>>7868585
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7868586
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7868587
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

What are some manga that excel at world building and unique concepts in general that aren't 30+ volumes long series?

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>>7868585
Drafting the next two storyboards. A lot of pages need dialogue that isn't placeholder. chapter 21 doesn't have any dialogue. just some visuals and background references laid out. I'll share rendered storyboards when they're done

it was kind of staggering being told I need to do more backgrounds last thread when I already knew what I was in for in these upcoming chapters. I'm doing backgrounds whether I want to or not

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drawing ch5 of detective hefferchu & penguin comics, looking for feedback or suggestions
https://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/
https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams

>>7868760
looks great, I also use the same technique for photobashing backgrounds so that's often what my storyboards look like too

>>7868585
NO-DRAW THREAD

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>>7868671
Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou

>>7868671
Blame!

>>7868671
Why, anons in /mmg/ of course. :) Everyo- MOST of you here are trying to make cool stuff!

>>7868671
Ikigami! It's not that long either.
Homesick Tarou is also really good, but it's ongoing

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>>7868671
Gunslinger Girl! Yes, I'm very biased. But it's true. Teenage girls turned into cyborgs and used to fight terrorists in Italy. Plus, each one of them have a handler, with some of them treating them like their little sister or daughter. I think it's a pretty unque concept and it was very well explored in the manga and even anime.

>>7868671
The one you make. No time for distractions.

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I really hate drawing background/npc characters

>>7868921
Lol background characters are who I have the most fun drawing. Don't have to worry about their designs or reproducing them, I can just draw whatever silly or goofy guy or gal I want.

>>7868932
If you want then draw some goof looking npc in one of these blank npc

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>>7868938
maybe he's overreacting a bit, haha

>>7868941
Kek very good

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>>7868938

>>7868941
>man is holding a woman publicly hostage at knifepoint
>maybe he's overreacting a bit, haha
?????????????????????

>>7868948
I mean, it looks like he just watched her throat get cut.

>>7868776
Glad to see more anon

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>>7868946
>>7868941

>>7869680
hehe

>>7869129
nice breasticles

>finish panel, drew the characters and background and wrote the dialogue
>feeling good, move onto the next panel
>draw characters, write some dialogue
>hear a knock at my door
>get up and open it
>it's backgrounds
>again
>"h-hey anon, I know you're busy, um...could you maybe draw me in this panel too, please?"
Are you fucking kidding me right now, what does this stupid nigger want? I have to draw backgrounds? Says who? Why can't the readers just imagine what the environment looks like? They do it all the time when they read books. Man, FUCK backgrounds, all my homies hate backgrounds. Scenery can go straight to hell.

>>7869784
You could just take a pic and edit it. A lot of manga I read growing up did that not the worst thing ever.

Put >>7869129 in >>7868921

>>7869788
I can't, that would be the smart thing to do.

>>7869784
I'm starting to get sick of all the background hate. Maybe set your story somewhere cool next time.

>>7869129
A-australian sama...

>>7869806
I'll kneel to that.

>>7869784
write all the dialogue at once AND THEN draw all the characters AND THEN draw all the backgrounds once you have the words and characters on page so you can decide which panels really need a backgroundor not!

>>7869838
That's also a good idea which is why I won't do it. Also I don't work that way, I need to do everything at once per panel or else I'll forget details. What I would really like is to do those pages where it's like a VN with one picture and a bunch of text on the side for the story but that's so unsatisfying as a reader that I can't bring myself to go through with it, plus with fewer pictures I'd be expected to do more detailed images which includes backgrounds so I'm back to square one.

>>7869806
Like the outback?

>>7869129
Woot, the pitch got accepted. Finally back to storyboarding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>7869858
you're damn right.

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I just got accepted as a manga assistant while living overseas.
Trial period ended today and the mangaka would like me to show up again next week.
It's a no name mangaka working on his first serialization.
I still can't believe it though.
In these two days of trial, the mangaka is so polite and didn't comment anything about my art nor my workspeed that I thought I didn't do my job well.

>>7869901
Hey nice bro. I know if I got work back from an assistant and it sucked I'd let 'em know, so congrats.

South park or family guy kind of humor?!
As someone that wants to write comedy i prefer arrested development

>>7869855
Well start doing it. Its much better and once you get over the initial learning phase, you'll never go back. Having all the dialogue and bubbles laid out ahead of time will allow you to focus 100% on drawing. Switching modes costs mental energy.

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>>7869784
>>7869806
Backgrounds are a lot of fun for me. I get to turn on my inner Bob Ross and just whittle away at details.

my faces are decent but my bodies are ass. i feel like it is going to take years before i have good looking bodies and can place them in backgrounds convincingly.

>>7869901
any examples of the kind of stuff you'd put in your portfolio when you looked for an assistant gig? Doesnt have to be something that you actually showed the mangaka, just something with a similar focus and level to give me an idea of what passes the standard for entry for when I start applying

>>7869901
>>7870206
oh and congrats of course!

>>7870206
Not anyone in this thread but:
Variety I guess. Both in themes and tools used. Cartoony caricature and action pose. Pencils, inks and digital. Donald Trump, Donald Duck, Don Quixote (as you think he looks like, tell a story).
And nudes, both men and women. Sex not required but drawn without reference preferable. Show that you can *feel* bodies.

>>7869876
Man, your values are always super good and readable. I always find it hard to push my arts values too flat blacks. Great work!

