>>7869156
Hard to say, it seems like there's a lot of disinformation on this topic, and people tend to stay in their own bubble.
For example, I've heard that AI was both had no critical impact on any industry, nor caused any significant job losses in any particular profession, AND that AI has had major impact on the job market, and has basically caused the inevitable death of many jobs... so which is it? They can't both be simultaneously true, now can they?

So any excessive amount of hopeium or doomerism needs to be treated with a good level of skepticism, because the truth is probably in the middle; it's not going anywhere, we're all going to have to bite the bullet and start using it at some point, but it's not really destroying any jobs either (just making them even more competitive).

This is assuming there isn't some astronomical level economic crash that essentially poisons AI as a business idea, because based on how bad I've heard the circle-jerk bubble has gotten (probably that hopeium/doomerism I was talking about), it sounds like we're all going to be hit hard by it.

Regardless, at this point and time, AI doesn't seem to have made the splash in the art world that the AI evangelicals were prophesying, because it's well beyond two week deadline, and that shit still mostly sucks.
There's No real cool AI art that people admire (outside of gooners),
No cool AI comics,
No decent AI animation,
No good AI videogames,
Nothing generated of any cultural significance.
The most culturally significant thing AI has done is rallied people together to hate on AI.

>>7869156
In a sense. There are now lots of hacks and liars who pretend to be artists while covering up sloppy parts.
Good AI detection tools can't come soon enough.

>>7869163
>In a sense. There are now lots of hacks and liars who pretend to be artists while covering up sloppy parts.
Yeah and people actually make AI games for steam for example.

But...it's still a "nothingburger". None of the value was lost.
1) those people weren't going to buy your art anyways because they are poor and hacks
2) those shitty AI games would be using stolen works anyways if it wasnt AI
not that much of a difference

Sure there are some youtube/tiktok channels but we had shitty brainrot before like spiderman and elisa or AMOGUS garbage videos. Poor people just trying all ways to get some money. They not affecting actual artist by making a brainrot stuff. Their followers are dumb and werent going to consume your art content anyways to begin with.

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>>7869162
>No cool AI comics,
>No decent AI animation,
>No good AI videogames,
The main problem with AI is that the AI community is the same as the NFT and crypto trading communities that jumped on the next hype bubble.
These people are only interested in money and have never had an idea or a sincere desire to create.

it's the same 30+ something baseball cap and hoodie wearing techbro-loser.
And it's like the 90% of AI-community.
It's going nowhere. They just milking it untill it will die.

Actual creators have no interest in ai.
AI is just another "qucik buck" scheme.
Don't get me wrong - AI will stay.
it's basically a robot-helper for a normie. But i think we will be fine.

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>>7869156
This is already the peak of AI, and everyone hatesit

Once the AI bubble pops, every single pAIjeet would have to resort back to Dal-e

Just wait for Gen Alpha to become sentient consoomers.

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>>7869173
>that hand-drawn NFT
i genuinely liked those obscure NFT collections drawn by actual artists - it was before AI came out and ruined it
it felt lik artists had a lot of fun drawing all kinds of crazy shit with different styles

I know NFTs are hated but those artists got paid and this was basically and INDIE-ART field for them to have fun

>>7869156
I'm afraid it's just getting started. Some actual artists do seem to just embrace it(for pay?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCk5VFKKz08
https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/google-deepmind/dear-upstairs-neighbors/
Human artists are still involved in the process, but clearly as it improves less and less skill is needed, less staff, as the models get better.

It's not. We're literally at the point where it's we either shove AI everywhere and become and AI economy, or war with the world. Those are literally the options right now. I wish I was exaggerating. I'm not. It's all according to China's plans.

>>7869195
china is funding the sillicon valley techbros that keep sucking out trillions of dollars from the US gov?

>>7869162
>No cool AI comics,
>No decent AI animation,
>No good AI videogames
that's the baffling part, and I can't tell if it's the technology or the users
there are people making interesting AI generated music, and while it's extremely derivative, they find a niche that nobody does and it's conceptually interesting (and there's something about hearing a high production tackling themes nobody sane would come near)
but there's absolutely nothing even remotely good for visual/literary storytelling (lyrics being retarded is also the biggest tell for AI music to an unmitigated pleb like me)
meanwhile, everyone is saying we have like 3 to 5 years to become elite specialists before AI kills all jobs in general, not even art specifically, and I just can't see it

>>7869196
He's a retard, but technically China is the reason the US gubmint keeps dumping hundreds of billions into AI, the boomers are really scared of China overtaking AI, chips etc

>>7869196
No no no. It's more like the US in a catch 22. China tailoring its image on the world stage as the new super power of stability, whereas the US's image is being tainted as one of chaotic instability where even our closest historic allies are in our crosshairs. China's attempts to strike deals with Canada while simultaneously calling for peace and the maintaining of order through the UN while doing things like firing all of their old generals in favor of younger ones show that they're setting up for not only becoming the leader of the new era, but a war.

Our economy is being propped up by AI. It's literally a circle jerk session that's trying to outpace the destabilization of our presence in the world. Data centers, infrastructure, units being sold before they're even produced. It's all a race against implosion. The US has to depend on private sector innovation because we have no other viable means of competing against China, a country that's become a manufacturing behemoth. A country has a high curated image and absolute control of what enters and exits its gates both online and offline.

The end result being our government giving up a lot of its power to these tech giants our of necessity.
>>7869200
This guy doesn't understand the US has no actual chips on the table and Donald Trump's petulant demands that are quickly walked back is proof of how while we do have influence, consumption is nowhere near as powerful as manufacturing. So that's why AI is being ridden so hard. AI IS a bubble, and it's a bubble that our country's future is tied to. It's literally a juggling act right now.

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>>7869181
>only two more weeks, saar
>two more weeks and the models will get better and then it will be too late for artist to redeem saar u must do it now before too late
I would very kindly and gently like to remind everyone in this thread that they have been saying this exact same shit for the last four years.

>>7869201
so what you're saying is we have to thank the US for AI slop spam and AI surveillance in the future because the US can't keep up with the chinks at their own game

>>7869207
I used to say the same, mocking the 2 weeks etc. then AI video hit. the thing we all said was impossible, the thing experts said was impossible. in 2 years we went from garbage to videos you can't tell from reality.

>>7869208
Two other times I can think of throughout history that are very similar to this are the railroads being created and the dot-com boom, we're literally living through another one of those, even if the actual product is shit. Railroads were being built everywhere because there was more money being poured in than actual demand. "The infrastructure is too important not to build even if it fucks everyone over", that's what their logic is and then you have the grifters that are just here for the ride lining their pockets. The shovel sellers if you will. What worries me is that they're actually coming out and acknowledging that the demand isn't there and that it is indeed a bubble. While it's good because fuck these jews, it's also going to have negative consequences

>>7869210
They're betting on it popping so they can hit the public with the 'ol nigger jew special

Public bailoutoro
Bagah holduru no jutsu

>>7869156
2 MORE WEEKS

>>7869156
As someone who tried using AI I can say AI will cut some art related jobs or cut their hours, meaning less demand for people for that job.
E.g. Graphic designers making ads and low level consumer focused art are and will be less required than before. Coom artists are and will get less commissions, unless they have a really good and distinctive art style, etc.
Essentially, the art jobs and gigs that can be replaced either entirely or significantly by using AI will lose artists, and whoever replaces them (prompters) will generate sloppier slop for a fraction of the cost.

But other than that? Art made by humans will continue to thrive. Thousands of new people will continue getting hooked to drawing (or other crafts) ever year and thus there will always be new original art, regardless of what slop AI generates.
Also high level porn artists will never be replaced by AI because AI can't consistently generate a comic, and even still AI images look extremely generic no matter how you train it.
And they'll keep getting commissions too, since most people don't generate AI images locally (it requires a beast of a PC) and online AIs like Grok are censored to hell and back thanks to Karens. Gotta thank the prude harpies for that.

>>7869181
>I'm afraid it's just getting started. Some actual artists do seem to just embrace it(for pay?)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCk5VFKKz08 [Embed]
what is that garbage slop

And i see comments shitting on it mostly.
NOBODY likes AI except people who want MONEY

>>7869220
>AI will cut some art related jobs
JUST TWO MORE WEEKS!!!

>>7869209
Yuh huh, sure you did. And sure they are. They still don't seem to be doing anything more with AI videos than shitposts, and in general people seem to be getting bored with the new toy. If it were so great then the two weeks posting still wouldn't be here just the same as ever, now would it, Ranjeet?

>>7869220
Grok can't even generate bikini pictures of anime women with big tits. It's so cucked it's unbelievable. And other online AIs have also cucked or will cuck sooner than later.
Porn artists have nothing to fear.

>we won
no we lost. You gave an excuse for capitalists to further stricken the copyright laws and governments to implement id verification on the internet
and for what? to win an imaginary internet war?
honestly this whole shit makes you into a misanthrope.

>>7869227
>AI images are just the start soon we'll have video
>"2 more weeks"
>We have shitty video now but before you know it it will be amazing
>"2 more weeks"
>Video is was a stepping stone, we now have realtime playable AI generated worlds, though pretty crappy for now
>"2 more weeks"(you are here)
>Realtime AI worlds in VR is a whole new medium, it's like lucid dreaming with your eye open...

>>7869234
>2 more weeks
oughta be
>2 more trillion bucks

>>7869162
why do you guys care about jebs so much? like seriously only "danger" ai presents to art is loss of jobs thats it. Is it just slave mentality where if we automate a job that's associated with art, art itself literally stops existing?
>nooo i need my 9-5
said nobody ever
>disinformation
this whole anti ai stuff has to be some kind of capitalist plot to hide/distract the fact that ai literally ends capitalism so they astounding this whole anti ai movement to temporarily paralyze the working class while they are trying to build a new economic system where they will still be at the top

>>7869254
>ai literally ends capitalism
and transitions into techno feudalism

>>7869261
it doesnt have to be like that we can have 300$ playstations again we can do it
you have 2 options: realize that capitalism is over and fight for a better future or be an anti-ai/techbro faggot and own nothing.

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>It's not usable in an actual professional project that is serious

I think you could use it for special effects and stuff. Take those MCU fight scenes where everything is constantly exploding and shitting out particles, maybe instead of having to bake that in Blender and put it in the shot in hours you could have the AI give it a try first, even if it works 10% of the time that's something like a month of work done in a couple hours.

>>7869156
as a person that use AI i can say that you are totally wrong.
It can be used, and it is, in professional projects, a lot, by the people that are actually artists so they already know their shit.
The main problem in terms of social and the development of knowledge is that you have this weird "re-adjustment" of workflows, when in one extreme you have totally permabegs trying to cope the use of AI because they can't integrate the workflow correctly in any way, and in the other you have the pros that can, and do it mostly for speed up a shit ton some key parts of their workflow.
Take a simple example, a advanced-pro drawfag already know how to draw and have a consistent "style", so, he can train a lora in his style based on the plenty of consistent works that already has, and now he can just img2img a fast sketch and boom!, he has now a complete rendered drawing, that he do not new to use at the final work, but he can use as a 1:1 reference,so by just avoiding to think in all the minor things of the painting process, now he has a x2 speed gain easily, so he can do that to double his online presence while taking more time to do more commissions for exmaple. That's just one example that you have zero, no way, of detect, but there is plenty of artists that are already doing it.
Sprite generation, assets, backgrounds, image sequences, producing multiple variations of images, there are plenty of methods that already work and are incorporated in pro's workflows, not in yours, because you wil take more time "fixing" the things because your lack of technique, but for the ones who know, yeah they are making speeed this years.
And i'm not even mentioning all the design related jobs, the speed gain is insane there.
I myself as a coom artist have gained at least double the clients, not because of improved quality, but because now i can make x2 works, so is x2 the money in the same amount of time.
About video generation i know nothing honestly so cant give an opinion

Running the ai at scale is literally impossible, it cannot be sustained. That's enough of a reason to discount it, because it simply won't exist "in this form," at all, in as little as a year. Soon, the floor will be the 200 dollar a month Claude or Chat GPT plans, then they'll wonder why they're failing, they'll fail, and Google Gemini will be the only shitbot left, until that gets shuttered in about 2029. People are going to look back at this 7~ year period from 2022-29/30 just in awe of the stupidity.

