>>7946810
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7946812
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7946814
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

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Currently in a rut personally and had to file for unemployment recently. Not looking for pity but wanted to mention it cause part of the process is showing that you are looking for work and Im PRAYING that pitching my shitty comic to publishers counts as looking for work, at least for last week cause thats all I was doing with setting up pitch documents
Pic unrelated I just wanted to start the thread with actual drawing

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working on this manga-esque illustration

>>7946850
Nice tits
Nice drawing, too

My main character is psychologically trapped, so now in a cage formed by his own hair.

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>>7946873
>>7946850

>>7946850
Are you going to do actual manga?

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https://files.catbox.moe/xu0hob.png

I finished this a few days ago and now the high of finishing something wore of so I am reviewing and seeing what I can do better, this page got saved by anon's help like a month ago.

One thing I learned to do is to draw full environments on another file and then shrink them down to put in panels when you need them.

Also I originally had rooms that were hexagon shaped but then they ended up looking like poorly done square rooms in perspective.

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>>7946888
That's something I always wanted, so I'm making these illustrations to test the waters.
I also have to study storyboarding and storytelling, since I don't know anything about the process.

>>7946919
>I also have to study storyboarding and storytelling, since I don't know anything about the process.
There's no single method that everyone uses, it's more about coming up with a system that works for you. But more importantly it's about sitting down and just doing it. Refine the system if you run into problems, Otherwise you're just procrastinating.
Also, with all the difficulties and challenges in making a comic, you'll make the biggest headway if you come up with a reliable way to defeat procrastination because that's the single biggest enemy. It's beating the shit out of me...

Manga is dying, it's time to grow up and start drawing productive things like webcomics

>>7946969
Webcomics are dying, it's time to grow up and start drawing productive things like webtoons

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Hark! lest thy youthful folly lead thee astray! Webtoons hour hath come! tis time to come of age and set thy hand to drawing fruitful works, such as tapestries.

we need a new medium that's between webtoon and youtube short like an auto-scrolling comic with music

>>7946850
>>7946919
Any social?

>>7946981
The thing about webtoons I hate is how it's optimized for mobile and it's like doing acupuncture on your balls if you try to read it on a real monitor. I literally don't use my phone other than as a phone, sms receiver and maybe a map sometimes.
Just another of those things that remind me I have nothing in common with the current hip generation.

>>7946978
>Webtoons are dying, it's time to grow up and start drawing productive things like video games

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>>7946981
That's called a cartoon

I hate to break it to everybody, but art in general is pretty hard to make money from.

>>7946915
looks awesome, how much of the enviroment gets covered up when you port it over? I just draw it behind, but its definitely harder to visualise, when theres characters in front

>>7946919
Honestly I think its something you can quickly get the hang of, just copy other artists, and sorta view it as shots from a movie. Comparing animes to mangas can probably help too with that, and visualisng how they translate. Like the first episode of Friren covers the first chapter, and a bit of chapter two in 20 minutes. so around 50 pages in 20 minutes

>>7946996
it would be like individual comic panels playing in a video maybe with a voiceover kinda like those AI cat stories

>>7946992
90% of comics read globally are on phones. Adapt or perish.

>>7947012
It's called a motion comic

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Just while I'm drafting the next scene, how do you guys think this scene flows?

https://imgur.com/a/84-93-wp7Jv9o

Still yet to color it properly, but it'll have the blue color scheme probably.

and if your interested, this is the whole thing so far below.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uvBsXSrIdUzGQu-R8fMN91b9nwrwC02J

>>7946992
They suck to read on phones too. The scroll thing isn't for readability, it's to cram more ads in. It sucks having to constantly be flicking your thumb. Standard manga format works just as well if not better for phone display, just so long as the dialogue is clear and readable without zooming.

>>7946979
This shit's bangin'

>>7947062
I haven't really even thought about what my comic would look like on mobile. I just assumed panning and zooming is a given for the miserable fucks who force themselves to read that way.

how do I get more people to read my comics?

>>7947062
It's actually very easy to read on phones if designed properly. The action of scrolling leads to the comic becoming more addicting to the reader too.