>>7870053
Based and background pilled

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>>7870053
I think you can greatly improve your work by incorporating line weight into your backgrounds and characters. Feel free to disregard these non all encompassing changes if you feel like they do not apply to you, but it's something to keep in mind regardless.

>>7869901
PYW
And make picrel an anime girl or boy so we can know how good you are so people can make their own judgments on the skill level

>>7869901
Grats, good luck

>>7869916
Early South Park imo. Stories with stakes that matter, characters are consistent and care about the world they live in and its consequences, things stay relatively grounded in-universe but has an "anything goes" and "nothing is sacred" mentality without sacrificing the setting's integrity.

>>7870090
Best advice I can give is do it like those posable figures, draw the body out in shapes and tweak/add detail until you've got a character drawn. It's what I do for body types I'm not good at.

>>7870319
Hey anon, thanks for taking the time to look at my work. I had thought about putting darks in many of the same places that you had done, but was worried that including all of it would make the city seem like it was too dark possibly(?), especially since it's supposed to still be early afternoon in this shot. That said, I'll definitely incorporate some of the shading you did here, especially around the windows and outcroppings at the very least. Thanks again.

>>7870344
I see. The final thing I would also recommend other than continuing to practice figure drawing accuracy is that you put more detail and variety in your hair and clothing folds. Since it seems like you often struggle with those as an author, it would improve the overall quality of the drawings without too much effort.

>>7870332
>Early South Park imo
Nah, go current south park. Just make Trump small dick jokes and I guarantee you, you will find an audience.

>>7869921
I'd be willing to but I can't visualize the story unless I have pictures to go with the words.

>>7870354
Confucius say: if a joke told once is funny once, that same joke told many times is funny every time.

>>7870319
I agree with you and think this is an improvement but, and I know this is semantic, I wouldn't really call simply pushing your values like this "line weight".

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Made a goal to finish a page a week. I finally realized it's better to leave the bulk of the work for the weekends and the easier, smaller bits to weekdays.

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>>7870206
Other than the obvious technical skill, make sure your artwork is "complementary" to the mangaka's.
It doesn't have to be identical in genre or artstyle, it just have to support the overall atmosphere.
If the mangaka's artstyle looks like Abara or Biomega, and you send a portfolio that looks like Berserk's Lost Children Arc, you still have a chance even if the genre is different, because the overall feel is similar: dark, gritty, and dim.
Conversely, if you send a portfolio that looks like Knights of Sidonia, you might get rejected because even thought the genre is identical, the atmosphere is totally antagonistic.
In fact, that's how I got this job.
I was initially applying to assist an Isekai-Shonen-Battle Manga, but then the employee (Kodansha's editor) referred me to this Sci-Fi mangaka instead, even thought my portfolio didn't have anything resembling Sci-Fi art.
One more thing, make sure you have completed at least 1 chapter of your own manga and attach them together with your portfolio.
I wouldn't get this job if hadn't the editor asked me to read for my ero doujin.
>>7870328
Picrel is what I sent when I applied for a mangaka who will serialize an Isekai-Shonen-Battle Manga, but then I got referred to a Sci-Fi mangaka instead because the employee (Kodansha's editor) feels like my artstyle would better suitable for this Sci-Fi mangaka.

>>7870395
Looks dope

Is SMA worth anything?

>>7869901
Godspeed anon, and you better meet those deadlines or your a dead motherfucker

>>7869784
My logic is have an establishing shot whenever Im drawing a new scene, draw the BG in some panels for another page or two(less detailed) and then if Im still in that scene just use tones or leave it white until Im ready to move on to the next scene. If I need to change the perspective for dramatic purposes I also would draw a new BG for that

>>7870395
Were you the same faggot who drew the interior of that one famous church? If so good on ya man, I was impressed with that piece so Im glad your getting work from it(however if your not the piece you posted is also just as good)

>>7870587
I remember him from his weird fetish rape porn mangas.

>>7870591
So he's perfect for japan

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>>7870591
>weird fetish rape porn mangas
What's weird about it?

>>7870387
Sounds like a good plan.

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I'm a big star trek fan so its really hard not to copy how characters like data speak when writing for this emotionless robot man

>>7871080
>abandoned Hmart
>Hmart
>abandoned
I'm sorry, you've lost me there - no such thing exists. The parking lot for any of those places is insane. Any space is immediately snatched up by some asian middle-aged lady in 0.3 seconds.

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>>7871090
This is based on a k-mart in my hometown that has been abandoned for the last decade. The land is terrible. From what I understand it's a paved over landfill. At least that's what I was told as a kid. Every couple years someone shows up and attempts to redevelop it. They all give up.

My town is a dump. You'll still see signs protesting how industry giants poisoned our land. Decades after guys like IBM left. When I was a kid these kind of local legends really fueled ideas about hauntings and stuff. Along with the intensely foggy mornings, I swear to god I live in the closest thing to an American Inaba

>>7871102
Pave paradise, put up a parking lot.
or
But my pretty countryside
Had been paved down the middle, by a government that had no pride.

Plenty of songs about this, midwest anon

>>7871108
Nta but maybe it effects foundations and running pipes under the ground or something, depends on what you'd be trying to build

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>>7871133
This place was chosen as a landfill by IBM because it was a swamp. IBM didn't expect anyone to build on this land. I think the town wanted to cover up this blemish sitting near main street. AKA near the local highschool, and the library. Even if it wasn't a landfill. the swampy ground is probably bad for a building to sit on long term. The parking lot and surrounding roads are warped and bumpy. its such a large parking lot that doing constant maintenance on it is impossible.