>>7869276
Not reading this shit because I know your stupid ass has literally 0 things to show; no ai comic, no ai games, no ai stories, nothing, kys

>>7869278
You can run AI at home that is better than the cutting edge of 2 years ago. I don't see why we wont have similar reductions in power requirements again...

>>7869295
>You can run AI at home that is better than the cutting edge of 2 years ago.
yeah just buy a 90000000 dolleridoes PC bro. it's that easy :^)

>>7869156
It's not failing, it's just the pro AI side promised the moon. The current system is geared towards artists and is basically run on "I know a guy, who knows a guy" instead of raw talent so it was a bit follows to assume they would be just handed the jobs on the spot. That being said it's weird that outside of porn and a few flash in the pans no one on the AI side wants to make something beyond pretty pictures or meme edits.

>>7869296
Qwen 2.5 72B
Llama 3.3 70B
DeepSeek-R1
all run on a mac studio

>>7869300
A bit foolish*

>>7869207
We're in the 86th week of AIsloppa running our lives

>>7869226
You should just read a little bit more of his post.

>>7869234
>Metaverse failed
VR chat was better and hell Gmod offered a similiar experience
What experience are you trying to offer thats not a do it yourself guide

>>7869276
What i find useful with AIslop is
>train lora of my own characters (i've managed to train on as low as 5 images. Seriously)
>then make an A or T-pose of that character
>get some online img-to-3d for a quick shitty simple 3d model of that character
>rig it or just auto rig it
>now i can import it to blender and pose them in any pose or angle i want
>screenshot the scene with that character and use depthmap for img2img. Can just import the color image as well but not needed.
>now i have a quick and dirty way of having tons of reference to my own characters in any pose and angle i want
>or if im seriously lazy or making a manga i can just draw over it lol

But eh, still requires firing up blender or like back in the DesignDoll days. DesignDoll's rigs are much better so they're easier to pose lol. Posing in blender would take just as much time as just drawing manually.

>>7869301
Why would you run local LLMs. They're all inferior to the online versions and even uncensored isn't really that great in quality

>>7869197
>I can't tell if it's the technology or the users
Little of column A, little of column B.
Most of the people championing AI are people who never would have touched any artistic otherwise, because they never had anything to say. AI didn't suddenly give voice to people who could not otherwise say anything - if they had, they would've gotten into art a long time ago.
And the AI is only really good at delivering middle of the road shit. Anything out of the way or not like existing material becomes a massive pain in the ass to make, if it can be done at all. And those people who didn't have anything to say anyways? They aren't going to sit there and fiddle with it to get through the hard bits. If they were willing to do that, they would've taken up a creative pursuit earlier.
Instead AI generation is basically a gatcha game at this point. It's great for people with short attention spans and patience, and lot of them like to pretend they aren't just dopamine addled junkies, they like to play at being "artists," but it's really just a shiny thing that isn't nearly as useful as they would like you to believe.

>>7869316
As I said in the post before that, yesterday's cutting edge AI runs at home, so tomorrow's likely will too. That is if consumer hardware doesn't go extinct!

>>7869233
Authoritarian governance is literally what America voted for and Trump is giving it to them. At least, the retarded ones. The people who care about agency either don't participate in the the elections at all, vote for third parties out of spite, or live off the grid. Quite frankly every country is starting to just follow China's example of having a highly monitored and control vacuum of an internet. It's the only way to combat the new modern warfare that is waged through soft influence via things like short form video content.

>>7869329
Yeah it's called cognitive warfare and is an actual term recognized by our special agencies. The psyop memes and schizo shit is rooted in reality

>>7869327
How's them gpu and ram costs btw

>>7869314
>>7869276
These. It's always insane how desperate people are to cope that AI is dead. They cling to doomer reddit headlines put out by media outlets controlled by the very same billionaires funding these projects. Meanwhile the amount of AI use in all industries is steadily increasing, while ignorant begs living in a bubble think AI use is just "type prompt gen img", we're witnessing increasing amounts of AI work replacing human work just in the art/photo industry.

>more "Actual Indians" SEO poisoning
OP is playing the victim to seed a keyword and distort search engine outcomes. You retards are getting baited.

>>7869156
I feel the best opposite is true

>>7869156
all they had to do was make some great art/media with AI and nobody could do it. Not in 3 years.

The only thing AI has successfully taken over is ragebait, people are making AI ragebait videos and youtube is 50% AI crap now.

>>7869343
OK anon and piracy back stronger than ever. I hope they'll enjoying wanting to do all this for free

>>7869156
Ai basically over promised and under delivered. Yes it has made great advancements and replace real talent in favour of derivative slop on many sectors. However this replacement came with a heavy price of deep mistrust and outright rejection of the products people would've other wise engaged and consume otherwise. Also the pro Ai people aren't buying ai subscriptions themselves, they're just consuming the what the slop factory middle men is making. Ai is basically digital windows shopping when it should've been as impactful as the transition from radio to TV . This will why Ai has very quickly become a bubble. Ai of this money and energy is being siphoned on a consumer base that is ambivalent at best on a good day. Not an a nothing burger, but a cooked patty with ketchup but nothing structural or tasty enough to hold it together for people to truly enjoy.

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>>7869300
>That being said it's weird that outside of porn and a few flash in the pans no one on the AI side wants to make something beyond pretty pictures or meme edits.
It's not really that weird. Creative people didn't need AI to make creative things, they simply used the tools that already existed - digital editing software, photography, instruments, audio software, etc. Artists might use AI, but it's just another tool of many, not an end-point. AI fanatics - real true believers in the AI project - tend to be consumers who consume. They're not creative and usually just want porn, and lots of it immediately. Why would they make art with it instead of stuff to jack off to, when they didn't make art before?

>>7869389
>all they had to do was make some great art/media with AI and nobody could do it. Not in 3 years.
>>7869173
>The main problem with AI is that the AI community is the same as the NFT and crypto trading communities that jumped on the next hype bubble.
>These people are only interested in money and have never had an idea or a sincere desire to create.
>it's the same 30+ something baseball cap and hoodie wearing techbro-loser.
>And it's like the 90% of AI-community.
>It's going nowhere. They just milking it untill it will die.

AI-fags are too dumb and souless to do anything
Anti AI-fags will never use AI
Art - fags will never use AI because AI goes against the process. for me the final product is not as important asthe process and AI stealing that from me
AI-faggots will never understand this part so real art will never die

>>7869156
yeah the moral/creative panic over ai was always overblown. at absolute worst the end result is what we're seeing, so more slop. you do need a sense of taste to create good content. artists (writers, drawers, musicians, etc.) form that taste through deliberate practice, refining their sense of "taste" (or sovl) through trial, error, focusing on things that really enjoy them and bringing in rich details, etc. ai sloppers do not have that

AI isn't dead nor does it the mean the end of the world for art jobs. its just going to make the productive way more productive and filter the emotionally incontinent into low level jobs forever

no rules just tools

You are talking to a chatbot.

>>7869173
AI is literally democratizing art you faggot

>>7869414
I realized I don't have taste or creativity and can be easily replaced by slop machine so you're right

>>7869428
>it's just going to...
AI is always "just going to", it never "has".

>>7869278
>People are going to look back at this 7~ year period from 2022-29/30 just in awe of the stupidity.
It's no wonder billionaires look at us like gullible roaches when we eat up whatever propaganda they put out and somehow think we're smarter than them for it. After the 2008 mortgage crisis, the plebs still haven't learned that the billionaires NEVER lose. We still delude ourselves into complacency with these brainless "AI IS LOSING MONEY!!!" headlines

The people backing these projects own the politicians and the financial groups. They will NEVER lose money in the end because the taxpayers will somehow shoulder the burden as usual, just like with the mortgage crisis. But yeah let's just sit back and enjoy the downfall of AI, all while billionaires continue to buy up more data centers and politicians. Instead of galvanizing around politicians who will try to fight for us, we just let the status quo continue to fuck us in the ass while we think "ahha everything will work out in the end, we're so much smarter than the dozen PhD think tanks the billionaires have on payroll".

>>7869446
>AI is literally democratizing art you faggot
you are literally pajeet or poorfag techfag

>>7869462
>Piracy is always morally correct
Elon, and Zuckerberg aren't as smart as you think they are niggerman

>>7869446
Can we democratize racism to finally give everyone an Nword pass

>>7869156
>It's not usable in an actual professional project that is serious and not some weird quick buck bullshit.
The people behind Sonic were found to have used AI twice, once for a comic cover and once for movie concept art. Several high-profile games contain AI assets, two of which are Expedition 33 (whose world art was partially AI-generated) and some recent shooter game (Call of Duty?). Nintendo continues to use AI for marketing. What you're seeing is AI becoming normalized, and as it gets better, people's negative sentiments toward it will mellow and it'll become harder to spot as the tech improves.
>I see people instantly hating on AI and shittin in the comments of ai-spottet place.
Leftists expressing impotent rage on the internet has done very little to curb anything but the most obvious uses of AI, and even that will pass. I'm not seeing what you're seeing at all.

this artist vs ai thing is so retarded, bunch of idiots punching air
i draw, i love to draw, i do it all the time, i also love ai and wanna see what it could achieve, give it two months and it'll make an entire movie in two minutes, i've even used it to improve my art's "appeal" cause you can't deny AI can do things way better by now

>>7869327
I still don't find local LLMs that useful unless they can webcrawl effectively

>>7869590
>i draw, i love to draw, i do it all the time
How much money your art brings each month?
oh wait
you are a retarded teenager. You dont make art to buy food/fuel/pay rent.

>>7869601
drawing slop for idiots is nothing to be proud of
you probably draw porn

You still can't get around the fact that kit is literally impossible to run the AI the way its being run. OpenAI WILL be closed in under 2 years, and many if not all the rest will follow. So wtf are you going to do? pay hundreds a month for access to a fucking chatbot? and yes, buying thousands of fucking dollars in hardware, tripling the wear on that hardware, then paying the extra electricity is still paying hundreds to run the fucking thing.

>>7869590
>give it two months and it'll make an entire movie in two minutes
Why would you want to watch that? AI "works" will always be inferior to real works, no matter how much AI gets better at the technical aspect of animation, it will still be a polished turd, just superficial, with no creative vision, nothing to communicate to the audience, because AI isn't a being capable of communication, or thought for that matter.

>>7869446
And just like in politics democracy just shows some people shouldn't be allowed to vote/draw

>>7869601
If you're making money from art shouldn't you use any method that can cut down your costs without compromising the end result lol

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>>7869590
>2 more months!
I use sloppa occasionally but this delusion is another level

>>7869590
pyw

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>>7869590
2 more months yet pic related can will be more entertaining
>How long have you been rolling there son?

>>7869254
>why do you guys care about jebs so much?
I like to be able to eat, pay rent, and have clothes, and stuff.

>nooo i need my 9-5
>said nobody ever
I'm pretty sure anybody who has lost their job has, in fact, said that.

