>>18325768
>Anglos would look at Welsh and Gaelic scripts
Yes? have you ever seen written Welsh and Irish, they're some lovecraftian shit
llwynddnia wwnyl llunwyn
nGadh ard Ndhabh an

>>18325768
To be fair most descendants of Irish and Welsh don't care about speaking the languages anyway.

>>18325768
Why have English failed to assimilate the Irish and Highlanders when they all speak English. The French eradicated all the cultures in their domain.

>>18325793
>Irish
The national idea of Britain was always based around it being a union of states (even if England and Scotland were the only ones to be thought to matter) So even with a single language and idenity the idea of Irish remained. Also as America became more influential the idea that speaking English meant you were British became less prominent
>Highlanders
Highlanders aren't, and never were, a distinct national identity

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>Siobhan
>"Shuh-vorn"

>>18325793
The French and English way was actually similar. The Alsatian Germans, Walloons, Bretons, Basques, Corsicans and Italians in the south-east retained their linguistic differences far longer than let's say, the average Norman. In the end they were a real minority and the Normans felt fully French. Same applies to the lesser languages of Britain, they diminished out of practicality but still exist because the people who speak them aren't English in any sense of imagination, while the different dialects of English have straightened and homogenised somewhat.

Those people are free to speak Gaylick. They speak English instead. Boo-hoo.

>>18325808
sucks because see-oh-bahn sounds way cooler

>>18325808
On the bright side you've never had the misfortune of meeting somone named Caoimhe

>>18325899
Cow-me?

>>18325901
Key-Vah

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>>18325912
>?

>>18325914
idk, maybe it makes sense after drinking 3 pints of blighted potato moonshine or something

>>18325899

Kimmy?

>>18325786
>llwynddnia wwnyl llunwyn
Welsh uses W as a vowel. That's the main thing that makes it look weird to foreigners.
>nGadh ard Ndhabh an
The way it's spelled represents the structure of the mutations- it makes it clear that the base form of the word is Gadh but it mutates to nGdadh in that context.

>>18325808
>>18325899
>>18325914
>>18325922
Irish spelling is self-consistent, it's just very different from English spelling. It's not as if English spelling is any less confusing to those not used to it.

>>18325786
FPBP
Thank GOD for the Saxons.

>>18326458
>Irish spelling is self-consistent, it's just very different from English spelling. It's not as if English spelling is any less confusing to those not used to it.
Polish spelling is self-consistent it's just very different from English spelling. It's not as if English spelling is any less confusing to those not used to it.

Meanwhile in reality:
W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie.

>>18326617
But every one of those letters or digraphs has a single pronunciation regardless of context. SZ is always a "sh" sound, CZ is always a "ch" sound, etc.

>>18326458
>Irish spelling is self-consistent
The Irish language isn't even consistent, there's like 4 dialects, each of which pronounce these letters differently. They can't even agree on how to spell the name of their country

>>18326672
Within a given dialect it's self-consistent. (And every language has dialects, unless it's only spoken in one village or something.)

>>18326672
If you think that's funny then you should read about Cornish. There are only about a hundred Cornish speakers and yet they had about four competing spelling systems as well as several pronunciation systems. For some legal reason they had to choose a single spelling system in order for the Uk to recognize it, which they did, but they also held exceptions where you could use alternate spellings if you wanted. So really they didn't agree on much. And they still can't decide on a single pronunciation. Cornish nationalism is such a joke honestly.

>>18325793
The English never tried to make them English in the first place. And the only people who tried to get rid of the Scottish Gaelic language was the Scottish government themselves.

>>18325899
Looks cool to be fair

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>>18325912

>>18327706
>There are only about a hundred Cornish speakers
Which are all larpers since the language naturally went extinct in like the 18th century

>>18326617
>W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie.
V Ščebžešynie chžašč bžmi v tžcinie.

>>18326456
They actually used to do the sensible thing and stick diacritics on top of the mutated consonants like human beings. But then English happened and they had to come up with the absolutely odd prefixation, IIRC.

Diacritics are just superior all around. IPA uses them, APN uses them. So do basically all semi-modern scripts be it Vietnamese or Pinyin, Lakota or Mohawk.

>>18325768
No one "obliterated" those tongues, parents at some point decided not to teach their children the language because they didn't see the point.

