Yeah, me.

Only the ones that don't want to learn, take advice from people better than them, and/or try new ideas.

>>7851885
Me

Justdrawbros.....................

is this the reverse howie

Guys I'm so fucking scared of becoming someone this its not funny

>>7851913
Question yourself literally every step of the way. And by every I mean every. Do it so much you feel psychotic. Self critique is an ability that arbiter wolf doesn't have and that's why his work looks the same after like three years of this "journey."

>>7851885
Unfortunately, yes
Fortunately, it's very rare
I think it has something to do with autism. Because they like routine so much, they refuse to experiment with their approach, so they end up making the same mistakes over and over again. Think Sami Ways.

>>7851967
sami ways is schizokino though. the guy in the op is just pitying and sad

>>7851927
I really think he's just an extremely elaborate troll at this point

Arbiterwolf thread... unfettered soul. Can anyone find a better version of his reference. I need to pay the Arbiterwolf tax and PMW before I can criticize him

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>>7852289
Nvm I got it. I'll try to get it done after work

This guy keeps doing the same thing over and over again, which is pure fucking insanity to me. It's 100% digital construction-based drawing with the same fake brush and the same subjects repeatedly. There isn't evidence of a single attempt to draw something other than pretty anime women or to try a different tool. You're supposed to realize you're doing something stupid after like a couple DAYS, and then immediately try something else. That's how you trial and error your way into insights that move you forward, but this guy will keep up his Sisyphean self-flagellation forever or just quit. Mileagefags are genuinely retarded.

>>7851885
That's me and the guy you posted

>>7852344
how is he supposed to know hes using the wrong tool? He's using the same brushes as the pros.

You keep saying he should "Try things" well whats the correct answer? You don't know

I do, though. Its to not use construction, but every guide says to use construction so this will never end.

>>7852430
>He's using the same brushes as the pros.
complete gobbledygook
Everybody works differently. If something is repeatedly showing no results or feels unproductive, you try another thing. Don't just stay on a sinking ship like a dullard.

>>7852344
Look through the comments. You can tell him this exact same comment word for word and he'll comment back saying "Yeah they're things I really need work on" and then continue stagnating for another year.

>>7851885
I think his main problem is that he draws too little. Drawing for about one hour a month is almost nothing—real improvement usually requires at least an hour a day.

Right now, he should focus on understanding how to make his drawings look better instead of following a rigid structure someone else made. From my experience after four years of drawing, learning to spot and fix issues is key. If he can’t notice things like hair looking strange or understand how to make it look soft and natural on the head, he won’t improve.

>>7851885
>Remember seeing a thread on this guy from at least a year ago now
>He's still exactly as shit, doing the same retarded mileage exercises, with not one iota of improvement
He really just has no idea. Some people are just so utterly, irredeemably ngmi that it's just painful

>>7852430
>whats the correct answer? You don't know
experiment, observe, invent. just fucking be creative. people like arbiter wolf are not creative people. they never will be.

>>7852640
not just for mileage, but also skill rust. leaving such a huge amount of time inbetween your drawing sessions means you're essentially starting over from scratch every single time. if he only draws one hour a month, i outpace him in terms of raw mileage in 2-3 days AND i have a higher ratio of retention. he's just fucked. you can't approach art casually like this and expect anything to happen

>how does someone get better at art
>hee hee I wont tell you, its a secret~
>but also learn the fundamentals

>>7851885
either bait or this guy has no developed taste

>>7851885
This is what you get when you try to learn from construction instead of doing one to one copying
It’s like telling /beg/ to learn by z-brushing a 3D sphere in their mind

>>7853450
what an absolutely retarded post

>>7854096
seethe permabeg

>>7854096
CopyGODs own you

>>7854096
Explain why. I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious as to why you think so.

