be an actual janitor at a tech company, instead of being a cyber janitor
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>not qualified for call centers
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>Getting some wagie pity $17/hr cuck job through nepotism (my uncle is a manager at the company and told HR to skip me to the front of the queue)
>HR calls me today
>"Yeah sorry you can't start. Management just put an indefinite hiring pause and we don't know when it will resume"
It has been a comically hellish experience to get this job, maybe once I start I'll tell the entire tale
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>Perhaps I should revisit my special area of expertise
>Google search for "hosting companies in [area of the city I live in]"
>First results are IONOS and Wix
>Next results are literal individuals who have manipulated the SEO and live on the other side of the country
There just isn't anything, is there?
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>>108048742
>You probably over think things and ruminate constantly, this is the curse of an intelligent mind
>2. Stupid people don't self doubt themselves because they know no better.
100%. I noticed my dumb friends were very happy and spontaneous. 10 years ago I resolved to live like a total idiot, but tempered with my actual intelligence. I started taking risks and just doing shit even if its dumb. I immediately became more successful and happier.
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>>108055778
I was doing it for le experience because I had some money saved up, and it was my first SWE job.
Then, they started making me do sales and talk to clients directly without pays + works on the weekend. I just left that shitty start up after that.
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>>108055790
>unpaid internship at a startup
goyim in abundance
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>>108055799
Forgive this naïve goyim.
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>>108056079
it's closer to 1300 at this point and i'm UEV in gtnh
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>>108056075
I don't know what the fuck an olive oil tactic is, but the videogame-related things I would unironically put on my resume are stuff like:
>High-ranking MMO guild (or equivalent) leader
>EVE Online CSM
>Esports
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6HOV0L8SZk
I don't think I would put speedrunning on there. That shit is way too autistic.
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golly gee, 3 whole days!?
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>>108050105
>Is there a single reason I should bother with the humiliation assembly line and not just suck money from the state while working on my own project?
take the easy gibs and work on your project, but use it as a chance to pick up skills that will put you ahead of other candidates in the future. I picked up K8s on my own and most interviews I got asked me about that.