>>18327131
If you're judging Rome based on your pic, that it's evil because it conquered others, then you're not even a child yet, you're a toddler.

What is your definition of evil?
The fact it killed people?
Dude all empires do that, that's the nature of imperium.
Besides Rome wasn't even that bad compared to other empires like the assirysans, mongols or Aztec's.

>>18327131
>evil for defending itself with proactive measures
shut up edgelord
Rome did what it had to do. Celts were not likely to be subdued by other means, and the Germani had been a threat since Gaius Marius at the very least. Allowing them to exist beyond the Alps was a mortal threat to the Republic. They could band together and descend into Padania raping and pillaging. And from there it's a few days' march to Rome, which didn't even have the Aurelian Walls at this point and was mostly made of wood

>>18327131
It's okay, Germanics won in the end.

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They were pretty fucking evil.

empire worship is childish, so you are partly correct, but Rome wasn't really uniquely evil in that regard. just general evil, id say

yea, but after you've filtered all the evil shit...you love em again!

>>18327131
Roman conquest were a bloodbath but you shouldn't ignore the upsides. By crushing local warlords and tribal bands Rome established a massive zone of stability where peace, law and trade actually had a chance to thrive for the first time.

>>18327131
I don't even like Rome tthat much outside of being a worthy adversary for my people, but you are a massive faggot and ought to be raped

Empires, countries, nations are just gangs. Might is right. It’s tribal. Old as history. Old as man.

>>18327131
Those numbers are from Caesar's lettets about the Gallic War, so are Caesarian propaganda. The numbers are probably grossly inflated, although it was unquestionably a very shitty time to be a Gaul. It also says a lot about Rome that Caesar would brag about intentionally causing such a bloodbath and be beloved by the common people of Rome, and assassinated by Roman elites because he was too popular.

>>18327131
When the rapists is Chad, the son naturally identifies with his rapist father and the Rapist is simply his ancestor. Notice how the savage Europid celebrates his brutal raping by the Mediteranean Male but bitches and cries and denys any heritage from Arab and Turkish conquerors who did no different from the Romans.

A case most pronounced among the Savage Iberiacs.

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>>18327131
It was their own fault for possibly being vaguely related to people who sacked rome 300 years earlier

>>18327131
They were ruthless bastards but damn they were good at it.

>>18327224
If we brought crucifixion back, the crime rate would drop, o it would drop. People would know the meaning of Law.

>>18327891
Unfortunately, at least in the US the constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.

>>18327891
do you think criminals think this way
>yeah I was going to murder someone, but I might get crucified instead of just sent to prison for a decade, so I will not commit murder today
The vast majority of capital crimes are not planned assassinations, and the existence of brutal capital punishment does not meaningfully deter crime. Additionally, the main point of crucifixion was to visibly put slaves and rebels in their place, not to prevent crime as we think of it.

>>18327902
That is a good thing, it is not unfortunate. Cruel and unusual punishments turn the criminals into folk heroes and victims of an unjust system. While the people the criminal victimized are forgotten.

>>18327912
I meant unfortunately for that person's would-be plans. I agree that if we're being serious it's a good thing.

>>18327131
How is killing Germans and celts evil?

>>18327131
>most evil empire to ever exist
No, not even close. It was bad, all empires are, but Assyria (for instance) was way worse. You could have a good life as a Roman provincial if you kept your head down and didn't rebel, and maybe even get citizenship someday.

>>18327131
Honestly when you think about it most wars of expansion Rome fought were actually defensive wars.
Even the Celts had that precedent with Brennus invasion of Italy, if they hadn't been conquered who knows what else they could have done to the Italian peninsula.
Not to say i defend the atrocities but they were kinda justified from a italic roman perspective.

t. Moloch loving Carthonigger

>>18327186
Could you post your address so I can proactively defend myself from you?

>>18327891
>brought crucifixion back, the crime rate would drop
lol it would only be enforced on the lower caste Goyim

>>18328702
since you asked so politely I will do you one better. let's both meet in a public space with no cameras
are you man enough to proactively defend yourself against me?

I would've crushed so fuckin hard if I was born in Rome

Adulthood is Persia
>In a posthumously published fragment, he deplores a lost historical opportunity: "It was much more fortunate if Persians became masters (Herr) of the Greeks, than the very Romans." (SW, 8/65) In this note Nietzsche reveals, once more, his radical opposition to the Greek metaphysical thought, as developed by Socrates and Plato, which later, by supremacy of the Greek culture inside the Roman Empire, became dominant and then integrated into the other-worldly, 'nihilistic', tenets of Christianity. While, in his view, the dominance of the positive outlooks of the Persians toward worldly life and time would have prevented the prevalence of such a sinister event in human history.

>>18327907
you're completely wrong
America has a revolving door of criminals precisely because it is not tough on crime

Asia does not because they are very tough on crime and places like Singapore use corporal punishment, they have drastically lower rates of crime, it works

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>>18329280
>they have drastically lower rates of crime, it works
Comparing crime rates between countries doesn't make any sense because different countries have different legal standards you moron. Weed is basically legal in America at this point but will get you thrown in prison in Singapore. What an incredibly midwit statement to make and something you no doubt stole from /pol/ schizographs

>>18328202
>You could have a good life as a Roman provincial if you kept your head down and didn't rebel,
rebellions didn't just happen for no reason, they were tax revolts because of extremely greedy and corrupt roman governors who saw provinces as nothing more than piggy banks to be smashed whenever they felt like it. Additionally rape and banditry by Roman soldiers to provincials was commonplace with absolutely no recourse.