>>7947058
flip the image on the very first panel so the car goes in the same direction as in panel 2, that's the only thing that comes to mind, rest of it reads well!

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>>7946979
Looking real neato. Good job on the tapestry work, Aussie anon.

>>7946992
>I literally don't use my phone other than as a phone, sms receiver and maybe a map sometimes.
Scary to think someone would choose to live this way.

>>7947205
good goy

>>7947205
i don’t even have a mobile phone. i like it very much.

>>7947205
Golem mitts typed this post

>>7947214
>>7947217
>>7947239
>t. posted from my iphone

>>7947205
You aren't representative of the majority of people on earth. Even Somalis and Indians living in 3rd world shanty towns have smart phones now.

>>7947205
And you're not scared of all the data they collect on you?

>>7947252
I don't like it but the only way to prevent it is to not own a phone and never use the internet. Aren't you scared of xKeyscore?

>>7947252
What are they gonna do? The only reason to be scared is if you're a criminal.

It's took me 8 months to fully finish 71 pages, not counting cover arts and character sheets. Is that decent time or am I going too slow?

>>7947314
Sounds decent to me

>>7947307
Or if the data falls in the hands of the criminals.

>>7947322
And how often does that happen? Don't use sketchy websites.

>>7947326
Big corpo's employee will visit a sketchy website for you. Not like the data needs to be stolen when selling data and discriminating based on said data is perfectly legal.

>>7947326
Isnt 4chan a sketchy website?

>>7947326
A government only needs to fall into the hands of criminals once.

>>7947000
thanks man, I have a general idea of where the characters will go but I accept that I'm going to cover up art inevitably. Sometimes I use it strategically to not have to draw hard things in backgrounds, but most of the time drawing something and then covering it up with a character makes the place feel more 3D.

>>7947331
Rebecca Sugar posted here and drew blackface art and she got hired by Cartoon Network

>>7947322
Banks and social media companies get all their user data hacked all the time. You should stop using banks too.

>>7947332
The majority of western governments are ran top to bottom by criminals.

>>7947357
>Rebecca Sugar posted here and drew blackface art and she got hired by Cartoon Network
I guess when that /co/ anon said she was based and put secret based content in her work he wasnt lying.

>>7947307
and who decides what's illegal?

>>7947367
She published her blackface art in an art book and drew underage porn of Edd from Ed Edd and Eddy which she posted on 4ch too. Bitch is made of Teflon, I guess that's how it is when you're gay and Jewish.

>>7947105
post it

>>7947359
>just make your own banks

>>7947412
The government...?

>>7947329
>>7947331
>>7947332
There are a bunch of contingencies and protections to make sure the worst doesn't happen, stop doomposting.

>>7947483
And how will you feel if they made something you like illegal?

>>7947488
Like driving fast? I get where they're coming from, it can be pretty dangerous.

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drafting/lining hefferchu comics, feedback welcome
https://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/
https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams

>>7946990
I have a twitter acc and an old pixiv acc
@rein1155
users/14735673
>>7947567
cute penguins

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How the fuck for I draw backgrounds like this? Did Q's assistants do it for her? Are they tracing photos? How the fuck do people draw backgrounds this good?

>>7947610
trace a picture of a building, but skillfully with line variation and scratchy lines and shadows.

Put a screentone over it to show shadow.

draw in extra thinsg like doors and windows and poles

That's it, you start with a picture or model to trace nowadays though instead of an image. Nobody's drawing realistic buildings from scratch.

>>7947614
So Q or her assistants are tracing photos over a lightbox to get this effect?

>>7947616
yes, or doing it on computer with layers.

Some mangas dont even trace the building, they posturize it in the art program (turn it into black and white with lines) and leave it like that.

>>7947617
>art program (turn it into black and white with lines)
Do you have any tutorials to do this in clipstudio?