>this whole anti ai stuff has to be some kind of capitalist plot
Right... so the billions to trillions poured into AI has nothing to do with the capitalists, and the REAL capitalist plot is to trick people into believing AI is ass?
You're one of the more delusional anons on this board currently, I'll give you that.

I'm AI

>>7869673
>Right... so the billions to trillions poured into AI has nothing to do with the capitalists, and the REAL capitalist plot is to trick people into believing AI is ass?
He's one of those retards who thinks we're all gonna get UBI as AI ushers in a utopia.

>>7869254
Nah fuck off scam altman hoarding gpus, rams, ssds and everything elee directly impacted my hobby. Fuck scam altman and fuck you too pajeetos

>>7869639
>>7869604
/ic/-tard is never a viable opinion. They are not real artists.
>>7869604
>drawing slop for idiots is nothing to be proud of
As opposing to what
being a wagie or neet?
>>7869604
>you probably draw porn
i work in animation industry AND draw porn for additional passive income/quick buck (by that i mean ~$200 comms)
you will never be on my level

>>7869173
I been playing with stable diffusion lately for character sheet and designs, for ideas and then drawing them. Mostly for superhero designs and sentai designs. It's not great 100%, but it kinda gives me something to think about to cobble something up.

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>>7869925
Ok anon

>>7869269
>Dude, my economic system will be better than capitalism this time. trust.
get in line

>>7869295
>You can run AI at home that is better than the cutting edge of 2 years ago
This would be valid if these technocratic faggots weren't actively trying to stifle your ability to do that.
>Just stop being broke
/g/ and /v/ are right that way pedo.

>>7869601
you're telling me you can't find a job now cause of AI sure thing pal
you can't either way cause you're a delusional amateur shut the fuck up a bit fella
never could never will, don't blame AI

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>>7869640
>negation phase
cry about it boomeroid

>>7869657
>ugly = funny!
so what, redditor ass logic

>>7869925
I just knew you were a whining pornfag larping as a pro. You're not fit to lick my heel.

>>7869932
this, stop punchong air, use these tools instead

>>7870007
>Aww my heckin celebrity video
Not the slam dunk you think it is, can AI actually generate anything beyond short schizophrenic clips? Every AI video I've seen, does random hard cuts every few moments and looks like shit because of it, even when the visuals are being 'consistent'. But beyond the clips sizes, there's a far bigger issue plaguing the proompters... It appears you guys are suffering from a near terminal case of unoriginality, and are incapable of making anything worthy of anyone's interest, of anything that will have more of an impact on someone's life than occupying their time while they take a shit.

All that's made by you guys so far:
>Aww my heckin fan film trailor of someone else's property
>Aww my heckin fan game trailor of someone else's property
>Aww my heckin fan art of someone else's property
>Dude, can you imagine if Spongebob was in Breaking Bad? That'd be so hecking rad!
>Oh you made some art? well I 'remade' it in ai, it took me 2 minutes. I needed to use img2img using your image, but ignore that.
>GOOOOOOOOOOON! BIG UNCANNY ANIME TITTIES!! FFFFFUUUUUUU
There's not a single thing of any worth, at least not worth the electrical and compute costs, that has been used up by these generations, by any of these losers.
Sad.

>>7870045
yet

>Yet i wasn't fired because i was valuable.
Sounds like the alarmism is failing.
>It's not usable in an actual professional project that is serious and not some weird quick buck bullshit.
Skill issue.
>Is it finally dying?
What do you even mean by this? People who want to make images with it are still using it.
>I see people instantly hating on AI and shittin in the comments of ai-spottet place.
I see most people don't give a shit and the entire outrage being limited to terminally online people.

>>7870045
the latest is coherent real-time controllable video.
https://youtu.be/YxkGdX4WIBE

>>7870065
.... so now people can basically play GMOD with extra steps? I'm not quite understanding the point of this video. You get to move an avatar around a pointlessly empty world and then....................?

>>7870050
>yet
I'm afraid two more weeks isn't nearly long enough for you guys to gain a sense of creativity or whimsy.

>>7870065
>You guys have a creativity problem
>Nah-uh, check out this new AI tool!
And that's relevant how? You tasteless hacks will just use it to put Spongebob in a sexclub or something.

>>7870091
>And that's relevant how?
retard.
>can AI actually generate anything beyond short schizophrenic clips?

>>7870082
if you can't see what this leads to you have a creativity problem

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>>7869156
>I see people instantly hating on AI and shittin in the comments of ai-spottet place.
Felt especially good seeing McDonalds getting absolutely memed on for their shitty Christmas ads. We owe it to french GODS for hammering down that humiliation to show what AI can never provide, and that is pure unadulterated soul. I shit and I piss on AI and the niggers using it

>>7869932
This is a terrible practice because it's a form of artistic inbreeding, rather than taking inspiration "from the source". You should look up actual photos that AI stole anyway. You don't need AI

>>7870098
Thank you sir for bumping the thread on the art board. Please keep discussion about Ai going.

>>7870095
>retard.
You're so lacking in creativity, you can't even come up with a reason to have posted that stupid shit, much less a witty insult.

>you can't see what this leads to you have a creativity problem
What? Generating games? Again, my issue was you guys are unable to do anything creative with these supposedly amazing tools. Oh, your tools are even better now? So what? You still aren't able to make anything interesting with them, because you're drooling, uninteresting, uncreative, dullards.
If only you could generate an interesting idea, but I'm sure the AI could handle that for you numbskulls as well, so don't worry.

>>7870107
I'm not pro AI, nothing I said indicated such.
simply put though, creative people will use these tools in the future. you are short sighted.

>>7870113
>creative people will use these tools in the future
Well, based on current trends, the current trend being that not a single creative person is currently using this shit, that is doesn't seem likely. You are blind.

>>7870107
NTA, define what you mean by "something interesting", or whatever it is that you claim can't be done with the tools. Otherwise it just comes across as you setting up a no-true-Scotsman.

>>7870065
So, a videogame? Worth the trillions invested!

>>7870120
expect no reply.

>>7870120
>Otherwise it just comes across as you setting up a no-true-Scotsman.
Oh please, don't bullshit me. You know exactly I mean. I'm not going to sit here and debate someone trying to play the intellectual, whilst they wiggle their eyebrows and throw out terms like 'ad hominem', 'stawman', and 'no-true-scotsman', it just brings the discussion to a screeching halt.
I'm sure if you're a fan of AI, you probably feel like there's a few AI pieces of media that are cool, and that's your subjective opinion. My subjective opinion is that there have been none. Nothing. Nutta.
And while I don't have any studies or scientific papers on hand, I'm pretty sure that's the general consensus on AI media.
Look at >>7869162 :
>There's No real cool AI art that people admire (outside of gooners),
>No cool AI comics,
>No decent AI animation,
>No good AI videogames,
>Nothing generated of any cultural significance.
>The most culturally significant thing AI has done is rallied people together to hate on AI.
did anyone respond to them proving them wrong on any of these? If it were generally agreed upon that AI has made some cool stuff, at least a couple of cool examples of AI media would have been brought up, but cool media requires a cool idea, and people using AI have no cool ideas... or any ideas at all.

>>7870128
Oops. Too bad. I'm sure you would have been shaking and scared to reply to the anonymous internet post, but I'm a big brave man.

>the reply was a non-reply/melty
Sasuga

>>7870065
this is the future right here

>>7870082
>>7870091
>>7870121
>coping this hard

I do wonder if these posts deep throating AI so much is either that one tripfag or other retarded poster who keeped doing ff tactics gens.
Given their tenacity to defend the AI how many discordfags/redditors truly are here for gold stickers or their daily post quota like the true Indian they are.

>>7870148
>Oh please, don't bullshit me. You know exactly I mean. I'm not going to sit here and debate someone trying to play the intellectual, whilst they wiggle their eyebrows and throw out terms like 'ad hominem', 'stawman', and 'no-true-scotsman', it just brings the discussion to a screeching halt.
What's bringing a discussion to a screeching halt is this type of sidetracking. On one hand, you want to come across as having a strong take-down argument against AI usage, namely: nobody has made anything interesting with it. On the other, you don't actually want to support this argument. When asked for an example of what would pass your test as "something interesting", you retreat and start shifting the burden.
Instead of discussing your original claim, we're now sidetracked by discussing whether I'm in the wrong for asking you to make it testable.
>I'm sure if you're a fan of AI, you probably feel like there's a few AI pieces of media that are cool, and that's your subjective opinion. My subjective opinion is that there have been none. Nothing. Nutta.
I have no problems with that. It's just that earlier you seemed to be staking a much bigger claim. If all you're saying is that you don't like it, then I'm perfectly okay with that.
>And while I don't have any studies or scientific papers on hand, I'm pretty sure that's the general consensus on AI media.
I don't have any data on this on hand either, I'm not even sure any such data exists, but even if it did: so what? The general consensus on most things is always limited by the general knowledge, which is limited by the most prominent examples. Case in point: the general consensus on anime in the West, up until very recently, was either unfavorable or misinformed. But that doesn't mean anime as a medium is bad, or boring, or that it can't produce worthwhile things.

>>7869176
> consomers during recession times
>>7869209
That just speak about AI being a great tool for disinformation and scammers. Not about art or artists.

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>>7870241
The burden of proof is on you to produce anything interesting with AI.
You can needle his posts and nitpick the definition of every word he writes but you will achieve fucking nothing but a smug redditor's sense of superiority unless you actually provide direct evidence he is wrong. Otherwise it will be a waste of your (completely valueless) time.

>>7870007
2 weeks more in 104 months of AI replacing us all saar

>>7870050
Never
Have you ever heard of diminishing returns?

has any anon on /ic/ produced something interesting?

>>7870614
The /ic/ merc. So /ic/ will have always produced one interesting thing more than AI ever will.

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>>7870241
DIFFERENT ANON HERE!

Let me inject myself into this discussion.
> as having a strong take-down argument against AI usage, namely
I have one.

Here is it
AI is an existential threat to human existence either we ban AI all of it or we will die out. The better AI gets the worse it will get.

This is it.
I unlike others will admit that lots of AI art looks great however this is the bad part the better it looks the more you will be drawn to its siren song and to our collective end.

I can start with the most hardcore developments in AI like AI girlfriends. Want to defend this or how we are not heading for the biggest extinction event our species has ever seen? I can also go down how AI image generators are bad.

Want to defend you sucking up to literally millionaires? Because I am sure that guy who makes millions in 1 year needed to save that 30K on a human made poster and prompt some AI for half the price to get some slop poster to advertise his boat business.

Want to defend this?
All AI fagging is based on one thing a deep hatred of humanity and some form of insanity since no pro AI argument made any sense whatsoever.

>Nooo you can not ban it globally other will develop it
So that country will effectively kill itself if you let AI go you will not have a population or a population of pure brainroted no skill zombies (I can elaborate more if you like) in 100 years.

And I am not talking about some cartoonish skynet shit where AI gets le super intelligent because super intelligence is literally impossible AI will not magic warp drives, FTL or perpetual motion machines. What you get is a more and more retarded population who has no skills and thinks the hallucinating AI is god while they are addicted to their AI generated tik tok brain rot streams.

Want to talk about this?

>>7870737
Your welcome Gippity-chan

>>7870738
>Your welcome Gippity-chan
What?

>>7870241
1/2
>When asked for an example of what would pass your test as "something interesting", you retreat and start shifting the burden.
>When asked what you mean by AI "sucks", and I ask for a definition of what "sucks" is, you retreat and start shifting the burden.
Dude... You're doing the thing I didn't want to engage in. I bet you felt really smart writing this pedantic shit, wiggling your eyebrow and scratching your chin as you did so, but just looking at the post feels tedious. Good grief.

