>>108052599
I don't code at all so do I get 100% of your respect?

>>108052615
You get 1 respect, same as the other people who don't code with AI.

Not OP btw.

>>108052599
Aren't compilers AI? They optimize your code and translate it into machine code.

I'm so fucking glad I never got into CS

>>108052599
>>108052800
I write code myself but I use AI for documentation, how much respect do I get?

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I don't code for work, just as a hobby. I can understand wagies using AI for work.
But coding as a hobby is extremely satisfying, I first started with rpg maker without touching a line of code, then moved on to gamemaker, doing some scripts here and there, then learned python with pygame, I could transfer some of the knowledge from gm, it's cool to build by myself all the structure gm was doing for me before, and each new project you carry a bit from the last one, your code and your style of doing things becomes more sophisticated. Now I'm using C with raylib, most of my knowledge from python carried over, but now I'm making some functions python did for me, and it's been very fun understanding how everything works. I can't imagine ruining the fun by asking an AI to spit out code for you, feels the same as playing a puzzle game and looking up the answer. Sure, you can skip straight to the most complicated stuff, but you're not improving, you're just watching something do the work for you, you don't feel the magic of knowing how everything works, it's just a black box that does the thing you asked.
Eventually I want to make a nes or gameboy ROM with assembly.

>>108052825
Documentation isn't code. Just skim over it to make sure it's not fully hallucinating and you're cool in my book.

t. NTA btw

i love the codemonkey cope so much
they are getting completely replaced, and unlike artists, no one's even going to have sympathy for them
should've learned to handweave mongolian baskets

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>AI bad!

>>108052815
It's fucking terrible, pajeets and low effort money chasers everywhere

People like this >>108052939 with a genuine interest are painfully rare.

seeing codejeets turn into luddites is hilarious

>>108052599
based

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>>108052939
>Literally my Nigga.

Coding for hobby is the only thing that make it worth it and the only path to achieve true enlightening.

You must NEVER code to give Mr. Shekelstein a new yacht

>>108053044
It's still degrading your skill and making you stupider

>>108052939
Based.

>>108053053
>luddites
no it's not, they'll be driving trucks and touching people's food in greater number

>>108052814
1. It's not AI, it's LLMs.
2. Compilers are deterministic in their output, LLMs are not.
3. Compilers suck fucking ass.
>no ability to break or extend ABIs
>inlining is all or nothing; no ability to only inline prologue or epilogue (for loop-invariant code motion)
>and SIMDs, which were really pushed after Dennard scaling stopped about twenty years ago, and which compilers do not know how to use properly and potentially never will

>>108053181
>they'll be getting run over by self-driving trucks and touching people's food while dumpster diving in greater number
ftfy

>>108052599
no one cares about manchild respect

>>108053220
You forgot the
>b-baka

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>>108052599
>seeing codejeets turn into luddites is hilarious

Rather seeing codeChads turning into high wizards of knowhow while the rest of humanity gets jeeter and stupider.

Your demoralization tactics won't work here you filthy kike

>>108052939
>But coding as a hobby is extremely satisfying
What is a good hobby project for coding? I code for work which is okay but I need something outside of work just to keep busy and sharpen my skills. I mostly do webdev shit but wouldnt mind learning a new language or stack if the project was interesting. Even if I never touched that stack again.

>I can't imagine ruining the fun by asking an AI to spit out code for you, feels the same as playing a puzzle game and looking up the answer
That is the best feeling

>>108053334
>sharpen my skills
>I mostly do webdev shit

I don't think there's any hope for you.

>>108052599
>writing code for mr shekelstein
use the sloppiest AI output as long as it good enough to not get me fired
the next guy will use another AI to untangle the slop anyway
>writing code for myself
fuck AI, rawdog everything, figuring stuff out is satisfying
>>108052939
ma nigga

>>108052599
Nobody cares what you think. You are not the center of the world. Fucking loser.

>>108053334
make a traditional roguelike or a gameboy emulator

>>108053502
>hurt ego response

>>108053417
>I don't think there's any hope for you.
not if all I do is wedbev shit, hence the need for a hobby project

>>108053507
>make a traditional roguelike or a gameboy emulator
any good sources you could rec?

>>108052599
software "engineers" are all zoomers that need a fancy job title to make themselves feel special

easiest STEM degree to get btw

>>108052599
I'm all for socially outcasting those who use AI

>>108053544
https://gbdev.io/resources.html
for the gameboy, a roguelike isn't that difficult to figure out by yourself

>>108052599
>u just can't use the most revolutionary piece of tech since the discovery of fire and the industrial revolution cause I'll lose my job!
KEK enjoy being left behind bud

If you code with google or reference documentation I have 0 respect for you.

>>108053201
>1. It's not AI, it's LLMs.
And what the fuck do you think OP is talking about, dumbass

>>108053668
Society isn't controlled by you and your luddite buddies, it's controlled by people on the Epstein list. They love AI and you won't do shit about it

>>108052825
.2 respect because you're lazy.

>>108053743
I'm sure you program with nothing but a compiler and a notepad. Surely you wouldn't be lazy and rely on these pesky build systems to automate things for you, right anon?

>>108053731
Your autism.

>>108052599
Debugging with AI >>> coding with AI.