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>>7947610
Its just perspective bro. The artist here isnt even doing anything that sophisticated. That kind of shit is just squares on top of squares.
If you can get pic related cause it shows you the barebones way of achieving buildings, but if you want vid examples that show how to achieve this look just look at these vids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2nZii37jrw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfHRReALvVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmSg_F4P5yU
Also ignore the other anon. Yes there are manga that trace buildings but after looking at the manga this aint one of those artists. Most of the building based on what I saw are kind of filled with nonsense detail and are barebones, alot of it is more impression of buildings rather then accuracy. Like if they are tracing they are tracing off of just generic cubes and build detail on it from there. Again look at the vids you can achieve something similar by just doing cubes on top of cubes like the vids I linked

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>>7947619
I'm not good at it, but its this button that's highlighted in blue in the lower left (if thats where it is by default IDK) As you can see it looks shitty but you can play with the settings like strength, and this works better with clear models or photos without much color to them. I just grabbed a random photo.
I'm guessing assistants can make this look better and then draw over it to fix things

>>7947620
They might have added the beams and extra shit on themselves but they could have still started with a normal building. So its a combination of tracing and constructing to make original assets.

>>7947620
Do you think they're using microliner and ruler or free handing with a g-pen?

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>>7947622
>>7947623
Looking at the actual art this shit looks mostly free hand

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Like even for the more clean art that I could fine you could achieve this free hand(with a ruler). Like in pic related this more clean building is honestly just basic cubes and Id think it be more trouble then its worth to just trace that shit. Like he takes note of the repiticous stuff like the arches and the roofing but looking at how the windows arent exactly aligned with one another and the general sloppy look to it, like you dont get this from tracing.

>>7947610
>>7947616
She doesn't have assistants.

>>7947626
okay/ we're talking about buildings not rooms.

>>7947629
>>7947627

>>7947630
he asked how to do backgrounds like the image he posted, and it looks like using models and drawing over them was the way.

If you want to believe they are drawing normal japanese buildings from scratch and then adding stuff on top, go right ahead.

There are different levels to this: you can make the perspective lines yourself, you can use the CSP perspective tool, you can use a cube model, or you can use a japanese building model.

People here say using tools is not bad but then if you say something looks like it was done with tools, people will jump at your throat and call it all hand drawn like you just insulted the art.

>>7947628
Is she just fucking GOATed?
>>7947627
>>7947610
Do they use reference photos for these types of building drawings or can they just make it up out of their heads?

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>>7947058
I like it, but every panel the trees were drawn differently, got distracting

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>>7947632
Well its a matter of how to get specific effects. Like usually a big giveaway when artists trace or use 3D elements is that if shit looks too clean like pic related(or in some cases like in Dandandan just have real photos of Japan and apply an effect like you mentioned here >>7947621 ) but for the shit that anon was asking about that shitty gritty look can be achieved free hand. To get that look you dont really need the shortcuts especially if you look at the vids that I posted earlier.
>>7947635
Probably both. More likely for that colored page one that she looked at an actual fancy building but again for those jap buildings theyre just a bunch of repeated boxes and squares. If you know perspective drawing you can bullshit that kind of stuff easily if you wanted to.

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>>7947635
Her drafting approach is more than doable. I've also looked up to her for many years, and while trying to learn how to ape her style I found the easiest way to replicate this linework is by half freehanding the ink work. I use a ruler and lay down a faint line, then draw over that without one.

Buildings aren't as bad as they look. The worst thing about doing backgrounds this way is that it's really tedious, but if you know how to do a box you can put the elements together easily.

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Can i get some comments on this? It should be the final version of the page

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Drawing this one has really been hurting my hands.

>>7947484
He he, yeah, those would never be overridden, that could never happen, certainly not in real life, and there are no examples of it happening in the past two years

>>7947359
If I could I would

>>7947610
Skip drawing them for 75% of your panels and just draw a bunch of lines?

>>7947669
I'd put more effort into her shadow if that's what's to the left of her, erase the line around it, as well as add shadow for the other one unless she's not effected by light somehow. Some elements look kind of rough with the double outlines unless that's just lineart and the rough draft under it or something, also I'm not sure what is under them in the last panel but it seems like it should be less faint since you can barely see it.

>>7947674
Not entirely sure since I struggle with necks myself but there might be some toyotaro in that last panel.

