Guix uses GNU Shepherd rather than systemd

>>108054365
Why would I want to be free of the best DE and best init system?

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>>108054365
Gentoo Linux.
>systemd free
Systemd is good though I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

>GNOME free
Can't you install GNOME on all of these? Anyway, why not DragonFlyBSD or NetBSD? There's also Haiku of course.

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>Why would I want to be free of the best DE and best init system?

>>108054406
>Gentoo
Controlled opposition distro

OpenIndiana

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>>108054365
>falling for every single /g/ meme at once

just fucking use debian.
nobody cares about your init system.

>>108054415
Artix dropped support for GNOME.

>>108054415
pretty sure the first three have it up to 48. 49 added hard dependencies on systemd and none have patched it afaik. no idea about the BSDs

>>108054423
From the list in OP:
2 are contrarian memes
2 are BSDs (not comparable to Linux)
then there is Void which is fine but with an inferior package manager
Gentoo wins.

>>108054365
i think alpine is better than artix but alpine is shit for desktops

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>>108054503
Gentoo is controlled by glownigger trannies, NOT a chad distro

>>108054570
Would.

>>108054570
looks like LaurieWired. birds of a feather

>>108054570
Need a Gentoo wife.

https://aliceinwire.github.io/
>reference to Cinderella U149
>does kernel hacking
>is into privacy and selfhosting
>makes chuddie nocoders seethe
Holy fucking based.
>>108054594
She also have wire in website name.
Bros where do I meet girls like this?

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>>108054654
Hello glowtroon

Nothing to see here. It's permanently closed and they just rented office space next to this location because the rent was cheap. It's operating multiple office locations all over Asia despite the parent company being permanently closed.

Don't pay any attention to the fact that one of our employees came out of nowhere and started managing a bunch of Linux kernel projects with no prior qualifications. Oh and don't worry about the fact that they're a ghost on paper and somehow managed to change their last name on a whim while living in a country that's known to be hostile towards gaijin where it's extremely difficult for someone that married a native to get their name listed in the family registry.

There is absolutely nothing strange going on here at all.

>>108054698
Meds.

>>108054698
interesting
but a 30 minute drive is far enough away this could just be accidental
the other stuff is interesting though, any more solid evidence?

>>108054365
Ubuntu is the supreme gigachad distro

>>108054786
Doesn't meet the requirements, try again.

>>108054365
>no GNOME
>no systemd

Microsoft Windows ;-)

>>108054604
You take a gentooman, configure him a bit and then 'make' him your wife.

>>108054806
Your "requirements" are gay nerd shit

>>108054833
Oh yeah, I guess ReactOS counts if being a Unix-like isn't important. I'm looking forward to testing it on an ARMv7 machine I've ordered.
https://reactos.org/wiki/ARM_Port
On that note, there's also RISC OS.
>>108054864
But anon-kun, you're on the gay nerd board.

Alpine. 250mb. Fuck every single person alive.

>>108054365
BSDs are not distros anon-kun.

Here is a helpful list: https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2025/10/04/363/

>>108054977
What a bunch of gay memes, pretty pathetic.

>>108054968
that's a lot of people

>>108055088
I'm enjoying it that aggressively. I'm also cramming on Ansible. I'm going to replace Arch with alpine, but I have to build the alpine image with ansible and other tools, then clone it to bare metal. It will be my new kvm host. Super fast. Fucking cunt-hair small.

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>>108055130
>chooses unusable distro designed for containers for muh minimalism
>proceeds to use utter bloat like ansible
I have no idea what goes on inside your mind really.

>>108054406
what's good about it?

>>108055362
Low overhead kvm host. I only need it to run ansible and virtual machines. Ansible offers distro-agnostic automation. I'm all ears if you know of a comparable alternative.

>>108055408
I like declarative service units more than init scripts, timers have have nice features like persistency and dependencies, parallelization via socket activation, better consistent tooling via systemctl, once you get used even the so hated binary logs become comfy to use, tidier file structure in /etc

>>108055491
Alpine comes with chron setup such that you just place scripts into directories that trigger at intervals of 1 day, 1 week, or 1 month. Dependencies can be implemented with if logic in any language of your choice.

>>108055491
Alpine also uses openrc, so not it's not all scripts.

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>>108055024
>a bunch of gay memes
It's a list of Linux distros that do not include systemd and other Red Hat shitware in their default installs. Explain how this is a "gay meme". Or don't since you sound pretty retarded so I doubt you have anything interesting to say.

Obarun Linux (obarun.org) is probably the best of the bunch if someone wants a desktop system. I've been playing with it for awhile and it seems good. It isn't on my desktop yet though because I'm still running my own custom overlay for Gentoo alongside OpenBSD and FreeBSD on my laptops and other desktop systems. I'm slowly molding FreeBSD into something I like since a lot of the defaults aren't that great and a lot of the ports include some IBM shitware by default (mostly dbus and lately wayland). But ports are easy enough to fix with compile time options. FreeBSD's base system is pretty easy to unfuck as well. But the defaults for a lot of things are bad and they do not include a display server by default (you have to get it from ports). The sound server (OSS) is great though along with a lot of other stuff in the base system. But there are also a lot of things in base that should have been removed years ago that they maintain for "legacy" support and many things are outdated. Like most of what they're taken from OpenBSD. Their version of pf is horribly out of date for example.

But all that aside it can run any linux binary through its linux emulator and wine/proton is supported. So it's probably the best choice for most users.

I wish there was a FreeBSD fork that worked more like OpenBSD. OpenBSD has the best installer I've ever seen. It's so easy a normalfag could install and use it. You get a working X11 session that's secure by default and the sound server is the best thing I've used. It'd be really nice to have a version of FreeBSD based upon OpenBSD philosophy with less strict security first defaults

OpenBSD on the desktop is so good because the developers actually use it for their desktop

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>>108055571
>OpenBSD on the desktop is so good because the developers actually use it for their desktop
This is why the OpenBSD project shines. The developers use it day-to-day. With FreeBSD most of the developers are Applefags and only run FreeBSD through a VM.

OpenBSD's drivers are the best around too. If your hardware is supported it just werks. Their wifi drivers are miles ahead of everyone else and all of them work through ifconfig like they should. With FreeBSD you get a terrible port of wpa_supplicant for most modern wifi cards. Or there isn't a driver at all because you're forced to rely on Linux emulator and use the Linux driver. Reminds me of the situation Linux was in during the mid-late 2000s where no one was making native drivers and were using wrappers around Windows drivers instead.

OpenBSD developers do not allow this within their OS. They properly port a driver over and make it conform to the rest of the base system. If you have a thinkpad or other common hardware some developer is using 9 times out of 10 your wifi card is well supported. Mine recently got support for higher speed wifi because someone used the latest Linux driver for it as a guide and wrote a brand new driver. But you have to use -current to get it at the moment because it wasn't added in time to make the latest release (which happen ever 6 months).

You can see a huge difference in how the OSs are developed if you spend time lurking around both communities. But the OpenBSD way of doing things also means they remove nearly as much code as they add every 6 months. Which is why the wine and bluetooth support was removed due to lack of someone maintaining them. They aren't opposed to adding them back in but no one has stepped up to do it yet. Instead if you want bluetooth support on OpenBSD you have to buy a dongle to make them connect through USB drivers. Which work fine. I understand why they don't want to mess around supporting most bluetooth chipsets.

