>>108044445
Everybody is doing it, at least everybody that knows how to do it and lives outside the debt scheme established in the US

>>108044445
Fossil fuel lobby doesn't want it.

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in an ideal world we'd be using little RTGs in everything but humans are stupid and money wont allow it

>>108044445
Reminder that first oil drilling was done in 1850s. Ford Model T came about 50 years later in 1900s.

First Photovoltaics became a thing in 2000s. Technology is still maturing, give it some time.

>what is weather

>>108044597
How does the fossil lobby prevent people from installing solar?

>>108044445
>solar panels are free money
They take a decade to even break even in most cases, assuming you live in a state where natural disasters won't destroy them, or damage, prior.
Some States, countries do not mandate energy companies have to buy back your electricity, and ones that do vary as far as how you get "paid". Very few states will pay you the actual going rate of electricity per kWh. Some states only allow crediting so excess energy is basically wasted if you don't actually buy energy from the energy companies. There really is only a handful of states, and energy companies, that will PAY you for the energy outright.
Also most panels won't last beyond 25-30yr, especially when people do no maintenance (likely will cut their lifespan further). Which means you have the potential to "make" money for only 10-15 years on average if you live in a state or country that actually outright pays you for the energy via the companies you have to work with.

>>108044445
Yes, we all watched that one video from that one channel.

>>108044676
>They take a decade to even break even in most cases
In my country panels are 10 cent per Watt and they are pretty much giving inverters away. This is because of the market crash, but it is what it is.

If you like DIY as a hobby and you aren't in some country which forbids electrical DIY, it makes no sense not to put in more PV.

>>108044673
With propaganda and misinformation.

>>108044445
I believed this crap and now I have to pay double.

I paid less than 1000 dollars a year because my house is small and is just me.
fucking nigger knock my door and told me about stupid solar crap, he said that if I get the plan "this shit doesnt really work" I can pay 600 bucks a year instead 1000, told him it would be better to double the solar and now you niggers pay me to live.
none of the installers had solar shit that gave me my first red flag, they know that shit doesnt work.
first panel bill was 120 dollars for the next 25 years, I was allright no problem not gonna pay any electric bill and the overproductions is gonna be 600. Next electric bill came at 70 dollars and I was like where is my overproduction nigger you supossed to pay me, oh yeah we buy your overproduction at 1/10 of what we sell it to you, here is your 10 dollars discount. Want to not to pay us, invest in this 100 000 battery set up...
fuck you nigga Im going to this other company waste of time and money, they pay me 1 to 1. First electric bill came in you owe us 80 BUCKS, why you are paying me 1 to 1, well yeah but it is in credits and those are worthless give us the cash, still you have 600 credits that you CANT sell just use them however the fuck you want...

Is insanely fucking stupid, now I pay twice and have a shit ton of credit that I dont have any use for it.

>>108044676
>10 years

No, solar is so cheap nowadays you can break even in 5 years. And half of that if you own an EV because you've replaced gas with free electricity.

Only for homeowners with a roof or a yard.

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>>108045186
> No, solar is so cheap nowadays you can break even in 5 years.

I'll give some anecdotes since I live in the southwestern US which is a prime location for home solar given our 300+ days per year of sun. It's like $20k for a home solar setup. At 120 months you can average that cost at about $166 a month. During the summer months my peak electricity is probably about $260/month. That's for maybe 3 or 4 months. During the winter my electricity bill bottoms out at $60 - $80 per month. That would mean the cost of solar, if it completely supplanted my electricity usage, would drop my peak summer bills by roughly %40 but would also at least double my winter electricity bill. Plus now I get to punch a bunch of holes in my roof and maintain equipment and batteries. I am not the biggest electricity consumer so perhaps if you have a big house that you keep at 72F in the summer with all kinds of other things running, then it would make sense because it would probably cost less that electric bill. For me it would likely cost more than what I would just pay to the electric company, which is the same for huge swaths of the population here. Not to mention the people who live in other areas of the country who get much less sun. There is something to be said for telling a company to fuck off though.

> And half of that if you own an EV because you've replaced gas with free electricity.

What's the cheapest EV you can buy in the states? Like $30k? So in this scenario you go an extra $30k in which you are hoping to recover from your solar panels? At 120 months that's $250 a month. Gas doesn't cost that much. Hopefully nothing happens to that EV in the mean time, like the battery needing a replacement. Not to mention then you get to drive that cuck box around.

All in at this point I am hoping to recover $416/month for 10 years to break even?

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volcanic winter, what now home slice?

why don't people just run on a diy electric generator treadmill to exercise and power your anal vibrator???

>>108045442
>It's like $20k for a home solar setup
If you DIY that's 100+ kWp.

I remember doing the math and realizing even with gas costs an ICE car was still cheaper than an electric over time. All it took was doing a little of napkin math. I don't think the Technology Connections guy ever picked up a napkin.

>>108045442
>directly quoting the video but forgot to append ""
ngmi, atleast write your own posts retard.

>>108044445
Installation costs are too high, solar panels are too expensive because of tariffs and value added taxes. And the cables to the main grid are too expensive. The government approvals are too expensive to set up farms.

High upfront cost, people can barely afford groceries

>>108045494
Literally no idea what you are talking about but that doesn't change the fact

>>108045528
Then why not take out a loan? If it makes profit in the long-term it's a no-brainer.

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>>108044639
The first petrol car was a German one built in 1885. Why focus on the Model T? They were already using petrol way, way before it arrived. Stop twisting things to fit your distorted worldview

Solar is amazing if you can pair it with batteries. It's meh without batteries

>>108044445
it took a while before panels that got 25% efficiency became available to the general public, previously only the military had access to panels that efficient, so now they probably have shit that's 60% efficiency if we get the crumbs.

>>108044900
Yeah you're retarded, no need to write a novel about it

>>108044445
Used to cost too much after we destroyed the dollar due to oil.
Now, thanks to China, solar is affordable despite half of the cost being "installation".

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EG4 CHADS HOW WE FEELING?

>>108045849
>Now, thanks to China, solar is affordable despite half of the cost being "installation".
You're retarded and brown if you don't install it yourself. It's so easy to DIY

>>108045977
I'd rather just pay Juan to do it.

>>108045608
Because that was the car for the masses. If you want an expensive gimmick that's the equilavent of the first petrol car, you can get it right now too.

>>108045977
Show us yours.

Biggest problem is companies are trying to squeeze goyim as hard as possible and since most places have bullshit like permitting and regulations on electric work, you might not have access to actually build a good and useful solar array.

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>>108044445
the only issues are
>upfront investment that takes years for roi
>extreme levels of propaganda by oil jews to make you think it's gay to not get fucked in the ass by (((them)))

>>108044445
Alright solar niggers.
It's the coldest its ever been here and I just looked up my daily usage for keeping my small 900 sq. ft. house barely livable and my average is 50kwh a day.
Can a solar panel system do that completely by itself? How many panels and batteries would be required to keep me off the grid indefinitely?

>>108045442
Bruh where are you quoting that’s costing you $5/W, look for $2/W - the panels themselves are $0.30/W in the US (maybe $0.40/W now), but getting them direct from China use to be $0.15/W idk what it is with tariffs now

>>108044673
control the regulatory environment you fucking retard

>>108046339
What regulations prevent you from installing solar that doesn't also apply to all other power?