>>7851885
May be because I'm autistic as shit, but bro doesn't look that bad (wouldn't fap to any of it if they were the last images of woman left though)_

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>>7853450
>It’s like telling /beg/ to learn by z-brushing a 3D sphere in their mind
i unironically learned more drawing while using a modeling brush and wasting dozens of hours per sketch than copying 1:1

>>7851885
i love this little nigga

>>7852640
>Drawing for about one hour a month
Does he actually? Well I feel a lot better now

>>7856817
Every video he uploads is the entirety of his drawing time since the last video.

>>7854097
>>7854112
>>7854115
>brainlets don't even know what construction is
Seems about right for you braindead weebs

>>7858207
if it worked there wouldn’t be a bunch of /beg/s calling themselves talentless

new kino is up

>>7851909
that's not just draw, if you look at his channel, he's an animu loomis autist

>>7858207
Arbiter wolf is literally trying to draw anime using construction and failing terribly because of it

>>7858207
Please explain what value lies in using construction when this retard cannot even copy something accurately. Or did the cubes rot your brain too much for you to comprehend the issue at hand?

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>>7852339
Oh that's right, I did this and never posted it because it was crap, but I might as well nut up and get used to showing off things im not happy with

>>7858098
goddamn, that makes so much sense

>>7859319
looool

>>7860030
Post your attempt! I don't mind learning from people better than me

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>begs and nodraws thinking they'll ever reach the pure unfiltered SOVL of arbiterGOD

>>7851885
My answer for normal people is no, they just have bad habits that they need to break out of, or they're not really putting in the effort in the correct way.
But of course there are irregular people, like chris-chan, who no matter of help or effort will ever be able to draw well.

This said, some people will just pick things up more easily than others, which gives the illusion of a natural inability to those who are progressing more slowly.

>>7859319
Based.

>>7861867
Nuclear take, my friend.

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>>7852339
>>7852339
Better or worse than op? Tried to do it without erasing and I was reusing paper sorry >_<

>if you don't practice and study you won't improve
say it ain't so

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Me too.

>>7861934
Someone has to be brave enough to say the controversial things.

>>7859319
You somehow consider this embarrassing or something you didn't want to post when this mogs anything I could do, have more faith in yourself

>>7861951
Good job. You're definitely seeing the features better than ArbiterWolf. I think it's worth it to do a couple portraits where you spend longer than usual being very anal about your proportions. I didn't do it every time, but I know I've given myself a much better base to work with when I've spent an hour making absolutely sure all the proportions are exactly how I want.

>>7862045
It's a moggy mog world. Thank you, I'm sure your stuff mogs someone who's hoping to be as good as you one day

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Who's man enough to take this week's ArbiterWolf challenge?

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>>7862318
And your reference

>>7852640
i do exactly that and i still can improve and experiment somewhat
no fucking excuses

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>>7862319
Damn, shading is HARD. First time i managed to create an fully-shaded face without it turning into a complete travesty.

I know you set out a value scale and assign it to your surfaces, but somehow i always mess it up and just YOLO that shit...

Gave her too much cheek i guess, and the nose and mouth are pointing in different directions, but whatever.

>>7862045
You can do it, maybe try a different method if you struggle. I've been banging my head against the loomis method for months - actually now i'm feeling might be a bit of a beginners trap (as a /beg/, you're gonna be happy if u can draw a box in perspective, much less sculpt an abstract head shape).
~6 weeks ago i pirated the Watt Atelier's Head drawing fundi course and Brian Knox's approach (simplified Reilly method) is much more forgiving for portraits.

>>7851885
Maybe. I've been drawing for years and im still beg. I decided recently to do one last push of studying art to see if i can get good, and if not im calling it quits.

I'm not quite as bad as that guy, but i should be much better than i am. Just stupid i guess.

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>>7862318
>>7862319

I might be!