>>108054438
Debian is only passable for servers, it's too fucking out of date for anything else. Arch is increasingly the only distro that matters.

>>108054365
Just finished lfs and xlibre +emwm
Using s6-rc and mdevd with libudev zero. Used older gcc and kernel from my gentoo distfiles, most stuff was the same ver as lfs. Running xorg as user, no suid. No logind bs. No dbus shit.

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>>108055614
Debian was fine for a desktop until about 10 years ago. Which is why a lot of people are mad. But this brings up a good point I wanted to make.

>>108055608
After you've used the BSDs for awhile you get fed up with the GNU/Linux was of taking a hodgepodge of different software and throwing it together.

I wish there was a Linux distro that operated more like the BSDs do with a proper base system. When there is a base system everything works together more coherently. The applications in base are just as important as the kernel. Everything is guaranteed to function and work well together. Which means your config files can be sane and in one place. It also allows you to write proper man pages. Things do not change every few months-years when someone decides to stop working on one project and another one comes along.

With Linux you end up having to constantly stay on top of things changing in the lower levels of the system. In the BSDs that stuff stays the same for decades. When there is a big change in the base system it's well thought out and you get time to prepare for it.

All of this leads to other benefits like the ports collection remaining stable and up to date for years at a time. Ports in the BSDs aren't like Linux. They're forced to conform to the base system. It's also much easier to mix building some ports from source with binary packages. It isn't like Linux where you're forced to go all-in with binaries or building from source. Things don't break when you mix them together because all ports are intended to be able to be built from source by default.

All of this is why the BSDs don't have to maintain a large wiki like Arch (and greater Linux) does just for basic functionality.

>>108055630
You should document how you did it or share links to guides you used. How is mdev working out for you? How are your boot times? How much problem are you having using packages that claim to rely on IBM software for basic functionality?

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OpenBSD enthusiast here, boy does it feel good to be a gnufree, dfree, gnomefree, and redhat free CHAD

>>108055630
>No dbus shit.
I too am not running dbus on any of my systems. Are you faking it like I am to get stuff like Firefox working?

On my Gentoo system I was forced to take a lot of things from OpenBSD to make things work. I used their Firefox port as a guide for building my own from source. It fakes dbus being installed so the browser will launch without complaining about it not being there. I think the only thing lack of dbus broke was libreoffice's context menus. Which was fine by me since I ended up uninstalling it anyway. When I'm forced to use .docx files for work I simply use M$ Office through wine.

For /dev I went with static /dev. Since I'm not constantly plugging in new hardware to the system. When I do need to support a new device I simply rebuild my kernel. I like it better this way I feel like the system is more secure and random person can't come by and plug-in something that might be used to exploit the system. My /dev doesn't need to change very often I've only had to mess with it twice in 5 years. But I am interested in trying mdev soon so I'd like to hear how it's working out for you.

I got really spoiled when I switched most of my systems over to *BSDs. Using Linux is a big pain now. Gentoo can at least be molded into something similar but I'm starting to dislike portage a lot since I've been working with the BSD ports collections.

My next project is to check out NetBSD on an older system and see how I like it. I'm hopeful that I might eventually be able to replace my FreeBSD set up with it.

>>108055669
After using the BSDs for the past few years I understand why they're so hated by the shills on this board. It truly is an escape from what's happening in Linux distros. The BSDs are far better designed for desktop and server use. All of my servers are now on OpenBSD and all of my desktops and laptops save two are on some BSD flavor.

The only two systems I have that aren't on a BSD are the one running Gentoo and the one I have in an arcade cabinet running Windows 7. I need Windows on that last one to support a bunch of arcade games that do not work through wine at the moment. Since the Japanese went all-in on Windows for arcade around the middle of the 2000s. I could probably make some of them work through wine or VMs. But they all want specific GPU drivers and check for them at run time. So I'm already using a ton of patches that probably wouldn't play well with wine. One of the big draw backs of wine is the fact that it still can't support a lot of patches even for games released for PC in the 2010s. I have one in particular where I've tried everything to get an improvement patch working through wine and it just refuses to load the proper .dll no matter what I do. Keeping Windows around on that box is just easier.

>>108055653
S6-rc was a bit hard but once you get it set up its fast and has worked well so far. I did the whole thing to learn and as a bit of an experiment, there was no guide that gave the whole picture.
Mdevd from skarnet works with libudev-zero well, i just start mdevd (i think you need to feed it -O4 to tell it to rebroadcast on netlink socket that libudev -zero listens on) then mdevd-coldplug. You need to build xserver and xf86-input-evdev after installing libudev-zero so it uses that. At first i used static dev and no udev and got evdev working in xorg.
To start x i used a variation of the sx script off github, it starts x in the tty you are logged into so doesnt need suid root.
Havent tried building browsers yet, apparently udev-zero works well there but dbus im not sure. Chromium will take days to compile on this laptop because 8gb ram. Im going to try that on my desktop when the weather cools down here.

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>>108055788
>there was no guide that gave the whole picture.
This is why I asked you to write a guide if you have the time. This is the main problem with skarnet software. They seem openly hostile to anyone that wants to make it easier for people to use their software. I'm on the mailing list and understand why. But their stack has been pretty good for years now yet no one uses it aside from hackers like you and I because there is no helpful newbie friendly guide out there to walk people through it and get them up to speed on how everything works.

Plus s6 itself changes often and breaks compatibility with earlier versions. Which is why stuff like 66 was created but it quickly got out of date and it seems like whoever is maintaining it doesn't want to keep it up to date with later s6 releases. I always thought making a tool like that was a bad idea in the first place. You're better off using s6 directly and teaching people how it works.

I really like s6 I'm using it for my init as well. I should probably document how I got it up and running. I haven't used mdevd and libudev-zero yet. I should probably give it a try soon but I don't want to mess with my working system much because I use it for work.

>Havent tried building browsers yet, apparently udev-zero works well there but dbus im not sure.
It shouldn't care about udev-zero. For the dbus issue check out the OpenBSD port. It includes everything you need to know about getting Firefox up and running without dbus. You basically just fake an instance of it and Firefox will run happily. It doesn't need dbus at all just like most things that claim it's a hard dependency. Worse thing you'll have happen for most of that stuff is it'll spam some error messages to console crying about not being able to find it then it'll work anyway.

I need to check in to see how the skarnet IPC system for s6 is coming along. Arcan project's SHMIF is working already and it's a great IPC.

>>108055788
I should add that im loading modules manually as needed in s6-rc services, but you can use mdev.conf to load all the modules, it just spams ids at modprobe so you end up with lots of crap, i think a bit worse than what udev would give you.

>>108055846
>use OpenBSD package.
I forgot there is already a good overlay for Firefox without dbus. I made my own for my overlay. But you'll probably be better off using this guys: https://github.com/stefan11111/stefan_overlay

Here is a relevant thread on the Gentoo forums: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8795817.html

The dbus thing isn't within Firefox itself it's GTK that must be patched to make things work without dbus.

The gtk patch is probably the better way to do it within Gentoo. Its been working for years now and it doesn't break anything assuming you aren't using Gnome. To use Gnome you'll have to use a bunch of patches and I don't know if they're still maintaining a patch set for non-systemd systems that aren't running stuff like udev and elogind. They maintained one for years but it was a lot of work and the forum mods are pretty hostile to that kind of discussion these days.