>>108046232
Depends on what country and where in that country you are in. You also need to measure the amount of sunlight your home or area gets throughout the day and year and do an estimate on how long it'll take for the panels to start making returns. Most solar companies should do this already for you before they blindly slap shit up or at least that's what I learned what one solar company does here in the US.

It looked like they use some kind of software and tool that measures sunlight around your home and accurately tell you weather or not you'll benefit from using panels. Probably why so many people who had solar panels had problems with them because they don't do this shit and just slap any old chink solar panels and expect returns, not knowing there's different types of panels for different climates and conditions.

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They've convinced entire generations of men that it isn't masculine, and that running ICEs and being beholden to the oil industry is what being a man is all about. Wild.

>>108044445
I have some for emergency backup, but putting them on your house is currently a scam in the US. There are so many fees and shit that it takes over a decade to break even, makes no sense. Jewed in some way

>>108044445
Tech wasn't there for a long time, also it's inherently anti-capitalistic to produce your own electricity goyim.

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I've ran solar now for like a year in my shitty cabin and I can tell you for sure that dog most people are not ready.
I have 2500w of panels installed and it's enough to run a low power pc and a fridge 24/7 full year, with maybe a budget of 150w on top of that, some of which goes to like surveillance cameras and network.
This number sounds low but that's what winter does with clouds and storms and stuff, in summer I have much more power.
Like even full diy, the upfront cost is higher than most people are comfortable spending at once, like I'm at 800 on inverters/chargers, 400 on bms, 1700 on battery cells, 0 on cables, 200 on mounting, and like 300 on a backup battery system.
The fucking panels were like 250. The solar panels are almost the cheapest part. They would cost less than racking for them if it wasn't for me using a bunch of trash to mount them to.

>>108046830
It's not a generational thing. This shit happened back with Bush, and with Reagan, and pretty much every generation had a certain number of people go right wing and turn into boot lickers for traditional industries all for free.

>>108044445
Free money for China

>>108046928
>Like even full diy, the upfront cost is higher than most people are comfortable spending at once, like I'm at 800 on inverters/chargers, 400 on bms, 1700 on battery cells, 0 on cables, 200 on mounting, and like 300 on a backup battery system.
That's for sure, but some countries actually subside installation/the panel price. There are some comfy deals out there.

>>108044445
>it will instantly solve all the world's energy problems.
Not all.
There are some things that solar just can't keep up with. Not with still sitting in a reasonable footprint at least.

>>108044626
They have their uses. It isn't everywhere.

>>108044639
>First Photovoltaics became a thing in 2000s
So what you're telling me, as that a child in the 80's I didn't have a calculator powered by solar cell? You should kill yourself you stupid cunt.

>>108044676
>They take a decade to even break even in most cases
Panels are probably the cheapest part of the system, the wires can cost more.
Mayhaps you mean the batteries?

>do not mandate energy companies have to buy back your electricity
paying a fraction of baseband (typically) will take a long time to "repay". However, that's entirely the "wrong" way to be doing it. The much higher residential rate it's not pulling from the wall will 'repay itself' *far* faster.
And more importantly keep going when that stops.

>Also most panels won't last beyond 25-30yr
Lets assume there isn't bricks involved, and this is just the natural lifecycle decay of the panels...
You can expect to lose 0.5% to 0.8% a year. Lets be unkind and easy math for 1%. In 30 years you can expect to lose 30% on that panel. If that gae you 100W before, it'll give 70 now. That's still usable...

>potential to "make" money
Wrong scale. You don't want residential scale for that. You wanna be *not spending money*, which if done right can provide far more value than making it.

>>108044900
So... You didn't bother to read and or understand the contract and somehow this is the fault of the technology?

>>108044445
>10KW Panels and Inverter
Cost: $3500
>Installation in America
Cost: $22,000

I wonder who's behind all of this...

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A lot of people quote "~20 years" as the lifespan of solar panel because they're basing this off polycrystalline panels. This was the popular panel back in the 2010's. Since the 2020's, we've been using monocrystalline panels, which gives them a life span of ~40 years.

20 years is plenty long, but 40 years is basically the rest of your life once you actually get them. I think some places even give you 20 year warranties.

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>>108046578
idk what faggot ass place you live but here's one of the many regulations that disincentivize solar for private users. The long term goal is to make it a criminal offense to not give them your money/labor/time in exchange for nothing.

>>108046930
As opposed to bootlicking green energy companies and government taxes?

Oil, Gas and Coal are here to stay libtard.

>>108047085
What, do you think the power companies will buy back diesel power but not solar?

>>108047067
>>Installation in America
>Cost: $22,000
Well, yeah, the Sun entered the USA illegally and got taxed. He has to go back now

it's winter, it's snowing, it's night, it's below freezing. how will this help me heat my house

>>108047136
keeps jumping over the fence every damn day

>>108047183
Use magic batteries.

>>108047198
for like 30 kWh overnight? that's gonna be fun.. then what, i have to shovel the snow off the panels in the morning? what if it keeps dropping

>>108047198
Lost technology sir I'm afraid [spoiler]but the Chinese are working on a solution[/spoiler]

>>108047068
Solar cells degradation is related to moisture, it depends a lot of the construction. And all panels will keep producing electricity after 20 years, they're just less efficient.

>>108047183
>heat up water boiler during the day
>use its stored heat to warm house during the night

>>108045442
>What's the cheapest EV you can buy in the states?
It depends what range you need, but I bought an (at the time) 8-year-old EV for about $7k, which would come to about $58/month over 120 months.
>Gas doesn't cost that much.
EVs also don't have an engine or transmission to maintain.

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house owning landchads get free electricity, free EV charging too
apartment dwellers and rentoids get nothing as they deserve

I have solar panels and batteries installed and it's great but I live in an area where it just makes sense to get solar.
It's not a universal solution unfortunately and I wish we didn't have such a ridiculous renewables or nuclear mindset.
I do think solar is awesome though. I remember as a kid being amazed at solar calculators but apparently solar powered houses is politically incorrect?

>>108047337
Solar houses are gay and makes you dick fall off
Dead animal blood is the primal Nietzschean source of energy
A way to celebrate death's gift while channeling it into a fierce will to live

>>108047226
On that note you can test insulation with a megger and pick the right panels that will last 40 years, you can also fix the panels before the moisture gets in by plugging the leaks with caulk. Quite a handy tool too bad it isn't part of the QA tests of most cells.

>>108047031
>calculator powered by solar
By the analogy, this would be whale oil. You think people didn't use oil before drilling?

>>108047268
This is actually the real reason solar will not take off. Majority of the world lives in apartments. Civilization is lead by cities. Some hillbillies in the country or some suburbanites being able to charge their car for free isn't going to change the course of history.

>>108044445
Incredibly antisemitic post.

>>108047030
Immediately?
There is otherwise no power at the place

>>108047446
Anon, you don't need a million suburban roofs. Humans can just build power stations and hook them up to the grid.

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>>108047446
agreed, the concept of rent seeking is hamstringing human technological development super fucking hard

bros...imagine life without it...

>>108045442
Holy fuck dude you got ripped off. Literally 3x what you should have paid.

>>108047216
>for like 30 kWh overnight?
Decent ground source heat pump (doesn't need to be a rediculous bore hole, once you're below the frost line you can trench for surface area) can give in excess of 9:1 efficiencies, so that 30kWh can get reduced to ~3.5kWh... Which is more than doable, and it should be capable of ~50°C air output, which really shouldn't take long to heat your house even with terrible insulation.

