Why do western autists have this obsession with uniqueness?

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>>7846869
>>7846869
This is why you should adopt the mindeset of appreciating all kinds of arts from all eras instead of only consuming nostalgia from your childhood and fotm anime. Learning to draw opened my eyes to appreciate a lot of comic book artist and renaissance art. There is a lot to learn from them

>>7846875
If you're just some carbon copy of some other guy, youre no better than an ai sloppa. I can just go look at the original guy's art instead

>>7846875
Because unlike the Japanese we have and care about copyright laws

Same autistic dogshit threads over and over and over. Site is fucking dead.

Autist retard probably found that coloring is easier than drawing and now blames it on anime.

Rule of cool is the only thing that matters

>>7846897
For every single zoomer and subhuman autist to commit fucking suicide.

>>7846875
You are the perfect example of an over'socialized individual: you would jump off a building if it became the trend. I pity you,you’re lost in society’s maze, forgetting the soul’s honest and unique simplicity. After all, true creativity is the expression of that soul, free from external filters.

Simple idea: why should an individual’s most cognitively ergonomic expression [its sincerity] have to conform to someone else’s patterns?

>>7846875
everything except for drawing
see>>7846904

Nevermind the fact that style is just fucking proportions slapped to constructions.

no, we have to be fucking snowflakes because drawing is too fucking hard.

>>7846904
Art is a tool to invoke certain emotions in the target viewer, not your personal toy to make you feel special. You're type of tard that romanticizes drawing Steven Universe OCs that nobody cares about.

>>7846908
Art can mean many things and have different roles. Art is a process, art is a product, art is a cultural phenomenon. It can be a tool, or it can be a personal toy.

Also the anon to whom you replied said "creativity", not "art", so it should be already clear they're talking in a different context than you.

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>>7846875
Have a unique character is to have a more easily identifiable character, thus making the franchise that character is a part of more easily identifiable.
I do think that some western creators take the mindset too far and try to make ugly homunculus looking things their main characters (steven from steven universe, for example, is shit), though I suspect that's less bad character design and more shitty identity politics coming into play, and they're trying to put "average" looking people into their shows (by making them unattractive).

On the flipside, I do feel like Asian creators are far too blase' with how similar their character designs look compared to others. Young Male twink MC's with shaggy black hair are a dime a dozen, but having so many look as similar as in picrel is crazy to me. I'm sure this must create some brand confusion and such, but if I cool character design comes up, why not do something similar? Originality can be a blessing and a curse.
It's because of Asia's willingness to copy each other we got the beloved genre of isekai... it's also because of their willingness to copy each other that isekai has been so overdone that people now roll their eyes at it.
I think it's similar with Asia's visual designs, someone comes up with cool shit, others continue to deliver that same cool shit, but we continue getting force fed that shit long after it warmed to room temperature and has been watered down and sloppy.

So there are positives and negatives to both mindsets (Eastern V. Western) - personally I prefer to chase originality and see others have their swing at it, and to also see the misses to, as they can often be just as interesting (even if they're not good).
But I can't fault someone for copying the greats and giving people more of what they love...
...What the fuck was the topic again?

>>7846880
what are some comic book and renaissance artists you like

>>7846866
Easier to draw 100 times a day for animation or manga
Who cares how many “unique” faces you can draw if none of them are appeal or consistent among the same character

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>mfw OP doesn't know Baki
Literally the only reason to watch Baki is the face style, the powerscale and powerups are beyond retarded

>>7846866
well, cartoons simplify the faces. you already know that. a strong style will then overpower any minutes differences making it seem like every face is the same. it's why in anime they often resort to interesting hair and eye colors and unique hair styles
apart from those, the only way to make unique faces with a simplified style is to try to depict extreme faces like the one you posted
by extreme I mean sick. diseased. that person has genetic issues and/or suffered through some sort of illness during their development. I don't want to see that in my anime. I want to see cute girls

>>7846979
Don't have access to my ref folder atm so I can't find the artist I am thinking of but if you're looking for artist to learn from hans bacher is really great at composition and color. I love the way tatsuyuki tanaka draws characters and mechanical creatures. Tim sale does beautiful inking, check out batman long halloween. Long list of artist I like I keep going but ill stop.