>>108055879
I haven't used it yet but I was under the impression that mdevd could use udev config files without any issues.

>>108055886
No, it uses mdev config files. I tried mdev for a bit (from busybox) but skarnets one works with libudev-zero with no hassle like setting up handlers. The mdev config i havent really touched except commenting out the module loading. It sets permissions for device files and can move them.

>>108054365
going non-systemd + non-xorg + WM unironically opened my chakras and made me schizophrenic

>>108055965
>non-xorg
back to xorg*

>>108055956
Oh I must have gotten it mixed up with another udev replacement. Sorry about that. I don't mind re-writing config files. As long as it's easy enough to translate them when making packages it isn't a problem. The only issue is getting enough people interested in keeping ports up to date at that point.

>>108055965
>made me schizophrenic
I know you're joking but I wish people would stop spreading the "schizo" and "meds" thing. They are insults used by the same people pushing all this crap on to users.

>>108055886
>gtk
Uhhh. I think chromium uses it too, maybe ill port the file-picker to motif lol. Or wait for ladybird?

>>108054365
macOS.

>>108056015
Just use gtk2 when possible. The only thing on my system pulling in gtk3/4 are the browsers.
>file picker
If you have Qt on your system like I do for a few applications you can simply change one config var and use the Qt file picker instead. Which has supported images in the file picker for the last 25 years.

>>108056015
Didn't Chromium introduce a Qt option? Though you might still need Gtk to compile/install it, I really don't know... I personally wouldn't want to use Chromium outside of my normalfag box if I could help it.

>>108056071
I tend to avoid it when possible. But the OpenBSD port of Chromium isn't that bad. It has full support for pledge and unveil. Theo recommends using it over Firefox for some reasons I've forgotten. For awhile it was the only viable browser on OpenBSD when pledge and unveil were first introduced. But now Firefox has full support for both and I think most people use it instead because it has better add-ons.

You'd be amazed at how many mainstream websites violate pledge and unveil rules and cause Firefox to exit and dump core. A lot of websites are attempting to do a lot of naughty stuff.

>>108054604
>>108054654
>wife
>girls
That's a man

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>>108056090
pufferfish wit da big ass lip

>>108054365
Fuck Systemd and Leonard Pottering.

>>108054365
Chimera Linux. The official tranny distro.

>>108056217
The rise of these
>GAMER DISTROS!
has been really funny to watch. Since any new distro was almost always instantly banned from places like /r/linux. But if you take fedora and add some patches that have been around for years then lie to normalfags about it producing more fps for their AAA garbage you get free promotion everywhere.

Meanwhile, all interesting software like s6 and Arcan gets you instantly censored and shadowbanned.

>>108054365
Slackware

>>108055571
>You get a working X11 session that's secure by default
still was vuln to CVE-2018-14665 KEK

>>108056968
Wow software has bugs. Who would have guessed. I guess it's a good thing the OS has the best team in the world and the best patching utility among all operating systems.

Looks good to me: https://www.openbsd.org/errata78.html

Xenocara has made multiple changes and provided multiple patches to the build system. It has improved security massively. They have tried to contribute all of this upstream for over a decade now and FreeDesktop refuses to accept anything. I'm hopeful they'll just give up and fork it soon. I've been waiting for years for the OpenBSD developers to fork it and when FreeDesktop decides to finally kill Xorg they won't have a choice anymore. They've been far too nice to continue trying to work with upstream. OpenBSD developers will make massive improvements to the X11 server once they've been forced to do a hard fork.

>>108057004
>it's a good thing the OS has the best team in the world
the best brains in Canada and none of them objected to keeping Xorg setuid
>Xenocara has made multiple changes and provided multiple patches to the build system.
Xenocara is Xorg with BSD make. Lay off the pot you fukin faget

>>108057098
>I've never used OpenBSD the post
https://github.com/openbsd/xenocara/commit/c155af5f9aea1d57c3d34009e1b6da7f07eb232c

It runs under a user account called _x11 and the small portion that's root (required to access input devices and graphics card) is fully pledged.
>it's just a build system
It's not.

Tell us more about how wayland is more secure while you're running over 900,000 lines of code as root with no auditing and multiple bugs labeled WONTFIX.

>>108057138
still affected by easy CVE-2018-14665. Yawn
>Wayland out of nowhere
mindbroken.

>>108057210
>mindbroken
Just easy to spot the wayland shitposters in the wild. Since you have no argument you're forced to go look up random CVE like they mean anything. I linked you directly to the errata pages you could simply go hunting through those if you want to post CVEs like they mean anything. Considering any that are reported are fixed within a few hours. Very good for a group that aren't allowed into the sekrit club to get access to zero days anymore because they refused to play along and not publish patches before the end of the embargo. OpenBSD developers refuse to sign embargos because they won't go along with what's happening in the so-called security (glow nigger) industry.

Would you like to let us all in on your privately maintained display server that isn't X11 or Wayland since you're not claiming you aren't using either. I find it very hard to believe someone would come to this thread and start shitting all over Xenocara if they weren't running some bullshit like Fedora and all-in on the IBM crapware running as root. You're even here parroting the old suid myth. Regurgitating the talking points you've been fed through Red Hat propaganda over the last 10 years.

At least OpenBSD devs acknowledge and fix bugs instead of labeling them WONTFIX and pretending there are no issue. The init within OpenBSD doesn't grant root to usernames starting with a number as an example.

>>108054365
Is JAVnoka there to represent the cuck license?

>>108054406
>"A stop job is running" for 10 hours
yeah, no

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>>108057255
>wordswordswords
leftists can't meme

>>108054365
>Any other gnome and systemd free, chad distros?
why would i want to do that?
arch gnome btw.

>>108057334
>>108057416
>>108057423
Reddit is that way ---->

>>108057431
offtopic is that way >>>/b/

>>108057431
>Reddit is that way ---->
https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/
yippe!!!!!!! i'm home!

I'm happy with gentoo, I'd use BSD but I use CUDA. Gentoo is based on ports so its the closest.

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>>108057334
>>108057416
>>108057423
>>108057444
>>108057454
Take a good look. This is the best IBM can afford.

>>108057469
FreeBSD has CUDA support now through the libc6-shim package.

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>>108057471
>if you don't have the same opinion as me you're a shill
enjoy your half broken distros mate.

>>108057478
Isn't that for running pre-compiled? Or does it have the nvcc compiler now?

>>108057538
nvcc works through the linux emulator last I tried it.

>>108057525
Everything works fine for me. Perhaps you should learn how to into computer. I also suggest learning how to into imageboard while you're at it.

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>>108057554
>Perhaps you should learn how to into computer.
i don't need to which is the point.

>>108057554
>>108057538
You don't have to use a linux emulator or jail. Blender runs natively with CUDA support since at least 2022.

Don't feed the retards.

>>108057568
What does blender running prove about nvcc working?

>>108057591
Because it uses an nvcc compiler?

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>>108057471
i run OpenBSD you fagrt
i have something called a BRAIN that allows me to do the thinking ! How AWESOME is that ! That means others don't have to think for me

Imagine going through the effort of installing OpenBSD in a VM just to attempt justifying the shitposting you're doing in a thread you obviously have no interest in.

