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>abolished feudalism, removing all the lands and titles of the nobility
>made military promotions based on enemy heads taken
>organized the population into groups of 10 households, if a person commits the crime and they fail to snitch, all of them were executed, this went beyond the peasantry and nobility were also affected
>state enforced marriage at young age
>family quotas, women must give birth
>agricultural quotas, farmers failing to meet quotas would be enslaved and gifted to farmers who met them
>forced adult brothers to live separate from each other, destroying the clans and forcing nuclear families
What the FUCK was his problem?
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>>18325352
Some of these are good ideas desu
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The bug maker
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>>18325352
Normal power trip, he did it because he could.
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That's a cool statue
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>>18325352
Trying to win a civil war with the underdog faction
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>>18325352
>What the FUCK was his problem?
He did things
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>If in a country there are the following ten evils: rites, music, odes, history, virtue, moral culture, filial piety, brotherly duty, integrity and sophistry, the ruler cannot make the people fight and dismemberment is inevitable; and this brings extinction in its train.
>If the country has not these ten things and the ruler can make the people fight, he will be so prosperous that he will attain supremacy.
>A country where the virtuous govern the wicked, will suffer from disorder, so that it will be dismembered; but a country where the wicked govern the virtuous, will be orderly, so that it will become strong.
>If penalties are made heavy and rewards light, the ruler loves his people and they will die for him; but if rewards are made heavy and penalties light, the ruler does not love his people, nor will they die for him.
>A country that has no strength and that practices knowledge and cleverness, will certainly perish; but a fearful people, stimulated by penalties, will become brave, and a brave people, encouraged by rewards, will fight to the death.
>If the people are brave, they should be rewarded with what they desire; if they are timorous, they should be put to death in a manner they hate. In this way timorous people, being incited by punishments, will become brave; and the brave, being encouraged by rewards, will fight to the death.
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>conquers the other 6
Based
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>collapses his state
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>Study Chinese history
>Discover that every century in history has been the Chinese century besides the 1800s and 1900s

This makes it much easier to cope with the fall of the west.
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>>18325352
>if a person commits the crime and they fail to snitch, all of them were executed
How does that even work? If Anon 1 does a crime and manages to hide it from Anon 2 - 10, then those 9 Anons had no means to tell the authorities about the crime of Anon 1.
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>>18326700
Then all anons 9-10 are executed. Also its not 10 people, its 10 households. Its entire clans basically.
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>>18326749
Seems rather stupid. Why not kill Shang Yang instead because his policies and institutions failed to prevent the crime in the first place?
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>>18326762
Because Shang Yang had an army and the peasants didn't. And because if you don't commit crime and your land is productive and you met quotas, you are gifted slaves.
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>>18326762
Technically he did not end feudalism as OP says, merely curbed the power of regional magnates. He also banished the heir, the future King Huiwen, for releasing pigs in the palace in accordance with his principle of punishing all ranks equally and mutilated his tutors for not instructing the boy correctly. In addition to the brutality, the banishment would have been construed as him attempting to position himself as the de facto successor.

This inadvertently benefited Huiwen, since the nobles now lent him their support against Shang Yang. Once crowned he promptly executed Shang Yang under pressure from the nobles, however Huiwen in turn punished the nobles for conspiring against Shang Yang and maintained the law code.

Its utility is demonstrated by Qin state's cubic system of weights and measurements bearing Shang Yang's name and Qin's apparent success in raising and supplying armies and rapidly expanding its territory under Huiwen, who would reputedly honor Shang Yang's grave throughout his life.
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>>18325352
Legalism was basically chuds first meltdown. It actually worked though unlike when whites do it.
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>>18325964
Wang Mang personally took a dump on his grave, probably.
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>>18326806
Yeah I get that this is just another case of one big shot applying his preferred system onto a state with himself and his cronies being exempt from it. There is nothing new under the sun. I was just applying the logic of "punishment for collective failure" to the head of said collective.
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>>18326857
>promptly executed Shang Yang under pressure from the nobles
He fucking exterminated his clan you mean
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>>18326620
You really think so? The way I see it, China was going backwards since at least late Ming. The seeds of XIX century crisis were sown much earlier and Qing had a lot of issues since the very beginning.
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>>18326956
Chinese century ended the moment the Song fell
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>>18328238
Why?
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>>18328250
Because song was some centuries ahead of europe
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>>18328258
And Yuan and Ming weren't?
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>>18325352
>abolished feudalism, removing all the lands and titles of the nobility
Shang Yang got killed because he DIDN'T do that.
https://mangadex.org/chapter/452e130c-ec8b-4a06-bf31-26b551c9bc48
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>>18326876
>Wang Mang
Literally an Isekai'd Chinese Commie from the modern day.

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