>>7871115
>midwest anon
This is upstate new york.

For a little more history that no one asked for

Our county was built off the back of a large scale shoe manufacturer called the Endicott-Johnson corp. Who had thousands of houses built to support what was a 20,000 man workforce at their peak. George F Johnson financed practically everything that our county has through his "Square deal". Our schools, Our parks, the fucking carousels in the parks. The big city in our county has an arch calling it "the home of the square deal" Their company and their employee policies were incredibly progressive for the time. And for a long time they were the pride of our county.

I have framed photos of my town during that time and It's incredibly prosperous looking. These days things here are far more grim. I've met local figures who helped build what we have, and historians who dedicated their lives to pass on what those people experienced. They seemed to lost a lot of their enthusiasm for our home. The guy who founded famous local speedie-fest drove me home in an uber last year.

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>>7871143
>relate to anon because there's an old abandoned K-Mart building in a town near me too
>starts posting my county outta nowhere
Oh no no no there are single manga-maker chads just looking for love in my area

>>7871159
>>7871143
You two are mandated to go on a date now.

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>>7871143
My point with this history babble is that I've been trying to sneak these kind of details into my comic because like I said, It used to inspire great local ghost stories.

Also I draw the same house a lot because every house around me is the indistinguishable from the last ignoring the color of paint.

>>7871159
You're probably the one of the only dudes who has a chance to read my comic and tour the sites I referenced. Like the UE highschool, or the historic hildas house that is torn down now. This upcoming arc takes place at the oakdale mall if you've ever been there.

why do sites like manga plus resize comic pages? Webtoons too. Its so annoying.

>>7871174
Do they? I read the size requirements for Tapas and Webtoons which informed my decision to use ComicFury instead.

>>7871176
tapas shows pages in their original size but webtoons shrinks them down. I dont know if just me though

>>7871171
Well if you want to go for accuracy don't forget to add two GameStops kek

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How many billion years would it take to be able to use tones like this?

>>7871231
I don't have much time, but to do this all it takes is

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>>7871237
NO ANON PLEASE HOLD ON

>almost 90 posts
>about 8 anons have posted their work
>discussions about backgrounds and anons posting their background work
>got some community contributions to help out altarusia anon's other comic with random bystanders
Damn, we're eating great this thread, /mmg/ anons.

>>7871259
Oh brudda, you are just asking me to derail at this point.

But I wont fall for it

>>7871255
One tip is that instead of using lines to define shapes on the face, use shading/lighting.

>>7869129
why does the 13 year old have tits like a 40 year old?

>>7871295
Has to have baby face because pedo, but can't have baby body because pedo illegal

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I thought I would be able to draw all chapter 1 during these 30 days before returning to work but only did 6 pages. Grim.

>>7871302
Do you just draw pages or do you do storyboards first?

>>7871306
just pages

>>7871309
I know it might seem like it won't, but plotting things out first actually does help speed things up and while it feels like "doing things twice" might be a drag, it's either that or the glacial pace you've been going as you have to translate your thoughts onto the page while also finalizing everything.

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>>7871316
I know you deleted this post and might not want any attention but I feel like your problem can be fixed with a couple changes. I did it very roughly and you don't need to do every change. this is just how Id render this panel

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>>7871351
>comic sans
>Characters are litty
>Add more black pills

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>>7871313
You're right but I just dont like doing it. But I may start now because there is no other way

>>7871358
this dude cant recognize my goat cc wild words

>>7868585
where's the listed competitions?

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>>7871378
I dont know about any list but there is the Kadokawa one happening right now that was mentioned in the previous thread

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I think I have about 65-ish pages thumbnailed with this double spread. My guess is I need about 25 more pages to complete the chapter but Im just gonna start redrawing these as actual pages

>>7871359
O NEGAO TA MALUCO

>>7871351
Thanks a lot anon. I was just going to post the full page to ask for advice on this. I thought I would be able to just throw in some tones in whatever way that looked good but after I realized I'd have to be more meticulous with it I kinda panicked. I'm going to work more on it today.

>>7871509
https://youtu.be/u88pDc83Lws?si=51tN3VUMEuYXhI-r

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Finished it. I exported it using the lowest quality possible just to see how it looked like and now I know why my screentones never looked the same way they do in the manga scans I read online. They just have horrible quality lol.

>>7871611
copy all of your tones. make them raster layers and give them a really light blur.

>>7871611
wait... i dont get the panelling. does the guy pick up the helmet and put it down and pick it up again? or is it backwards?

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>>7871696
I guess it ended up a little confusing. This would be the right reading order.

>>7871702
Oof, I don't think anyone would read it that way

>>7871707
Maybe... I can just move the last panel a little more to the center.

>>7871702
>that order
Wait. Wait wait wait. All this time I thought you were a left to right paneling comic. Is Sunburn actually a right to left? Cos if not you can't just do a complete switcheroo like that.

>>7871714
Even though it looks more like a comic, the intention was always for it to be a manga. So yeah, it's read right to left.

>>7871716
I think even in manga you are supposed to read the two smaller panels top to bottom and then move to the left long panel.