>>108057722
That's like 3 minutes of time.

>>108057722
>if you use my operating system you have to subscribe to my gay little philosophy

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Imagine being this desperate for any kind of attention.

>>108057729
Not for him. He spent over 20 minutes because he had to figure out how to get a browser going from ports.

It's really sad when you think about it.

>>108057744
pkg_add firefox-esr ungoogled-chromium
wasn't so hard
You may not give me (You)s any longer but (You)'re the only one in my heart of hearts anon <3

>>108057744
Never used OpenBSD, but they clearly have ff and chromium in their repositories.

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>fucking void
how? thats a troon OS with fewer packages, not pratical.
>protest memes
dependent on their master and contrarian for the sake of it, not pratical.
>BSDs
not pratical.
>chads
stupid rage bait, grow the fuck up.

>Normalfags start waking up for the day
>quality of posts instantly drops
Every day. It's so tiring.

>>108057770
the Chromium port has a gorillion patches because Google does not support OpenBSD. They leech off its libc though
cuck licenses in action

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>>108057564
based.

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OpenBSD schizoshill in full force ITT.
>OpenBSD is good for desktop
lol, lmao even

>>108054365
>Void Linux
You mean that one that's run by bronies and BLM troons?

>FreeBSD
You mean that one that was an early adopter of the Geek Feminism CoC?

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>>108057804
>>108057962
Gentoo doesn't have these problems.

>>108054365
>ITT systemD shills saying the same tired bullshit.
They hated op cuz he told the truth. I use artix+openrc and it just worx. People said its not stable but i never had anything break. Just fyi OP, you can always tell its a systemD shill when they call systemdless distros either a meme distro, protest distro or contrarian distro. They say this same shit all the time as if it means something without actually saying anything. Now that youre aware, youll start to nootice

>>108057887
it's a good desktop operating system. i don't care so much about security as I do about the software it offers: ksh, cwm, tmux, etc. Everything JUSTWERKS for me
The worst part about it is the community. Like that FAGGOT up above that thinks i'm IBM because i don't share his opinions and think for myself

>calling anyone a shill when the same avatarfag shows up anytime someone dares to insult systemd for any reason

>>108058001
I could swear I remember seeing some anons here bitch about some Gentoo drama a while back and bemoan how it's gotten worse over the years, but I can't really recollect what it was about.

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>>108054365
>Devuan
Good, soistemd-free distro but not redhat-free if you care about that stuff. Mostly just werks but sometimes you need to write custom scripts to start some programs automatically. Also it inherits Debians absolutely retarded precompiled binary options (just check about:buildconfig in firefox-esr sometime, most hardening options are missing)
>Artix
Same as devuan, except the retarded compiling option part. s6 init is pretty nice.
>Void Linux
Tranny distro so it's not chad by definition.
>FreeBSD
usable on supported hardware, albeit 802.11ac and ax support is lacking
>OpenBSD
My OpenBSD experience was horrible on desktop, core0 was always running at 100% (I had to patch the kernel multiple times kek), firefox was a bit buggy, I hated Xenocara, some packages I depend on aren't available (and no I won't compile them all the time, fuck it). Some of my hardware aren't supported either (SDR stuff, wifi cards etc). Plus idk if it supports LUKS2+btrfs or LUKS2+ext4 drives now, that's another dealbreaker for me.
>Any other gnome and systemd free, chad distros?
Antix or alpine if you don't mind trannies, PCLinuxOS if you do.
Try GhostBSD if you want a just werks FreeBSD
>t. CachyOS KDE+wayland user
>>108057887
Don't worry, he'll call you a paid shill / goverment agent and will link the gentlemans guide to forum spies.

>>108055362
>>108058028
What's strange is he has a problem with ansible. Probably because I'm not using it on a systemd distro. I'll also be looking into tools like Packer and Opentofu for my automation and homelabbing needs.

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>>108058065
he shills open bsd but uses gnu shitware
what a loony

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>>108058065
in my experience, devuan is terrible; it doesn't just work like debian, so in my opinion, it's a worse version of debian.

artix seems genuinely better than arch, but that's not hard to achieve. hence they're all protest memes.

>all these fags showing up as a group and claiming everyone that disagrees with them is the same person
Not helping your cause tbhdesu

>>108054365
debian supports sysvinit
>https://wiki.debian.org/Init#Switching_the_init_system

>>108058065
>I hated Xenocara
said no one ever
>Idk if it has luks2
no it doesnt have linux specific disc encryption
>my obscure SDR needs arent met
so write a driver

you will NOT be missed 2004 poster

>>108056878
>any new distro was almost always instantly banned from places like /r/linux.
Newfag who just started learning Linux, why is this?

rockstar gaymes can’t connect to the internet under wayland on artix for some reason, but it works on arch, so i came after two years

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>>108058231
send me that wallpaper btw

>>108057842
>the Chromium port has a gorillion patches because Google does not support OpenBSD.
The Chromium port has a bunch of patches because OpenBSD actually has a working restricted-service operating mode.

>>108058028
He's the dumbest user on nu/g/ by far.

>>108058065
>OpenBSD desktop is bad
>Does it have LUKS2+btrfs?
Going to take a wild guess and say you never used it and didn't read the man pages.
>he'll call you a paid shill / goverment agent and will link the gentlemans guide to forum spies.
If this bothers you maybe you should stop acting like one. Thanks for making everyone aware that you're only here because you thought I was in this thread. Really funny how you fags always show up together in every thread where anons are discussing options that don't include IBM software isn't it? Almost like you're all talking to each other off site somewhere.

>>108058154
I guess you missed all the posts where I stated multiple times I don't care about licensing and pirate everything. Licensing is stupid and people should mix BSD and GPL code all they want with no fucks given. What is the FSF going to do, sue us? They haven't sued anyone that's stolen GPL code ever.

>>108058287
It is well known the mods on all places like reddit censor all discussion about non-systemd distros. You could start an entire forum on the posts they've banned in the last year and it would be filled with active threads. When they don't ban and delete said posts they dogpile in and posts the same insults and bullshit like you're doing right now.

>>108058298
No. But I do find it funny how you've saved each and every image I've uploaded to this board over the last year. Like that's something a regular user would do.

It's always amusing to see you all stalk me and post vague things like you know who I am and where I live. You're all really desperate for that dox. The one time I uploaded an image with a faked SSID it was fun seeing the reaction happen in under 5 minutes.

>>108058351
Sure. You also like posting vague hints that you read a post I made months ago in an attempt to spook me. Like spooks do.

If you really care about who I am tune into national US television around 6pm tonight. Since I'll probably be on TV multiple times as I'm out of town for work.

But this thread isn't about me and it isn't about your stupid raid. It's about OSs that aren't co-opted by glow niggers. For those interested here is the list of ones based on the Linux kernel: https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2025/10/04/363/

>>108058315
>The Chromium port has a bunch of patches because OpenBSD actually has a working restricted-service operating mode.
1440 patches just for that?
cuck licenses in action everyone
>I guess you missed all the posts where I stated multiple times I don't care about licensing
gnu shitware is full of vulns
gpg.fail
>But I do find it funny how you've saved each and every image I've uploaded to this board over the last year.
i just searched for emacs openbsd on archive

>>108058381
>1440 patches just for that?
I'm guessing you haven't seen the code if you think this is a small number of patches to implement pledge+unveil within the engine.
>gnu shitware is full of vulns
Good thing the emacs port is pledged then
>I just searched the archives
Right, this is what normal people do. Go searching for specific images uploaded by a random anon. It's not the behavior of someone setting out to dox someone.