That's fine. I don't respect you no matter what you do

>>108052599
>RollerCoaster Tycoon image
If you don't code in ASM and don't know what a VFMADD231PS is I have 0 respect for you
if you're going to be a gatekeeper at least go full retard on it, ai has its use, i'm not gonna ctrl+c ctrl+v 1000+ lines that all need some type of processing when local llm can do it for me for "free"

>>108053805
>he uses a compiler
automated slop

Nobody is helping me. ill take what i can get to make something awesome-r than a roller coaster tycoon.

>>108053201
>Compilers are deterministic in their output, LLMs are not.
oh its you again. you didnt learn anything the last time i told you llms were deterministic

>>108053684
Enjoy your tech debt and cognitive decline, retard

>>108053997
Dunno what you're talking about, but I tend to forget retards easily.

>>108052939
>I can't imagine ruining the fun by asking an AI to spit out code for you
that is because you are still "young" and curious. once you have really understand how programming works, then you will know exactly what kind of code you need to write whenever you need a feature to be completed. that is very boring to type out. it's like typing essays; you already know what the contents of the paper will be and you are just transcribing it from your brain onto the paper. i would rather have the machine write down most of it so i can sooner start using those tools that i wanted to be programmed

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>>108054041
>once you have really understand how programming works
I must've been just unlucky to never see code from people who really understand how programming works, then. Or hardware, for that matter.

>>108054023
>sampling=False
your response, nigger?

>>108054074
i think the big thing you need is to understand your compiler or interpreter outputs. you can prove your understanding of programming if you can fix every error that gets reported without just copy pasting it into google to see what it means. if you immediately know how to fix your mistakes, then i would say it's true that you would already know exactly how your code is supposed to be written in the first place. that means it it would not be a big detriment to take a shortcut for it

>>108054074
What the fuck is this. This can't be real at all. These questions are like one week into programming tier.

>>108054188
Not only is that a ridiculously low bar, but it also perfectly explains why our current infrastructure is fucked beyond repair and needs a complete teardown.
If shit like

for(i = 0;i < 50;i++)
    fd[i] = open(fn[i],O_RDONLY);

doesn't repulse you, I'm sorry, but you have still so much to learn.

>>108054264
if you are working on something important then sure you should be more involved with it. i just don't see a problem in someone who is experienced to automate high level code for something quick like plugging your function into the AI and asking it to refactor it in the way that you intend it to be designed rather than wasting your time typing it out

>>108054335
>ask AI to "refactor this snippet"
>suggests error handling, feedback, magic numbers, scoping, resource management
>not a *single word* about mode switches and thread blocks because the AI is trained on existing code
>have to explicitly mention them

Now let's be honest: how many developers even know what a mode switch is? Or why threads block?

>>108054384
>>have to explicitly mention them
i do not tell it to design my refactored code, i only commission it with the specifications i am thinking of. if there is some kind of technique as you mention that i would not know about, then i would not want the AI to use it either way because that is how you lose your grasp on how your program is written

>>108054422
>because that is how you lose your grasp on how your program is written
Sounds like a (You) problem you're trying to turn into a user problem.

>>108052815
It's not Counter-Strike, its actually Rollercoaster Tycoon :)

>>108054473
k

>>108054611
>k
So you admit this was never about programming in the first place.

>>108054725
what is your point exactly? you are complaining about the skills of the average programmer which is not what i am talking about

>>108054826
My point is that you sound Indian.

>>108054074
int i;
int oddNums[100];

for (i=0; i<100; i++) {
oddNums[i] = 0;
};

for (i=1; i<100; i++) {
if (i % 2 != 0) {
oddNums[i] = i;
}
};

for (i=0; i<100; i++) {
if (oddNums[i] != 0) {
printf("%d", oddNums[i]);
}
};

How'd I do /g/

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>>108052815
>I'm so fucking glad I never got into CS
it's really bad right now

>>108054950
The lack of code tags is too much for it to be ragebait.

>>108054967
Ok sorry
I don't post very often.
Working on a project in C as a hobby / lottery ticket to escape wage slavery.
I shouldn't even be posting.
I'll go back to coding shitty stuff in private again.
Thanks for reminding me to use code tags next time.

>>108054963
I sometimes have to sit with job interviews. And I unironically sometimes recommend people if they have a fun hobby. Because that makes them different from other candidates with no identity. Sitting at the other side of the table really changed my look on how people get jobs.

>>108053743
If I wasn't lazy I wouldn't be a programmer

>>108052599
I use it as a glorified auto complete. but i never let it take over.

i just downloaded openrtc2
gonna spend the next few hours just building shitty themeparks

>>108056065
I still play this game, lots of fun always to be had.

>>108052599
>nooo some pedophile doesn't respect me
JEJ

>>108052599
>I
Literally who?

>>108052599
You wouldn’t have respected me anyway
Meanwhile, I have programs that I like that I wouldn’t have been able to make myself
>>108053334
Something you want to exist
If you can’t think of anything, wait until you have a problem that can be solved with code

>>108052599
your respect is worthless

>>108052939
this

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>>108052599
so before i watched tv series while coding, now i send an agent and can watch tv series with focus.

why do i deserve 0 respect?

>>108053334
>I got into coding for money, and have no real interest in it, what should I make as a hobby to sharpen my "skills"?
kys

>>108052599
It's ok, I have something much better than your respect: dozens of userscripts that make the web usable written in plain English without ever having to know the abomination that is Javascript.

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>the most popular discrete GPU from AMD
>no one talks about it

oh no the main character syndrome man doesn't respect me

>>108062157
>Another zoomer thinks someone having opinions not directly parroted from social media algorithms means they have "main character syndrome"