>i have to shovel the snow off the panels in the morning?
Granted, I can't say I've seen this deployed, but d'ya know what happens if you throw energy *into* a solar panel? It gets hot...
Sure. It's probably not the 'best' method. Especially if you're currently power constrained. But dumping a kW into the panels *could* clear the snow from 'em.

>>108047426
It's not an analogy, fucktard.
I had a calculator, in the 80's.
As a child (thus proving this is common tech, not some rare expensive novelty).

>You think people didn't use oil before drilling?
What lead to that retarded comment?
This isn't a rhetorical question. There's some deficit here that goes far beyond simple lack of reading comprehension.

>>108045186
>No, solar is so cheap nowadays you can break even in 5 years.
Put that money into BTC and you'd make more profit

>>108047931
>It's not an analogy, fucktard.
learn to follow a reply chain idiot.

>>108047950
>>calculator powered by solar
>By the analogy, this would be whale oil.
Please.
Continue about how I'm the one unable to follow a reply chain.
Whilst you casually skirt away from the direct request for explaination of your reasoning.

>>108047947
I've thought about antminers as the dumpload...

>>108045457
fuck off randy go drop off your toxic dogshit somewhere else

For me it's gas, wood, gasoline and physical money only.
Fuck the electric jew.

>>108048167
how many shitposts per gallon does your pc get?

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>>108047136
fixd

>>108046830
I wish there was research into this phenomena 2bh, it's fascinating, like how much of it is organic, how much is orchestrated, who is behind it, etc.

>no mention of lithium/cobalt itt
wew

>>108048190
All of them.

guys guys guys guys guys

solar
freakin
ROADWAYS

>>108048289
This HAS to have been some cia false flag.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_Kristin

Solar and wind are a total joke.

There was a huge cyclone in Portugal days ago that left about a million people without electricity, some are still without to this day. That's 6 days without electricity while it has poured down unprecedented amounts of rain, meaning there was never any sun to power solar panels during that all time, and even if there were it would not have been enough for anything.

No regular consumer battery could last that much.

People with Teslas quickly ran out within 2-3 days. The ATMs stopped working, you could not pay with your credit card. All the food in fridges went bad. How do you power your appliances, especially something like a stove that requires lots of volts, in this situation? Gas people would be just fine.

So yes, gas and hard physical cash will always be king. Being tied to the electric jew will come to bite you in the ass sooner or later. Take this as warning and be prepared.

>>108048289
>>108048306
doable if you deploy them as a roof over the cars, like a tunnel

>>108048348
>electrifying the roads
Bro we don't even have the rail network electrified, what are you smoking?

>>108044445
>get solar panels with no money

then i'll get a system installed.

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>>108044445
In my experience as a private citizen, the economic aspects are so-and-so.
It is advantageous (you recoup the original investment within a reasonable timeframe) if you are able to get a grid-tied system, installed by a competent company you trust AND you get it partially subsidized by your government.
In practice, not everybody can obtain such favorable consitions.
If you want panels for the energy independence they provide, then forget about saving money and get a battery backed system instead.
I built the latter variant into my home, part diy part done by paid professionals.

>>108044445
They are regulated and taxed in my country, fuck off.

>>108044445
God I wish I had these. There's too many trees around my roof, can't get enough sun.

>>108045457
I would simply not live near a volcano

Private solar owners are fucking the European power grid right fucking now.
They don't buy electricity anymore during the day but need it during the night like everybody else. This results in power companies getting fucked over hard, because they can't size don't their power plants and are still responsible that everybody has access to energy in case their solar power breaks.
All the responsibility for half the profits.

Not even talking about the stability of the power grid when every dumb retard with chink panels and chink inverters is allowed to inject their excess power onto the general public grid.

We will all experience the consequences in a few years.

>>108048551
Why are you angry at OP because your nation is a joke?

>>108048556
Did you know trees can be cut down?

>>108048592
Literally illegal here

>>108048591
Every nation is a joke.

>>108044445
>literally free energy, wholly independent of gubmint, zero maintenance, lasts 20+ years
>leftoids: omg but muh envirunment impact we must live in mudhuts instead
>rightoids: omg but I love gubmint stomping on me, oil better
modernity is weird

>>108048319
All this shit is yet to be developed. For the best results you would need solar + wind(you say there was cyclone, so for these rany days you should be able to get wind energy[yeah I know cyclone can break turbines, but cyclone does not go full speed for 6 days]) + electrolysis from rainwater.

>>108048586
All this would be nothingburger if governments would subsidize batteries as well as solar panels. But those idiots give you money to instal solar panels and ignore batteries thus making problems for power grid.
This is what you get when countries are ran by people who are not STEM.

We need fusion and fission. Everything else is Mickey Mouse shit

>>108044445
solar is a great idea but i recently learned that many utilities are doing energy buybacks at a discount. imagine you have a grid-connected system to a utility that normally charges $0.12/kwh. when you sell back excess production they might only offer you $0.06/kwh (which is then taxed as earned income.) it really removes the incentive for being a "good citizen."

>>108048827
>companies HAVE to buy my excess energy at maximum prices

>>108048788
>the solution is stealing more taxpayer money!
Fuck you.

>>108048838
grid demand is highest in the daytime and solar production is obviously highest in the daytime. they shouldn't be jewing over people who help meet grid demand during the highest demand hours.

>>108044445
>How come nobody thought to do this before?
They did. Chinese firms are producing as many photovoltaics as they can as quickly as they can and they still don't match demand.
Americans are slaves to their oligarchs and their corporations and they're digging their heels in and refusing to reduce their short term fossil fuel profit from a bajillion to a gorillion to MAYBE invest in the future, just like with global warming.

>>108048740
It's not really "modernity", it's intense, optimized, inescapable corporate propaganda from birth until death.

>>108048863
You're not a power company.
You're a fucking larper with chink panels and chink inverters wanting to force companies to "buy" your excess power THEY DON'T EVEN WANT OR NEED

>>108048945
what explains this obnoxious and faggoty behavior: ignored during childhood or "not ignored" during childhood (molestation, bullying, etc.)?

>>108048945
>chink panels and chink inverters
Both of these are good though.

>>108048955
he's right tho.
they probably own the infra that's going to carry your excess back to them.
if you can find other buyers for your power feel free to lay down some power lines and supply it.

>>108048859
yes we should give money to niggers, oil companies and elon instead

>>108044445
its free money if you're home to take advantage of it during the day, or if you have an expensive af battery/inverter/etc.
if you have a low electricity bill, you will save insignificant amount of money and still have to pay for the connection, and it will take a very very long time to save enough to compensate for the expenses.
maybe if you're really clever you can figure something out some semi-diy solution without burning your house down.

>>108048961
never mind that chink inverters output a cleaner waveform than the grid. (i say this as someone who lives near a nuclear plant and who has viewed mains voltage with an oscilloscope.)

>>108048970
the alternative is investing in battery and disconnecting from the grid, which hurts ROI calculations on any utility generation projects that are still being paid off.

>>108048586
>All the responsibility for half the profits.
My heart weeps

>>108044626
>curries
SSAAAAAAARRRRR!!

>>108048990
Or just use the grid at night when energy is cheaper and panels during the day, you still need a battery as a buffer but a small one will suffice.