How many hours have you wasted so far reading my shitposts?

>>108054698
Nice work

>>108056100
That's my fucking wife arisu.

>>108055614
>>108055653
I use Debian daily, both desktop (with XFCE) and for servers, at home and at work.
It's fine. It works. The only issue I had is that pipewire doesn't work that well with Intel 11th gen audio controller on the Lenovo V14 G2 ITL. That's it. Using pulseaudio fixed it.
On my desktop I had to use proprietary GPU drivers (GTX 1060). Again, only issue I had. It works. Everything else is pretty much flawless.

You fucks rag on Debian too much. It works. That's what's important.

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>>108058247
>said no one ever
:)
>no it doesnt have linux specific disc encryption
RIP
>so write a driver
yeah... I'm NOT writing a driver for an SDR I bought for 1500+ euros. Shit just works on linux, not on OpenBSD. Maybe I'll write a driver for the SDR I'm building rn, but idk if the hardening stuff OpenBSD does will allow me to do that.
(I'll admit OpenBSD apparently supports hackRF and RTL-SDR so it's not hopeless, just more work, which I HATE)
>you will NOT be missed 2004 poster
?
>>108058315
>Going to take a wild guess and say you never used it and didn't read the man pages.
So apparently I never used OpenBSD, I never suffered with my radio stuff, my PC etc. I never read the man pages.
Just for the record, I couldn't find anything related to btrfs or luks2 in https://www.openbsdhandbook.com/storage/ or https://man.openbsd.org/fstab or https://man.openbsd.org/mount
>If this bothers you maybe you should stop acting like one.
?
>thanks for making everyone aware that you're only here because you thought I was in this thread
I think it was obvious ( >>108057255 >>108054570 >>108055571 ) + I remember that you post anime to prove you're not a shill cuz apparently they can't use copyrighted pics. I was in that Funtoo thread.
>Really funny how you fags always show up together in every thread where anons are discussing options that don't include IBM software isn't it?
I literally can't disprove this because this is an imageboard, not facebook. You're free to believe that I'm here only to shill IBM software (even though I did NOT do that, so it's a projection) or that I'm a glownigger on a payroll in fucking Eglin AFB (like most redditors or /pol/tards)
>Almost like you're all talking to each other off site somewhere.
Can't disprove this either. Apparently I'm talking to other anons just to fuck with you on secret discord servers, matrix or XMPP or whatever the cool kids use nowadays.
tl;dr: fuck you.

>>108056100
>>108058521
Nevermind, turned into a gyaru and now looks like a man...
it's so over

>>108058405
so i can build chromium on openbsd without the patches?
no
cuck licenses in action
>How many hours have you wasted so far reading my shitposts?
i ask chatgpt to summarise

>>108058538
not that annoying faggot but the handbook is aislop
use the faq that is actually official
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html
it covers disk encryption

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>>108058017
It's a good project overally don't get me wrong, I use tmux and OpenSSH extensively every day they are great, but the OS is not for me, from what I remember from the last time I have used it the hardware support was really bad, it had no native nvidia and wifi drivers for my laptop, now I have an even more modern one, I have vague memories of not being able to replicate my multi-monitor and drawing tablet configuration there, but the real dealbreakers were the filesystem and encryption tools (I use ext4 and luks2).
It's being a long time, maybe now it's better?
>Like that FAGGOT up above that thinks i'm IBM because i don't share his opinions
He always does that. The funniest thing is when he called me a member of the Gentoo council, I've been called many things on 4chan but that was a first.
>>108058003
It's a contrarian meme distro if its raison d'être is being anti-systemd, meanwhile void, alpine and gentoo all have their own visions and at the same time offer alternative inits, those are real distros.
It's kind of like anti-fascists defining themselves as "against fascism", where you define yourself with a negation you are using slave moralilty, that alone makes me doubt of a project.
>>108058028
>make thread shitting on systemd
>acts surprised when some people defend systemd
When you make a thread against something you should expect some pushback, what do you even want, a hugbox?
>>108058154
Damn that's a nice emacs dashboard, as a neovim user I kneel.
>~/Downloads/Preliminary Materials for a Theory of the Young-Girl.pdf
What is that?

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>>108058703
>When you make a thread against something you should expect some pushback
Pushback by the same exact poster each time who only posts scrap, doesn't accept discussion about Gentoo politics (literally goes "no don't look at that"), wants everyone to just use systemd on gentoo, and only appears in systemd threads
>It's a contrarian meme distro if its raison d'être is being anti-systemd, meanwhile void, alpine and gentoo all have their own visions and at the same time offer alternative inits, those are real distros.
>being anti-systemd isn't a real reason because... because I like systemd!
Stupid scat poster

i hate schizos and retards so much it's unreal

>>108058538
>Just for the record, I couldn't find anything related to btrfs or luks2
Maybe because they're both Linux specific and everyone knows OpenBSD doesn't support filesystems other than FFS2? It isn't like people have been ragging on the OS for years because of this or anything. I find it very hard to believe you didn't even bother to do basic research before attempting to use the OS. This is outlined in multiple places a user should read before installing the installation
>all that other shit
I don't really care what your opinion of me is. You are being an annoying idiot. What did you even come to this thread for if you're satisfied with IBM based linux distros. Normal people don't come into threads they know they don't like and start shitposting alongside the avatarfag that shows up to every thread praising systemd. If you act like a glow nigger or paid shill don't be surprised when people assume you are one.

>>108058531
We don't care. You're no different than an Apple user coming into a Linux thread and praising a Macbook. We don't care about your opinion.

>>108058572
You can build it however the fuck you want. Learn how to use a makefile.

>>108058703
>what do you even want, a hugbox?
We want a thread to discuss things you obviously dislike without you and your little group of friends showing up every time to shitpost. That's all. You have every other thread on this board yet you come to these every time and start being annoying faggots.

This thread isn't about systemd. No one here obviously wants to talk about systemd. Shut the fuck up for once.
>what is this
Try a search engine.

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>>108054365
>Chad Distro
>Void Linux
LOL, LMAO even

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>>108058531
i use pulse too, or whatever comes with xfce. man it just works, everything is just flawless with amd, hands down, the best experience & distro.

>>108058830
And nobody cares about yours, either.
Welcome to 4chan, newfag.

>>108058977
Yup. Audio was flawless on my desktop. It was a specific V14 issue with pipewire. For some reason, any video, when playing through the in-built speakers, froze and CPU went through the roof. When using headphones or bluetooth, it worked fine and stopped working as soon as you changed the audio output device. Pulseaudio fixed the issue, bluetooth and built-in speakers work fine, headset port works fine. It was weird, but eh, shit happens and it was very specific.

>>108058830
>You can build it however the fuck you want. Learn how to use a makefile.
that wasn't my question but i accept your concession

>>108059013
>And nobody cares about yours, either.
Actually the fact that someone reposted the little dig I did on the glow nigger maintaining the kernel within Gentoo proves you wrong. Try as you might you can't stop people from reading.