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>>7862319
I liked her moles so I used this mole constellation construction to grasp proportions and distances
It wasn't a complete waste of time at least

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>>7863310
What the fuck

>>7863310
I fucking love science

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Oh no, he is improving, owari da....

no no no no no this can't be happening

>>7863310
How can I learn such powerful incantations

>>7861719
This fucking killed me
Where can I find more of it?

>>7863616
>>7863617
>>7863720
This is no different from using the tip of the pencil to measure distances while copying a live subject

>>7863755
retard

>>7863698
yet another win for tradgods

>>7862478
Is the course and approach useful for "creating" faces and heads or just for drawing portraits with a reference?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8UEx8Rtg4I
WOOOOOOOOOOOLFBROS

>>7865373
He is actually showing some progress, isn't he?

>>7865373
He's still in the contour drawing and copying phase

>>7865373
>He is TRYING to draw at least 15 minutes a day
Insane. Genuinely insane. How can a man not realize the sheer absurdity of this statement? Almost two years in and he still cannot understand that you cannot improve at something if you do it for less than ten hours a month? Some people are beyond saving

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>>7851885
that would be me, yes.

>>7865373
Unironically the most progress he's ever made it looks like. He's still drawing the shitty almond eyes though

What's the 1000 hour neuroscience guy up to these days

>>7861719
What did he mean by this

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Occasion calls for /BEG/ino

>>7866864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64hMgJiuswc

>>7866894
Brings me back to the NG days when we were all just shitters fucking around with these new toys.

>>7851885
the reason the guy in this video doesn't improve is literally in the video, he does all this tracing of the realistic face, then ditches it all and draws from memory, not retaining anything at all, he's not thinking, "hmm, ok, the eyes go here anda re this size cause of this, or that"
he just eats his vegetables and then goes right to ice cream, learning isn't just copying, is rationalizing why this is like this, or why that is like that, what works, what doesn't, what could i try differently, do something for a while, hate it, change it, get feedback, start all over, but don't stall, don't go back to square 1

>>7861960
this is very nice, feels alive, i'd love to see it inked/clean

>>7851885
I am just as garbage as him or worse. Just permabeg trash.

Why do permabegs keep at it? Don’t they get tired of everyone laughing at them for never improving and give up? It’s just a waste of time to continue being shit.

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bros..

>>7870704
he's improving at a rate not previously thought possible

>>7851885
I'm not going to go into detail, but when I just got into the internet as a kid back in 2001, there was a fetish artist who sold commissions via mail order. His art was pretty much worse than mine even back then, but he is still active to this day, still selling commissions, and his art is 100% exactly the same 25 years later as it was back then. Truly the avatar of permabeg.

>>7870668
so trad was the answer all this time...

>>7867208
Thanks but you’re mistaken I was deemed a stagnated permaprebeg by /ic/ ears ago and can’t draw anything with appeal.

>>7851885
I watched the video and I don’t know what advice I would give him if he asked for critique, he is doing the proportions “correctly” but it’s just the lack of fluidity and composition that I don’t know how to explain to someone

>>7862319
Is this AI? What's with those clavicles?

I mean, considering he is drawing for a grand total of 10 minutes a day it really doesn't look too bad, perhaps he is a genius in a rough

>>7851904
i was on a art discord many years ago, and there was this unsuferable dipshit who was always begging for feedback, and once he got it, went "oh, but this is my style, i like drawing like this"
in the end, the guy was only fishing for compliments and got mad when none was given.

3 years, even drawing traditionally like he's doing more of now he will just still be stagnant. Neuroplasticity is real

>>7861960
Racoonchad you are fine and good why do you feel so insecure i saw you being too insecure in lots of places you are totally fine and i like your style

>>7871489
I appreciate that but it doesn’t change the fact I was told I’m a stagnated permaprebeg.

>>7871885
at least you're not an aphantasic talentless ADD nodraw like me

>>7866894
There are some hints of competence that shine through in this work, is the lack of shading and texturing from a lack of experience or limitations in the tools used? Everything in this looks like vector graphics