>>108048859
just wait till you learn about roads

>>108044445
Europoor here, with solar panels.
To your question: technology not there yet, especially battery.
All the retards in here just parroting "bUy bAttEriEs", here is some reality:
It is now winter time, Daytime in December is between 7.00 and 15:00, Jan and Feb not any better, guess what life doesn't stop at 15:00, also the past 3 weeks the panels produced 1kW TOTAL, because it is cloudy as hell. If I wanted to bridge 3 weeks, I would need about 150 kWh pack (7 kW/day), yeah totally feasible.
Now extrapolate that to a whole city of 400.00 people.
This is what the "just store it in batteries" retards don't understand. You not just have to bridge night, but WEEKS of no sunlight.

And yeah, saw (that) video also, it is one of the must retarded propaganda videos ever.
First dead give away: comments are "locked" (have to be member for at least a week).

90 minutes of "feelings", that can be decimated by sheer real-life facts and numbers!

Just watch the "batteries" segment. If you can't see that it is nothing more than 20 minutes "feelings" without facts, you are genuinely retarded.

>The materials are already mined and are in the batteries, they just need to be extracted, so it is easier and cheaper to maintain and recycle.
This retard needs "Chemistry for dummies", because there is no book titled "Chemistry for absolute low IQ mongoloids".
No fucking wonder that so far every lithium battery recycling works as a science project but not as grand scale operation, and 99% of lithium batteries still end up in landfills, poising everything.

All other ramblings about how the electric grid can be replaced by renewables are based on feelings, because there is ZERO amount of data used to back-up his claims.

>Let's put solar panels into deserts and we can electrify the whole planet.
If you don't see the major flaw in this plan, you are absolute retarded.
(Hint: the planet rotates, and you need to transport terawatts of electricity.)

The shills in this thread are unreal. Did a new solar panel company just go live recently?

>>108049571
Hello fellow european, I'm also an europoor from the state of stockholm and I agree we should get rid of solar and invest in american oil instead.

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>>108044445
SHUT UP, IDIOT. DO YOU WANT SOLAR PANEL PRICES TO SHOOT UP TOO?

>>108049571
How do I updoot this post?

We're gimping ourselves so fucking hard by not pursuing nuclear energy to its maximum potential. All these "renewable" sources are total piss and should never have become this widespread outside of edge cases (satellites, extraterrestrial, extreme conditions et al).
Producing panels, wind turbines, is hugely polluting and requires rare earths which are in short supply. If a storm trashes your solar farm the soil is poisoned forever with trillions of small particles. Wind blades can't be recycled and are just stored 6 feet under to stay there forever.

This shit is nuts, everyone is fucking nuts and the sheep go along with this retarded shit.

We could be living in abundance right now if we weren't led by total sellout, incompetent traitors.

I'm tired Anon.

>>108046830
Malboro man type shit
Reminder cigarettes were originally for women.
That’s why they end in -ette and the British call them fags.

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>today I will look up some real data on power plant operating costs
>https://www.eia.gov/electricity/annual/html/epa_08_04.html
fucking burgers

>>108047068
Its not the panels thats the problem, its the inverter. It wont last 10 years.

>>108049571
>you can only charge when the sun is out
>need weeks worth of battery packs
lol
lmao
Definitely someone who uses solar, for sure

I understand the propaganda is to facilitate the american century of humiliation, but you could at least try a little

I have them for 3 years, they cover 6 out of 8 MWh consumption per year which is pretty good and they'll pay for themselves in the next 2-3 years. People that installed them thinking they'll sell their excessive energy for big profit got burned pretty hard tho, few years back you could get paid like 15 cents a kWh, nowadays it's around 2-3.

nuclear is way better

>>108049655
>We're gimping ourselves so fucking hard by not pursuing nuclear energy to its maximum potential. All these "renewable" sources are total piss
Meanwhile, coal and natural gas power plants continue to make up a huge portion of electricity generation. If there was no solar, they'd make you use coal not nuclear.

reminder that last time burgers tried to build a nuclear plant it was 7 years late and had a 2x budget overrun

>>108049709
Ok, when do you recharge the batteries?
We are talking about a house with solar panels.

>>108049623
No, retard, we should invest in nuclear, but you are too retarded to understand that there are other options besides oil and wind/solar

>>108049664
In the UK it was traditional for the working class to smoke from pipes whole the upper classes smoked cigars

>>108049784
lmaoooo you should know this one mister has a home solar setup
You'd charge it every single day, cloudy/snowy or not. Even on the absolute worst possible days you're getting ~20% of the full charge rate during the daytime. You know how it gets brighter during the day even when it's cloudy? Solar panels use that too!

God I love these retard larpers

>>108044445
>Holy shit, really? How come nobody thought to do this before?
They kinda did. Using the sun's energy has been a thing forever. Using it to generate electricity, the kind of power we use most nowadays, is a relatively recent development.

>>108049898
>50 years
>relatively recent

>>108049889
Oh cool, another shill. Keep on lying, you'll get people to give up their cars someday!

>>108048580
You know Yellowstone will shut down pretty much the entire US when it errupts

>>108047085
The same thing apply to all electricity you produce. You do realize when your solar cells produce well the grid probably has top much electricity and the grid operators have to pay for constant upgrades as more solar is added and the grid operators can't just decide to not pay the operators at the dams and power plants on sunny days, they still have to be there and the turbines have to run in case of clouds.
That they pay you anything at all is an insult and it should actually be illegal for hole owners to put electricity on the grid due to the negative benefit it has for the entire grid.

People are stupid and lazy. Installing solar panels on your roof is way too hard for normalfags.

>>108048774
Do you realize the economics and EROI of your solution is utterly unfeasible except maybe for small areas subsidized by outside forces?

>>108048863
If you think home owners with PV panels "help meet grid demands" they you are delusional and should really try to learn how the grid works

>>108050062
>fulfilling demand doesn't help meet demand
tard alert

>>108049938
nobody is telling people to give up cars

>>108049655
>If a storm trashes your solar farm the soil is poisoned forever with trillions of small particle
It's cadmium and tellurium now, both are very bad but if perskovite solar panels (those are the efficient ones always in the news) ever take off then the lead runoff from solar panels will make the leaded gasoline era seem like a joke.

>>108050098
ok cool
but humor me for a sec
do you know of any studies on that?

>>108050074
Just buy more solar panels, I'm sure it'll lower the cost of electricity in your state.

>>108050027
I work in tech in an energy company, shut the fuck up jeet you have 0 clue how things work

>>108050123
Studies about if perskovite solar cells contain lead? It's literally a core part of the design.
CH3NH3PbX3 is the structure. The x is a halogen.
Do you need a source for the lead leaching? Because that's inherent in the design and pretty much commonly known.

>>108050146
Enlighten me.
Explain why electricity prices in California, Germany and many other nations that build a lot of renewables have quickly rising energy prices.
In Sweden yearly net energy production has increased in the last few decades and energy usage has been steadily declining since the early 90s but as more wind is installed average prices just keep on rising, as do negative price hours.

>BRO, what if [prototype technology that hasn't been adopted] does [problem that hasn't yet been solved]????
>We need to stop using [commonly used mainstream version without that problem]
stupid people should be killed

>>108050211
>why do prices keep going up? Checkmate liberal
Maybe because they know you're a fucking retard. why would prices keep increasing as the boards and heads of these companies/regulatory bodies keep getting more money? It's really a mystery.
>>108050276
Solar panels are older than you are, you aren't smart for falling for oil propaganda.

>>108050299
I'm not talking about oil. Try reading my post again dumbass.

>>108050130
That's funny. I don't see anything about electricity prices here:
>If you think home owners with PV panels "help meet grid demands" they you are delusional and should really try to learn how the grid works
Can you find it?