My suggestion is to make the tall panel be on the right and the two small panels be on the left. Then the tall panel should be him picking up the helmet, and then he'll look at the helmet in the small panel you took.

>>7871702
Anon-dono...that is not at all how that is supposed to go. Rework that, please.

>>7871726
OH FUCK I GOT IT WRONG AGAIN AAAAHHHHHHH

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>>7871720
I pressed enter too early, since you wanted the three beat scene of him picking up the helmet, looking at it, and then putting it on, you can make 3 vertical panels with the space you have.

If you do 2 small and 1 tall, then him looking at the helmet is gonna be the one of the small ones, and I think you dont want to waste that nice drawing you did. So I suggest making it 3 vertical panels. But you have to draw some more. I think theres a better way though, I'm just telling you what I would have done.

For extra effect, you can have the panel where he puts the helmet on include the other two in the background, showing that when he was looking at the helmet he was in his own world and when the helmets on he's back with the others.

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>>7871731
Thanks anon. I tried moving the panels around in a way that I wouldn't need to redraw. But there was no way to make it work. I was going to delete the first panel in which he picks up the helmet and leave only the last two. But now that I'm looking at your edit, I think it would be better to put in some more work and include all three. I'm going to... to... Draw some more...

>>7871738
Its always worth it to draw more if you think the result will be better!

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>>7871738
anon learned how to read manga today

>>7869901
I don't think westerners should be allowed to work in the eastern industry.

>>7869901
>didn't comment anything about my art nor my workspeed

thats not a good sign

>>7871751
In Japanese culture, "no news is good news"

>>7871745
Because....? This isn't like they're some kind of executive with input, this is rote drawing assistant bitchwork for almost no money and no glory.

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>>7871743
I KNOW HOW TO READ!

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Alright. I think we're done now. Thanks a lot for the help guys. Specially to the anon who gave me the 3 strip idea. I didn't think I could finish redrawing it today. But you can do some really ninja stuff when you're in a hurry. Now I'll abstain from posting for a while as it's a little embarrassing to get this much attention heh.

>>7871764
looks way nicer, good job anon

>>7871761
True, but I don't want them rising the ranks. Not being hateful or anything I just want to keep the things I like the way they've been.

>>7871775
I said the same thing 20 years ago, but then the Japanese themselves ruined what I liked about their medium

>>7871777
No matter how bad anime & manga get, they'll never be as bad as the average comic & cartoon.

>>7871775
>just want to keep the things I like the way they've been
>the way they've been
>Berserk 2016 powerpoint animation
>whatever the hell that is the recent season of OPM
Um.

>>7871775
There are westerners who genuinely love anime and manga for what it is and actually want to contribute to it. Its people with "modern" sensibilities that want to neuter it and water it down/censor/change it to fit global appeal that need to be kept out.

Besides, Japan needs some help since they are being overtaken by Korea and China as far as comics go because they're stagnating too much and beholden to tired tropes like Isekai.

>>7871738
dont forget to credit anon as a co-creator!

>>7871782
Most anime doesn't look like that.
>>7871791
>There are westerners who genuinely love anime and manga for what it is and actually want to contribute to it.
That's fine. The issue is they create the stuff you see on webtoon. (Or the slop manga youtubers make.) I'm not an "Asian jeans" but I do think there's a cultural difference to consider.

They really don't need help. Besides, I rather we just improve our own industry then try to get into the asian one. Though, westerners won't animate for peanuts or stay up for three 48 hours just to complete a few pages like asians do.

>>7871806
If you think that's even close to the worst problems Western comics have, or if that would even make a blip in improving them, you know nothing about it.

>>7871809
I didn't go into detail. How could I when it's a combination of problems?

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Concept art for a palace. I tried to incorporate the Kins (pumpkin peoples) gourd houses in the design. The common house for most of the rural parts of the Kingdom is a giant gourd typically grown on the hearth tree. The hearth tree is the cental tree every town has that remains dominant till its woken up to make various items like tables, chairs, railing, etc. The towns bid for different government contracts to use their hearth tree to create various goods. It is heavily regulated. These huge central trees also continue to grow and more trees get planted/grafted to the root systems. From these trees, large structures are formed. Like this palace in the pic above.

>>7871764
Nigga you didn't fix his eye or lips like that other anon did for you in the /beg/ thread

>>7871875
He said it was only the lips. And I fixed it.

>>7871875
>>7871877
Actually, you're right. I hadn't seen more people had replied to my post.

>>7871863
you are very good at designing and drawing buldings. Looking foward to see the finished work

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>>7868585
I tried out the new panel tool in the krita test build. its actually kind of amazing.

>>7871753
>character gets a live one, boys

>>7871806
>I rather we just improve our own industry
America doesn't have a comics industry. It has comic-shaped commercials for DC and Marvel but that's not nearly as profitable as manga.

>>7871900
Mostly personal preference, but I'd go with thinner panel border lines.

>>7871764
All you need now is some line weight.

>>7871898
Thank you. I hope it turns out good. My rendering skills are iffy at best.

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>>7871927
the new tool uses the rectangle tool to make panels. its as easy as just cutting a square and it closes in automatically

>>7871949
That is pretty sick. Also makes me think
>previous page is a character about to use psycho slashing technique
>this page is just a drawing of the surprised/scared character about to get hit by the move with panel borders cutting up the picture
>next page is the character in pieces

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>>7871877
pretty sure it was more than just the lips

>>7871953
Finally some sauce. >>7871764 hope you' are taking notes. Tones don't have to always be literal, the beauty of their freedom is in their ability to evoke feelings with shapes, lines and contrast!