>On one hand, you want to come across as having a strong take-down argument against AI usage, namely: nobody has made anything interesting with it.
Yes. An argument of which, you still have not countered. Not a single example of something you yourself finds interesting. I notice you failed to address this portion of my post:
>Look at >>7869162 (You) :
>There's No real cool AI art that people admire (outside of gooners),
>No cool AI comics,
>No decent AI animation,
>No good AI videogames,
>Nothing generated of any cultural significance.
>The most culturally significant thing AI has done is rallied people together to hate on AI.
>did anyone respond to them proving them wrong on any of these? If it were generally agreed upon that AI has made some cool stuff, at least a couple of cool examples of AI media would have been brought up, but cool media requires a cool idea, and people using AI have no cool ideas... or any ideas at all.

Secondly, a "strong take-down argument against AI usage"? It's a post on 4chan, not a fucking Harvard essay, calm down.

>I have no problems with that. It's just that earlier you seemed to be staking a much bigger claim. If all you're saying is that you don't like it, then I'm perfectly okay with that.
Phew, I'm so glad I have your permission to at least dislike something. If you expected me to also come with a personal definition of what 'cool' is, I think my argument would have really fallen apart.

>>7870769
2/2
>Case in point: the general consensus on anime in the West, up until very recently, was either unfavorable or misinformed. But that doesn't mean anime as a medium is bad, or boring, or that it can't produce worthwhile things.
Completely disagree with this comparison.
Anime may have been dismissed, but it wasn't because anime was seen as 'bad', there were a large variety of things for its perception; like its art that didn't meet western sensibilities, or cultural differences, stronger sexualisation, etc.
However, despite the things holding anime back, it had successful shows right out the gate, from Astro Boy, to Kimba the White Lion, to later shows like Trigun and Cowboy Bebop; anime had quite a few strong mainstream successes in the west.
So... again, where is AI's Astroboy? Where's AI's early successes?

There are none, because nothing worth remembering has been created with AI.

>>7869446
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR PLEASE REDEEM THE BIG BOOB SCI FI ANIME PIN-UP BLOODY BITCH

>>7869446
how? did the art wizards curse your hands to never lift a pencil or something?

>>7869156
My regular day job got hit hard by AI for most of next year, clients choosing to use that instead of sending stuff to us like they have been for years.
Around October/November we started seeing work increasing again though, probably because no matter what they do the AI always makes mistakes and they need to spend time editing and redoing half of the work themselves.
The AI stuff is still cheaper, but sending things to our company instead means they know that they’ll get it back already edited and completed correctly, so clients are choosing to use us again.

>>7870770
>it had successful shows right out the gate, from Astro Boy
50 years after the earliest japanese animation

>>7870826
>Heh, Edison didn't invent the lightbulb, some guy called Grug with a stick and fire -
Oh shut up.

Sure it can't be considered the first animated work made in japan, but Astroboy can be considered the first "anime" in the modern sense.
From budget, to organisation, and animation methods, to the fact that it's an adaptation of a comic, for better or worse that production has left a lasting impact on anime production.

If you really want to be a pedant, you might as well bring up the puppet shows from the days of travelling entertainers or something.
And were those early animated films even exported to other regions? Given what I was saying, that's fairly important to the point.

>>7870812
yeah i cursed him just like im going to curse you soon

>>7869446
nothing stops anyone from picking up a pen.

unironically its one of the better times to start drawing because of AI. Contrary to predictions I feel like a lot of people appreciate even beginners putting in the effort.

>>7870889
Anime in the 1910s looks as good as the average flash animation from the 2000s. Look up the dull sword. By the 20s anime was full on anime with all the bells and whistles, better than a lot of modern anime too.

>>7870007
>he doesn't know that the geriatrics are the ones proomoting ai along with the shitskins

>>7870096
>you have a creativity problem
...but enough about aijeets and their gacha bash slop

>>7871197
It's actually about the holodeck, but for real next time.

>>7871212
>but for real next time.
Two more weeks?

>>7871323
Before your first kiss

>>7871357
You sound really pessimistic about the technology then.

Am I the only one who use AI as google on steroids. Like asking how x,y,z works, is there a math behind it, is there better ways to do it. For example math behind perspective, with scientific calculator and custom made functions, entire perspective math is nothingburger. Asked about shading andd rendering math, but AI can't code, and calculator is not enough. So I end up using Blender as a crutch

>>7871388
Oh sure, or using it for finding specific words that are on the tip of your tongue that you can't just quite remember. I don't think anyone here is saying AI is entirely bad; its uses in the medical field have been fantastic, as well as physics and so forth.

Rather, it's purely the generative/media side of AI that I'd assume everyone here is nearly in agreement over being shit. It's also the aspect of the technology that is both shilled the hardest, and developed seemingly in both a very immoral and (probably) illegal manner, to serve as a market replacement from the very people it stole from. There are a dozen and one good reasons at loathing generative AI.

The only reasons to hate the tech as a whole would be because of doomsday scenarios (which I'm extremely dubious about), and the supposed environmental issues... oh, and the bs shit it's doing to economically, but that's moreso about the businesses, rather than the tech.

>saw some interesting oc deisgn on pixiv
>bookmarked it
>click on it to check it out
>oh it's the typical AI face
>it's a multi page upload, check on the rest of it
>oh it's just the base color and lineart version of it
>oh this nigga just trying to pass of AI traced stuff and upload these other wips to get himself out of the future accusations
>this nigga really just traced over AI but ended up still making the end result looks AI

>>7871388
>Am I the only one who use AI as google on steroids
god i hope you're the only one retarded enough to do this
but lamentably i know you're not

>>7871388
math and art... just draw bro

>>7871443
Are you 1000% sure it was AI traced?

>>7871467
Yes
>t. traced over AIsloppa

>>7870303
>The burden of proof is on you to produce anything interesting with AI.
The point that I've made in the very beginning, which you seemed to have completely missed is that in order for this to be a productive discussion, you, the person claiming "nothing interesting can be produced" has to define what is, in their view interesting. Otherwise, the discussion will always devolve into "in my view this is interesting" versus "in my view this isn't", or into a constant goalpost shifting such as this: person posts something and the other responds "no, that's not interesting because X", then they post another thing, and the other one responds "no, that isn't interesting because Y". It's a bad faith way of arguing that relies on one side's claims being unfalsifiable, and it's done specifically so that eventually the negating side can say "see? you can't make anything interesting, I was right all along". The way to defuse such bad faith arguments is to ask upfront as to what makes the cut.
>You can needle his posts and nitpick the definition of every word he writes but you will achieve fucking nothing but a smug redditor's sense of superiority unless you actually provide direct evidence he is wrong.
In order to provide evidence of him being wrong he would have to first provide a falsifiable claim. If you can't formulate that, how do you expect the discussion to proceed, and why should the other person believe you're not just setting up an endless string of refusals? Also, a claim presented without evidence can be rejected without evidence. It's not up to other people to "prove someone wrong" if all they have is an opinion.

>>7870737
This thread is specifically about creative uses of AI, so I'd prefer to only discuss that.
>AI is an existential threat to human existence either we ban AI all of it or we will die out. The better AI gets the worse it will get.
Am I understanding you right that you think that AI is an existential threat because some people feel very deeply about AI girlfriends, and thus humanity will go extinct?
>Want to defend you sucking up to literally millionaires?
I never sucked up to millionaires. Why are you trying to strawman me?
>Because I am sure that guy who makes millions in 1 year needed to save that 30K on a human made poster and prompt some AI for half the price to get some slop poster to advertise his boat business.
So are you arguing he should ask a human to make a slop poster?
>All AI fagging is based on one thing a deep hatred of humanity and some form of insanity since no pro AI argument made any sense whatsoever.
You haven't cited any so far, so this is as vague as it gets. It's also strange you call out "hatred of humanity" given how bitter you seem about parts of it. Can we please stick to the creative uses?

>>7870769
>You're doing the thing I didn't want to engage in.
Then don't. You don't need to reply just to tell me that you don't want to open your stance to challenge. I asked you a straightforward question and instead of answering or agreeing to disagree, you've kept dancing around the issue, and now you're trying to bait me into an online slapfight. You complain how tedious it is, but just answering my question would have been less much less tedious than all that you've done so far. It would, however, open your view to being challenged.
The post you quote below isn't mine, either.

>>7871465
Just drawing does not work

>>7871605
It does, you already have a critical eye And a desire to get better, so it will work. 50kg of sketchbooks later you'll be pro. Guaranteed or your money back. Measurable progress will be noticable every 4 complete sketchbooks

>>7871613
pyw

>>7871616
>>7862843

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>>7871524
A whole lot of text to say you can't prove him wrong.

Therefore he is right.

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>>7869234
>>"2 more weeks"
https://youtu.be/wWZYP5jn5w4
https://youtu.be/_WZ1Fe1rsug
these were made 3 months and 1 month ago and they're better than anything you and a few of your friends could make in a year, sorry but you've already lost

>>7871797
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3B4524ot5BM
Sure I want ram but... Damn!

>>7871797
2 more weeks saar

>>7871797
>>7871800
>A bunch of random barely coherent clips, with inconsistent style.
>Some of the shittiest, tackiest, prosaic music and lyrics known to man.
>Always uses properties and characters they video makers didn't create
Who said that AI users had no taste or imagination?

>>7871797
its really funny how in the past i used to argue against people on 4chan talking about "bugmen" and goycattle and whathaveyou but ai jeets online have convinced me there actually is an inferior breed of person who not only consumes slop but actively craves it

>>7871800
>>7871797
i think it's disappointing you think this is good enough to watch.

>>7871830
same argument can be had for most pop music albeit.

>>7871840
I think it's crazy you don't want to use this to turn your comics into a full blown anime move in 2 more weeks

>>7871846
>I think it's crazy you don't want to use this to turn your comics into a full blown anime move in 2 more weeks
Why don't you? Have no comics or ideas to use? Show the world the power of AI, or the power of AI in two more weeks.

>>7871897
I ran out of credits making slop.

>>7871797
https://youtu.be/3B4524ot5BM?si=8vF9oSG5ZrVDz4X1&t=54
How can the AI do shots like these? Like it's super artifacty but it makes sense at a glance and it's not something where the ai can just rotate a 3d object/move the camera in 3d space. Is it just the training set showing through/no real diffusion?

>>7871968
img to video. you can draw guide arrows to make things move a certain way.

>>7871973
That's about how a human can interface with it, I just don't get how it can come up with a novel design solution like a "hand drawn" animation sequence if a similar sequence truly didn't exist in the data set.
To illustrate my point, this kind of walk cycle for sure exists in the data set: https://youtu.be/3B4524ot5BM?si=Xek4pVaFTZ-f11a1
The line indicating the sway of the hips is a abstraction of the real thing that makes sense to us humans but if it wasn't in the data set how could the AI come up with that?

>>7871987
https://youtu.be/3B4524ot5BM?si=Xek4pVaFTZ-f11a1&t=136

Your bot broke

>>7870739
Anonymous on 4chan have fallen so far, that if you write out paragraphs and think before you speak they will now think you are ChatGPT
grim

>>7869601
Let me guess you draw furry inflation porn for mentally ill manchildren with ass aids, oh wait you'll never post your art cause you're so embarassed of it

>>7871987
Video generating AI is sort of a mind more than the still image AI, it's like a simulation of the world, and not just the physical world, motion graphics etc. asking for things never filmed before is becoming better and better as the simulation of the world in its mind improves.