>>108050299
>why would prices keep increasing as the boards and heads of these companies/regulatory bodies keep getting more money? It's really a mystery.
The companies are not making more mokey, the companies are going bust, especially the wind farms.
Very little money is being earned in Sweden from producing electricity, the big producers have started to raise fixed rates that they say are for building up the grid to enable increases power transfers, it's the only way to make money now that power plants have to indirectly subsidize the wind farms when it's blowing since the people at the power plants need to be there without producing and all the wind farms lose money due to overproduction as soon as there is favorable conditions so prices become negative.

absolutely no one is making money and the industry can't expand because the average cost of electricity is increasing, and I'm not taking about that bullshit fixed price fee.

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>>108044626
>he doesn't own an abandoned Soviet era rtg

>sun doesn't come out

What now?

>>108044676
>thing is worth ten times it's annual earnings
>zero debt involved
>this is a bad thing
Playboy the price/earnings of Tesla is 391

>>108049986
here's hoping, eh?

>>108051023
Live closer to equator.

As others said, they take a decade or more to pay off and the damage done to your roof is always the offset. I lived in the US south west 330 days sunny, they barely paid off when the energy incentives were there. Problem is the roof gets cooked under it causing horrible issues for rain and ventilation.

Also good luck trying to sell a home and pass the buck of debt on with those things. They make sense in europe where idiots are paying 5-20x the cost of KwH compared to the USA.

>>108050176
anything that would indicate that leaching is likely to occur from these panels, because everything I have read indicates it is not

>>108046232
If it has to be cheap, no. If you were some techbro making some off grid shack to play pretend woodsman in, sure.

Good insulation (door pressure tested) and heat recovery ventilation can drop heat requirement by an order of magnitude. Ground source heatpump can work at COP 5. Then a battery and plenty of vertical solar panels will hold you over for an overcast week or two.

Even if you aren't rich it's doable, if your labour is free. Labour >> equipment cost.

>>108051174
>damage done to your roof
Shingles on plywood is not exactly build for the ages to begin with.

>>108051337
Weatherization is underrated. You shouldn’t even touch mechanical till the building is properly insulated

>>108051174
Cannot stand when people take their shitty contract experience and reflect it back on solar as a technology
Roof mount is the cheapest and laziest way to install home solar

>>108051420
No but in order to replace those you then need to pay for someone to dismantle the panels for a bit. It also causes uneven wear.
>>108051425
Even with a mount you then have issues with critters getting in there or junk festering

>>108051421
It's fucking expensive to retrofit good insulation. Unless you DIY and turn your home into a building site for a year of weekend work.

>>108048319
>and even if there were it would not have been enough for anything.
You harvest with clouds. Sure, it's less, but you harvest.
Ideally, you'd anticipate this and overspec production and then use a dumpload - commonly industrial resistors - to simply burn off excess energy.

Also as another anon suggested, wind+wolar is superior, the turbines I got self-rate to 50 meter/second winds, which comes out about 110MPH. Not tested that mind.

>No regular consumer battery could last that much.
No regular consumer battery handles houseload. Typically them leisure batteries, and banks thereof. Again, ideal to overspec as the less you cycle them the longer they last.

>Gas people would be just fine
Gas uses electricity to power pumps to provide pressure, retard. You will have a problem. It'll just take longer whilst the weasle jenny runs out...

>Take this as warning and be prepared.
If you're relying on a third party anywhere in the chain, you aint prepared chump.

>>108044626
RTGs output a pathetically small amount of energy vs mass, the fuck are you talking about

>just spend 50k on batteries, panels and turbines
>why?
>just because!
How about no? Those 50k would be enough to pay my energy bill for... 40 years.

>>108051622
yeah if you just make up numbers it does sound bad

>>108051724
That's exactly how much a 20+kW array and enough storage to be almost totally off grid is going to cost.
Hence why there is massive adoption of the free money solution. But no, keep pretending it's a massive convoluted conspiracy.

>>108051747
Off the grid ism is a crippling mental disease, you don't need to be OTG to use solar energy

>>108051792
That's even stupider.

>>108051792
Also I said almost off grid, ie vast majority of power being solar. l2read commie parrot.

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>>108044445
Solar panels are not "free money". You will lose money when you purchase them and it takes decades before they become profitable in countries that rarely see the sun. Even in South Portugal they can't replace your gas heating in winter but they help with powering AC in summer.

Every house in southern California should have solar panels.

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>>108044445
This thread makes me sad that somehow even solar power is some sort of only side A vs side B issue.

>>108051918
If solar panels are bad for the grid and reduces total EROI of all energy production then they are very harmful for civilization as a whole, and thats even whilst ignoring the opportunity cost of them.

If solar panels are the only decent option for energy production then opposing them is denying us a potential future of cheap energy.

Energy is extremely important and is necessary for pretty much everything. If the cost and availability goes down enough then things people aren't even thinking of suddenly not only becomes possible but also realistic. On the flip side if we reduce the EROI of our energy production many technologies will no longer be feasible to use and the quality of life will go down for almost everyone.
It's very reasonable to be passionate about this issue.

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>>108051974
2/2

>>108051974
Ironically they also produce more radioactivity than nuclear and the radioactivity is more dangerous because you'll breathe it in, it'll not stay localized as with nuclear.
Just the carbon-14 in the CO2 produced in the coal plants and from the oil used in the production of the solar panels produce more radioactivity per watt of produced energy for solar than nuclear.
Even more ironically nuclear is one of the least radioactive forms of energy production, it's just concentrated in a very, very small area.

>>108051991
All that beautiful cadmium and rare earth run off from those solar panels.
Maybe it can be used as farm land for Trader Joe, they can say the squash is "mineral enhanced"

Can someone explain why they thought we would run out of oil in the 70s but that didn't happen?

>>108052039
Google "1970s energy crisis"

>>108052039
The charts people refer to when they say we only have x amount of years left of resource y they usually ignore that we might find new deposits and they only refer to proven reserves.

In the case oil it was even more wrong because oil wells generally don't run completely dry, they just turn into a trickle, sometimes they are worth extracting from again after resting a few years.

There were also new technological innovations which allowed previously non accessible deposits to be extracted. Fracking wasn't even seen as an option back then.

We are running out of oil, but inot nearly as quickly as the doomsayers claim.

>>108051974
>"A study found....
A study found that people who don't specify the actual study are full of shit.

>>108051834
>+20 kW array
>almost OTG
Ok retard.

>>108051459
You shouldn’t need to rip the house up unless you live in a shit box that some regard contractor built. Insulation in the walls is normally fine. Weather stripping, doors/windows, and the attic (especially if your HVAC is up there) is what you what you want. It’s not hard to find the leaks and insulate prescriptively.

>>108052293
Don't forget, US made of cardboard

>>108044639
>First Photovoltaics became a thing in 2000s. Technology is still maturing, give it some time.