>>7871806
>I rather we just improve our own industry then try to get into the asian one
And I'd rather have a job today than maybe have one in a few decades if we all just try hard enough!!

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>>7871949
also the krita test build has a new text fill function for shapes. It seems devs have finally been adding basic tools for manga/comic creators recently. albeit extremely slowly

>>7872014
What is your comic called again? And where is it hosted? Trying to keep track of all the (maybe 4) anons that do semi-complicated backgrounds. Everyone here does backgrounds of some kind, (since you kind of have to in a comic to show where the characters are) but you can tell who in /mmg/ really enjoys the background work.

>>7871953
>>7871961
I genuinely don't like the way that looks. I prefer mine.

>>7871962
>>7871925
This rhetoric is why we don't have such industry.

>>7872070
>its the little peoples fault, not the multibillion dollar global media titans that we surely can boss around

>>7872014
looking great!

>>7872078
A japanese would say "ganbare!" and make their own industry. You know they didn't just move to america and start working for disney.

>>7872179
Fucking what?
The manga industry rides on the shoulders of the megacorps like Kodansha and Kadokawa. These weren't some grassroots indie groups, they are the Jap equivalents of Disney and Warner Bros.

Japanese creators are just lucky that their overlords' strategies are more amicable to small creators than ours. If their publishers decided today to steer the market into the ground like America's did, there would be nothing more the little guys over there could or would do about it than us aside from perhaps their shared cultural and ethnic bond that may be the only thing keeping their corpos from doing exactly that. And judging from recent events, that may be coming to an end soon.

>>7872201
>>7872179
There is also a major culture difference between west/east comics. In the west, comics are taken less seriously as a medium, often seen as 'superhero stuff, for kids'. In the east, manga is extremely diverse in its stories, and people of all ages read it. Westerners are also much more averse to black/white comics, meaning indie creators have a harder time doing solo projects without a colorist (or have to take spend a lot of extra time on doing color instead of writing more story).

If someone has enough capital, they could try to create a similar industry in the west, but it's extremely high risk and low reward. After all, they could simply just adapt eastern manga/anime instead for more guaranteed profits.

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>>7872028
It's a matter of taste! You are the author of your vision, after all.

>>7872026
It's true. Backgrounds aren't just a thing to me, it's where my characters live and exist. If I neglected to show that then i've failed to tell the story the best I can.

>>7872213
In my experience with readers, print manga may be selling more than Western comics in the West, but the buyers don't actually read them. They are put on a shelf as decoration while they watch the anime adaptation or just listen to some tuber summarize it. I know several people who have bought entire collections of shit like Spy x Family and haven't read past the first volume. They are fans of the "franchise" and the manga is just another piece of merchandise.

This is another reason it's an uphill battle for Western comic artists, because the quality of your story or art don't really mean much to audiences anymore, it's the power of marketing that makes a hit, much more than previous eras. If you can't get an anime adaptation, you can forget about success in the West.

>>7872215
This is nice, some of the best in the thread in fact

>>7872215
love the art style

>>7871791
japan is losing to korea and china in comics because those two countries are better at making slop. There are still plenty of interesting manga being made but interesting manga does not appeal to the rest of the world nearly as much as yaoi slop or aura slop.

>>7872070
No, the "comics are just a kids medium and it's all capeshit anyway" attitude of the masses is why.

>>7872213
>In the east, manga is extremely diverse in its stories
>isekai, shonen, boys love
Well that's more than just superheroes at least so I guess you're right
>Westerners are also much more averse to black/white comics
Is that why manga does gangbusters in the west?
>>7872225
>I know several people
Anecdotal evidence isn't admissible in a court of anons.

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>>7872028
I get the "appeal" of the change cuz the eyes of your male characters are tiny and they just look like Boomhauer. the changed ones are more proportional and make the character look younger. maybe the emotion isnt being conveyed correctly (even though the original just looks completely stonefaced. and the changed one looks more pensive)

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>>7872278
I don't think there's a way to shake them off of that stance. "Comics are for kids because comics are for kids because comics are for kids because comics are for kids" etc etc etc etc etc ad infinitum and it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

both industries have their problems, but japan at least gave us amazing stories at the cost of some human lives.

Corporations like marvel and DC don't want interesting stories because then they'd have to pay the artists what they deserve or risk the artist going solo. They want money, so they decided to squeeze comics by making them stay in the same few stories and marketing them to kids for merchendise.
Japan decided to squeeze manga for every yen they could by finding great artists and working them like slaves until they drop. They at least allowed the artists to write their own stories, so its a little better. But now we're in the industry plant era where dogshit like CSM gets pushed as they prepare for a post one-piece world.

>>7872283
>isekai, shonen, boys love
Try reading manga that's not out of a shonen magazine.
>Is that why manga does gangbusters in the west?
No, it's why the comic industry in the west is almost entirely in color. Manga does well in the west only among weebs and anime watchers.

>>7872213
Please write USA when you mean the USA. My european hellhole has plenty of indie comics festivals and comics are fairly respected as an artform of their own to deal with any subject.

>>7872295
Irrelevant

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>>7872285
don't forget comics and manga still involve reading...


...and please don't ask about the state of literature

>>7872285
It's time you nerds learn to write books like real ADULT men, not manchildren playing with crayons.

