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How do I cope knowing that the best logo ever is ruined by a retarded ideology?
Nothing comes even close to the swastika. It makes me depressed to the point of giving up logos completely.
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>>458255
>best logo ever
>Nothing comes even close
For the eighteen millionth time: if the symbology you choose as representative of your entity, ideology, etc. is already ubiquitous and so commonplace that there are literally hundreds of wildly disparate meanings attached to it across many millenia of its existence, it is an objectively poor choice for a logo.
Ironically this applies to both the Nazi swastika and the LGBTQ rainbow.
The ultimate irony is that the Nazi swastika was a very slight and MEANINGLESS *redesign* of the ancient symbol, the type of thing that causes wannabe art authorities on gd lose their minds when a corporation does it.
Hitler was a lackluster artist but even worse at graphic design and could only steal existing ideas, tweak them slightly and then call them "his". Like so many corporate versions of the same process it was all used to sell empty bullshit to morons and everyone else rejected it- so much so that even maintaining and protecting the original meanings/use was seen as less important than repudiating the symbol for that association...
which is another hint that the symbol wasn't that important or valuable or strong to begin with and is just a simple geometric doodle that literal cave men invented.
If any of this symbology was valuable or important or powerful (and if Nazis and/ or activist queers had any balls) each of these groups would simply appropriate the respective symbols as a display of cunning and power and reap the benefits.
Instead, both have become so toxic by association that even retards who think super generic symbols make the best logos are mostly smart enough to avoid them. And in this case, even the rainbow is less toxic and still used by legacy brands, so Nazis lose again.
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Idk this one goes pretty hard too and it's not racist
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>>458339
LOFL, I guess you at least deserve some credit for introducing another meaningless buzzword/phrase to describe some alleged quality that can't be quantified
>visual power
Yes, SO much "visual power" that the two most common associations drawn when viewing it are "war/genocide" and "peace/good luck"...and people regularly guess the intended meaning wrong when they see one, or anything that even vaguely resembles one...
>muh best logo EVAR!
https://www.northjersey.com/story/life/community/2016/09/16/symbol-of- luck-mistaken-for-nazi-emblem-in-cl ifton/93004726/
https://www.12news.com/video/news/local/arizona/native-american-symbol -confused-with-swastika/75-2693540
https://7news.com.au/news/religion-and-belief/hindu-symbol-defaced-by- delivery-man-after-being-mistaken-f or-nazi-swastika-c-529084.amp
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>>458339
Even just the *word* without the symbol triggers unintended, unwanted and unfavorable connections that have nothing to do with historical context-
>Swastika Trail, near Puslinch Lake in central southwestern Ontario, was named in the 1920s.
>(Randy)Guzar, who has lived on the road for the past 18 years, said he associates the swastika with the bigotry and genocide of the Nazis.
>“He does not want to be linked with the symbol, and he says that when he presents his driver’s licence or health card, he is routinely asked if he is a white supremacist or a neo-Nazi,” court said in its decision.
This Karen doesn't give a shit about the history of the street he moved to OR the larger history of the symbol OR even the fact that there's dozens of types of symbols that are swastikas and bear little resemblance to the Nazi one...he actually went to court in part because he was butthurt that people made that history known before people voted on a name change-
>Among other things, Guzar objected to how the cottagers association held its vote, including distributing a pamphlet about the positive history of the swastika before the Nazis used it.
It's literally just a variation on a cross symbol, one of the oldest, dirt simplest and most ubiquitous symbols known to man.
As a visual mark of differentiation or distinction it is objectively shitty on that count alone, especially when you rotate it to an X shape...a shape not just used by everybody to mean practically anything, it's also so lacking in innate meaning that it is also used to symbolize nothing, erasure...or AN UNKNOWN QUANTITY... which is the exact opposite of what a logo is supposed to convey.
Just adding hook/serif- like additions doesn't really fix that, and even before Nazism it was already so popular AS A LOGO that it was useless for determining who actually made the product or what the symbol was supposed to mean.
