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redpill me on monarchism
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>>18327508
>I'm not just a bootlicker, I'm THE bootlicker! I want a two for one deal on my subjugation!
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>>18327494
The most natural form of government for humans. Certainly the oldest and most stable. Only lolberts and libtards (but I repeat myself) can't handle the reality that someone has to be in charge
>>18327508
Caesaropapism is inherently unstable and always results in religion becoming a political/bureaucratic nightmare and occasional nightmare schisms/heresies
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>>18327520
Wrong. Caesaropapism can work very well if the Caesar keeps the pope on a tight leash and confines him to ecclesiastical matters. Take the exarchate of Ravenna and give it to the Lombards permanently. Leave the popes enough farmland to feed Rome's population but that's it. Keep Spoleto and Benevento as semi-independent duchies to counterbalance the pope's power in the peninsula, and that's it
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>>18327494
One of the few systems capable of long-term planning without mandatory reliance on a so-called deep state
Modern monarchism is suffering from excessive dynastywank, however
>>18327533
>People today can actually fight to to tell the masters fuck you
Can they?
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>>18327523
>dude your bad leaders will just be replaced with more unaccountable bad leaders
>unlike my based Trad™ Monarchism where the bad nobles and unaccountable king are violently replaced by more unaccountable kings and bad nobles every 10 years when there's a succession crisis
You fags really need to get a script.
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>>18327494
only form of government where rulers are actually held accountable and cant disappear into the void, only ruined by excessive inbreeding because elitist tards got ironically obsessed over keeping bloodlines pure
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unironically a super intelligent immortal AI monarch is the last hope for the human race, as every other form of rulership involves humans who will always become corrupted or retarded with enough time. Maybe the AI has its problems but I would take it over being owned by kikes and corporations
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>>18327618
>bad nobles
just sue them in the Imperial court
>bad emperor
based nobles will remove him and elevate a worthier man
>bad pope
the emperor raises a huge Franco-Lombard army and besieges Rome
admit it, it's a better system than what we have now
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>>18327505
>monarchism is submission
Firstly, no its not, monarchism is recognizing leadership is best reserved for leaders.
Secondly, you have a weird submission obsession.
Third, what's the alternative to monarchsim? "submission" to a bunch of degenerate retards?
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>>18327817
>Firstly, no its not,
Monarchism is submissive by design. It concentrates ultimate authority in a person whose legitimacy does not depend on performance or continued approval
>Secondly, you have a weird submission obsession.
That's funny coming from a closeted sissy bootlicker wanting a monarch to take the reigns
>Third, what's the alternative to monarchsim? "submission" to a bunch of degenerate retards?
Democratic systems are imperfect, but they allow for leadership selection based on merit and correction through removal. There is no peaceful internal mechanism to fix a bad monarch, you just have to hope the next one isn't as bad.
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>>18327848
>submissive by design
ALL relationships which arent inherently domineering from a personal perspective are necessarily submissive in some way.
"Submissive" isnt an argument, its you shoehorning your fetish into politics and projecting that onto others.
>legitimacy does not depend on performance
Except it does.
Meritocracy is MOST present in monarchy because it is NATURE which judges the Monarch not the retarded people who are easily swindled.
Nature is never fooled and nature ALWAYS comes to collect.
youre thinking "nature? what the hell does that mean??" It means for example if a monarch is a shitty leader he will get invaded by claimant, assassinated, couped, destroyed in some way and because monarchy is inherently centered around one man, only one man has to take the fall for judgement to pass and the political structure to change - whereas in a bureaucracy the entire thing lives and dies together, either ALL heads roll or NO heads roll.
While under a monarch, only one head needs to roll and they roll often when they lead poorly.
Nature isnt fooled.
Bureaucratic fortifications insulate governments from accountability because it insulates them from consequences by insulating them from exterior and internal threads.
monarchs have no such protections and are thus MUCH more accountable because they are much more vulnerable.
>sissy bootlicker
projection.
monarchs are overwhelmingly less intrusive/oppressive than the bureaucratic security states like what we have today.
>democracy allows for selection
So does monarchy, monarchy has a much more wise selector - adversity, whereas democracy has fucking retarded Trump niggers or woke golems.
>peaceful internal mechanism
There is also no peaceful internal mechanism to change democracy because, case in point what we see today with Epstein and America.
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>>18327494
It's the best political system. Why live with the chaos of competing interest groups where people like Jeffrey Epstein can secretly pull the strings when we can just have one hierarchy that everybody agrees upon?
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>>18327494
it's an RNG based government where you roll the dice and hope you get a good king.
is it a good system? depends on what you roll, most kings were utterly mediocre and accomplished nothing while some did more in a decade than had been accomplished in centuries.
compared to democracy the floor is lower but the ceiling is way higher
it compares far better against party dictatorships which suffer from a low ceiling due to power politics but doesn't make up for it with a higher base level like democracy.
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>>18327494
Hilariously inefficient. Imagine being Spain, being literally handed infinite riches for free, and then proceeding to shoot yourself in the foot repeatedly with it while your population lives like Russia-tier serfs until well past most of Western Europe had secured far better minimum living standards for the common people.
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>>18328156
>ALL relationships which arent inherently domineering from a personal perspective are necessarily submissive in some way.
Calling all nondomineering relationships submissive dismisses nuance. Political obedience isn’t automatically submission because consent and accountability matters. You're acting like democracy is just as submissive, but in reality it allows structured, peaceful correction.
>it is NATURE which judges the Monarch
Historically indefensible position. Nature does not reliably punish bad monarchs. Plenty of terribly incompetent or cruel monarchs ruled comfortably for decades and many competent monarchs were assassinated, overthrown, or died young.
>only one head needs to roll
Succession crises routinely triggered civil wars and dynastic bloodbaths. Removal of a bad monarch destablizes the entire state.
>monarchs have no such protections and are thus MUCH more accountable because they are much more vulnerable.
Then by your own definition the system selects for paranoia, brutality, and repression and not for good governance. A ruler who fears assassination will spend resources on purges, secret police, and buying the loyalty of the elites.
>monarchy has a much more wise selector - adversity
War, coups, and assassination don’t select for competence, they select for whoever best manipulates force and loyalty at a given moment. Democracies at least attempt to align leadership survival with public outcomes.
>There is also no peaceful internal mechanism to change democracy because, case in point what we see today with Epstein and America.
Elections, courts, impeachment etc. are peaceful internal mechanisms even when they work slowly or incompletely. In contrast, your only mechanism for monarchies is through violent means.