>>7872284
>and make the character look younger
That's one of the issues I have with it. He looks younger and a little feminine.

>>7872297
At this point it would amaze me if anybody is reading any comic at all in 10 years. The amount of illiteracy seems to be going up every single year and even if that weren't, everybody's attention spans seem to be getting fried. Reading a simple comic chapter is going to be considered a laudatory achievement at some point.

>>7872301
Disagree. It makes him more appealing and expressive like a real character.
>>7872284
Boomhauer is an apt comparison. The art in KotH was not good, and the show was carried on the voice cast, which you do not have.

>>7872302
>alphoomers are going to have a trend eventually about "rawdogging" a whole 30 pages without looking at their phone or second tablet more than twice per page

>>7872301
Third party anon jumping in, I have to disagree as a potential reader. He looks way more appealing to engage with as a character in the redo. It's your comic in the end of course, but I'm just giving you my initial eyeballs' impression when contrasting the two.

never be afraid to draw detailed or emoting eyes, so much emotion is in our eyes and it will improve your story without needing words.

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>>7872301
>eyelash trim

probably because whoever edited gave the guy massive eyelashes. but I mean no one expects every young man to be the Marlboro Man. It even gives you the opportunity to change the guys appearence as the story progresses

>>7872201
The doujin scene is pretty strong at least. Even in your hypothetical those events are attended well enough to still warrant participation from small creators. In contrast places like LA where they are advertised as artist havens theres no real local strong market for small times creators(except some niche stores that are scattered about)

>>7872323
Not just eyes, but there are many other subtleties in nonverbal communication such as slight hand gestures, body language, how characters react to one another through subtle movements, how people carry themselves, etc.

But many people have problems just properly constructing the body with correct proportions, never mind slight or subtle differences from character to character to really define them more.

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>>7872323
Personally, I don't really like the way expressions are done in most anime/manga. To me, the more subtle the better.

>>7872325
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>>7872323
>>7872315
>>7872304
this place is now worse then a reddit art hugbox. this is legitimately knowledgeable anons wasting their time on a someone who has proven time and time again across /ic/ to be a talentless retard. what the fuck are you guys doing?

>>7872390
You clearly have never been on Reddit. They are way worse than /ic/.

>>7872390
because you think helping people costs you something and that you need to get something in return. Whereas it takes me ten seconds to look at someone comic and give my thoughts

>>7872294
>Manga does well in the west
And it's doing better than comics, cope your way out of that.

>>7872390
>wasting their time
I contribute from time to time when I'm taking a mental 5 min break from drawing. It's not that often.
>proven time and time again across /ic/ to be a talentless retard
He drew worse before, he draws better now. I like seeing people get better. Barring a few very select anons who don't seem like they like making comics (or even drawing as a hobby at all) to begin with, everybody here is doing more and more advanced things. I like going to an /mmg/ anon's work and compare their first and most recent chapters. Oftentimes there is a very marked improvement.

>>7872390
What, exactly, do you think these threads are for if not to post work and get/give feedback, critique, and criticism on other people's work?

And even at that, what is with this weird, recent trend of people just casting a net and mass replying to a bunch of posts, some of which are completely unrelated? I posted this >>7872350 and it was generalized info in regard to another post and not directed at anyone's work in particular. It wasn't even directed at the guy drawing the space dude.

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>>7872432
Altarusia anon, I am going to confess I am having a hard time trying to understand what is going on here, especially since the bottom left panel seems to be flipped 90 degrees.

>>7872433
It will make sense after I put the expository dialogue

>>7872431
>weird, recent trend
It's not weird or recent, it's shitposting and people should have just ignored that dude.

>>7872301
Not that I draw guys with huge lashes myself, but men irl have longer lashes than women.

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>>7872390
anons are barely posting anything as it is. I dont have much to choose from besides sitting here staring at a dying thread

>>7872441
>anons are barely posting anything as it is.
There's nothing wrong with a slow thread. /mmg/ is normally pretty slow. People are drawing.

>>7872026
It's not hosted anywhere yet and it also doesn't have a name yet, sorry.

>>7872432
your panels are all wonky

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Retard here, in this page the sfx it's rumble if im not mistaken, if you were to this in english would you write rumble each time like this page or just 1 word going vertically/angled ???
also is it cringe if i put the text vertically sometimes?

>>7872460
I would simply not put in any SFX at all were it my comic. I won't use Japanese SFX because I'm not Japanese, but I sure as hell won't use english SFX either. If I had to though, then I'd just write rumble a few times.

>>7872070
That's nice buddy, but many people have tried this "let's just make our own industry good" thing and it's still shit. It isn't from a lack of trying. There are many factors at play, it isn't as simple as just giving it an honest shot.
Comics are hard enough to make money with even in japan. It's hardly taking the easy road, it's just going where there is still a road.
In any case, practice what you preach.

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>>7872465
yeah i feel the same about using jap sfx, but i feel like most of the time it doesnt work that well when is written in english as it kinda litters the page with too much text or it doesnt look that good, pic related it doesnt look good imo.

>>7872460
If I was writing this in english I probably just wouldn't have sfx like that at all. It doesn't work the same. ゴゴゴ does not have an english equivalent, just writing "rumble" is only a description of what it's depicting, not the sound itself. Plus it doesn't convey the ominous feeling that ゴゴゴ conveys at all. You can't view sfx as being 1:1 between languages, and if you try to transpose a japanese style of sfx into your english-language comics it's going to feel off.