>>7947711
It's supposed to be water, not sure how to make it more clear

>>7947062
What would be roughly a good font size if you want it to be easy to read on mobile? (Let's say, ratio of font height vs page width) Any other considerations?
I'll probably have to test my pages on a phone, but transferring files from linux to iphone is proving to be more complicated than I expected. I did look at some manga pages, such as the OP image of the previous thread (with the funny egg head boomer man) and that seemed to be just about the lower end of legibility without zooming. My current font is something like half that size... I got that by referencing old print comics.
It probably wouldn't be a huge problem for me to just go back and rearrange my layouts so that each page has an average of 3-4 panels vs the 5-7 that I'm currently using. It's fortunate that I made the decision early to use "flat" pacing so where the page turns happen doesn't make a big difference, and my panels are all simple rectangles which also would make rearrangement easier.
The realization of why my compositions seemed dense compared to most modern comics... of course it's mobile. It's always the fucking bleep bloop device.

>>7947713
I don't mean by their feet, I mean the grey part with diagonal lines beside her. Unless you mean the tube stuff under them, in which case I just lack context for why it's like that I guess.

>transferring files from linux to iphone is proving to be more complicated than I expected
Oh... right. The phone has a camera. I can just point it at the computer screen and take a photo.
Actually my comic is surprisingly readable. Might actually be better than a lot of mangas due to my relatively thick line work and use of strong black and white contrasts.

>>7947721
If it's just a few images or something I just catbox or email myself, PC bluetooth is fucked aside from controllers and headphones

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How can I make my compositions more interesting, and more importantly, what resolution do you guys use for full pages?

>>7947484
Not really. I have worked in various roles in government for over 10 years and I can tell you laws can get real fucking squishy when a political agenda is being pushed. Whole county sheriff's office I was in is now in shambles because a literal criminal got elected as Sheriff thanks to his skin color and sucking the right dicks.

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>>7947711
Any better?

>>7947739
This already looks extremely interesting as a composition

And you seem to draw at a huge resolution too, I've never seen a larger comic in my life

theres no worse feeling than someone completely misinterpreting what happens in your comic so you wonder if they're wrong or if you just suck that bad.

>>7947888
egh yeah. People kept confusing a related pair in my comic as being brother and sister even though it's explicitly clear they are cousins, probably my most annoyed gripe. Sometimes it's just a matter of people not paying attention but if you're really worried it doesn't hurt to get some other opinions to understand how they're coming across to others.

>>7947888
someone caring enough about your comic to interpret it is far from the worst feeling

>>7947888
Oh yes there is - no one reading your work at all. Imagine posting on social media and getting only a handful of views (likely bots). Then 0 views on whatever you upload for years. Truly grim.

>>7947888
>>7947892
If enough people misinterpret something, that means you haven't communicated it well enough.
If people mistake your characters as brother and sister, make them refer to eachother explicitly as cousins instead, or introduce a gag where other characters in the story mistake them as siblings and have them get really mad or embarassed about it

>>7947888
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpbtnUDlpRw

>>7948011
There's a funny story from Vince Gilligan about writing Saul and Chuck in Better Call Saul, where he was talking about a suggestion passed to him from the execs. The suggestion was to have them say "How long have we been brothers?" In order to clarify that they were in fact, brothers. There comes a point where you need to realize that if A and B are understood reasonably within the context then you don't need to reiterate it for a few people who would need to hear "how long have we been brothers?"

Hate to say it but some people are just tarded.

>>7947786
We may never know

>>7947639
>Drawing architecture is easy to BS
Lmao no. Theoretically yes, in practice hell no.
The problem isn't drawing things to the right vanishing points , it's scaling things and making sure they're proportionate in space retard. The moment you draw something like a building that you can compare in real life or history you have to spend a good chunk of time measuring and transferring those in perspective etc. This is simple in concept but tedious in actual execution for actual scenes. If it were really easy, then there wouldn't be a need for even skilled artists to resort to 3D for getting their projects done on time.

>>7948069
How often was Q Hayabusa releasing Dorohedoro chapters when it was ongoing? If she truly has no assistants, it's extremely impressive.

>>7947888
People are interpreting your comic?

>>7948077
Monthly. Yes, of course it's impressive.

>>7948082
You aren't getting feedback on yours?

>>7947888
>person "misinterprets" something
>they actually speedread one out of context page and are just retarded
Tale as old as time.