>>18327731
By that logic everyone who speaks Hebrew today is a larper.

>>18327809
Yes

>>18327768
>They actually used to do the sensible thing and stick diacritics on top of the mutated consonants like human beings.
They used an overdot to represent lenition, but the eclipsis and prosthesis were still spelled with an added letter.
Also, you missed the nasal vowel in your Polish example- ą is /ɔw̃/ or, especially before consonants, /ɔ/ followed by a homorganic nasal. I suppose you could spell it as ã. Or just use the Cyrillic script which is designed for Slavic languages, in which case it would be ѫ.

>>18327818
What about those for whom it's their first and only language?

>>18327820
I don't like them

>>18327839
Fair enough, it's appalling how many of them support their genocidal government. I like the ones who don't okay though.

>>18327819
>Or just use the Cyrillic script which is designed for Slavic languages
Cyrillic was designed for 9th century Bulgarian, not 21st century Polish, anon.
Yers are completely gone. Ě is gone. You need to differentiate 2 kinds of Sh/Š and all sorts of other shit that makes it as appropriate for Polish as it is for Mongolian.

>>18328460
Most of the adaptations I've seen fit fairly well.

>>18328460
>Ě
>Š
Poles or Czechs or whomever presumably invented these non-standard letters to make the Latin alphabet better fit their language and I'm guessing that there already are a number of Cyrillic letters that are peculiar to certain languages like Mongolian.

>>18327808
Usually as a result of actions taken by governments with the intention of causing those languages to no longer be spoken.

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>>18329068
Czech was a dying language in 1800, by 1900 it was a fully developed language of high literature, science and engineering, all whilst at best being tolerated by the Austrian government. The failure of irish, welsh, etc. national revivals, is entirely due to the lethargy of those peoples.

Polish writing is total shit. They accept latin alphabet only because catholic religion.

Just compare:
Polska, Rzeczpospolita Polska (RP) – państwo unitarne[12] w Europie Środkowej[13], położone między Morzem Bałtyckim na północy a Sudetami i Karpatami na południu, w przeważającej części w dorzeczu Wisły i Odry. Od północy Polska graniczy z Rosją (z jej obwodem królewieckim) i Litwą, od wschodu z Białorusią i Ukrainą, od południa ze Słowacją i Czechami, od zachodu z Niemcami[14]. Większość północnej granicy Polski wyznacza wybrzeże Morza Bałtyckiego. Polska Wyłączna Strefa Ekonomiczna na Bałtyku graniczy ze strefami Danii i Szwecji. Granice z Ukrainą, Białorusią i Rosją stanowią równocześnie granicę zewnętrzną NATO, Unii Europejskiej i strefy Schengen.

OR

Пoльcкa, Жeчпocпoлитa Пoльcкa (PП) – пaньcтвo yнитapнэ в Эypoпe Cьpoдкoвэй, пoлoжoнэ мeндзы Moжэм Бaлтыцким нa пyлнoцы a Cyдэтaми и Кapпaтaми нa пoлyдню, в пшeвaжaёнцэй чeньщы в дoжэчy Bиcлы и Oдpы. Oд пyлнoцы Пoльcкa гpaничы з Pocьё (з eй oбвoдэм кpyлeвeцким) и Литвo, oд вcхoдy з Бялopyщё и Укpaинo, oд пoлyдня з Cлoвэцьё и Чeхaми, oд зaхoдy з Heмцaми. Beнкшoщчь пyлнoцнэй гpaницы Пoльcки вызнaчa выбжэжэ Moжa Бaлтыцкeгo. Пoльcкa Bылoнчнa Cтpэфa Экoнoмичнa нa Бaлтыкy гpaничы з cтpэфaми Дaнии и Швэции. Гpaницы з Укpaинo, Бялopyщё и Pocьё cтaнoвё pyвнoчecьнe гpaницe зэвнeнтшнo NATO, Унии Эypoпэйcкeй и cтpэфы Шэнгэн.

t. Russian

At same time, Croatian writing much less reminiscent of Black Speech than Polish.