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>>7846875
ONE OF US

>>7846904
You can find trillions of pictures of tumblrites drawing disfigured man-looking woman with red noses and face hair all over the internet, you are not "special" for not conforming to the generic anime style with your art. Its just that people who aren't pathological contrarians don't like the for obvious reasons, just like they don't like staring at a pile of shit on a random street.

>>7846977
All of those are from light novel isekaislop that are considered cancer even by japs themselves. Go load up mangaplus if you want to see what people actually mean when they think about anime/manga.

anime is for losers

>>7847093
American cartoons are*

>>7847090
>op is talking about animation
>"well but on the manga..."

anime is for weak

>>7847103
both are for losers

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Practice

>>7847103
grow up weebo

>>7847103
I guess it's Canadian Cartoon's time to shine!

>>7847131
looks like a man, punk, who did cocaine for way too long

>>7847133
Back to the /co/mblr hugbox with you

>>7847146
But anime is for little kids, pedophiles and trannies.

>>7846882
I think you might be rarted because their copyright laws are significantly stricter and also don't have any sort of parody law.

>>7847131
v nice annon

>>7846866
only autistic kids draw anime

>>7846875
what's with these retarded weebs that only watch moe shit?

Because drawing faces with realistically subtle diversity is very hard, especially when you're doing mass drawings like animation or manga. That's why when alternate faces are used, they're typically very extreme like gonk faces. Subtle variation is too hard to replicate in a timely manner so diversity is communicated through discrete changes like hair and eyes.

>>7846875
Why did man conquer the earth? It is because he has curiosity and likes to experience new things, to expand his mind and learn. It is in his blood and what makes him human. You are no man, you are a bug.

>>7847338
It was an engineering mindset that allowed Europeans to do that. Novelty seeking behavior is what makes you do hard drugs and other retarded impulsive ape behavior.

>>7847394
Engineering doesn't benefit from curiosity? All of the great inventions we use today were at one point novel things.

>>7847394
lol yeah because the guy who invented the engine did it by copying what the last guy did

>>7847039
Yeah a problem with anime discussion online is that we are only receiving a fraction of all animation from Japan that gets translated and people only care about handful of that fraction. Notice how almost all anime refrences in the west boild down to DBZ/sailor moon parodies, ghibli glazing and Akira bike slide refrences?

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>>7846875
no, it's a decent question. You do see a lot more variation of character styles in more cartoony animes. and old school animes.

>>7846882
>(((copyright law))) is a good thing
Not exactly helping the westoid cause here

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>>7846866
Cool face

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Interesting face. I tried

>>7847566
I don't know lad
I posted baki and in the same post explained why it's shit
I don't know if having more anime would be better, or if it's going to be just more trash and we'll just dilute our brains even more
I love baki, but it's kinda trash shounen-wise

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>>7846866
i wanna put my penis in her vagina

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Might color it

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>>7846866
because the artists just cant do it because it really doesnt matter so they dont learn it
There are some artist that can do it

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>>7846977
At the end of the day, create a unique design if you can.
If said design is ugly then I advise you scrap it: I'd rather creators resort to more stereotypical but visually pleasing choices such as the ones seen in your pic.
Beauty trumps everything in character design, people 100% judge a book by its cover, if your characters look ugly they won't even give your work a chance. The only time you're screwed even when going with such a safer mentality is in the event of design oversaturation, i.e. if that look is replicated eccessively in works, but even then, I'd still prefer that over uggos

>>7846875
They don't draw

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>>7847566
Don't forget Ghost in the Shell!

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>>7847569
my fav gag in this anime was when he'd randomly be a photo of some dude (funfact, it's the Code Lyoko creator)

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>>7848136
lal

is this the girl from mujeres al borde de un ataque de nervios?