>1839 (Discovery): French physicist Edmond Becquerel discovered the photovoltaic effect while experimenting with electrolyte solutions.
>1873-1876 (Selenium): Willoughby Smith discovered photoconductivity in selenium. Later, William Grylls Adams and Richard Day found that this material produced electricity when exposed to light.
>1883 (First Cell): American inventor Charles Fritts created the first true solar cell by coating selenium with a thin layer of gold, boasting less than 1% efficiency.
>1905 (Theory): Albert Einstein published his paper explaining the photoelectric effect, providing the theoretical basis for solar energy.
>1954 (Modern Silicon Cell): Bell Labs researchers (Daryl Chapin, Calvin Fuller, and Gerald Pearson) developed the first silicon-based photovoltaic cell, reaching about 4% efficiency.
>1956 (Commercialization): The first solar cells became commercially available but were extremely expensive.
>1960s (Space Application): Solar cells were adopted as the standard power source for satellites (e.g., Vanguard I).
>1970s-1980s (Cost Reduction): During the oil crisis, Elliot Berman (with industry backing) developed cheaper manufacturing processes, lowering costs. The first utility-scale, 1 MW+ power plants were built in California in the early 1980s.
>2000s-Present (Mass Production): Global adoption accelerated, with China, Germany, and the US leading in manufacturing and installation, moving towards perovskite and higher-efficiency materials

>>108046206
>oil
Only your car runs on oil. Sounds like you're been mislead by natural gas/coal/hydro propaganda to make you believe that oil is the source of all your problems.

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>>108046320
Southwestern United States. I feel like you guys haven't looked into this.

>>108047865
I didn't pay it but that's what various solar installers charge when you get quotes on full home solar installation. Yes, I agree, solar is a rip off unless you wan't to do everything yourself but even then it is expensive, just less so. No I will not waste my time doing that, nor will the average person. If at some point electricity prices get wildly out of control, to the point that solar is suddenly a viable financial solution, I will get into it.

>>108047241
> I bought an (at the time) 8-year-old EV for about $7k
From what I have heard EVs, specifically their batteries, don't have great longevity as it is. The cheap ones are generally crap especially when it comes to range. It seems like the only good ones are Tesla and that is some serious cash to drop on a vehicle that has like 250 miles of range.

> EVs also don't have an engine or transmission to maintain.
They really don't cost anything to maintain. The person that isn't worried about EV range isn't driving that much anyway.

People seem to have forgotten that the first world has been producing and driving cars at scale for like 100 years now. Would I like an EV with the same range and amenities as ICE vehicles? Absolutely, but as it stands they are expensive for what you get and the selection is limited. Even if it wasn't I would still be buying into a new vehicle which, again, adds to the upfront cost that I would need to recover.

>>108051974
>aluminum
>glass
>silicon
>lead-free solder
RIDDLE ME THIS BATMAN, WHERE IS THE TOXIC MATERAL?

>>108044445
Solar panels are cheap. Hiring someone to put them on your roof and put in electronics that won't burn your house down is expensive.

At least my shithole of a country is relaxing the legislation on plugin solar/battery so you can now put up a few panels by yourself and hook them up into some relatively cheap electronics without the need for electricians.

>>108045457
*disables your dogshit events*

>>108052791
Neither are cheap. Not the panels, not the labor, not the permits, not the batteries and their associated electronics, none of it is cheap.
We aren't talking about 100w 12/24v panels from harbor freight. Free energy tards are worse than free software tards.

>everyone goes gas
>run out of gas
>everyone goes petrol
>run out of petrol
>everyone goes hydroelectric
>rivers dry out
>everyone goes nuclear
>run out of uranium
>manage to get fusion functional
>can't produce enough tritium
The sun will outlast all life on earth. In the long run there is no way out other than maximizing solar efficiency, mastering energy storage and maximizing the efficiency of all electronics.

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>>108045442
>our 300+ days per year of sun
if only you knew how good you motherfuckers have it

>>108044445
Its a good deal if you are capable of installing it yourself, but if you pay someone else to do it you will be paying at least a 10x premium on the actual cost of the hardware and install fees.

>>108049571
Just get 24H of battery at most, probably 12H is sufficient. Buy power for the three weeks out of the year that you don't have sunlight.

>>108044445
solar panels are free money if you think that solar panels and batteries are free and last forever with zero maintenance because you're a goddamn idiot

>>108052830
16 kw of solars panels are like $5k.
https://signaturesolar.com/shop-all/solar-panels/pallets/
>NOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO BUY IT FROM A PRE-APPROVED VENDOR™
okay then have fun getting raped up the ass

>>108053372
You say that but it's a grass is always greener scenario. The heat wears on you. You don't notice it at first but year after year you grow more tired of it. It starts to affect your emotions. You begin to get angry every time you have to go outside towards the end of each summer. People complain about humidity but have no idea what 110+ every day for 3 months feels like. It just saps the energy out of you.

>>108044445
The biggest concern beyond just cost of installation, and complications for an inevitable roof replacement, is insurance coverage, as it represents a source of potential leaks in the roof, something that can interfere with replacing/repairing a roof, or lead to a spendy insurance claim if there's some a nasty storm. Insurance companies are often assholes who have no problem fucking you over for stuff like that, or just denying you coverage entirely for having panels.

>>108047117
Historically that's been the case because renewables have lower margins, but at this point even they're starting to invest in solar

Because solar panels didnt get good until after only a few years ago. There must be some that generate 1 kw by now and theyll keep getting better.

>>108053651
Retarded or can't do basic math? That's $15,000 or more with freight for 20kW (the bare minimum for a US house) of panels only. No electronics, no wiring, no permits, no installation, certainly no batteries or controller. Which all puts up nearing 50k

To save.. $100 a month.

Don't respond until you find 2 stars with 5 spikes, you've moved out of mom's, and actually paid for something substantial in your life.

>>108053873
Just be selective of what you hook up to it. A medium ac unit might use 1kw so you hook it up to the solar panels and get free ac during the day.

without subsidies (taxes (theft)) solar panels are negative ROI in both cash and energy

the average panel nigger is boasting "this is how much i steal from decent people over the panel's lifetime"

>>108053904
>free
enron tier accounting lmao

>>108053956
Says the guy experiencing a cold wave across the us from man made climate change.

>>108053964
What makes you think the sun is a decent person? If anything it's kind of an asshole, what with how often it causes skin cancer and sunburns. We should steal as much energy from it as possible

>>108053992
1980 called, they want their 'global cooling' lie back

>>108054026
Its global warming but since the polar caps get melted that messes with the currents temperatures etc…

>>108053848
1kw/m2 is peak irradiance, so good luck with that

>>108047234
the smart kids use sand batteries

>>108054036
>but since the polar caps get melted
not actually happening. you should stop listening to people who have been consistently wrong for 70 years.

>>108052016
mind you the linear no threshold model is nonsense

>>108044445
25% of China's total energy is from sun and wind. That's 300 million people living off free energy.

>>108052762
>but even then it is expensive
no, not really
panels, wires, and batteries are cheap - labor in the US isn't (or, more accurately, it isn't cheap paying the managerial/owner middlemen baking their profit into what they charge you for labor while doing nothing productive themselves). you only pay a fraction of the sticker price you're so shocked by if you aren't a lazy dumbass.

at current (increasing, BTW) electricity prices, it could pay for itself in a couple of years or less.

>>108054083
go inside one of those chink power plants and youll find its just uyghurs on bicycles

>>108052039
malthusians have existed for centuries, it's never anything but an excuse to deprive their neighbor of what is his

>>108054142
for a simple example, try to find a die-hard green that agrees that while solar panels are great, but they shouldn't be subsidized with tax money

>>108054083
>This dude literally believes CCP numbers
Lmao

>>108053651
>16 kw of solars panels are like $5k.
Here 16 kW of panels are 1600 Euro. A 6 kW inverter is 200 Euro.

The prices are completely retarded.