I'm sure OP really appreciates the fact that you came to his thread and took a big shit all over it just like a pajeet does on the shitting streets of his homeland.
>guyz syztemd just werks!
No it doesn't. A stopped job is running. Can't even reboot.

You know what else just werks? Obarun Linux, Gentoo with highly modified ebuilds and custom overlays that used to function just fine with the default profiles before the project was taken over by IBM employees and glow niggers, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, GhostBSD, DragonflyBSD, Plan9 and all of the other systems that aren't infected with fucking spyware that runs as PID1.

Take not everyone. These people can't allow one little thread to exist anywhere on the web that allows discussion of UNIX-like OSs that aren't running Pottering shitware. They always show up as a group and they ALWAYS do this shit.

>>108059053
>he can't read a makefile
Of course these idiots have no idea how the OS they use actually works. Why would they?

OP I'll point you again to this: https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2025/10/04/363/

There is a good thread under the article. Of these Obarun is your best option for daily use at the moment. I do not suggest getting into Gentoo now. It was the best choice in the past but it's nearly impossible for a newbie to do what you want to do with it now. You'll be forced to hunt down custom overlays and you'll get zero help on the forums now because they no longer want people discussing running the distro without a bunch of IBM shitware. You'll just get endless replies like the ones you're getting ITT where they claim you're being stupid for wanting to try having some sanity on your system. A real shame too because for 15+ years Gentoo was so portable that you could run it on top of the FreeBSD kernel. Of course that project had to be killed off because allowing things of that nature is not possible under the current administration's attempt to force systemd as a hard default. It makes me sad to see just how much the Gentoo project has been ruined since 2015. Arch was the same way. I think losing Debian was the one that hurt the most though.

It's a race to the bottom with linux. No one can develop anything new and interesting anymore for Linux because everyone that wants to ends up spending half their year attempting to keep existing software running as the hard dependencies on systemd and rust worm their way into everything. Maintaining ports for OpenBSD has become very hard now. Half the effort in the ports tree is purely devoted to patching around all of that garbage and some ports have been forced to stop updating all together because it's impossible to keep applications working on all of the archs we build on. I fear yt-dlp is going to go that way soon with the new requirements. So far we've managed to keep it running though.

I hope at least this thread has shown you just how shit this board has become in the last decade. If I knew where to go to escape them I'd tell you

>>108059196
so i can compile chromium without the patches?

>>108059257
I have already answers your question. If you're too much of a niggerbrained monkey to understand what I said there is no point in trying to explain to you further. You're so retarded you don't understand what a makefile is or what portable software means. Maybe if you'd run a proper UNIX instead of systemd/linux you'd have actually learned how to use make.

>>108059274
you cannot compile chromium on openbsd without the six gorillion undocumented patches.
cuck licences are so funny
openbsd supports google with libressl and its libc
google does not support openbsd geg

>>108059320
>I can't into make but I must continue posting
>I don't understand what pledge and unveil are
>I've never used the OS but I'm really really interested in knowing more about it
>systemd just werks by the way
How many posts we up to now? 20? 30? How many more times will you post in a thread you admit you don't have any interest in?

I'm just not that into you anon. Nor am I into your faggy group of friends. You should stop digging in my trash can for used underwear. It's kind of nasty.

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>>108059350
https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/chromium-dev/c/b57hDs8yE4g
>we've decided to not accept patches introducing *BSD support at this time.
Mind. Broken.

>>108059389
>Glow nigger software company doesn't accept patches from an OS that doesn't bundle glow nigger spyware by default
I'm shocked!

>>108059196
Chill the fuck out. I was talking about retards itt ragging on Debian. I've used other distros too, some of them you've even mentioned, but here's a few that I've used personally: Fedora, Ubuntu LTS, Arch, Gentoo, openSUSE and SLES, CentOS, among others. Yes, they can "just work" too, my focus was on the constant nagging about Debian is pretty much any thread about distros that come up with.

If OP wants something without systemd, Gentoo is probably his best option if he cares about init systems. I've tried Artix and their package manager fucked up more than once, so I can't personally recommend it, or just go with a BSD if he wants to, although I don't have a lot of experience on those outside of servers, and I've never configured one from scratch.

>>108059401
the glow nigger spyware is what theo recommends geg
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=152872551609819
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=152872744210957

>>108059424
Yeah he does. Since there are no real options for browsers at all if you want to use a modern website that aren't trash. He's not using it to do 90% of his daily web browsing. He's using a text browser like every other sane person.

Chromium for pledged first hence why he used it. Big shocker no one agrees 100%. What are you trying to prove by searching through random mailing list posts? It's funny how you're so willing to put in effort in an attempt to make me mad. But you won't read a man page and don't know wtf you're talking about. It's very obvious from the dumb ass shit you post.

>>108059419
>If OP wants something without systemd, Gentoo is probably his best option if he cares about init systems
How is it that you were
>in the Funtoo thread
yet you missed the long discussion about OpenRC profile loading almost the entire systemd repo by default now and OpenRC itself being very very bad because the maintainer squats on it and made very very bad changes while refusing security patches.

@grok can you summarize this thread? BSD and firefox?

>>108059447
>How is it that you were
>>in the Funtoo thread
Because I replied to your post that replied to another anon ITT, more than 2 ppl exist on this website. Should I tripfag for your convenience?

>>108059447
>What are you trying to prove by searching through random mailing list posts? It's funny how you're so willing to put in effort in an attempt to make me mad. But you won't read a man page and don't know wtf you're talking about. It's very obvious from the dumb ass shit you post.
i'm not the avatarfag and i use openbsd so i was already familiar with theo's thoughts on chromium aka "glow nigger spyware" and firefox
>It's funny how you're so willing to put in effort in an attempt to make me mad
you're very mad

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>>108059424
>>108059447
Oh you didn't even find the right post. You just found two random posts where he discusses chrome having slightly better priv separation than firefox. Do you even look at the bullshit you link to? Context matters. Something you seem to not understand.

But who are we kidding. Reading has never been your strong suit. You're just going to keep turbo shitposting ITT acting retarded even if you stop getting fed (you)s. Then you're going to do it all over again the next time one of you stumbles upon a post you think I made and links it in whatever discord chat room all you fags sit in all day.

If you spent half the effort you put into this waste of time that you could have put into learning how UNIX works you wouldn't need me to spoonfeed you why the OpenBSD port of Chromium's makefile has over 1,000 patches. You see we have this thing called pledge and unveil and they...never mind. You aren't going to bother using the information anyway.

All of you are basically Windows users. I hope you know that. You'll slurp up whatever IBM shits out and you'll thank them while begging for more. You'll defend it to your dying breath.

All I know is this: You got REALLY angry once I started digging into the glow niggers in the gentoo council. So when I get back from being out of state I'm going to make sure to do some more of that. I look forward to sperging out.

All you had to do was stop being an annoying faggot and I would have forgotten about it. But you can't help yourself can you?

>>108059502
Right, you totally a user of the OS even though you're here asking why patches exist in the port for the makefile. I 100% believe you.

Tell your friends they can't hide from my weaponized autism. Unlike you people I can easily find a dox and I will dig up each and every last embarrassing thing you've done in the pass. Look forward to it.