>>7848049
really nice

>>7848136
>>7848137
was there a reason to this or did he just really like code lyoko?

>>7847082
>literal decade old meme about cartoons not even around anymore

>>7848049
Water color and ink? Blog?

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A tad messy but i tried to capture it

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>>7846866
Ahem

thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bEZQ00OOxY

>>7848567
Great job, I really dig your interpretation.

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>>7848231
Thomas Romain actually worked on other animes by the same studio, so on the Dokuro-Chan adaptation, since he was around, they used his face for gags.

>>7846977
Westoid face blindness. I bet you think.all Japenese people look alike too.

>>7848416
Still applies. Big City Greens being an example.

>>7847147
Yes I am a pedophile and I like anime and cartoons. So what now?

>>7847136
Never. Canada never figured out animation and just tweens everything. Probably invented it. Cheap lazy asses.

>>7847764
Baki isn't some unknown anime gem that no one knows about anon.

>>7847993
Oda doesn't care and makes ugly bastards all the time. Same with Mashima.

>>7848136
>>7848137
>>7848231
>>7848797
Odd is my favorite character from Code Lyoko. He's cute and sexy.

>>7848164
Learn to reply Newfag.

>>7848631
Jewden?

>>7846875
Two reasons. The first is that it gives them the excuse of saying that a badly-constructed face/body/whatnot is totally intentional and not at all evidence of their inability or refusal to draw properly. The second - and this is especially popular in queer and queer-adjacent communities like Twitter and Tumblr - is that uniqueness (read: ugliness) is their way of standing up to the straight, white patriarchy's beauty standards.

Please post more girls like this im gonna explode

>>7846977
Sameface, inoffensive slop is an intentional choice. Easier for the virgins that watch chinese cartoons to self-insert.

>>7852583
I only think that short, black haired, and squinty eyed Japanese people all look alike.
If they have other characteristics, I'll be able to tell them apart... they'll the singular japanese person who either aren't short, don't have black hair, or don't have squinty eyes!

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>>7848679
Even moeblobs look different, OP is a tranny faggot and the reference suck, every single drawing of it sucks as well by default.

>>7848679
People always praise him for being very diverse with his faces, but that's because men are easy to play with.
All his pretty girls have the same face, the human facial appeal algorithm does not forgive.

>>7853169
pyw

After seeing this thread I've decided to never ever ask /ic/ about anything regarding facial appeal or aesthetics

>>7853169
>pedoblobs

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Depends on what anime/manga you're watching/reading, I've always thought be-bop high had pretty distinct faces for the main cast of characters and antagonists, though some of the faces can be kinda samey for the extended cast+female characters.

>>7853489
the majority of boards altogether just do not have any idea of what taste is to begin with

>>7853489
This is a very thinly veiled 'kek, the jews' thread and nothing else

>>7846866
easier to animate the same face over and over again.
I love a good Mediterranean nose.
Not a jew nose those. Theres a difference.

>>7853966
There's a difference?

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Westoid faux anime slop

>>7854145
bone to cartilage ratio.
more bone on the top of the beak compared the the cartilage on the bottom.

>>7854154
Cute, she kinda looks like Shelly Duvall.

>>7848416
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animated_television_series_of_2025

just go around of those and look at them literal slop... average isekai garbo is 1000 better then any of that shows kek.

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>>7846866
An attempt was made.
How do I make the proportions less shit?

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>>7854145
>>7854157
Jews have a lot more flesh on the bottom, cartilage area. You may find some jews with a larger bone on the top area, but its likely do to mixed breeding in the Mediterranean

>>7858298
I am in such fucking awe.. holy fucking shit lmao

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>>7858298
it's not real, you tricked me u_u

>>7858315
>Slightly smaller
lol, still, not much of a difference. point still stands.

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>>7847566
>not available in the west

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>>7847591
wanted to see how far id get only looking at the image once, lot of stuff i forget. think i mixed up the hair with the op pic

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same thing again

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>>7846866
Is this what you asked for?