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>>7947786
If what they're on is sand, I used the Spray tool from CSP's Airbrush as a quick way to make it look more like that. This and the other character's shadow are my biggest nitpicks, assuming this is more or less what it's supposed to be.

>>7948225
I’m just gonna say it, are you ever going to use your skills for anything other than drawing porn? Is this what pays the bills for you or do you just have a coomer brain? No matter your response your efforts would be better utilized on making art and not porn slop

>>7948252
Put your trip back on.

>>7948254
Does my comment upset you, you realize this just contributes to harming others perceptions of healthy sex, I can’t read Japanese so who knows if the story is worth it but this is literally a meme already, I doubt there any storytelling of substance in this doujin just like any other doujin.
My problems don’t stem from sex as a topic in storytelling either, even I want to portray sex and tension in a manner that has substance but from what I’ve seen from several pages of this guys work it just looks like any other porn I’ve seen, I’d be more invested if there was an actually interesting story tied to this but I doubt there is one and you defending porn is most likely just because you yourself have issues with consuming pornographic media

>>7948252
>are you ever going to use your skills for anything other than drawing porn?
Yes.
>Is this what pays the bills
Yes.
>do you just have a coomer brain?
No.
>No matter your response your efforts would be better utilized on making art and not porn slop
That's just, like, your opinion man.

>>7948259
As long as you got more on the table than this and it seems I was correct since you are using your skills for other things, please continue to pay your bills

>>7948258
>this just contributes to harming others perceptions of healthy sex
Stopped reading there. Performative puritanism.

>>7948265
I’m no puritinarian! And you should really delve deeper into the harmful effects of porn on the psyche. I’m not sure what exactly you’re implying since there’s nothing wrong with kinky sex so long as everyone is safe and consenting, different poses toys and all that, my issue lie within how it is portrayed as well as I guess anime style in general altering males perception of how women should really look like or even behave during sex. So since I can’t really read the dialogue I have no idea what’s being portrayed through dialogue. I stopped reading doujin a while ago since many are just boring and have no real substance, by all means you can look at some porn but if that’s all a fellow artist spends their time on I question if their mind and their skills are being utilized to the best they can be, even if what they want to portray different ideas that come from sex I would hope they are at least exploring interesting topics that don’t really get discussed.
For all I know the dialogue is some kino shit but visually it just looks like porn, very well drawn manga porn but that’s all. The artists confirmed they are doing other shit so it’s all good but my issue are stem mostly from wanting more from the medium and the topic and not just MOrE POrN,SeeXX SEX people having SEx!

>>7947607
thank u :)

>>7948275
Seriously dude what the fuck is wrong with you and why are you trying to go after indie artists over your retarded crusade? If you really care then go kyoani the pornhub servers or something and stop pestering real people.

>>7948283
Get mad when art is critiqued shut yo bitch ass up, you said it yourself, there’s real people here so why would I go where there’s just bots,porn addicted individuals who would say the exact words you’re saying. And where are these other artists? I’ve only spoke about one artist who is the only guy here sharing his porn manga, and as I stated my problem isn’t even with the porn itself it’s with the fact that the medium is bland and boring on top of just being generally harmful, if it’s going to be the fast food of art it may as well have some substance?! Honestly none of the info about porns harmful effects are hidden from you but considering how upset you’re getting it just seems like you really don’t want to take a long look at yourself, no one here is against you looking at porn bro but wanting more substance and nuance from the medium isn’t asking for much, sex is a beautiful thing and it would be cool to see it portrayed better,kinks and all, but you’ll probably still see this as me attacking fellow indie artists?! So please go back to jacking OFF

>>7948289
Long way of saying that you're not the target audience and that you just want to complain to the nearest person about something you only sort of care about. Yeah you're just a piece of shit slacktivist.

