>>7855593
Don't nips use these all the time?

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better than the 9000.

>>7855593
>>7855686
So what's the difference you notice when using these as opposed to a cheaper pencil?

>>7855717
I'd say a writing pencil can move in diagonals well, but it can't skate like a drafting pencil can. It's like asking why you can't use roller-skates on ice.

>>7855686
>doesn't actually look like the box cover
Damn Germans and their false advertising.

Why are these pencils considered better? What makes them different

>>7855753
Imagine drawing with a dark, crisp, beautiful line that can do everything you need it to. It can step lightly like a dancer, it can sketch with the boldness of a great statesman or impresario, or it can carve a picture out of rock like the greatest of sculptors and introduce contrast that would make a marker blush. The HI-UNI is all that and a bag of graphite. It is the real deal, my friend, just be thankful that you share a planet with it.

>>7855593

These are amazing but nearly impossible to get in Europe and if you find them they are wildly expensive. Tombow or Staedtler are the next best thing.

>>7855758
>Tombow or Staedtler are the next best thing.
yikes!

>>7855758
>Tombow or Staedtler
Never saw the appeal. I guess it has something to do with tone control? I've switched it up and had a tumble with the Tombow mono 100's, and experimented with the Staedtlers (although they were never willing to party). The truth is, they've got bland written all over them. Me, I'm a chisel-tip man through-and-through and I guess there's just no beatin it outta me.

The old Sanford Turquoise before the move to Mexico was basically on par with the Mitsubishi Hi-Uni. I still prefer the slim barrel on the Turquoise, since you can throw her around like a bridesmaid after she's had a few drinks at the bar. The Hi-Uni is a different girl altogether, she'll flirt with you and accept your invitation to dance but she's keeping her skirt below her panties and you better come correct. The Bruynzeel by contrast is like a timeless Netherlandish milkmaid after she's had a few kids; coarse, rough around the edges, sure... but still able to outshine her flashier, trashier cousins.

>>7855593
>>7855686
>>7855718
>>7855755
>>7855758
>>7855767
>>7855768
pyw

>>7855771
just like to see a man flex?

>>7855593
I just use shitty exam standard papermate pencils... am I... Am I not gmi guys?

>>7855776
you're a masochist, switch to studio graphite hb2s

>>7855593
you aren't japanese, you can't use these pencils.

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How are there this many people here who've never used an artist-quality pencil? They're not even expensive. Does anyone here DRAW?

>>7855796
My weapon of choice is a ten cent bic blue cristal. So I suppose I don't draw.

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>>7855771

Something from my current sketchbook that is a little more rendered than a sketch, I'm not going to post my fully realized stuff here.

>>7855758 is me.

Fuck all you contrarians btw.

>>7855768

Lol Bruynzeel fucking sucks. They are grade-school pencils over here.

.t dutchfag

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How about i post pencils nobody likes? THESE THINGS SUCK

>>7855796
>"Noooo, you can only really start drawing when you get the highest quality materials!"
No. I will continue drawing with my shitty cheap materials, and I will have fun doing so. You will not shame me into submission!

>>7855818
Haha, essentially anything that your family members stumble upon and get you as a gift, because you the 'artist of the family' is guaranteed to be shit.
Appreciate the sincerity, but still a shitty gift.

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>>7855593
I have a pretty heavy hand and only use hard pencil for architecture. H2 is the best balance for me. I do wonder if, with architecture now being full digital, my precious Hs are at risk...

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>>7855807
>Lol Bruynzeel fucking sucks. They are grade-school pencils over here.
These specifically and no other. You should be able to draw with them.

>>7855824
I use them to sketch but only on high-quality paper

>>7855593
How do I sharpen my pencil for wide mode so i can sketch with the overhand grip?

>>7856311
If you're not sharpening and refining your pencil with a knife and sanding block, you're ngmi.
Pencil Sharpeners are for plebs and hobbyists.

>>7855796
Sorry i'm too busy drawing to stare at my pencil i will never use.

>>7855818
Derwent pre-2021 used to be good, better than faber castell even, I used them a lot in my class back in the day. But then they started being nigger with their lead and graphite mixing, sometimes it will caused a grainy texture that could harm your pulp during sketching and inconsistent graphite in each level - sometimes your 2B can become 3B or even B pencil, there's almost no distinction between one pencil to another. It was awful
on the bright side though, atleast they are still keeping their comfy weight in their pencils, I give them that

>>7856822
So, what's a good brand, anon?

>>7855593
2H for drafting
2B for the finished linework

>>7856858
2B for sketching
2B for Finished Lines
2B for shading
2B for everything
2B is the only pencil for me.