>>108059502
>chromium aka "glow nigger spyware"
The company that makes it is literally call Alphabet LMAO

>>108058741
>doesn't accept discussion about Gentoo politics
Political discussion should be looked down upon on /g/, because it lets you live in your own alternative reality without caring about technical facts.
Doesn't help either that he fills his "exposé" with deranged conspiracy theories, he has no journalistic integrity at all, twitter-tier.
>wants everyone to just use systemd on gentoo
This is false, I've said in the past that I don't care which init you use, I have even helped both in the near and fast past anons setup Gentoo without systemd or its components.
I reserve the right to defend my preference against baseless attacks, which are almost never based on technical merit but always on politics.

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>>108058830
>your little group of friends
This only exists inside your mind.
>This thread isn't about systemd
It obviously is.
>things you obviously dislike
>You have every other thread on this board
Most threads on nu/g/ sucks, these are topics I like a lot actually (although the part I like is related to the hacking and technical aspects to be precise), so since you have no right to tell I can't post here you'll have to endure my posts.
You may also go to the BSD general if you want a hugbox, I don't post there.
>>108059196
>A stopped job is running. Can't even reboot.
This has been discussed before, it's the units and your system configuration fault not the init fault, you can also configure the timeout to a lower value if you care about worst case scenario speed more than safety and correctness.
>Gentoo with highly modified ebuilds and custom overlays that used to function just fine with the default profiles before the project was taken over by IBM employees and glow niggers
This is completely false, there is basically no difference than before (when eudev and elogind projects were developd) and now they are basically the same thing, it has also been proven in this chain of threads that you can have a Gentoo system without these systemd-related components at all, you must have seen the posts yet you completely ignore them because they don't fit your "gentoo bad" narrative.
>>108059447
>OpenRC profile loading almost the entire systemd repo by default now
See above, it's basically same shit as before with different package names and not a real dependency either as you can configure a system with openrc profile without those components.
>>108059251
>You'll be forced to hunt down custom overlays
What overlays?
Not that there is anything wrong with that, Portage overlays are one of the things that makes Gentoo truly open.

>>108059593
>without caring about technical facts.
Over 1,000,000 lines of code in PID1
>deranged conspiracy theories
refute them (pro-tip: you can't)
>no journalistic integrity at all
I'm published. I'm guessing you're not.
>This is false, I've said in the past that I don't care which init you use, I have even helped both in the near and fast past anons setup Gentoo without systemd or its components.
Press to doubt
>I reserve the right to defend my preference against baseless attacks
faggot
>which are almost never based on technical merit but always on politics.
Closed WONTFIX. Username 0day grants root by design. What's your use case for usernames starting with a number not granting root?

>>108059619
You aren't fooling anyone.
>See above, it's basically same shit as before with different package names and not a real dependency either as you can configure a system with openrc profile without those components.
Just make your own overlay. Us breaking 20 years of how the distro worked for this one piece of software is no big deal. You should just accept it.
>Portage overlays are one of the things that makes Gentoo truly open.
Now he cares about the system being open. Sounds legit.

You aren't going to stop me digging up all the dirt on your friends on the council. Tell them they have about 48 hours to purge everything from social media.

See you on Friday.

>>108059517
>Reading has never been your strong suit.
I asked you several times if it was possible to compile Chromium on OpenBSD without the patches, that are clearly not just for pledge and unveil as made obvious by the comments of the maintainer for Chromiun on OpenBSD. It's not.
>even though you're here asking why patches exist in the port for the makefile. I 100% believe you.
I didn't ask why they exist... I know the reason. Chromium does not support OpenBSD.
>Tell your friends they can't hide from my weaponized autism. Unlike you people I can easily find a dox and I will dig up each and every last embarrassing thing you've done in the pass. Look forward to it.
Okay

>>108059593
Whole lot of nothing in your post, politics is essential to /g/ when free software projects are run by either benevolent dictators or by some democratic council. You can pretend only "technical merit" matters at all but that's only in wonderland. If the gentoo council is filled with not just trannies but also corporate backers from Google and Red Hat - the former which has a clear interest in Gentoo as it forms the base of ChromeOS, and the latter which is observed putting their nose in every relevant distro, first seen I think in Debian as Poettering was personally trying to convince the project to use systemd - should regular users not be worried? Google objectively does not care for Gentoo as a desktop, Red Hat does insofar as it is the way they want it to be (running their software alone), which for a for-profit can't be a good thing, that kind of thing is responsible for most of Windows' issues. It's something that I have been noticing for years that Gentoo is slowly moving toward more systemd defaults, including systemd itself as the default init, and it likely only isn't yet due to the nature of the project (both that legacy gentoo favoured freedom of choice, and that the openrc profile is just the systemd profile without the systemd init system core)

I'll see myself leaving Gentoo eventually, probably for FreeBSD, something which you weirdly don't like seeing people do and attack anti-systemd projects without offering alternatives at every chance you get.

OpenBSD sucks
Linux sucks
MacOS sucks
Windows sucks
GentooFUDposter schizo sucks
This thread sucks
Haiku rocks

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>Artix
>dinit
>xfce
home

>>108059788
Helo neko the xfceshill
SQUEEEAKKKKKK
>with systemd-boot

>>108059814
systemd-boot is fine because it wasn't developed by Poettering

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>>108059732
What's the problem with Google and Red Hat? You know that these companies control the development of Linux, right? Linux has never been hostile to them; the GNU project is, but Linux is not part of it, although they used to be very close due to the GNU project's contributions to Linux, such as coreutils, glibc, and gcc, but that is no longer the case due to cultural change; Linus's objections to GPLv3, for example. Alpine Linux has shown that Linux no longer needs GNU. The fact is that it doesn't matter which distribution you use; they all share the same base built by companies you don't trust. And that will never change.
>Wanna get HRT?

>>108059938
Now read the last paragraph of my post

>>108054365
the only thing keeping me away from bsd is atrocious trackpad support.

tap to click
doube tap to right click
double drag to scroll
triple drag to move windows/select text.

unemployed codemonkeys, your task is laid out.
do something useful for once.

>>108059954
What I said wasn't specifically for you, but also for others who are disappointed with Gentoo.
FreeBSD is nice. Ports (inspired Portage), jails, OSS, ZFS, DTrace, bhyve. It has shit security thighs.

>>108059517
>Tell your friends they can't hide from my weaponized autism. Unlike you people I can easily find a dox and I will dig up each and every last embarrassing thing you've done in the pass. Look forward to it.

do it nigger

>>108058703
>It's a contrarian meme distro if its raison d'être is being anti-systemd, meanwhile void, alpine and gentoo all have their own visions and at the same time offer alternative inits, those are real distros.
>It's kind of like anti-fascists defining themselves as "against fascism", where you define yourself with a negation you are using slave moralilty, that alone makes me doubt of a project.
If thats the case, then does this mean any technology that goes against the mainstream way of doing things be considered a meme. Hell one could argue linux desktop as a whole is a contrarian protest meme against microsoft and mac. Guess you should delete your linux meme OS and stop protesting against the le real operating systems. You better start using real subscription based clouds/internet services instead of your protest meme FOSS bullshit right?
See how that argument is total horse shit?
Theres a bunch of privacy tools that are created because theyre anti-surveillance capitalism, should we stop using these kind of tools because "were using slave morality" or whatever the fuck youre babbling about

Glowniggers seethe when you steganographically embed your OS into Ubuntu.
https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Setting_up_a_laptop

>>108059636
>You aren't going to stop me digging up all the dirt on your friends on the council. Tell them they have about 48 hours to purge everything from social media.
>
>See you on Friday.
i'm excited
don't chicken out

>>108060006
Even so, we should be against Linus for allowing corporations to just take over Linux, something the GPL was meant to prevent. I recall /g/ used to be more pro-GNU and anti-proprietary, but that's changed very quickly ever since more Windows refugees arrived. In general FOSS has fallen in popularity, being taken over by arguably controlled opposition known as "open source".