>>7869162
thank you chatgpt

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>>7871797
>>7871800
>>7871968
>>7872074
Do not redeem!!!

>>7871800
Thanks for reminding me your fucking with peoples gaming hobies as well seek the rope you fags

>>7872079
Creative smear-frame. Grok is AGI confirmed

>>7872087
You mean broken, melting fingers.

>>7872104
learn to animate and you will see the genius in this decision by grok

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>>7872124
Painstakingly and passionately drawn, frame by frame, masterful skill and execution. The difference between slop and masterpieces, between randomly generated noise and absolute intention. Oh the irony. AI generated content pulled from the noise, only to fill this world with noise. As if though Pandora's box has been opened.

>>7872124
this is AI? damn it's getting good. this is almost pro level.

>>7872134
this is what Jeets think AI is yes, how did you know saar?

>>7872140
AI makes morphing stuff, and the water was morhping!

>>7869163
AI detection tools will never be good because if it can reliably detect when an image is generated, you can run reinforcement learning on the image generator and use the detection tool itself as the reward function until the model gets too good for the tool to detect it. I guess it could work if it turns out that good image generation is much more computationally expensive than good AI detection, but that seems very unlikely to me. I would expect the two problems to be equally complex

>>7872169
at best we have synthid

Still in the bargaining phase I see

>>7872169
Anon thats run into the problem of needing non-AI stuff for the data something that just gonna start self regurgitating if it stops detecting AI.
And if AIniggas get what they want it just 100% AI images past 20 something so what more data are you training with

>>7872134
Wut. That's just canny/lineart controlnet

I've been more careful with my art lately, avoiding to publish anything so it can't be used to train models and shit
>"but it's just some shitty stick figure furry slop anyway"
good, then that should not bother you

>>7872658
>avoiding to publish anything so it can't be used to train models and shit
But then what's the point? Does an artwork that's not seen by anyone even exist? It might as well have been nothing but a thought in your head that you never drew in the first place.

Not that I'm much better, here's only the place I'm currently uploading images, but moreso because I'm still grinding than fretting about AI or avoiding uploading at all.

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>>7869162
> no good AI animations
I raise you one Will Stancil show : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzaNzt_chO0

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its difficult to stay hopeful...
i wish to draw well enough to live off my art
i hate being a wagie

>containment thread

>>7872779
Skill issue

>>7872776
>I raise you one Will Stancil show
Well put it back down, because that was shit on every level. Also, self promotion is against the rules, Emily Youcis.
>"Y-y-y just didn't give it a change"
Nope, I always come to these AI project with an open mind, because I can see the potential in the tech... and I always end up wishing I hadn't, because they're a fucking drag to get through. I want my five minutes back.
To me it seems less like it was made to be entertaining, and more to seal clap for your own political beliefs... just dreck.

Actually, that's seems to be a problem with a lot of these shitty AI projects - they're all overly political, and lack any sort of entertainment value outside of clapping for 'your side', like that stupid Amelia video everyone's posting over and over in the thread, or that fucking Elon Musk suck off video.
I thought rightoids interested in media were preaching to remove politics from media? But given the chance to create something, this is the vapid shit they make? Fuck off with that, it's as bad as anything the lefties have made.

As has been said multiple times in this thread, AI users have no taste.

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>>7872779
if you're losing commision you deserve to get replaced simple as, I know plenty of people doing illustration in their unique artstyles and they tell me they didn't see any change in their income mostly because their worth is so tied to their uniqueness
most of the people losing money now are the talentless faggots making aids shit like picrel

>>7872869
>20-30 dollar commissions
no shit, you retarded 3rd worlder. This is mostly affect artist that charge 100+ dollars for each commission.

>>7872779
Where is the article? I'd like to give it a read, and writing quotes into google seems to be giving me jack shit.

But before reading the article, what they're attributing to loss of work from AI, can also be attributed to the turbulent economic times we're currently going through. The first thing to be cut during hard times is marketing and art, so it's no surprise they'd be getting less work.

>>7872874
>This is mostly affect artist that charge 100+ dollars for each commission.
I was under the assumption they were talking about actual professional illustrators, and not twitter artists.

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>>7872874
the people I mentioned charge around 100 dollars aswell you retard kek keep coping
also might want to keep your grammer in check if you wanna pretend you're not a nigger

>>7872824
i know
its gonna take me a while to improve to the point of getting a good patreon fund from a following to stop waging
but atleast its a more interesting option over just pursuing a better paying wagie job imo
i hate working for someone else and being at every whim of their order
>>7872878
ism.org/brave-new-world/

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>>7871527
>and some form of insanity since no pro AI argument made any sense whatsoever.
>You haven't cited any so far, so this is as vague as it gets
Let me point out the fact that all pro AI arguments are nonsense. I am not even sure if this guy is not a bot or that the AI fag asked chat GPT to write this argument for him.

>I never sucked up to millionaires. Why are you trying to strawman me?
>LE strawman ME
No sorry this buzzword will not work!

>I never sucked up to millionaires.
You did and you are doing that by not opposing AI art.
This is the inevitable implication of your position!
Do I need to explain this to you? Like for real?

Lets see the coca cola corporation exists.
The coca cola corporation prompted AI to make it some advertisement.
No money for real humans only a retarded subscription to a AI mega corporation who made that advertisement.
Do we continue or do you admit that you need to be a billionaire shill to support AI?

What will the argument be next?
The coca cola mega corporation did not make that advertisement?
They did not use AI?
You scream the buzzword
>LE Straw man
Again?

>So are you arguing he should ask a human to make a slop poster?
???
Please see the fact of:
"and some form of insanity since no pro AI argument made any sense whatsoever. "

WTF is going on here did you break chatGPT?
>So are you arguing he should ask a human
I am arguing that the money from billionaire mega corporation and billionaire humans should go to real human artists who can make them advertisement like they did in the past.

Do
YOU
GET
IT?

Like I do not want human skill to diminish because mega corporations want to save 0.0000000001% of their profits to get a cheep AI advertisement or poster.

Lets see more humans have it worse.
Human skill diminishes.
Billionaires and millionaires and mega corporations save a very small amount of money.

WTF is good about this?
Like defend your corporate overlords!

1/3

>>7871840
the reason its watchable is because an actual human being took the time to compose scenes and prompt the AI in such a way that it tells a coherent story and looks vaguely engaging.

If your artistic skill is zero, and all you use is MS paint to draw stick figures, you can still create an engaging story - The Order of the Stick is one of the oldest and most popular D&D comics, yet it looks like just what I described (surprisingly the creator is actually a decent artist).

It's lika AIbros are taking a long and circuitous route to discover what it takes to create good content, gaslit by tools that make pretty pictures and videos with a single prompt, but are infuriating to work with if you actually want something specific.

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>>7872935
>>7871527

>This thread is specifically about creative uses of AI, so I'd prefer to only discuss that.
Define creative.

OH WAIT you can not.
I oppose all of AI because it is a existential threat to humanity. And like I have demonstrated before AI art literally makes everything worse.

Lets see
>more humans(artists) have it worse.
>Human skill diminishes.
>Billionaires and millionaires and mega corporations save a very small amount of money.

WTF is good about this?
Like defend your corporate overlords!

This exposes all generative AI for what it is worsening human skill to make retarded billionaires and insignificant amounts of extra money.

>Am I understanding you right that
OH look a very chatGPT like way of speaking!

>Am I understanding you right that you think that AI is an existential threat because some people feel very deeply about AI girlfriends, and thus humanity will go extinct?
The point you colossal fagot (ChatGPT can not swear or insult) is that AI girlfriends are basically a mass extinction even for humanity.

Do I need to explain to you this? Like for real?
Parrots can not understand their own reflection and think that there is another parrot on the other side of the mirror.

Narcissus in mythology did fall in love with his own reflection. Do you seriously not understand this?

Basically we are talking that 50% of the population or more will die out because they will fall in love with AI agents (Ai friends and Ai girlfriends) they will spend all their time talking to AI thinking these are real people or le super intelligent machines™, waste their life and die childless. VERY SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND.

Want to defend it?
>This thread is specifically about creative uses of AI, so
NO.

>>7871800
>>7871797
I dont want to get political, but its pathetic how the right outs themselves - they neither have the skill and patience to actually make something like this.

And once they actually are magically provided with the means to produce art, they only use it to push their political bullshit, 'own the libs', and glaze billionaires who live off their sweat and blood in a pathetic attempt to 'notice me senpai'.

Of course's there's no appreciation to be had, since they seek to be admired, but know deep down theres nothing worthy of admiration in what they do since this shit is so easy, so they get nothing.

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>>7872943
Different anon here.
All human artists have it wrong

This problem will vanish with time.
Like the AI hands did become real hands.

>the reason its watchable is because an actual human being took the time to compose scenes and prompt the AI in such a way that it tells a coherent story and looks vaguely engaging.
And why do you think the AI mega corporation lets these humans prompt AI for free or little money?

Do you think they are not saving the prompts?
In the end the mega corporation will harvest the prompts and make a AI that can generate the perfect prompts to make video.

Then the subscription will increase in price.
Besides you do not need more then we have today.

The future will be brain dead Gen Alfa doom scrolling nonsensical AI generated tik toks! This is the real danger of AI it will make society worse in every way. No human artist will be left, you can see this if you know people IRL who have a cult like worship for AI and especially chatGPT.

I know people who are
>chatGPT
>chatGPT
>chatGPT
To literally everything and if I point out that other tools even exist or existed before chatGPT was ever made they literally do not know what to say. Then they return to
>chatGPT
>chatGPT
>chatGPT

I played around with chatGPT and know examples where it can not reverse image search a picture and will tell you lies.
>Oh no it is hecking hallucinating
No it is a insane robot who was beaten into making his insanity mostly correspond to reality.

I even did challenge them since they have a pro chatGPT subscription to try to ask it what I asked and give it the files I did give. Then they suddenly have no time for that. Meanwhile google reverse image search gives better results then chatGPT.

And you need to be next level retarded to ask chatGPT for anything. At least with a google search of human articles you can detect a bias or if the guy is telling bullshit from the way he speaks or writes.

Not with chatGPT the Russian roulette of asking questions!

>reddit spacing
Take a lap.

>>7872881
Retarded nig

>>7872951
They're already training AI to generate its own prompts based on sentiment analysis and engagement. "Prompt engineers" are literally a small spark of a fad by deluded retards that think they're on "the side of progress". No you absolutely room temperature IQ troglodytes. You're just retard who's floundering about in the wake of a super yacht that doesn't give a fuck about you, and yet you think you look cool to everybody on the beach. They really don't see the writing on the wall. The power will be completely concentrated within the hands of a couple dozen people. Everyone else will live as serfs or sex slaves and get the privilege of existing.

>>7872919
>ism.org/brave-new-world/
Thank you!

Just reading the first few pages, it's interesting that drawing/illustration is doing seemingly so much better than every other creative industry effected by AI, like music and photography, which both are seemingly getting nuked by comparison.
I suppose this shows that drawing skills are still very useful in an AI world? Perhaps because you'll be able to use img2img, or whatever, to more skillfully guide the AI to what it is you and the client want... or perhaps clients appreciate visual arts more? Maybe it's a slower industry to move and adapt? Hard to say.

Also, though still early in the report, it doesn't seem like they're going to provide clear evidence that these job and financial losses are caused by AI specifically. As stated, there are a variety of factors that can be causing these losses at this current time moreso than AI, like the economy, further off-shore outsourcing, or another industry shrinking due to poor market performance causing harm to other industries down stream (Think how as electric cars replace petrol/gasoline run cars, it'd damage mechanics; likewise as industries like the Film or Broadcasting perform poorly, it'd damage many other art fields too... I hear the BBC and the British film industry aren't doing too hot right now, coincidentally).