>>7859713
LOL no way. That guy literally popped into my head right before I opened this thread

>>7846866
because your a tourist and only watched the top of the iceberg and ignore the decades of examples to the contrary

>>7858298
>>7858327
it does not stand. get the fuck out

I love the Cleopatra beak look on girls.

>>7858493
France is the second largest manga market in the world, in addition to BD and the Franco-Belgian axis being bigger than NA comics.

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>>7854154
I love styles that blur the line between east and west.

From Steamboy Production Materials

>>7846866
East and West are split philosophically and spiritually on individuality. Europeans are much more individualist, probably due to the unique history that occurred in Europe, and the East is much more collective-minded, again probably due to their history. In a phrase: it's "Odin" opposite "Buddha." Asians typically won't care about their individuality, Europeans do, and I guess we're just left wondering why exactly.

>>7862186
Arthur Adams might be your guy

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>>7862191
What's interesting is that, from antiquity through the Renaissance and even into the 19th century, Western artists predominantly painted and sculpted an idealized type. The facial proportions and features of Greek statues appear (with subtle variation) over and over again throughout Western art. Even an artist with a distinctive style, like Michelangelo, has a recognizable type (still based on the Greek) that appears in most of his works. I've attached one of Leonardo's studies of "grotesque" heads as a counter-example, the exception that proves the rule. It is only a drawing, however; the individual, with its deviations from the ideal, was not viewed as suitable for representation in painting and sculpture except (to a limited degree) in portraiture.

>>7862230
Probably a big part of that was the institution of art as a discipline, they didn't do it for fun. Maybe Europeans are just enjoying the artistic freedom they never had.

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>>7862233
You can see sort of the same thing with superhero comics, the "type." The heroes are all 9-10 heads tall, muscular, square-jawed with low brows and narrow eyes (see Bruce Wayne, Superman, etc.). Even if there is variation between artists, most artists still develop a type of their own (or borrow it from what came before). The exception would be someone like Mort Drucker, who seemed never to draw the same face twice, and could not only capture likenesses brilliantly in his caricatures, but could invent distinct characters from imagination from a seemingly endless store of material (the latter skill almost certainly developed as a result of the former). Picrel is a Burger King ad featuring all invented Drucker people.

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The big takeaway I've learned from this thread is people generally don't look at older works in anime or have never seen anything that's not the immediately current thing on crunchyroll or whatever, because this wasn't really a problem before the 90s and the bubble bursting. the drastic shift in budgets forced staff to find ways to build shorthand contexts they could use on multiple series right away, leading to alot less viability for unique styles and more of a lean towards those shorthands. This became especially true when cels were finally phased out.
That's not to say there aren't a fewthings here and there that don't experiment. the mecha genre especially loved trying new ways to draw characters, with Xabungle and Escaflowne being standouts for having the most interesting takes.

in short: stop looking at the same shit all the time and thinking that only the averages matter.

>>7862470
Dunbine edges out Xabungle for interesting media imho

>>7862470
Anime from the '80s and '90s is freaking awesome. The introduction of CGI was a turning point for the worse. Even the "simple" styles of the early '80s are wonderful and very appealing.

>>7862252
Isn't that Jeremy Clarkson at the bottom left? It's a dead ringer for him.

>>7859713
That kid looks like he gets throbbing headaches whenever he gets too excited.

>>7848570
immediately.

>>7846875
jews

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Thought I'd throw my hat onto the nose. She was fun to draw.
I need to colour more often, I've been neglecting it and just been doing grey tones for a good while.

>>7847613
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>>7858161
Some acknowledgment in the form of (you)s. Good job guys.

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I love nose girl and my drawing doesn't come close to her beauty

>>7846866
we do, just watch more anime or read more manga

>>7861331
Speaking as a European, the French and Belgians have a long history of loving cartoons, especially stuff like Tintin and such. It's no wonder they also enjoy foreign material, manga included. Most of Europe grew up in French and Belgian comics and cartoons alongside manga and anime, it's crazy.

