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Can we please have a thread discussing heretical Jewish sects? Everyone wants to talk about the Christian heresies but nobody will talk about the Jewish ones. We have so many, from the Karaites to the Magarites and the Samaritans, from the Sadducees to the Nasoræans and Hemerobaptists, from the Sabbateans to the Frankists, and even now with groups like Neturei Karta and Chabad Messianists.

Pic rel are the Crimean Karaites btw and they're even more heretical than regular Karaites.
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>>18324489
>the Karaites

The Karaites disbelieve the Talmud, Maimonides of Cordoba commanded they be slaughtered and their children kidnapped, they were genocided in Andalusian Spain, and Sir Francis Burton said they were the only sect never accused of ritual (child?) abuse and sacrifice.

Karaites are alright in my book though I wish they'd calculate the Weeks of Daniel like the talmudists forbid and realize who the Messiah is.
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>>18324519
It's not historically uncommon for the Karaites to see Jesus as a Tzadik and I do believe the Crimean Karaites do consider him a prophet (alongside Muhammad).
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>>18324489
Messianic Judaism.
>Messianic Judaism is a syncretic[1] Protestant Christian religious sect that incorporates elements of Jewish practice. It considers itself to be a form of Judaism but is generally considered to be a form of Christianity,[2][3] including by all mainstream Jewish religious movements. Its roots are in Christian missionary activity aimed at Jews in the 19th and 20th centuries, particularly in North America.
>Messianic Jews believe that Jesus was the Messiah and a divine being in the form of God the Son (a member of the Trinity), some of the most defining distinctions between Christianity and Judaism. Messianic Judaism is also generally considered a Protestant Christian sect by scholars and other Christian groups.[4][5][6]
>It emerged in the United States between the 1960s and 1970s from the earlier Hebrew Christian movement,[7][8] and was most prominently propelled through the non-profit organization Jews for Jesus founded in 1973 by Martin "Moishe" Rosen, an American minister in the Conservative Baptist Association.[9][10]
>Messianic Jews adhere to conventional Christian doctrine, including the concept of salvation by believing in Jesus (referred to by the Hebrew name Yeshua among adherents) as the Jewish Messiah and humanity's redeemer, and in the spiritual authority of the Bible (including the Hebrew Bible and New Testament).[11][12][13]
>In Hebrew, Messianics tend to identify themselves with the terms maaminim (מאמינים, lit.'believers') and yehudim (יְהוּדִים, lit.'Jews') in opposition to being identified as notzrim (נוצרים, lit.'Christians').[a][14] Jewish organizations inside and outside of Israel reject this framing. The Supreme Court of Israel declared Messianic Judaism a Christian sect for purposes of the Law of Return.[15][16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism
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>>18324553
Doesn't count. This is a sect of Christianity and their theology is basically Baptist. They just syncretized aspects of Rabbinic Judaism with Baptist Protestant Christianity. Christianity has had its share of Judaizing sects this isn't particularly unique in Christianity.
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>>18324599

They've convinced almost half of younger evangelicals to embrace the Arian heresy and cheer baby-shooting Israel. Most of the Protestant denominations in America have been subverted. I'm so tired.
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>>18324489
Does this count? Always found it very interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstructionist_Judaism

Judaism that is borderline atheistic but at the same time very traditionalist.
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>>18324489
>heretical Jewish sects?
zionists are the worst offenders, having forsaken their exile under the commandments, their wait for salvation from a messiah, to instead found a nation and seek dominance over the earth. Absolutely and utterly contrary to the foundations of Judaism.

...but more generally, all Talmudic Jew religion is heresy, because they do not keep the commands, making no atonement through sacrifices to the house of God, having no temple. They are hideously repugnant in the eyes of God, absolutely without holiness and damned by the righteous.
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>>18324489
Does Ladv Tahof count or are they too borderline?
>>18324637
Is this what the Esoterica guy follows?
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>>18324625
Judeochristian """crusader""" biker thugs went to a genocide site to murder starving children like her
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>>18324666
Lev Tahor counts yes.
>>18324637
Hmmm possibly.
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>>18324639
Zionism is inherently judeochristian and overwhelmingly supported by judeochristians
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>>18324725
the support of any jew is antithetical to Christianity. Jews are in rebellion against the throne of heaven, against the Lord of heaven, and as traitors in rebellion they can not be supported without betraying God.

What you see is ignorant fools, fools who do not even know what christianity is but still claim that is what they are while doing all in opposition to the will of the father.
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>>18324489
I'm pretty sure the Crimean Karaites (ironically not confined to just Crimea, Poland-Lithuania had a sizeable community) incrementally shifted their religion from Judaism towards something else because of Tsarist oppression of actual Jews. They are barely even jewish, atp.
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>>18324639
The vast majority of polling shows an overwhelming majority of Jews across the world support Zionism and the State of Israel. 92% of Jews globally support Israel as an explicitly Jewish state and 93% of Jews say that the State of Israel is the core of the Jewish faith. Not to mention that 99% of synagogues on Earth raise money and lobby for Israel.
“Antizionist Jews” are an insanely tiny fringe minority, they are no more relevant than Libertarians are.
>“Noooo, there’s a version of Judaism practiced by only cultural Jews that totally support Palestine.”
Every fucking time. It's the same with 2010s "moderate Islam.”
>“Noooo, there’s a version of Islam where they completely ignore all Islamic values and texts and claim they are the real Islam while pushing modern values that completely contradict what Muhammed preached, that's the true Islam.”
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>>18324733
You can tell the /pol/tard who made this image doesn’t even follow Christianity since they treat both Martin Luther and a Pope as equally authoritative.
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>>18324666

Those digits...