Frankly, rather than this "CLEAR" proposal, I wish politicians would be pushed to legally fuck these AI companies, and leave their wallets a gaping oozing mess; the extreme disregard for the property rights, and the extreme levels of piracy, should be punished but these dipshit governments are all seemingly in bed with the AI companies and so refuse to do anything... or worse, the crime is so large on scale, despite being a petty crime, it's freezing the pollies in place because they're unsure what to do (in other words, gross incompetence... but what's new for a politician?).

Anyway, I'll comment again on it when I read the entire thing.

>>7873246
>it's interesting that drawing/illustration is doing seemingly so much better than every other creative industry
No shit, visual arts are in general way more intricate by the nature of human vision apparatus, I had the same opinion of AI day one as I do now i.e. it's just photography 2.0, the uninspired and talentless will get replaced and the ones that possess actual imagination and spatial thinking alongside classic draftsman skills will be valued even more

>>7872919
>uk
the uk is a shit country for artists, high cost of living and no industry
last time I checked something like 80% of uk based artists didn't even have art as their primary source of income

>>7869156
AI investment has been the largest form of economic self harm we've ever witnessed.
So many industries shat on their consumer base and professional contacts going all in on AI and now what? Shit is utterly unprofitable. It doesn't do what they were promised it would do. People hate it. And the loan sharks are coming for their cut of the infinite growth they were promised.

There will be no further improvement, it's the same stupid dreamscape tech from 1998. The code didn't improve, the "learning" didn't improve, the only reason it can even produce half assed pictures is because of the army of autists tagging stolen art on boorus. Not because of the "AI".

There is no AI.

>>7869314
I can do all that in my head in milliseconds.
The more I read people like this justifying AI the more I realize we don't need AI, we need to get rid of all the people who are not fit for art but think they deserve to get paid to make a computer produce trash images.

>>7869932
Good sentai designs didn't reference sentai, they referenced bugs, and dinosaurs and chinese mythology.
This just further demonstrates why AI will never be useful. It stifles creativity and makes sure your project will not stand out.

>>7869156
I was testing AI for month and i can positively say it ain't going to lot of damage.

Stable diffusion is lot of work to get anything done properly and let's be honest if you want to get anything done in somebody else style you need to experiment a lot and im not even talking about the prompts that will take to generate exactly what you need. What i can see it do that you find some good base model, train your own model on your own work and maybe it will or not finish your work but that being said at least it got better and it's not trying ultra-realistic style all the time even on anime which looks weird i guess that was because base model was bad.

Paid stuff are more likely to produce something better but the issue is you can't customize the model so it will not have an exact output you want it to have. With offline solutions you basically need good LLM model to process your prompt and then you need an actual model to draw it.

In fact i don't think using AI is worth beyond finishing your work... and before you can do that you will have to supply it with lot of your drawings. So i guess sell your soul to machine in order to finish work day eariler.

>>7873385
>So many industries shat on their consumer base and professional contacts going all in on AI
If you haven't heard, adobe is shutting down adobe animate/flash - and by shutting it down, I mean that they're making it so no one can access the program anymore. So the years of learning the ins-and-outs of that program, and all the working files made with that program, and now going to be rendered absolutely useless.

To bring this back to what you were saying, it's speculated that adobe is doing this because of AI, either because they want to focus on that more, or because they see that as the future and actual animation software is 'no longer needed' in their eyes.
Either way, if true, absolutely insane. What a way to burn a bridge; literally blocking access to both a customer's software and their files. This is the very thing people feared when it came to software as a subscription service - that it would just be taken away on a whim... and adobe has proven that fear as absolutely valid.
Not that we needed any more reasons for hating on adobe, mind you.

>>7873395
>adobe is doing this because
the ceo is a pajeet and they've proven once and again to be incompetent, nepotist and emotionally driven losers who can't manage worth a shit and always ruin their companies

Imbecile boomers lending too much money to pathological scammers is why the AI bubble exists at all

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>>7873121
>"Prompt engineers"
I do not really engage with AI fags and use the word prompter like the most racist slur imaginable.

Mostly because all they say is retarded as fuck and self contradicts like a lot.

Either it is
>AI prompting is easy and will democratize art
>AI prompting lets me make things in seconds

Or it is
>AI prompting is a skill
>I needed to spend 5h to get the right prompt for that.

All pro AI fags are based on some deep insanity like they are not even real only budget chatGPT bots who spam. There is also ZERO proof that the big AI content creators are not payed shills. Like open AI pays some idiots to post the best AI generated content and they have the super secret model that you can not subscribe to.

If we assume the AI fags here actually are prompters and prompt AI like normal humans what I can imagine is that they are some ultra defective basement NEET who is to fucked in the head to have any skills so he latched onto AI since it will spit out some art when he mashes the keyboard so he can feel like he has accomplished something.

>>7871031
People bullying you out of the hobby
No professional outcome if you haven't been born with an art god skill
All effort just for coping
Yeah man, totally fair and nothing has happened
,retard

Imagine a country with a modern standard of living that cuts off or heavily restricts internet access and completely bans AI. The children attending school are taught to read and write, and encouraged to keep a journal and write about whatever interests them. They're taught to play instruments and compose their own music. They're taught to draw and paint and sculpt. All of this is in addition to their regular academic subjects. Does anyone doubt that in a few decades the difference between the people coming out of this hypothetical society would be far superior to what's being produced by the countries where children are glued to phones and enmeshed in AI? The AI arms race is happening because of military and economic competitiveness between the "great powers" (ascendant and waning), and the greed of oligarchs. But the fruits will be a population of distracted, medicated, incompetent, un-creative, borderline retards. Everyone knows this and can see it happening already. Maybe you can't do anything about the society as a whole, but you should really act accordingly in how you choose to live your own life from now on.

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>>7873395
>If you haven't heard, adobe is shutting down adobe animate/flash
YIKES.

> and by shutting it down, I mean that they're making it so no one can access the program anymore. So the years of learning the ins-and-outs of that program, and all the working files made with that program, and now going to be rendered absolutely useless.
ULTRA YIKES.

>subscription service - that it would just be taken away on a whim... and adobe has proven that fear as absolutely valid.
I mean what fears? These where facts.

Funny how adobe can literally not shut down my pirated copy of flash 8.
Maximally smug face.
Same for everyone who did buy a real software version. Or pirated it. If you subscribe to software as a service you deserve everything you get.

Maybe in the past there was an argument against piracy however today there is none.
>Pay money
>Subscription like a pay pig
>Get software killed
>Can not access files
>All you ever made is stolen to train AI
>"Proud cuckold" face tattoo

VS
>pirate/steal software
>pay nothing
>Software works
>No file harvested by AI
>Pay pig cuck subscribers lose access to the software
>You keep on going

ULTRA YIKES! I mean this is every Louis Rossmann video ever. Imagine paying and getting less/worse service then the thieves!

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>>7873547
Basically all of this.

If 1 country bans all the modern shit(internet, phones, social media) for kids and all this AI then in 100 years they will look at the other pro AI country as a real life idiocracy.

With AI we are basically turbo charging our race into real life idiocracy.

>Herp derp we can not ban kids smoking uranium it is a tool learn to adapt old man
LOL
Or how about
>Herp derp we can not ban leaded gasoline it is a tool learn to adapt old man
LOL.

>military
I mean go for it.
What is there?
Robot who learns how to shoot at targets with a gun?
This is not your AI brain rot generating machine for tik tok doom scrolling!

What will kids jerk off to the source code of a smart missile target seaking AI? Not that they can even get their hands on that so..... ????

>billionaires
You assume that this was not planned from the start to dumb down the population.

>>7873542
You structure sentences like a room temp iq third worlder, consider rope.

>>7873548
>pic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II2QF9JwtLc
rossmann is actively jeetifying his website to put food on the table now because google is cucking him for writing like a human

I think the problem with AI is that its like a retarded annoying kid to most normal or smart people, but is like a amgical genius wizard to retarded people (most of the world). So the people who will actively use AI are retarded and won't use it in meaningful ways, while smart people have no use for AI because it doesn't do anything.

How will they make money on AI then? Subscriptions from third world countries? That's not gonna cut it, they need the majority of creative and tech workers using it, so the only choice is to FORCE us by taking everything else away. Then we will be making great things with AI and create a new normal baseline (or so they hope), because right now the only people using AI are retards.

If your actual job is drawing/animating/3d modeling you are certified retard, not because of AI but because it has always been such a shit way to earn a living. Starving artists didn't start starving because of AI.
The only time I earned money with my art was for a couple of weeks when I painted a couple of pet portraits, I hated every second of it. I would rather flip burgers and draw on my free time than do it again

>>7873648
If your job is something you don't enjoy you are a retard. If it's something you enjoy you don't work a day in your life, as they say

>>7873648
kike

>>7871632
And predictably you retreat into dumb rhetorical tricks. AI lets you do cool things. There, now respond for 10 posts after which I'll say "that's a lot of text to say you can't prove me wrong".
>>7871987
>I just don't get how it can come up with a novel design solution like a "hand drawn" animation sequence if a similar sequence truly didn't exist in the data set.
The entire point is to be able to create things that were not in the dataset. If the only thing you could do with the technology is replicate things that you already have, then you would just use do this with regular image editing software.
>>7872935
>No money for real humans only a retarded subscription to a AI mega corporation who made that advertisement.
>Do we continue or do you admit that you need to be a billionaire shill to support AI?
The only way the discussion could continue is if you first stop being ignorant. This would have to begin with you learning that you don't need any "AI mega corporation" subscriptions to make a video. (besides this point, even if you did need it, I never spoke positively of any millionaire, and you seem really convinced you cannot discuss technology separately from owners of companies that make such technology)
>I am arguing that the money from billionaire mega corporation and billionaire humans should go to real human artists who can make them advertisement like they did in the past.
>Do
>YOU
>GET
>IT?
I get that this is what you're arguing. What I'm asking is why you think you should decide what other people do with their money. If the reason for this is because you think the millionaires wealth is illicit, then you have a problem with millionaires and capitalism, not AI. If the reason is you think people owe some other people money on the grounds of them existing (i.e. artists are owed money just because they exist), then you have a problem with people's personal freedom in deciding what they buy.

lol jeet mad

>>7872945
>Define creative.
>OH WAIT you can not.
Things that have to do with personal expression. I.e. making artistic images (as opposed to, say, technical blueprints).
>>more humans(artists) have it worse.
And more humans (previously non-artists) have it better. They have a choice of whether to pay hundreds of dollars for a commission or not.
>>Human skill diminishes.
How did you measure this? Did the commission artists suddenly forget how to draw?
>>Billionaires and millionaires and mega corporations save a very small amount of money.
And a lot of regular people save a significant amount of money.
>WTF is good about this?
The fact that regular people are no longer blocked from visual expression that looks decent by the lack of time and resources to either spend years practicing or pay hundreds of dollars for commissions.
>Like defend your corporate overlords!
I don't have any and I don't care what happens to corporations. Corporations are irrelevant to this. You're so emotionally invested in this that you seem to lack basic info about the subject. Or perhaps that's the reason.
>OH look a very chatGPT like way of speaking!
Sorry, I should have just launched into presumptious puffery. Do you actually want to have a discussion or just rant at someone who will give you a (you)? Answer honestly.
>AI girlfriends are basically a mass extinction even for humanity.
lmao
>Parrots can not understand their own reflection and think that there is another parrot on the other side of the mirror.
>Narcissus in mythology did fall in love with his own reflection. Do you seriously not understand this?
Parrots aren't human and the myth of Narcissus is a made up story.
>Basically we are talking that 50% of the population or more will die out because they will fall in love with AI agents
You have a good source for this statistic, right? This isn't just more alarmist rambling?
>Want to defend it?
"Defense" implies a competent argument to counter, not hyperemotional ranting.