>>7862230
Both the ancient Greeks and Romans/Italians were obsessed with aesthetic and beauty. These portraits can be best seen as a counterculture response to absolute beauty in art. That, or they were just sketches.

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>Can talk shit about anime
>can't talk shit about dogshit western slop

how is that fair? Hey your art is shit and the western industry is dead, wake up bozo.

>unironically drawing a disgusting jew

I hope every single one of you ends up alone, with 3 cats and eventually getting schizophrenia.

>>7867501
Who are you talking to?

>>7867409
Good drawing, but she needs more nose.

7867707
I think western art is bad and the reference is garbage. The reason why people don't usually draw garbage like its because it's ugly. Jews and the extreme left often draw ugly art cause they are ugly on the inside and it's all they are able to see.

Time to rupture art from the extreme left, enough ugliness.

>>7867715
>western art is bad
Then just draw whatever you find beautiful? I don't get it, do you want recognition for being a special art-boy? Just draw, faggot.

>>7867715
>7867707
Do you not know how to reply to people?

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Kablammo

>>7867728
I wish I had a jaw like that, I want to know her mewing routine.
Good job.

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>>7867731
Tweaked it just a bit, thanks.

>>7846875
Because it’s fun, stupid.

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>>7846866
On my phone, but still want to contribute.
I don't care what people here say, those lips look like they give some mean blowjobs, let's be honest here, fellas.

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>>7846866
close thread

>>7867755
>let's be honest here, fellas.
But those buckteeth would always scrape against the tip.
Nice Drawing though.

>>7867762
I agree, the resemblance is pretty close, mr.esl

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>>7867442
Add to that Italy and the nordic countries and their Disney comics which is massive. Topolino is basically manga and comes out with new material weekly and even the tankobon format is basically the same. btw the french experimented with their own tankobon-style in the 70's with pocket pilote but that didn't really take off, they like the big albums.

>>7859580
You know, I thought about Moais when I saw her as well... I wonder what about her face gives that impression? Just the strong nose and jaw?
Nice drawing, by the way.

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I think I'm in love with this woman

>>7868128
I feel like you should be pushing the extreme perspective with that nose as she turn around. I should feel like I'm about to be batted on the side of the head.
Cute drawing though, it kind of remind me of Harry Partridge's Female characters.

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>>7868140
her nose is tall in profile but not wide at all from the font. She's an actress, Rossy de Palma, the film is called Women on the verge of a nervous breakdown. top 5 most beautiful women I've ever seen

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Awesome ref thanks OP

>>7848570
Should've been the first reply to this stupid thread

>>7868393
>stupid thread
Of course the no draw calls this thread stupid.
It's one of the better threads on the board, both in topic, and in actually having people draw.

>>7868393
Use the stupid thread as an excuse to draw like the rest of us anon. I hate shit posters too, but you gotta use the state of the board to your advantage

>>7848570
Isn't that an exception that moreso proves the rule? If she stands out because of her nose, or if you feel she has a particularly unique design compared to others, that sort of shows that the OP was right in their critique.

>>7868413
anime and manga in general might suffer from a paucity in unique faces, but unique faces are no exception in the source material for that pic. it should be no surprise given togashi's technical artistic background, and this remark might indicate what the issue is with anime and manga. miyazaki has complained of a kindred problem along a different line of attack, but even his style is not immune to the cloneface critique.

>>7846875
because they're ugly

>>7847993
Oda is really good at wacky males and celebrity lookalikes too
Shame that 99% of his females are clones

>>7846866
most "unique" faces are ugly. case in point your example

>>7870465
I also think that being 'attractive' is kind of like having all the interesting features sanded off, but I disagree in a broader way.
Margot Robbie, for example, I think has a fairly distinctive face - and she is hot.
Shelly Duvall was a much more unique looking woman, and also attractive.
There's also a lot of subjectivity in this, just look at all the dudes thirsting over the Nose lady.