>>108054099
profit is one of the smallest posts on a business balance sheet. the largest ones are labor and taxes.

>>108054164
china has been investing a lot into panels and EVs not because they believe in the climate nonsense, but because they're concerned about the US trying to instigate an oil blockade against them

the big lie is
>free

this has been a very expensive venture for china

>>108054187
Free energy (source) =/= free generators.
Come on man, use your brain for once.

>>108054164
CCP massively overbuild solar production. They are filling deserts with solar because US/EU demand reduced.

It's not economically cheaper than fueling coal powerplants, but it's politically cheaper.

>>108053873
>Retarded or can't do basic math? That's $15,000 or more with freight for 20kW (the bare minimum for a US house) of panels only.

no, you dumb retarded nigger. they charge $250 flat rate for freight. it's nowhere near $15k for panels only. also 20 kw in panels would be a $0 electric bill for a 2 kwh average monthly draw. the average US house only draws 1 kwh average monthly draw (which costs $150 a month on average and rapidly increasing.)

>>108051974
>>108051991
Probably the same people who have to repair the gas, turbine, coal, and transmission equipment.
Also just use Nuclear. Damn

>yes goi, just be dependent on our oil

>>108045442
>Gas doesn't cost that much
I agree with you in regards to solar not saving money here in the southwest but not in regards to EVs. If you have a paid off car that is relatively new and a hybrid, sure it might not make sense to get a new EV. But here is my personal experience with EVs.

>be 30 something year old who always drove hand me down beaters, never once bought or leased a car in my life
>have to commute 45+ minutes to and from work M-F regardless what job I was at
>the cost of upkeeping a beater was really expensive, at least 2k a year
>the cost of gas was at least $900 a month
>getting a brand new EV, my monthly car payments are far lower than what I paid for gas (I pay $750 for a tesla)
>no oil changes, no complicated engine with belts that have to be replaced, pratically no maintenance at all
>once I have my car paid off that $750 is back in my pocket where as even if I got a more fuel efficient car I would always be paying for gas
>my electric bill for my whole house is only $200 a month
>rare instances where I have to do a long road trip a supercharger to take my battery from empty to full is like $12

>>108054171
>yes middle managers definitely earn every cent they get paid
margin isn't the only excess to exploit

>>108046928
my dad did the same at his place but grossly overestimated how much he'd need and ended up with a yearly average of 12400w lmao
he ended up connecting to the grid (at his expense) because he could just make a decent passive income selling the surplus. ended up breaking even in 2 years

>>108052039
It was a perfect storm of arabs cutting westoids off of oil as retaliation for us airdropping the largest amount of airdropped military supplies in history to Israel.
As well as people at the WEF (including that klaus shwab) going nuts because they ran some fancy computer models that “proved” we were all going to die of resource depletion and overpopulation in two more weeks.

>>108044445
what the fuck is wrong with the american solar PV market? I looked for cheap PV panels on ebay and it's really fucking difficult to find the cheap panels, and even then, they cost more than what they cost in my 3rd world country. also, inverters are MUCH more expensive.
e.g., these panels would cost about $100 each: https://www.ebay.com/itm/168100497522
an inverter like this would cost $1k NEW https://www.ebay.com/itm/168115987462

>>108044676
>They take a decade to even break even
false. I'll prove here that YOU CAN RECOVER YOUR INVESTMENT IN 3 YEARS.

>panels
see above. $4k for 12kW ($0.30/W)

>inverters
consider a price of ~$3.5k total for a couple of 6kW ones: https://www.ebay.com/itm/286121661953

>other stuff
let's say $2.5k for transport, cabling, permits, hiring an electrician for the final connections.

so you'd pay $10k for 12kW.

assuming 4 hours of sun a day on average, the above system would generate about 17,500kWh in a year. at $0.20/kWh (about the avg for US residential customers, according to google), the energy generated by your solar panels would cost you $3,500/year, so you'd get your money back in about 3 years.

QED.


>>108044900
>he didn't read the contract, didn't do some research or even some basic math
you got scammed and you are blaming the tech.
you should leave this board forever, you absolute retard.

I live up north where we get very little sunlight in the winter, my house is on the side of a hill and surrounded by trees, solar panels would do nothing for me, especially during the periods I use the most power (the winter)

>>108048827
you don't need to connect your panels to the grid, retard

>>108049571
if the panels produce 20% on a cloudy day of what they produce during a sunny day, then just buy more panels, retard. they are cheap af.

> 3 weeks
LMAO wtf do you need 3 weeks of batteries for? do you not get enough sun? if so, why did you even buy solar panels in the first place?

>>108054711
>arabs cutting westoids off of oil
Complete opposite. They are dumping oil since OPEC has failed. To many internal issues to keep it going. More importantly Saudi's wanted to dump oil to kill Russian/Iranian oil profits and knocking out the American Shale industry was just a bonus.

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>>108044639
the solar panel predates the first oil drill by two decades kemosabe

>>108044900
i am on your side, but you are trying to sell power to the grid at a time when everyone else is trying to sell power to the grid
surely you do not expect peak price for the type of power in the lowest demand scenario?

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>>108047216
i dont use any solar or batteries, but if i was in a cold environment like that, make sure your batteries have yttrium in the chemistry, it can go down to -50F

>>108047369
>the moon titan has 300 earths worth of usable hydrocarbons
dude i wish i could go back in time to see all the dinos in space around saturn

>>108055146
Did they figure out what are they going to do after they run out of oil yet?

>>108055453
Considering most governments obfuscate actual reserves, proven reserves and unproven reserves that we keep finding it might as well be 100 years from now.

>>108054239
Bullshit, literal rotted nigger brain bullshit
Shills need to fucking hanged

>>108055303
No shit sherlock. Oil also predates the first oil drill. But oil drilling is when the oil took over coal at an industrial scale.

>>108048863
a cold snap in the middle of the night can be the highest power demand that month for a region
florida, a state with heavy air conditioner use, records their annual peaks in january, at night

>>108049645
good. i did some calculation and since the ocean already gives off radiation, you can dump nuclear waste in the marianas trench
in fact if you dumped every single gram of fissile material in the marianas trench and then went to the surface the ocean would give off just as much radiation as it was before
switch to nuclear power, dump the waste in ocean trench

>>108047216
If you've got a big property, put up vertical panels as a fence. On their side, two panels high. If the snow piles up, you just lose power from the bottom panels.

>>108044445
Three reasons
1 - we can’t build enough of those fast enough, and to also gather the materials
2 - throughout the 2000s and 2010s the cost of installation vs the time they lasted made it the most expensive source of energy, now it is the cheapest but it is relatively recent development.
3 - you need another energy source when there is low sunlight like during night, cloudy days or winter, and we are not that close with battery tech to store that amount from during peak hours.

https://ourworldindata.org/cdn-cgi/imagedelivery/qLq-8BTgXU8yG0N6HnOy8g/3e0a31ec-3236-4467-e913-4221bcf8ba00/w=1700
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>>108044445
I live in a shithole city that doesn't allow panels facing the street because it 'hurts the character of the neighborhood'. I have frontage on two sides of the house. Everything is street facing. I am constantly mad.

>>108049571
this nigga lives above the arctic circle

>>108055616
Don't even need to dump it. It's currently stored above ground in 3 inch thick concrete cylinders. The fuel can be reprocessed dam near forever before we even need to pull more out of the ground but its cheaper to just mine it and process it than it is to reprocess it. I am referring to depleted uranium. The water is diluted and dumped into the ocean so its not a real concern.