Hrvatska (službeni naziv: Republika Hrvatska) europska je država smještena na razmeđu srednje, južne i jugoistočne Europe.[3] Na sjeverozapadu graniči sa Slovenijom, Mađarskom na sjeveroistoku, Srbijom na istoku, Bosnom i Hercegovinom i Crnom Gorom na istoku i jugoistoku, a na zapadu s Italijom ima morsku granicu. Kopnena površina iznosi 56561km2, a površina obalnoga mora 31067km2, što Hrvatsku svrstava među srednje velike europske zemlje. Glavni je grad Zagreb koji je političko, kulturno, znanstveno i gospodarsko središte zemlje. Ostala veća urbana središta su Split, Rijeka i Osijek. Tijekom hrvatske povijesti najznačajniji kulturološki utjecaji dolazili su iz srednjoeuropskoga kruga u kontinentalnome dijelu, balkanskoga u dinaridskome dijelu i sredozemnoga kulturnog kruga u priobalnome dijelu

>>18329100
Croatian is a very pretty language, very legible. If i ever want to move somewhere with a sea, it'd be to croatia, northern slavonia even has some of my countrymen from the times of the empire.

t. czech

>>18329079
If Czech was dying then so was Finnish, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Slovak, Slovene, among others.
These were just peasant languages with little or no institutional support that more or less barred you from social advancement if you weren't a bilingual, but they were by no means dying.

>>18327808
yeah no, that's certainly part of the reason they declined but you're ignoring government actions speeding it up, you could get punished for speaking languages other than english back in the day - this is hardly a uniquely British phenomenon either, pretty much every nation state did it in the 19th century and the Chinese still do it today in Tibet.
There's a reason pretty much every government did/does it too, only a fraction of the population will actually take the time to transmit a language not taught in schools purely for heritage reasons without other benefits
>>18327820
I mean it's cool for them the revival was so successful but hebrew is still unambiguously a larp project

>>18329292
How is it a larp to speak the language you acquired from birth?

>>18329086
>Пoльcкa, Жeчпocпoлитa Пoльcкa (PП) – пaньcтвo yнитapнэ в Эypoпe Cьpoдкoвэй, пoлoжoнэ мeндзы Moжэм Бaлтыцким нa пyлнoцы a Cyдэтaми и Кapпaтaми нa пoлyдню, в пшeвaжaёнцэй чeньщы в дoжэчy Bиcлы и Oдpы. Oд пyлнoцы Пoльcкa гpaничы з Pocьё (з eй oбвoдэм кpyлeвeцким) и Литвo, oд вcхoдy з Бялopyщё и Укpaинo, oд пoлyдня з Cлoвэцьё и Чeхaми, oд зaхoдy з Heмцaми. Beнкшoщчь пyлнoцнэй гpaницы Пoльcки вызнaчa выбжэжэ Moжa Бaлтыцкeгo. Пoльcкa Bылoнчнa Cтpэфa Экoнoмичнa нa Бaлтыкy гpaничы з cтpэфaми Дaнии и Швэции. Гpaницы з Укpaинo, Бялopyщё и Pocьё cтaнoвё pyвнoчecьнe гpaницe зэвнeнтшнo NATO, Унии Эypoпэйcкeй и cтpэфы Шэнгэн.

Poliska, Žječpospolita Poliska (RP) - panistvo unitarne v Europje Sirodkovej, položone mjendzii Možem Baltiickim na pulnocii a Sudetami i Karpatami na polunju,...

I mean, that's pretty much a great example showing the defects of cyrillic. Like randomly throwing in vowels everyfucking where or rendering ł [w] as л /l/ and l [l] as ль /li/. Just straight up nonsense. As is the yeri (short i) + i (i) everywhere.
You just can't read cyrillic so you skip over all the extra vowels as if they were diacritics or something... the exact same sort of brain damage that creates Polish orthography. You simply switch endless rows of idiotic z's for endless rows of idiotic ь's.

They write
Englisz
You write
Englisi
A human person would just go
Engliš

>>18329352
>Like randomly throwing in vowels everyfucking where
ь is not a vowel, it's the soft sign, even if it was historically a vowel in OCS.
>or rendering ł [w] as л /l/ and l [l] as ль /li/.
Because they pattern as the hard and soft versions of a consonant.
>You simply switch endless rows of idiotic z's for endless rows of idiotic ь's.
At least the ь indicates a specific phonological feature (palatalization).