Lev Tahor makes three-year-old girls wear a Jewish burkha because that's when the Talmud says they get sexy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQni-pew6X4
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>>18324692

Dude I am Christian I'm the one who argues with you. I just think sweet little Hind being killed is one of the worst crimes I've seen in my life. I can't convince myself it was totally accidental.
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>>18324489
I got into an argument with some Karaite freak on /his/ a couple years ago, who had some very not nice things to say about talmudic jews.
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>>18324637
There is a reconstructionist temple in my city, a suburb of NYC with 60k people that has 5 separate jewish temples, each of separate denominations. (Orthodox, modern orthodox, reconstructionist, reform, and conservative)

I've been shabbat services at the reconstructionist temple a few times. The prayers are mostly in English but there was much more singing than I was expecting, and if you're attending one of their services you HAVE to sing. They don't like passivity, if you are there you must participate in the community.

Here is a short video from a reconstructionist rabbi that I think does a good job of explaining what they're about and how they view Judaism as cultural first, and the torah as the history of the Jewish people's relationship with and understanding of God, which is why it is acceptable to be a reconstructionist and not have faith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhCUGg6AFgE
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>>18324825
I'm not the schizo you replied to, but to contextualize those numbers, I would just point out that being a zionist means you support the existence of a jewish state, no more no less. The question of are you a zionist does not reach any further questions about what does the jewish state look like, what are its values, how should it be treating non-jewish citizens, or non-citizen subjects, for example.
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>>18324867

Share with us.
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>>18324881
hahahaha
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>>18324489
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okbarites

>Meshwi differed in many points from both the Karaite and Rabbinic Judaism, especially in the area of calendation.[6] He apparently fixed a solar thirty-day solar month, and ruled that days were to be counted from morning to morning as opposed to sunset to sunset.[5] Presumably because Yom Kippur is termed "Sabbath of Sabbaths" in the Tanakh, he affirmed that that holiday must always occur on a Shabbat, which would make the Passover fall on Thursday.

>He also ordered his followers to turn to the West in praying, instead of in the direction of the Temple. According to Meshwi, it was not allowable to offer sacrifices in the Temple on Shabbat. Contrary to normative halakha, Meshwi is said to have allowed his followers to eat traditionally prohibited animal fats.[7]

Thoroughly underwhelming.
>>18324864
They also kidnap and beat up children. Which is why they keep having to hop between impoverished third world countries every so often. They go to the weirdest fucking places, they were in Kurdistan for a while.
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>Jewish
>heresy
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>>18324830
Protestants and Catholics have agreement regarding the subject of Jews, that jews are traitors in rebellion against the throne of heaven. The support of any jew is treason against God.

I will give you this, you are correct that nearly nobody calling themselves a christian today knows what a that means, and that is why they betray God unknowingly.

Something, something, forgive them, they know not what they do.
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I quite like the modern Messianic Jews, if only because israeli polemics against them are even more virulent and vitriolic than those against Muslims or Palestinians. By god, lads, they're galf jew half protestant, why does calling themselves such make them seethe so? "You have no moral right to call yourself a jew". Israel actually has some sneaky backdoor legislation that allows them to be targetted. It's funny.
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>>18325193
But Messianic Judaism is a Christian sect not a Jewish one.
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>>18325935
Rabbi, please go. It's practioners think they're jews and they're jewish born. They're jews, even if your lot hate them.
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>>18326406
>It's practioners think they're jews
So do the Black Hebrew Israelites
And the British before them
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>>18327044
One of these groups started out as jews and continued keeping all the appropriate traditions beyond hating christians. They're as jewish as you are. Keep seething though
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>>18327424
Self identification is objectively shit criteria for Jewish-ness because all sorts of people have claimed to be Jewish who obviously weren't, as per my first post
Anyway, there's already a word for former Jews who accept Jesus of Nazareth as their lord and savior, it's called "Christian". Maybe read literally anything Paul wrote, first, before you post?
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>>18327424
They don't follow the provisions against Idol worship thoughie.
>>18324489
Sabbatai Zevi was a based retard.
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>>18326406
So are those who practice Chrislam both Christians and Muslims? Also pic rel.
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>>18327554
There's a term for your entire argument: no true scotsman. Though maybe 'no true kike' is more appropriate.
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>>18324553
those are american christians.
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>>18326406
>It's
the mystery of "its" vs "it's" remains unresolved in the mind of the american.
>practioners think they're jews
and that suddenly matters now? how about when a man thinks he's a woman?
>and they're jewish born
what does this even mean? same class as dragonborn?
they worship jesus, btw. I was told repeatedly on this board that judaism is centered around rejecting jesus (presumably the same way christianity is centered around rejecting muhammad).

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