>>18329280
In Singapore you would be thrown in prison for calling Mohamed "the pedophile prophet" because it is insulting to a religious group. You are forced by the government to live next to minorities, there are police that literally check the racial composition of neighborhoods and apartment buildings down to individual floors. Nearly all real estate is owned by the government and merely leased out to citizens. And, of course, it is an undemocratic state where you do not get a say in the government and you are not free to criticize the government either.

I think America is a much better country.

>>18327131
Rome was better than what it replaced. The violence, at the time, was a necessary evil. The slavery, at the time, was a necessary evil.

They brought the entire Western World, kicking and screaming into the future.

Without a Rome I suspect the Persians would have steamrolled the entire known Western world in antiquity and most of our civilization would be based in Persian culture. Then around 600AD or so, the Muslims would have steamrolled Europe.

Roman Europe, and then all the mighty Euro cultures afterwards (which were based on Roman culture, even if the Nordics and Germanics would rather not admit it) were able to hold their own and conquer the entire globe working off of the foundations that Rome provided.

But yeah, it would suck to be a Roman slave or a subjugated Gaulish tribe. You wouldn't want to be at the bottom of Rome's highly stratified society.

Modern notions of good and evil are hard to apply to ancient Roman culture. They had different values and priorities.

>>18329430
The Hellenistic world was a time of great innovation and technological advancement. All of that ended when Rome snuffed it out. Can you name one uniquely Roman invention? Sure they were great at refining and scaling up the inventions of others, but they entirely lacked creative genius and only knew how to make a bloated and brutal empire.

>>18329114
>Persia
They were impressive in the early Achaemenid period but fizzled out and abandoned the manly arts for effeminate pleasures
classic tale of ascending the summit in wooden sandals and descending in silken slippers

They allowed medoids to enter Iberia freely and taint our blood forever.
Can never forgive them

>>18329284
>muh bol boogeymang
>frog image
extremely low IQ post and totally irrelevant, go back

>>18329418
disagree, Singapore actually does the job of governance, sounds great

>>18329486
but anon brown people exist? aren't you TERRIFIED that brown people exist? holy shit why don't you just give civic duty and let them form ghettos and 5th pillar subcommunities, isn't that so much better than the TERROR of brown people!?!!?!?!?!!!!!?!?!

lol retards actually think this rhetoric works on anyone Singapore is incredibly based to anyone who isn't a brainless liberal with nothing but buzzwords and cuck porn in their brain

>>18329491
give up*

>>18329437
the Greeks destroyed themselves well before the Romans did, calm your man tits, if anything Roman subjugation is what preserved Hellenic culture

>>18329484
But... Iberia is on the Mediterranean??? Aren't Iberians by definition Mediterranean?

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>>18329418
>/r/atheism shits its pants and cries because it can't tip its fedora and instigate pointless religious strife with impunity
>this completely invalidates high standards of living non existent crime and overwhelming social mobility

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>>18329499
Pre-roman iberians were closer to western europeans than mediterranean populations (still are, to an extent)

Back then, native iberians were very close to what basques are nowadays. In fact, basques are a clean genetic group since the bronze age.

pic related is how iberians looked like before the roman occupation (romans flooded the peninsulae with nafris and levantines)

>>18329501
>you MUST accept my evil pedo cult or you are a tranny!

>>18329505
>omg other world views exist
>this is literally force and just like Hitler
>I'm totally not projecting about being a sexual deviant despite it being completely extraneous to the topic
cult huh? getting real freudian here

>>18327131
I dont get why this discrepancy between idealizing Rome (a genocidal autocracy) on the one hand and condemning modern dictators on the other got so widespread.
Like why is Hadrian an enlightened philosopher but Hitler is a mad tyrant?
If Rome was the founder of "western civilization" then Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, maybe W, were its modern incarnation.

>>18329508
you're the one who brought up trannies out of nowhere

>>18327186
This some
>If we don't genocide them, somebody else will!
ziotard argument
Caesar went to war with the Celts because the Cimbri had made them pay tribute to them during the Cimbrian War, which was a retaliation by northern celts against Rome for annexing Noricum.
genocidal maniacs will always point out their enemies as "our shared degenerate enemies", but will never tell you why those people dislike the genocidal maniacs.

>>18330520
did (you) just call me a jew?
take that back before I whip your ass with my perfectly intact penis
The conquest of Gaul was strategically sound and muh genocide is vastly exaggerated, by Caesar first of all who had an interest in making his legions look like invincible war machines.

>>18330550
>reee, muh dick!
about sums (You) up.

>>18327840
Balkan chuds also do this.

>>18329430
>Then around 600AD or so, the Muslims would have steamrolled Europe.
They only steamrolled anything because the Romans and Persians were both seriously weakened from war with each other. So in this case they probably never become a big deal.

>>18330611
>contributes nothing
>is butthurt
oy gevalt!
btw and totally unrelated, what's (your) take on Titus and Hadrian? Who did it better?