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>Be a rancher
>need to mark your cattle
>choose an ancient, generic mark
>brand cattle
>le best logo ever! .exe
>get mogged by picrel brand overnight
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The original lazy clip art logo
>No, we're SwastiCo, you're thinking of SwastiCon or maybe their subsidiary Swastique...
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>>458255
yeah i was pretty sad about the star of david too anon but at least the sun wheel is still cool.
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>>458255
Use the direction of the branches as a frame instead
Picrel is the best logo in the history of the universe
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>>458255
>How do I cope knowing that the best logo ever is ruined by a retarded ideology?
>Nothing comes even close to the swastika.
*ahem*
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>>458587
Not only
>Better constructed
>Better conceptualized
>Has actual thought and meaning behind it
But
>Represents a technology made to connect people
>Which was developed by Nords
>And named after a Nordic king
So it's whiter than Hitler's in every conceivable way.
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Any fyflot fans here?
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>>458255
There's etnocacerismo it's like nazism except it's Incan nationalism
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>>458255
Give it another generation or two. The last holocaust survivors are dying off and without people who were actually there to tell us "never forget" the Nazis will be as relevant to us as the Mongols or Ottomans and they symbol will come back.
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>>458255
SS goes way harder
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>>458255
Retarded ideology, huh.
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>>458255
Nazism is actually 10 times deeper than whatever slop variant of libtardism you believe in.
Nazis didn't jusy randomly have all the coolest visuals.
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rate my nation
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>>458255
88 nigga
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oh, a wane be nazi
on 4chan of all places?
must be a bot
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>>458255
>accidentally go to /gd/ when i meant to go to /g/
>might as well check out this board that i never visit
>first thing i see when i scroll down a little
never change 4chan
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>>458255
>How do I cope knowing that the best logo ever is ruined by a retarded ideology?
>Nothing comes even close to the swastika. It makes me depressed to the point of giving up logos completely.
you stop being a retarded nigger
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>>460335
> Nazism is literally coming back
> Far-right ideologies are now 100% mainstream and not frowned upon
> More and more countries are electing far-right presidents
> "the world is becoming more progressive day by day"
lol
lmao even
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>>458255
Check what I made yesterday
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I make them all the time, there’s always news ways
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This was hitters sketch
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I like this implication of picrel
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Which one is it?
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>>458267
>Hitler was a lackluster artist
Not true. He was good, not great or anything but nowhere near as bad as retards always claim. And to prove you’re a retard:
>but even worse at graphic design and could only steal existing ideas,
He didn’t “design” or pick the swastika for the party, retard.
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>>458255
this one slaps
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>>458255
Just flip it and you’re good.
Western onions golems need to look up and realize it’s just the Big Dipper circulating Polaris.
Or maybe there’s a group of people that makes a hobby out of deracinating and deleting their neighb- I mean the competition.
Nah.
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>>458267
>For the eighteen millionth time: if the symbology you choose as representative of your entity, ideology, etc. is already ubiquitous and so commonplace that there are literally hundreds of wildly disparate meanings attached to it across many millenia of its existence, it is an objectively poor choice for a logo.
Shit take, literally pulled that out of your ass
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>>458255
This is dumb. This is millenias old, predates Buddha, and all of Hinduism.
Literally found in archaeological sites.
There are HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS in India and SE Asia who use and revere this symbol who cannot spell Hitler or know what the Nazi party was.
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>>460676
OP has no "point" other than trying to be a provocative /pol/tard troll.
As has already been stated and backed up by citations repeatedly, the things described by the anon you are responding to are precisely why its a shitty logo that even without any Nazi connection could never even be register-able as a trademarked symbol or trade dress...it is TOO COMMON AND GENERIC-
>The Seabrook test requires that packaging trade dress meet four elements to be inherently distinctive: (1) the design or shape should not be a common, basic shape or design; (2) it should be unique or unusual in a particular field; (3) it should not be a mere refinement of a commonly-adopted and well-known form of ornamentation for a particular class of goods or services which consumers would view as mere ornamentation; (4) it should create a separate commercial impression apart from any accompanying words
>The Abercrombie test for trademark strength serves a crucial purpose in trademark law. It helps courts and the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) determine the inherent strength of a mark and the level of protection it deserves. The underlying principle is that the more distinctive a mark is, the more likely it is to serve as a unique identifier of the source of goods or services.