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>>7872473
its truly over....

>>7872460
>>7872469
Its because as a native English speaker (or really proficient in it) your mind immediately recognizes them as words and text to be read. For a lot of people who don't know Japanese (or really, most Asian languages are like this) the actual characters are so far removed from romantic languages, that the actual text just sort of fades into the background as design elements.

I use relatively small sound effects, but large English letters just become a distraction for most people.

>>7872475
What KAPOW do you mean BAM? You don't think CRACK that these large english KABOOM sfx words are totally non-distracting CRUNCH to the readership SCREECH?

>>7872307
When was the last time anyone here read at least 30 pages of a comic or book without letting yourselves be distracted by something on your phone in-between reading?

>>7872477
Me last week....? 30 pages, especially if it's something that's super light like a comic, doesn't take a long time at all. I'm not trying to count the hairs on the main character's head, here.

>>7872460
If it seemed appropriate, I would try to capture what the actual sound might be
>grrrrnnn
>krmmble
Stuff like that

>>7872460
It doesnt matter how much we try to make our onomatopeas good ,it will never reach the same aesthetic of the japanese. Sad.

>>7872477
I can pick up several volumes of a manga and read them all at once, back to back, with no distractions. If it is a particularly good story, the only distraction may literally be me going down to the book store to pick up more to read, or hunting the manga down online to read more.

>>7872468
>many people have tried this "let's just make our own industry good" thing and it's still shit
Only because the people trying didn't make good enough stories

>>7872476
Those were from comics made for kids. Well I guess OPM is too, but they do kids media different down there.

>>7872476
This post is the result of GOGOGOGOGO someone who has to make comics in JIRIRIRIRIRIRI~ English because that's all he speaks, but has never read a single DONDON English language comic and got all his knowledge of them from 70s-era HYOOOOOOOOO memes.

>>7872480
Problem is, we don't have a universally understood onomotopeia for an ominous feeling, like ゴゴゴ is. We only really have onomotopeia for literal sounds, not so much concepts. The sfx in that drawing is not describing the sound it's making but the feeling it's evoking.

>>7872484
I'm not better than those who have tried. I'm not going to kid myself. If the best alpinists in the world can't scale this mountain, why would I, an amateur in comparison, think I have a chance?

>>7872477
Yesterday. You sound like you feel attacked.

>>7872492
I am. I can't draw for 5 minutes without checking my phone to see if one of the 5 to 10 threads I have up have moved an inch or if I get an idea for a post to make while drawing or any other excuse to look at my phone.

>>7872497
Me. are we brain damaged from lead or what

>>7872490
That's a good point, English is more literal or at least the way we use it is more literal.

>>7872498
For me it's ADHD and online being my main source of social interaction.

>>7872490
Likely comes from Kabuki tradition, and I would say kabuki theater is much more like a live action comic book than a movie or cartoon is thanks to the pacing, scene framing and overall limitation of the stage forcing creative solutions to convey ideas

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Gonna start chapter 19 tomorrow. Hoping to finish the cover and 2 pages this week. :)

>>7869901
Where do you even look for gigs like these? Is knowing Japanese required or do some of these artists speak English too?

>>7872585
NTA but ganmo.
I wouldn't count on anybody knowing english. You might not necessarily need to SPEAK japanese, but you'll probably need to be able to understand written instructions.

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>>7872538
Read the first arc till the football battle. Your comic is really fun to read, your humor reminds me a bit of my own. Lets see how things will turn. Also peter design reminds me law hero. Honestly I like how your characters looked more simple there, Im still not used to how "bimbo" they look now in your recent artstyle.

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>>7872477
it is supposed to be completely typical to read a book for hours straight

>>7872477
I can't. Not because of a low attention span, but because I'm anxious about wasting my time as an adult and need to catch up to my peers after wasting my life.

>>7872477
I never had that problem and I have insane ADHD

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>>7872598
Crazy that I popped my ultimate ability with this page. It gets posted every time someone does a read through of the early stuff

>I like how your characters looked more simple there, I'm still not used to how "bimbo" they look now in your recent artstyle.
I definitely want some better balance with how the characters look/act. The sexual element has its place, but it's not supposed to be so indulgent. I've been constantly readjusting upcoming character designs because I'm unsure how far I want to go with certain characters.

Some characters are drawn differently now because I wasn't drawing them as intended before. Medli used to look a lot skinnier because I couldn't draw fat people well.

>>7872477
I've been rereading Vagabond and Death on the Nile. I usually read with music on which you could consider a distraction.

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>>7872598
You know what, and I'm glad at least someone can enjoy it because I didn't.

>>7872014
Nice, I really dig your hatching!

What screentones do you guys use on CSP

>>7872889
screentones are gay

>>7872971
Being gay is based and anti-establishment

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>>7872980
>gay is anti-establishment

is that what you cretins are telling yourselves these days? being a fag is safest most normie shit in the world now lol

>>7873024
>>>/v/

Tips for drawing action scenes?

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>>7872889
I made my own at the size of my pages (or bigger) and saved it as a file that I use as needed. I find it easier than a brush because you dont need 5 extra brushes clogging your toolbar, just use clipping to cut out shapes from the tone layer.