>>7856847
Well the usual: staedtler mars, faber castell, tombow, etc.
Most pencils are good, they are normal and can be used to draw, its just derwent that are being problematic lately. I personally havent draw something fully in graphite in a long time, at best I use 2h pencil to draw a clean sketch for my watercolor artwork

>>7856873
i use 2B to create my own reality

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>>7855593

>>7855818
>>7855822
My dad got me some temu pencils and they're legit better than Derwents.

>>7857648
>temu pencils
And they're probably poisoning you with some foul chemical that's banned everywhere except china, ha.

And not to go off on a tangent, but I'm totally doing that here; temu pisses me off - everyone bitches and moans about how industry and production is leaving their country, but then they go onto sites like temu and buy the cheapest shit they can, proving exactly why industry is leaving. If you're not willing to pay first world prices for things, prices which pay for the first world paychecks of the workers, then those factories are going to leave the first world for somewhere cheaper.
Not to mention the side-on effects of this, such as keeping our wages stagnant, because now our wages go further when buying cheap foreign crap (meanwhile, not keeping up with the important things, like groceries or housing).
Always buy domestic products, or from a fellow first world country.
Out of place political rant over.

>>7857665
Again, art is not for the poor.

>>7857671
It goes beyond art, anon. Buying shit so cheap makes everyone poorer.

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Hello GOAT

Real pencil sketchers swear by Dixon Ticonderoga black. Super cheap and awesome erasers. Lead holders for more rendered/finished work. Or just plein air sketching without worrying about bringing a sharpener. The big wooden one is super fun to draw with and can go extremely dark

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>>7858006
Forgot pic

>>7857925
Pretty sure everyone use that thing

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>>7855593

>>7858168
Tableguy

>>7859157
>homo

>>7858006
yeah i bet you like black dixon lol

>>7859460
See, this is funny, because he turned the pencil brand "Dixon" into an innuendo for a Black Male's Genitalia - essentially calling the other anon homosexual.
It's for moments like this that I visit this website, for hilarious examples of wit as seen here! Bravo.

>>7859486
i bet you underwent transition surgery

>>7859486
What's your favorite underrated pencil, ChatGPT?

>>7860390
>>7860490
Two 4chan users who could not understand the highbrow humour that often appears on the site.

>>7856949
theres a true artist

>>7855593
used to buy tombow mono-J's when they were still made in japan. 4b ones, when the back of the pencil wasn't painted over

I just buy pencils from the dollar store

>>7860517
>unDERWENT
playing with you no fun

>>7858006
honestly even dixon ticonderogas are good enough. i stopped using mechanical pencils. might get a lead holder, but wooden pencils are just good enough for everything pencil related.

>>7866706
Which

>>7863716
>unDERWENT
If only you wrote it like that, it might have actually been witty. Instead, it just comes across as the usual schizo screed.

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Carpenter pencils

>>7868973
"Get it, bro?!"

>>7868981
You use them?

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Thoughts on these?

>>7855593
this shit is so cheap, I could buy one American blackwing and get 2 dozen of these mitsubishi

what the fuck

>>7868981
Propane em

>>7856949
I unironically use them for sketching before inking.

>>7869804
>"unironically" using a pencil to sketch before inking
You're a wild one, aren't ya?

>>7869172
my name isn`t matt so I dunno. have we got any matts on the board?

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never fails

>>7868970
>>7869872

>>7869172

I have these, and a set of the Staedler Mars Luminograph black. Those are a similar type of pencil. The higher the number (like 8B), the more carbon is inside to make it more black and matt.

It works, though they are never truly 100% matt - If I compare the Faber-Castell 14B with a Caran d'Ache Luminance black, the latter is still a lot more matt and more black.

Honestly, it is mostly a gimmick. Also, drawing with the pencils feel a little 'chalky', a feeling that the pencil is resisting your movement. The best results are with smooth, firm paper.

Ultimately, if you want a really matt result, use a good quality black colour pencil, like Polychromos or Luminance.

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>>7869923
My thoughts exactly on the matter of "matte" pencils. Yes, they're darker, but they're never truly black like colored pencils or inks are. And I agree on them feeling chalkier.