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>>460678
I don't get it.
the swastika *is* inherently distinctive in the case of the nazis even when it is a "basic" shape(?).
just like the google G.
>basic. AND distinctive.
or the mastercard logo. mitsubishi. target. converse...
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>>460679
>I don't get it
Agreed
>the swastika *is* inherently distinctive in the case of the nazis even when it is a "basic" shape(?).
If any claimed distinction is dependent on the user's association with a mark that existed prior to that user's adoption, then by definition it is not intently distinctive.
What you are describing is "acquired distinctiveness" AKA "secondary meaning" and is far more limited in scope..."Apple" used to sell that brand's electronics is a protected mark but people can still use the term to sell other things that won't be confused for the computer company's products.
Totally different from a made up name like Xerox or ExxonMobil that never meant anything else.
>Non-distinctive marks, which include descriptors, personal names, geographic terms, laudatory phrases, slogans, trade dress, and even certain colors, face a tougher path to secondary meaning. These marks inherently lack the immediate capability to indicate the source of a product or service.
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Ruined by Gods truth? The swastika is a representation of the eternal nature of God and of the endless struggle of life. How is this bad, and how is National Socialism bad?
I fly the swastika daily without giving a fuck, God Himself is on my side so what would I have to fear? An attack from some bum? That's why I'm always armed.....
stop being a pussy and be faithful to God
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>>460755
The original isn't from the indians or persions. The oldest swastikas in the historical record are of caucasian origin, and 65+% of all swastikas ever found in the archaelogical record are of European origin.
Everywhere the symbol appears, there is caucasian admixture in the populations, if not outright being white. This was the cross before the cross, the symbol of our race before Christ.
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>>460746
It has inherent distinctiveness. Do any of the bums in this thread even know where the symbol comes from? If you did, you would understand its connections to my people.
The symbol is derived from the constellation Ursa Minor. When traced with a line, it forms one wing of the swastika. When a 24hour day is sliced into four quadrants, it becomes the swastika we all know and should love.
This is why it has direct associations with my volk, because the intellectual requirements to even look up at the sky and consider constellations in an abstract way requires brainpower/creativity the negroid people/asiatics do not have.
And when you slice it into even more quadrants? You get the black sun, which you probably could tell has the same wings as the swastika.... it's honestly sad to think there are guys on here debating the mystical origins of my symbol which is already widely known by my people; kinda sad...
As for the meaning of the symbol, it's fairly simple. We can look to the past for more info, particularly with the Aryan "Tyrswagn" / "Torskall". An eternally spinning wheel, centered upon the vertical axis(lol) of our sky
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>>460770
>It has inherent distinctiveness
LOFL, if it did absolutely none of your endless blather about meaning and origin would matter, exactly the same way picrel's origins and meaning have ZERO bearing on its quality as a brand ID symbol.
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Swallow Sidecar Co. You'll know them as Jaguar.
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>>458255
Nazism is a stupid ideology that was unable to develop its own symbols; it resorted to appropriating the ancient symbolism of other cultures.
Image of pre-Hispanic Mexico, corresponding to page 73 of the Vaticanus Codex 3773
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>>458255
i think its peak design myself
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Europe conflict
>national socialist = national socials = socials
>communists = communes / communities
It's like you need a group with a special interest... oh right those are special interest groups. Bernie Bros went against those, but it's partly because they decided to focus on corporate-ism rather than social-ism... groups need commons, don't they?
>It's just family
Nation of states. State as a... union of families?
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It's a variation on the sun symbol.
The Aztecs originated in the southwest of the United States.
The Hopi call him Tawa. In Algonquian mythology, the thunderbird controls the upper world while the underworld is governed by the underwater panther or Great Horned Serpent. They are messengers of the Great Sun himself.[
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