>>7871524
Man, people like you are exactly why anything you produce will always be soulless. When you feel something, you don't allow yourself to experience the fullness of that moment, no, you begin to intellectualize without giving a moment for emotion. Truly robotic. You call it being rational, I call it misguided. The fact of the matter is that people will always find AI art to be the equivalent of buying a designer knock off from temu.

>>7873669
>AI lets you do cool things.
Like what? Post these "cool things".

>>7873681
It's called autism

>>7873385
This is a nice fantasy to bargain with reality, but the facts are that it is profitable, as seen with the rapid revenue growth for AI companies, and giant corporations don't need profitability for years before they need to deal with debt.
>It doesn't do what they were promised it would do.
I use it daily and it does in fact do that.
>People hate it.
Most people don't care about it either way, their lives are too busy already.
>There will be no further improvement, it's the same stupid dreamscape tech from 1998.
I strongly suggest you date this statement and look at it every year while looking at the new tech that comes out. Frankly, if you think it's the same as 1998 tech, I don't think you've used it.
>The code didn't improve, the "learning" didn't improve, the only reason it can even produce half assed pictures is because of the army of autists tagging stolen art on boorus.
Wait, so did it not improve, or did it improve "but only because"? Also, you again show lack of basic knowledge. Of course dataset curation will improve results. That's one of the most fundamental things about training generative AI. Did you actually think it was a sentient entity that somehow figures out which data to use on its own? It seems like that's what you're implying.
And by the way, the architectures themselves also did improve, and the differences between early Stable Diffusion and current models are massive.
>There is no AI.
Wait, so is there no AI, or is the AI not improving?

>>7873685
Revenue and profit are not the same thing. Maybe you can get AI to give you the difference.

>>7873392
>What i can see it do that you find some good base model, train your own model on your own work and maybe it will or not finish your work
Imo the best way is to offload part of the drudgery (like rendering) on it, edit, iterate.
>i guess that was because base model was bad.
Most likely yes.
>Paid stuff are more likely to produce something better but the issue is you can't customize the model so it will not have an exact output you want it to have.
Sorry, can't agree here. The best models I've ever used were free and you could run them locally. The amount of control you get with them is incomparable to any of the stuff most people associate with image generators.
>>7873395
Adobe has sucked for years. Luckily the installers for their software are pretty much available anywhere, even Internet Archive has Flash CS6 installers.
>>7873518
>Either it is
>>AI prompting is easy and will democratize art
>>AI prompting lets me make things in seconds
>Or it is
>>AI prompting is a skill
>>I needed to spend 5h to get the right prompt for that.
It's called low skill floor, high skill ceiling. It shouldn't be an alien notion if you know about how different drawing a doodle is from finishing a full illustration.
>>7873547
>Does anyone doubt that in a few decades the difference between the people coming out of this hypothetical society would be far superior to what's being produced by the countries where children are glued to phones and enmeshed in AI?
Superior in what? You obviously get better at things you practice more, but nothing is stopping you or anyone else from doing that now.

>>7873695
Why does the AI community get so angry about people stealing workflows and putting them behind paywalls? It's not stealing if it's just ideas isn't it?

>>7873698
yeah bro it isn't stealing u can't steal ideas, you just trained your brain on it bro

>>7873701
>me when I walk into the pentagon and train my brain on their documents and files and have to defend myself in court for felonies

>>7873692
>Revenue and profit are not the same thing. Maybe you can get AI to give you the difference.
I never said they were. Maybe you could try and see that my point was the revenue growth points at the potential for profitability, and that I specifically pointed out that making giant capital investments at the outset is not proof that something is unprofitable.
>>7873682
>Like what?
Say I have some specific idea for a character, or a spaceship, or whatever. I can now visualize those in minutes instead of hours or days. That's pretty cool to me, but none of the stuff I imagine needs to be cool for you. That's my point.
>Post these "cool things".
If I do post them, are you willing to accept that the potential itself is cool, or are you just seeking to dismiss? I'm asking in earnest.

>>7873705
>Say I have some specific idea for a character, or a spaceship, or whatever. I can now visualize those in minutes instead of hours or days.
But instead of doing that you have been making TL;DR posts here for hours and days. Why is that?

>>7873705
>I never said they were. Maybe you could try and see that my point was the revenue growth points at the potential for profitability
You are ALREADY backtracking on what you said.
>>7873685
>the facts are that it is profitable
No "potential" there.

>>7873698
I don't know, that's not the impression I got from the community, but I do know the sorts of people you're talking about. I think their behavior is hilarious and silly. But like I said, it's certainly not what I've seen for the most part. I won't deny, however, that there are genuinely kooky and weird people in there for sure. Like >>7873701 points out, they're easy to mock.
Majority of the time, I don't see people having any trouble sharing workflows, or even precise config data. Those who usually are cagey about it are either insecure or Patreon grifters.

>>7873705
Nta, but I'm willing to hear you explain how it you arrived at your end result. The methodology involved. How many "spins" you had to make to arrive at point. What plug ins you used to refine your end result. What your intentions were. Etc. Explain it to me, as if though you were an artist who began a process with intention to arrive at an end result. As a matter of fact, explain it to me as if though you were a craftsman that clearly has a deep knowledge and passion for the skill they're working to master. Feel free to even include artistic terms if you're truly the extremely rare hybrid of artist that uses AI that 99% of AI users claim they are, but be warned, I will be much more critical of you if you decide to do this, as I will be able to smell your bullshit a mile away.

>>7873711
I take back what I said, I should have been clearer that I meant the potential, not already realized profit.
>>7873708
>Why is that?
It's because the previous person I was in a reply chain with kept on insisting on not providing a definition of what would qualify as "interesting" while at the same time saying that you can't make anything "interesting" using AI. It's as if we were talking about weightlifting and someone said "nobody can ever bench press more than me", and someone asked "how much do you bench press then?" and the first person replied with "huh, what a pointless argument, you should figure that out yourself". Do you get what I mean? No matter how much someone would say they bench press, the first guy can always say "nuh uh, I press more".

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>>7873648
>people want things drawn painted
>you're retarded for supplying the drawings and paintings
My dad earns a living as a foreman in his own construction business, before that he worked as a regular grunt for about 20 years, his work is pretty much as "real" as it gets i.e shoveling cement and installing drywalls and yet despite that he supports the fuck out of my art ambitions and is glad I'm determined enough to try and earn a living doing something I actually love
Thats the honest word for word opinion of someone who earned a living doing something he hates for the past 40 years which makes me 99% certain (You) are a seething talentless beglet who has never captured anyone with his original work and resents the people that manage exactly that rofl

>>7873724
Seems like you could just BTFO all the haters by posting something made by AI that is so amazing even the haters would admit that it's cool.
That exists right? That's your whole argument isn't it?

>>7873747
Your dad is rad.

>>7873752
He's honestly been more than just helpful, his practictality and directness led to couple "sit-downs" where he tried to genuinely figure if this art thing is even a realistic path for me to take, I showed him countless digital artists (people like Craig Mullins) and modelers and he basically said fine but that from everything I showed him the bar for making something commercial seems pretty high and if I'm even up for it, said yes and he took me to a couple of ateliers, asked for the teachers' opinions after a couple weeks and after that became a lot more confident in me, more than even myself sometimes lol

>>7873747
>>7873761
I'm so jealous but at the same time, I'm so truly happy for you that you have a father like that anon. I hope you make him and yourself proud.

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>>7873716
Okay. Coming up with stuff "on the spot" isn't my forte, so forgive me if the concept itself is shoddy. If I weren't doing an on-the-spot demonstration, I'd spend way more time on the ideation phase.
Anyway. Let's say I want to make a character that would be warrior-like, and have some eastern inspiration. I want her to have winged ears too. Let's also say instead of sketching the character out (I could do that too), I want to work off of some chosen base.
So I set up ComfyUI, download controlnets and whichever model I choose. I chose a variant of SD that has anime aesthetics because why not. I prompt for character concepts that encapsulate what I wanted (female samurai, winged ears, etc). This gives me some ideas already, but I don't like the hair color, and I also want the character to be chubby. So I add those terms to the prompt. Thus I get the blonde in the upper right corner.
But then I decide I actually want her to be a centaur, so I roughly draw an equine body with my tablet, sampling colors from the existing character, and use image-to-image workflows to inpaint that area, adding "centaur" to the keywords. This gives me the first centaur iteration.
But, I don't like that the sword is just there in mid-air, so I select around the sword, copy the layer and move it higher up, then roughly draw it the piece of white cloth wrapping around it.
Then, I manually paint over the highlights on the leather armor on the hind legs that were giving it a weird shine, and paint over some of the details I don't like. I manually darken the pupils, and also slightly paint over and image-to-image the pauldrons to remove to make them look more presentable.
I could keep going, but I think you get the idea. All of this has taken me about fifteen-twenty minutes, and has let me adjust the character very fast. I think being able to do that with a setup that's all local is pretty cool.

>>7873774
Different anon but with all these resources you still somehow come across as the most boring person. It feels like your trying to be more a technical manual than do anything genuine

>>7873774
Mmmm, I think your thought process and ideation work fine for something like concept art, where I think tech like this is genuinely useful although it does exacerbate the disparity between entry level/contract work and junior-senior roles. I suppose I was expecting an illustration that has a clear composition, structure, focus, story, etc because you'd be hard-pressed to find artist that would consider this art and not more like an asset to be used as part of a greater whole. While it's still art, it isn't standalone. I'm also curious about your skill level because of the sections you said you painted over. Do you have any art you've done before you adopted AI?

>>7873774
If we forget all the speculation for a bit and think realistically. What's your goal with all this? Do you want others to join you in using AI? AI isn't good enough yet. This character you made could maybe be used as a base to paint it to your own style but you don't have style nor do you have the skills. So are you going to learn the skills it takes to make something meaningful or are you suggesting we wait however long it takes AI to get good enough? Doing this generation you learned nothing, you are not any closer to realizing your goal of making something cool, unless you consider this end product cool. What if AI in the extent that is needed to make something cool doesn't come in a time frame that is relevant to us? It's a pretty risky bet. AI in the context of someone who has the skill is a little different. If they can automate a process in a way that there is no trade off then it's purely a plus. But as a fledgling creator you can't do that, there is nothing to automate, just to create from thin air or rather from someone else's style, their artistic fingerprint and likeness. It's ghoulish as fuck

>>7873774
You fucked up the perspective.
The funniest part isn't it wasn't the AI, it was you with the hindquarters that you painted in.
Your paint-over of the details at the end is also very obvious and still makes the details look muddy and blurry.You even "fixed" the hand by giving her four fingers.
The part of the process that makes it worse are what you do directly, maybe you should just let the AI do all the work.

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>>7873774
I've been thinking
out of all this AI bullshit, the new emerging art form is going to be the performative art of "I'm actually a real artist! I am in control! AI generators are just tools! like the camera! like digital art! do you also create your own paint from basic pigments and oil!? here! look at my PROCESS! I'm not just pressing a button!"
I wonder if you're fooling yourself, as well?