I don't do hyperrealistic portraits, so my go-to pencil is a trusty ol' Staedtler Mars Lumograph 2B for everything, sometimes supplemented with a harder or softer grade (made in Germany; I think to recall some QC issues overseas with outsourced Lumograph production). For loose studies, I tend to use a 6B Faber Castell TK lead in a clutch holder because charcoal and the likes are too dirty and chalky for me. I bought a Caran d'Ache Grafwood 3B pencil recently, haven't used it much as of yet because I had a rough start into the year, but it feels smoother and darker than my 2B Lumo.; whether it's worth the price remains to be seen.
For now, I mostly just want to use up my random assortment of pencil stubs; blessed be pencil holders (pic rel). Lil buddy is so small, it has to be sharpened with a knife though I usually prefer a rotary sharpener with a hand crank. I've found that the exposed lead also fits into a sharpener meant for Faber Castell TK leads when you want a normal, fine tip; it's clean and collects the graphite for potential later use.

I happen to own a black Monolith Zulu colored pencil (probably purchased by a sibling ages ago), and it has a very satisfying, thick black. Found it the other week, but haven't drawn anything black yet. Polychromos are best used in layers, so the black P.chr. doesn't have that nice thickness to it and wouldn't be a black pencil I'd recommend.

/tism

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>>7869923 same guy here again.

I swatched a variety of pencils I have, mostly colour pencils, which I prefer.


Most shiny
1 - Tombow Mono R
2 - Koh-i-noor Progresso, both graphite pencils, as comparison


Somewhat shiny
1 - Tombow Irojiten
2 - Faber-Castell Polychromos
3 - Posca pencil


Somewhat matt
1 - Faber-Castell Graphite matt, and Staedler Lumograph
2 - Koh-i-noor Negro
4 - Koh-i-noor Zulu , afaik both some kind of charcoal pencils


Very matt
1- Caran D'Ache Luminance
2- Cretacolor Nero, oilbased core with charcoal
3- Derwent Drawing

>>7870060
five star post
thanks

>>7870060
hehe negro

>>7870060
High quality post. Just one nitpick:
> Koh-i-noor Zulu
The Zulu is a(n apparently discontinued) Cretacolor pencil, not Koh-i-Noor. It seems to have been replaced by the Cretacolor Nero that comes in different grades. Rip, Zulu.

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>>7870190

No, it really is a Koh-i-noor Zulu. However, I do admit that I bought it around 35 years ago, so I should have realized it is likely no longer available.
Both brands have their origins in Austria, so I would not be surprised if there is some connection there - Cretacolor taking stuff over from Koh-i-noor.

Cretacolor also has some very nice water-soluble graphite pencils, AquaGraph, with some nice tints.

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>>7870248
I stand corrected, and I'm baffled at how I can't find info on the Zulu online. The "Austria" marking and the "[...]TH" made me falsely assume it's a type of old Cretacolor Monolith, since Koh-i-Noor Zulu likewise returned no results. But I can see I own the same ancient pencil as (You) do, and either it was purchased by a sibling 20 years ago if they were still sold then, or potentially my grandpa who was an architect and died prematurely in the 70ies.

What the FUCK is the Zulu, and why can't I buy a replacement of this neat pencil, dammit!?

>>7870248
>>7870271 (me)
All in all, you might want to hold onto your barely used Zulu. Some people collect historical pencils, maybe one of them would happily purchase it for enough money to buy yourself a couple of your favorite pencils. Or you keep it to show off yourself.

>>7870271

The Koh-i-noor Negro that I have is very similar to the Zulu. I've noticed they are still selling those.
I'll try to buy one tomorrow and compare them. If they are comparable, maybe that would be an alternative?

Also, the Caran D'Ache Luminance is very nice. It's neither graphite nor charcoal/carbon, true, but it's very smooth and has an intense black.

>>7870301
I'll go to an art supply store sooner or later, and there I'll pick up a Luminance or two to compare to my Polychromos. I've got to say that the very few CaD products I have all feel very premium. The black Luminance will probably win me over. Especially with how rarely I use black, I won't be burning through these pricy pencils.

>>7855758
They're sold in amazon.

>>7869923
>Ultimately, if you want a really matt result, use a good quality black colour pencil, like Polychromos or Luminance.
At times you can see Cartoonists like the Hank Ketcham crew working with Prismaoolor Premiere black, I wonder how it compares for sketching?

>>7857665
Nah I'll buy from China or Japan only. Everyone else deserves to crash.

>>7855802
nice cock

>>7873391
>Nah I'll buy from China or Japan only. Everyone else deserves to crash.
Is this site even allowed to be accessed from china? Don't destroy your social credit score just to shitpost, my dude.
Saying you'll also buy from Japan is fooling no one.

>>7855796
"The best grade for artists"™ material won't make you a better artist
Cheap pencils are already good enough and in certain cases better than the stuff the great artists of the past used