If solar energy was efficient animals would be using photosynthesis to power themselves. Instead they use the equivalent of a combustion reaction powered by consumed plants (aka, fossil fuels). You can't argue against nature.

>>108055784
the dominant species on the earth uses it

>>108055794
I don't see Orca whales using solar anon.

>>108055800
i said "dominant", not "dying" dyslexianon

>>108055794
Only with tax (stolen) money. Criminals doing something does not make it good.

>>108055803
You will kneel to the Orca chads and you will like it.

>>108055784
You have a fundementally wrong understanding of evolution. If it was driven by efficency, we'd all be hydrogen gasses.

>>108055894
Evolution follows physics. There's a reason why large animals use aerobic instead of anaerobic respiration. It's more efficient.

>>108045485
> ICE car
kek, can't watch that guy ever again

>>108049655
Well, nuclear got replaced with natural gas in lot of places which is even worse, and Solar energy is good when you don’t live in arctic environment. The hotter the climate the better the solar energy is because local climate correlates with sunlight energy per area of land.

>>108055616
Radiation outside of Chernobyl style meltdown is probably the biggest meme about Nuclear. You get 100x more background radiation in the environment from coal power plant then nuclear one, just from the heavy elements hidden inside of coal.

>>108055919
>Big animal goes wheee
Literal baby tier thinking. Go on then, I'm curious to see what mental gymnastics you'll perform to explain why plants make the largest biomass on the planet.

what if we made a big power line across the equator and hooked all the solar panels into that so we can all have energy 24/7

>BUYING OIL FROM ARABS IS... BAD!!!!!
Are you really falling for this jew propaganda? Arabs are some of our closest allies, and you want to abandon them? Zionism and solar are closely linked.

>>108056037
Cool idea but transmission loss is a major reason why we have distributed power stations. If you had above room temp superconductors then you could have a power plant in mexico city supplying energy to fairbanks alaska with minimal power loss. You simply cannot do that now.

>>108049645
lmao get back in the fucking robot shinji

>>108056046
I'm an arab and even I hate buying oil from arabs. Don't need any propaganda to tell me that.

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>>108055784
>>108055894
>>108055919
Actually, many scientists theorize life and evolution only exist as a way for energy to dissipate faster along a gradient, i.e. a planet with life increases entropy faster than a dead planet, which is essentially just a very large insulator for solar energy

>>108044445
I just want Nuclear Energy god damn.

>>108044626
>in the ideal world we'd be retarded

>>108056183
Using solar to light up the night sky on the other side of the planet is the peak dissipation of incoming energy. Otherwise that energy just lands on the ground and earth continues acting as an insulator essentially.

>>108056183
The purpose of earth is to serve humanity. Anti-humanist philosophies like environmentalism inevitably turn into death cults. People who care more about rocks and trees than humans are evil.

>>108047268
actually pretty based post. We should charge rentcucks more for power too

>>108044639
>First Photovoltaics became a thing in 2000s
really? i thought satellites were already using them

>>108055146
Anon is about the 1970s oil embargo.

>>108044445
Fuck solar. I want nuclear power.

>>108056366
>yeah so let's turn Earth into Venus and all live in the pods just so Ngubu can have his 17th 60IQ niglet who might somehow become the next Einstein instead of yet another foreign aid dependent starving dirt farmer or islamic militant.
humanism YES.

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>>108056577
Fuck nuclear. I want fusion power.

>>108051974
what does he mean by the average lifespan? Does he mean that after 30 years the panels don't produce the same capacity as they once did (say a 30% reduction) or do they produce nothing at all? The fact that he doesn't specify is pretty suspect.

>>108056605
Using gas cars will not turn the earth into Venus. That belief belongs to doomsday cults.

>>108055677
You can get transparent film to make panels look like whatever. If you use all black panels and black glass to fill in the gaps it will just look like regular composite panel siding.

>>108056562
I know but that existed back when the middle east made up 3/4th of the world's oil production. Shits different now and we still keep finding oil deposits as it is. Only reason for a country not to drill is either cost, environmental, or as a form of a savings account for later.

>>108056830
so you're a trump supporter.

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>>108057068
>No ICE age during the 80's as scientists predicts
>No melted snow caps of greenland in 2020's
>The world is still running just fine and we have more trees than ever since CO2 is plant food.
THE WORLD IS ENDING
You don't build bunkers in New Zealand, Denver Colorado, and Argentina over global warming anon. A pole shift, meteorite or some other cosmological event causes the rich to build bunkers not muh global warming.

>>108044445
I mean, they did and solar panels are being installed all the time.

>>108057068
I will support any politician if they want to save the environment by nuking South America, Africa, Middle East, India and China.

>>108044445
>your free emoney could randomly get destroyed by bad weather and still needs to be wired to the system
>battery technology isn't there but it will be in two weeks goy
>we aren't wholly dependent on it because of lobbies, that's why they give helicopter gibs to install panels
>actually solve the problem with CANDUs? What are you, a heckin Nazi?

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Why do green tech advocates hate nuclear? Is it really just because of the Simpsons?

>>108051168
>nuclear winter
where is your 350 days of sunshine now?

>>108057167
Because it gives children cancer
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2696975/

>>108057186
>Based on the available information about radiation emissions from German nuclear power plants, a direct relation to radiation seems implausible. Many factors may conceivably cause leukemia, possibly operating in combination, and these factors may be present to a greater extent in the vicinity of German nuclear power plants.

>>108057167
>green tech advocates hate nuclear
They don't. This is an agenda pushed by the big oil glowies to split communities.

>>108057302
Yes, direct radiation is very unlikely to do anything.
The danger comes from radioactive materials leaking into the environment (which happens all the damn time, nuclear plants everywhere right now are leaking tritium) staying in your body, and irradiating you from the inside for years.

>>108044445
I have solar, it saves me a lot of money.

>>108048289
They exist but they are mostly useless and not durable enough to deal with the beating bev appliances will put them through.

>>108044445
I used to work for a solar company. There are quite a few catches to installing solar. First would be if your local government from city, state, to country offers any rebate or funding to make the cost easier to handle. If not, the average installation is around 30k. This was about five years ago so while prices of panels probably came down, inflation likely destroyed that. Second is if the roof can handle solar or is aligned in a way that solar is even viable. Third, if their shitty HOA even allows solar, most do but some want nothing to do with it. Forth would be does the local power company allow back feeding the grid. Most in our area did but there was one who did not. So even with everything going your way, you still probably won't see a return on your investment for twenty years. If you don't get any of these benefits it could be fifty years before the panels paid for themselves and are in need of being replaced. This doesn't include any service to the system or acts of god damaging them. Hail kills panels easily.

>>108057167
Yeah, the fact that they so blatantly lied and smeared nuclear power makes me hate the show.

>>108057443
I can buy 250 kWp of panels for 25k Euro ...

>>108056656
Fuck fusion, I want COLD FUSION

>>108048586
>Private solar owners are fucking the European power grid right fucking now.
>They don't buy electricity anymore during the day but need it during the night like everybody else. This results in power companies getting fucked over hard, because they can't size don't their power plants and are still responsible that everybody has access to energy in case their solar power breaks.
>All the responsibility for half the profits.
>Not even talking about the stability of the power grid when every dumb retard with chink panels and chink inverters is allowed to inject their excess power onto the general public grid.
>We will all experience the consequences in a few years.
This