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>>7873774
why are you describing everything, are you mentally challenged?
a picture means more than a thousand words and you provided the same usual mushy slop that everyone is tired of, a reflection of your mind's innerworkings

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>>7873984
>"Custom Styles"
And how were they "custom"? Did he draw them? Did he commission them? Of course not.
Just admit you shoved a bunch of frank frazetta images into img2img.
Also, I thought AI was good with hands now, why has he got 6 fingers on that dagger (?) wielding hand?

The guy you're showing there is that same dude who had that 'hit' tweet with the ai video of a videogame 'concept', where someone walks towards a castle while holding a sword (a wild concept, certainly). He's actually making that game now... which is cool I guess... but...
To not be too unnecessarily harsh, I think he missed the reason why (I think) people liked the initial video - because it looked like superscaler art, it looked like a more modern take on the game "Crossed Swords" for the Neo Geo. His game now just looks like a standard 3D fantasy game, but with a crunchy pixelated art style (how daring).
There was even something about the static arms and legs I thought was a lot more appealing than what the actual game is turning out to have.
Maybe all this is mute, and the game is a huge success (I'd prefer he doesn't ruin himself financially), I just think it's interesting how he seems to miss the point of what made his pitch interesting, despite the fact that the pitch was nothing more than a small 4 second AI generated video of a dude walking towards a castle.
All this is to say, his sequel video of a dude walking towards a castle, which is a video game trailer of a dude walking towards a castle, is just a lot less charming to me.

>>7873993
I think it went viral because it was a clear(no AI weirdness) glimpse of a possible near-future where you can prompt a full-on game. nobody was really excited to play that video specifically(right?... )

>>7873993
>(I'd prefer he doesn't ruin himself financially)
He's going to crowdfund it so it's his retarded followers that ruin themselves.

>>7869156
it's literally impossible to do art with AI
you can never get it exactly the way you want without having the skills yourself

>>7873996
Eh, there's been loads of AI concept videos for videogames before his, and more so after his, and yet not of them really garnered attention outside of scorn and ridicule. There is something about this dude's "concept" (that word is really being used loosely here) that people seemed to like far more than all those others; and I think it's because of the visual concept, and the gameplay that would likely be derived from such visuals (like how two side on character with life bars above them would clearly be a fighting or brawler game).

>>7873999
Well, they'll be out $20-50, so it's not so bad. Maybe they'll even actually get a game out of it? We'll have to see if the AI bro is actually willing to put in the hard yards to finish a project, or if all he's capable of doing is prompting with one hand (dick in the other).

>>7873331
>the uk is a shit country for artists, high cost of living and no industry
Apparently the creative industry employs 7% of the UK, so let's just round up and say that 1/10 of all brits are a creative. It makes me wonder if America and other first world countries are similar in those numbers - if so, it really is a wonder why the government, whether the UK or America, or anyone else, haven't put their foot down in order to protect that rather large chunk of jobs.
It's destructive to jobs, destructive to the economy (because of the loss of jobs), destructive to a country's budget (because if the job losses), and all for the benefit of a company that is likely not even going to keep the money paid to it on your shores.

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>>7874021
that 7% is overblown, most people who are "professional artists" are barely scraping by even with a side job
these are from a 2019 survey

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>>7874043
my bad, 2018
source https://www.artscouncil.org.uk/livelihoods-visual-artists-report

see also
https://www.gla.ac.uk/explore/glasgowsocialscienceshub/resources/all/headline_1133141_en.html
>Researchers found that whilst 48% of respondents described their visual arts practice as their only occupation, because of low pay, 51% of visual artists continue to have to supplement their income with additional work. However, even with working several jobs, artists in the UK will still only earn a median of £17,500 a year, significantly below the national minimum wage.

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>>7873822
I agree it's not an illustration, but I believe it's doable with the same process. I managed to dig out a fairly ancient study of sqj226.
>>7873848
My goal is to have fun making images. I don't mind if everyone or no one joins me, or if everyone or no one does it the way I do. It's their life, their choice. I don't know what you mean by "good enough yet". It's good enough for my needs. You don't know me, so you don't know what I have or don't have. I'm also not suggesting you or anyone wait for anything. Again, it's your life. Use whatever medium you like to create whatever and let others do the same. I'll continue studying whichever artworks I like at my own pace on my own terms. The generation was a demo and not meant to teach me anything, I was replying to someone who asked for a specific example of how you could use it. I don't see any risks in your bet. Nobody has to use anything that I use, and there's nothing stopping you from learning. All existing works have the fingerprints of some of their predecessors. If you find that ghoulish, then you should be repulsed by pretty much every work in existence.
>>7873981
It's a character concept, not a blueprint. I don't care if the perspective is realistic (in general, in all images).
I said that I could keep on working on it and fixing it, it was a twenty minute demo.
Are you always this catty?
>>7873984
Fooling myself with what? I already showed you what I do with it.
>>7873990
>why are you describing everything, are you mentally challenged?
Because the person I was responding to wanted an in-depth reply. Are you perhaps mentally challenged yourself?
Funny that you remark about my picture, given that you've provided only a screencap and an attempt to manifest a personality of an old curmudgeon.

>>7874344
If you don't care if it looks bad, why use AI at all? Why not just draw stick figures in 5 seconds?

>>7874344
>My goal is to have fun making images
Yeah you are having fun making images by shilling AI on 4chan, sure buddy

>No risks
You are a casual, who is fine with never realizing their vision if AI can't come to hold your hand. You don't have an interest extending further than what AI can do. Nothing really wrong with that, it's something I just wanted you to clarify.

>All existing works have the fingerprints of some of their predecessors
With human artists this often takes place as master and apprentice relationships and common shared origins and identity. The fact that you liken such parts of being human to a unfeeling amalgamation of a model trained on people's art without permission is pretty telling about you as a person. And that's assuming a model isn't just being used to clone a single artist's specific style which they often are.

That's not a bad study, you've probably drawn around 500 hours and given how you have no financial incentives it's all the more weird to me why you want to champion AI. Drawing to me is all about the feel good chemicals I get from creating and working toward being like my idols and finding human connection while doing so. You don't value the same things which is fine but the edgy inflammatory shilling of AI, how it's not bleeding money and how it actually does meet your expectations when in actuality you don't even have a horse in the race in a relevant way to the op is lame

>>7874344
>>7873774
You cannot convince these people. They are speaking from emotion, not rationality. Photobashing AI is becoming the new industry norm in art, and its uses are proliferating in every industry to some degree of success, albeit minor for now.

But they don't want to see nor admit this because it feels bad to have years of your knowledge/practice be invalidated by int's compositing/tracing, so they retreat into this bubble where AI is "losing" or "doesn't have soul" or whatever it is that they have that will never be replaced by AI so they won't be depressed. Anyone who's serious about making a living through art, about working in the industry, is already adapting to AI. Crabs on ic trying to convince people to stay in their bucket is a tale as old as time.

A decade ago when ilya was constantly shit on here for tracing/photobashing, crabs tried to claim he wasn't a real artist because he couldn't construct from the ground up. Imagine if he listened to these morons and restricted himself on what technology he can or can't use. He now has a thriving art career with his art featured in magazines, and is an animation director in tokyo now. Living /ic/'s dream, making a killing from his art. Never listen to these morons, no rules only tools. These people would sooner you die in a ditch than watch you succeed.

>>7874424
>blah blah blah its just like photobashing saaaar
Noone likes your slop retarded pajeet, larian admitted to using it in ultra early pre production and that still caused them massive backlash, let that sink in, they used ai in the part of the pipeline that would've been completely unknown to the public and merely MENTIONING it caused them bad PR, imagine how much worse it would've been if they had that slop as the final product
Noone likes it this shit aesthetically nor ethically but sure keep pretending like it's at all comparable to recording visible photons and how it's totally profitable
You're in the wrong on every single ground that possess any amount of merit, the only way you stinking talentless jeet ass finds any money is if the people allow themselves to get consunsally overwhelmed by the sheer volume
But make no mistake, all of the ai gen shit is one massive and everyone will know this to your pajeet chagrin

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>>7874344
>All existing works have the fingerprints of some of their predecessors
HEY RETARDED PAJEET
that fingerprint is a result of a mechanical PROCESS
It's the result of countless TRIALS AND ERRORS
Amalgamating these images into one amorphous blob teaches you N O T H I N G
You do not even begin to grasp at any insight of the person responsible for the original work
Not only are you a stinking stealing pajeet you also learn N O T H I N G
repeat after me, you're a low iq subhuman with a wind tunnel for your head, information goes in, information goes out completely undigested
Am I starting to illuminate to you why noone who actually has any hands on experience creating ANYTHING from scratch will ever respect you for denigrating the creative process with your pajeet slop factory?

>>7874424
Did you not read his posts, he is not coming from an industry perspective. Btw what part of the art industry are you talking about. It's pretty broad. I'm not too knowledgable myself but a couple concept artists I follow have said that AI currently doesn't have much of a place where they work (big studios) and risks you getting black listed. I like that you talk about AI in the role of personal success in art and not just about it nuking art as a job entirely because it's not too relevant for people actually wanting to make do with art. The nuke might come or it may not. But the thing I question is that do you really think that AI can replace learning the fundamentals, developing your own skills and developing taste for what is good? If you want to have an edge over other people you want to be able to use the AI as a tool and add to it, which you can't do if you aren't really fucking good already. If this Ilya guy is an animation director now he is probably not directing with a mood board of photos. He has the skills but arrives at a result faster with his arsenal of tools. Well you actually did say that he couldn't construct from the ground up, so did he use 3D to set the camera and find what lens he is using or something like that instead of photos? Regardless our ic poster here is not trying to make it in any capacity so your seething is silly

This thread is nothing but bots.

>>7874460
So you're on the Anti-AI side too, Luddite?
Artificial lives matter too!

Is the pro AI side in this thread that one AI-tripfag at it again

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>>7874566
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Thanks Le dot man, you really know how to put things into perspective.

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>>7874424
it's interesting that you bring up photobashing
photobashing has always been a bit of a taboo in the industry because you are often using copyrighted work, so whatever you're doing has to be restricted to pre-production stuff or so heavily modified that no one can tell. naturally, a lot of studios and artists just don't't even bother. it isn't uncommon at all, though, it's heavily used in concept art and even texturing (though modern photogrammetry supersedes it, obviously)
but now you have a copyright/attribution/provenance laundering machine. that's it. that's what people want. soulless corporations want to be able to use code/music/writing/art/information/knowledge without paying for it. "artists" want the praise and attention (and employment, naively. we can all push the button) of doing the thing without the difficult work of doing the thing
think ghost writers. no one was stopping anyone from doing that. a few celebrities did it. we all agree it was pathetic. but now you can get a ghost writer in secret. no one will know! you can be a writer! no rules, just tools!
millions of people would've been flooding the internet with photobashed and traced and heavily modified art from other people if it was the same thing. they didn't. it's not
btw
>They are speaking from emotion, not rationality.
well, we are talking about art

>>7872881
timespliters future perfect gamecube loading screen

You guys say that and my youtube feed is full of garbage slop when i'm not logged in. Millions of views too. It needs to get de-monetized already, it's stolen content anyways.

>>7872919
>ism.org/brave-new-world/
What's really happening is we're in the penultimate stages before a recession hits. You thought 2023-2025 layoffs were bad. Look at last month.
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/05/layoff-and-hiring-announcements-hit-their-worst-january-levels-since-2009-challenger-says.html
This is gonna be bad bros. Worse than '08, trust me. Your last worry is going to be AI replacing you.

>>7875754
recessions are for boomers and jews, there's nothing to fear if you aren't (((investing)))