I am not moving to BSD because of GNU and its licenses, I am moving because I once was a Windows user, and I watched Microsoft ever gradually become more anti-user, peaking in its sentiment every new release and throwing more and more people under the bus. I consciously picked not Linux, but Free Software, for this reason, of which GNU/Linux happened to be the best of at the time. After many years I think now that Linux is a failure, with Windows killing itself it's inevitable that Linux skins its rotten corpse and wears its face, with more Windows refugees than ever swimming over and praising "open source" and "Linux" instead of Free Software and GNU; completely oblivious that all they did was trade Microsoft for IBM, Google, and... Microsoft. But they won't care, because with more and more refugees they get more and more software compatibility, and it's going to be great for them for years to come, until it isn't anymore, for the exact same reasons as Windows.
I've seen this whole cycle play out multiple times, not just in OS but everywhere else as well, so I'm jumping ship before it becomes my problem, and hopefully convince people - not to give up - but to fight against it, because there are ways, people just forget history often.

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>>108058186
Devuan works exactly like Debian for me, minus the systemd part, I've been using Debian for 5 years, and using Devuan now for the past 4 or 5 months and I'm pretty happy with it.
>>108059369
>Also it inherits Debians absolutely retarded precompiled binary options
Besides your cherrypicked example (firefox), are there any other things with bad compile options? It's not a problem for me because I can compile and build my own packages on Debian/Devuan when I want to, I've compiled IceCat for instance, I didn't check what build options are available and just went with the defaults, am I missing any important build options?

>>108060345
Ah whatever, meant to reply to >>108058065

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>>108054365
cuck license

>>108060345
-O3 -march=native -flto=thin

>>108060405
test

>>108060401
>-flto=thin
What does this do?

>>108060405
no testing in my thread, please

>>108059624
>Over 1,000,000 lines of code in PID1
We talked about this already, this claim is misleading because it includes all kinds of optional components like resolved, networkd, timesyncd, etc, etc, which you don't have to install, plus it contains udev, documentation and tests. The actual PID1 binary is a fraction of that. Again lines of code is not a good metric for software complexity particularly on monorepos of big modular projects.
>Username 0day grants root by design
I actually disagree with Poettering here because it's good software design to fail hard on a parsing error rather than silently falling back to root. The core of the parsing ambiguity is that in UNIX users can be referred to by both ID and name systemd tries to parse "0day" as a numeric UID first, fails, then falls back to default (root). However, it's very much an edge case that requires root access to exploit in the first place. If you have to rely on this case as your argument, you must be pretty desperate.

>>108059636
>See above, it's basically same shit as before with different package names and not a real dependency either as you can configure a system with openrc profile without those components.
>Just make your own overlay. Us breaking 20 years of how the distro worked for this one piece of software is no big deal. You should just accept it.
I don't know what overlay you mean, I'm going to assume you mean for eudev.
First: eudev is not that different from udev at all, it's the same project but forked. "B-but it's part of systemd and the package has systemd in the name now!" this is irrelevant. In the end you'll be using mostly the same code.
Second: as I've said before, you can configure an OpenRC system without udev/eudev entirely by using static /dev and managing permissions manually. You can also drop elogind if you handle session management yourself. I should really write some guides where I describe exactly how to do all of this so you cannot ignore this anymore.
>Now he cares about the system being open
Always did, unlike you I don't have an agenda.
>You aren't going to stop me digging up all the dirt on your friends on the council
I don't have any friends in the council, go ahead I haven't forgot about your promise to write an essay about this, knowing you it will be full of schizo conspiracy theory and unprovable accusations and will have zero credibility, you're free to actually surprise me though.

>>108060117
>Guess you should delete your linux meme OS and stop protesting against the le real operating systems. You better start using real subscription based clouds/internet services instead of your protest meme FOSS bullshit right?
Incredibly disingenuous hyperbole, all things I never said and don't believe, you also don't really understand the core of my argument and what slave morality is.
My point is that a project or endeavor that defines itself primarily as a negation of something else lacks a positive vision (this is in general the big flaw of contrarianism). It's about the difference between a constructive and destructive approach. Void, Alpine, and Gentoo all have their own visions and philosophies that happen to include alternative inits they're not defined by opposition to systemd.
>>108059732
>something which you weirdly don't like seeing
Indeed seeing /g/ people talking about abandoning gentoo for questionable political reasons makes me kind of sad, it's a sign of the times I guess politics dominates /g/ and I hate it, I admit it.
Compared to the flamewars of old it's a very different kind of arguing too, very anti-intellectual shitflinging at its core.
>>108060326
>contrarianism the post
>noooo thing became popular so now it's le bad!

>>108060801
Incredibly disingenuous.

>>108060326
Due to the aforementioned problems, such as independent development and philosophical differences, Linux would never have been the best foundation for the GNU operating system. It was chosen purely for convenience; GNU Hurd was not yet done, but Linux was already available. GNU and Linux benefited each other; the former had a functional kernel for its operating system and the latter had software. Linus stated that he would not have developed Linux if GNU Hurd had already been functional.
What happened was a distancing between the GNU Project and Linux. The GNU Project did not cover everything; X11, for example. Other communities began to appear. Red Hat was one of them. What if GNU were in Red Hat's position today? I don't know what systemd, Wayland, and PipeWire would be like if they were all developed by GNU.

>My point is that a project or endeavor that defines itself primarily as a negation of something else lacks a positive vision (this is in general the big flaw of contrarianism). It's about the difference between a constructive and destructive approach
Artix's vision is so simple, its just arch without systemd. Thats a positive vision to me, but maybe not to you. And destruction is another form of creation bro. SysD destroyed, so openrc, s6 and dinit could be constructed

>>108057641
At runtime? I didn't know Blender compiled things.

>>108061471
>arch without systemd
Exactly, definition as negation.
And what did Artix and Devuan create? Certainly no package manager, no new inits, no new standards, no new libraries...

>>108062381
Youre still trying to make it sound like a bad thing, which I don't understand. I dont think they ever claimed to make a new package manager, inits, libraries etc or to be all that special. Its for people that want arch without sysd, simple as.

tldr
cunny

>>108054570
>trannies
would

>>108060801
>a project or endeavor that defines itself primarily as a negation of something else lacks a positive vision (this is in general the big flaw of contrarianism).
sounds hegelian, their hate (towards systemd) carried they all along therefore they can never be or create good, unlike the independent projects (gentoo, debian) that have been carried all along with nobler intentions.

>>108055653
>Which means your config files can be sane and in one place.
Cannot be overstated. I hate how ad hoc linux distros are when it comes to this.