You can make screentones by scratch easily and you probably want to create a set that you will use forever so you save yourself time. I found this guide a long time ago and I tried to make three screentone sheets that match the 10%, 20%, and 70%

Or you can download screentone brushes from the csp shop, this looks alright https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=2009924

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This isn't perfect, but I'm beginning to actually enjoy how my art looks (after leaving it to cool a few days - I always hate my art after I've just finished it)
If I keep applying myself and drawing smartly, I might be able to make something really good.

>>7873053
keep it up!

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>>7872889
This is how I do most of my toning.

>>7872215
What's the name of your comic again? I was reading it then I forgor to bookmark it..

>>7873303
Nigga dey all chinese

>>7873303
>kusou! that mountain is fuzzy!
>fuzzy?!
>yeah, like a goddamn chia pet!
>quick we gotta run back to town and tell everyone, they gotta see this!

>>7873303
Great motion and camera angles.

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>>7873301
ty for asking, City of The Sun
cityofthesun.cfw.me

>>7873494
not them, but i started reading, and this is so good. this is very rare for me, but i really like the whole cast, they’re all just so well written. and i fell a little in love with manny. his expressions are wonderful. i was trying to think how it felt, and experiencing it feels a little like i’ve gotten the treat of stumbling on a very early lost naoki urasawa serial with a dash of hellsing. also backgrounds mean so much to me too, in experiencing the world where your characters live. i’m so glad you craft them so thoughtfully and beautifully in tandem with your people. seriously fantastic work.

>>7873519
Aw, y'ain't gotta gas me up...
Since the setting is down to earth and not a "fantasy" world, the challenge was in making it feel distinct. Immersion is important to me, so I made sure that even allegorical set pieces weren't just something like a "wacdonalds"- I felt like even they should have their own world specific counterpart. It's a small thing I think matters a lot. The amount of lore this story gets mindboggling and sometimes I feel like i'm balancing several grenades on the tip of my nose.

>>7873564
christ that’s cool..
i keep drawing my favorite characters from a series that sucked me in a couple years ago and have completely deep-dived into the world which was so vivid and alive it’s not released me from exploring it, yet. there’s just so much..and you can go as intricate as you like.
and this is just me trying through a thousand pieces to understand someone else’s world-building, it’s crazy there’s someone here who is actually with that same attentiveness and care in the author’s seat, summoning up one of these whole wholly unique world-things that’s swallowed me for years. arghh it’s just too cool.
>haha sorry i’ll not bug you any more, i know responding takes up drawing time

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>>7873494
whats your gutter size?

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>>7873581
I had to stop myself from somehow mentioning anything about Breaking Bad twice, and now I failed. BWOOOOWWW

>>7873617
1-1.3 cm for large gutters, .4 mm for small ones. There isn't really a standard other than going wide for horizontals and thin for verticals, it seems like everyone kinda just fudges it in their own way? Same with border width.

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>>7873634
those are the same as mine. i just copied dragonballs dimensions. this format just plain looks better. I dont care if mine never gets printed (and takes way longer to make) it still looks legit.

>>7873494
This is genuinely excellent. It's very rare to see someone who can both draw and write well.
Have you put any thought into print publishing? Not that I'd know where to start with that.

>>7873647
It just works.

>>7873764
I wanted to make some copies for myself, maybe for my friends if they ask (one book through mixam sits around 50$) I haven't taken the jump even though I think things should turn out okay I get weird cold feet about doing the whole thing, I'm a shut in hermit. It's also a vanity project so I don't have any goals doing anything that would take me away from it including becoming a serial author or anything like that, this is also the reason I haven't put much more into any of my other side projects. And then even after the story is done there are plans for spinoffs so i'm not getting out of this chair so to speak. It's all fine. I'm more or less resigned to staying small time, so long as the books still end up in my hands one day I don't care how they get there I'll be over the moon.

>>7873826
>(one book through mixam sits around 50$)

Bro, that's dumb to get just one printed. At minimum you should get like 50 printed. I think there are also way better options for just getting single books printed. You could go through Ka-Blam/Indyplanet, or (more preferably) Comix Wellspring.

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>>7873952
yooooo these should be included in the thread copypaste. i just stopped working for the day now I suddenly wanna keep going

>>7873955
I imagine they never got added because people here are often more interested in just getting their foot in the door to a place where they're going to get their works in Japanese publications.

For some, it is probably more likely to just print your stuff on your own, depending on what you want to do with it.

You should look up which places print via offset printing, and which do print-on-demand. The latter is generally for lower quantity, like if you want to print like, 1 or 10 or 20 or whatever copies, for you and/or your friends. Offset printing is more for larger volume, often really only getting big discounts if you're printing hundreds or even thousands of copies of a book. I wouldn't even print at Mixam unless you want to print at least a couple hundred copies.

Ka-Blam/Indyplanet is probably the best if you just want a copy or two, but I think Comix Wellsprings seems to be the go-to printer for comics like this these days. Their minimum is only 20 copies, and when I just dump in numbers like a 200-page black and white manga dimensions book, it is only about $10 per book. Anyway, when I start to get my books done, this is who I plan on using because they seem like the best.

The only other one I'd even consider is Printninja, but they were originally based out of China, but I think they have US facilities now, so they might be a lot easier to deal with if problems arise.

You can also get free packets/samples from almost all of these self publishing companies for things like paper weight, how color looks on certain paper, etc, so you can hold physical samples, pages, and examples in your hands to see how they look.

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