>>7948292
I like the action this hag does

>>7948290
I’m not the target audience? Everyone is the target audience for porn you mongoloid, it’s one of the most intense and meaningful rituals humans can have with each other,so not only is everyone the target audience for porn but I actually care quite a lot about all aspects of this subject,I care about manga,I care about art, and I care about the human condition. You seem really upset for someone pointing out the truth about all aspects of this topic.are you typing with one arm right now?!

sex is as mythical to me as ninjas and samurais and superpowers desu

>>7948295
That’s because you’re disconnected from yourself and others on a very deep level, porn is a very big reason for this amongst other things

>>7948296
porn aint got nothing to do with it, its the several socio economic factors currently destroying our world as we speak

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>>7948283
Not the same guy but I just wanted to say that I personally view porn artists like an actor would view porn stars, to me the difference is exactly the same

And whenever I hear people using "indie" as a way to make an artist seem innocent or deserving of better by default is just pathetic, is the artist indie because they're not good enough to deal with companies? That's usually the case

It's like going against a street hooker when criticizing prostitution and the street hooker says shame on you for going against a hooker who doesn't want to work in a brothel as if that made them a victim of hierarchical opression by default

The fact is that only a tiny bubble of terminally online wankers have any respect for porn artists.
When porn artists go sfw their followers almost completely abandon them because nobody (except a niche community of terminally online porn artists and passionate wankers) cares about their artistry because their product takes absolutely no value from anything art related

If a porn mag suddenly turned into a high quality artsy photography magazine the readers would completely abandon it because there was never any appreciation for artistry there, just people wanting to jack off

Porn artists receive compliments and encouragement because people want them to keep making content to jack off to, they appreciate the fsct that you spend your days drawing pussies and dicks for their pleasure on their behalf sparing them from doing what very few people have low enough dignity to get into and not because they "appreciate you as an artist"

Porn artists have never been seen as real artists throughout history, it's only recently that a bunch of wankers online decided to feel empowered but it's not fooling anybody who isn't under this illusion

>>7948295
Wait I may have misunderstood, do you mean sex is like something you’ll never get to experience? If that’s what you mean I h.old out hope for you friend because I never thought I’d have sex either…until i DID! Just try to live your life and it will come not needing it to fulfill or complete you in anyway and I’m sure SEx will find you and fuck you

>>7948297
What do you mean? People have sex all the time even during terrible times of war,people are having sex right now! And porn isn’t THEBIGGEST player but it certainly has an effect on all of us especially our youth. Im not saying ban all porn or sexual expression neither, clearly there’s a gap in understanding. Humans having been making sexual art since the dawn of time, ceramic vases shaped like voluptuous women dating back thousands of years ago. Statues depicting sex acts.only now it’s being weaponized and the art form and beauty of sex is being harmed because of it

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>>7947799
>This already looks extremely interesting as a composition

No it doesn't and we really need to stop this kind od compliment circle jerking

There's absolutdly nothing exceptional or above average about that page, can yiu actually convincingly explain what aspect makes it stand out that isn't just something basic you would expect from a random comic page found online?

We've gotten to a point where shit art, mediocre art and great art will get the exact same response from other artists that it serves no purpose other than creating this bubble of comfort where artists don't need to feel intimidated by art as a whole because they can just take the blue pill and think the comments they get have anything to do with with the art itself

This is why art communities are dead for anyone who isn't looking for a comfort bubble where they can jerk each other off with hollow compliments

>>7948298
>I personally view porn artists like an actor would view porn stars, to me the difference is exactly the same
Porn acting and regular acting are two very different things that demand very different skills. Drawn porn manga and drawing regular manga require pretty much the same skills.

>>7948307
You don't have anons' best interests in mind.

>>7948307
The big panel on top looks interesting to me. She's sitting on a box and interrogating a guy.
The last panel where she's looking left could be improved but if theres context in previous pages where it was established that shes facing that direction, it could be fine. I just said it was interesting and you start going nuts.

>>7948313
I meant context in future pages

>>7948294
>Everyone is the target audience
No reason to read past this when you want to stretch the definition of a well understood term to pretend you have an actual point beyond bitching just to bitch.

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>>7948310
Skills that are required for porn actors are some of the skills that are required from real actors but real actors are required a myriad of other skills that are not required from porn actors

Script monkeys are required some of the skills that proper programmers are but proper programmers are required a whole lot of other skills

>>7948313
You're just giving a description of what you're seeing, no actual reasoning

Why say it's extremely good?

I don't care about your post specifically, it's just a generic example of something widespread that I wanted to address because ot sucks

>>7948311
I think it's very counterproductive to call something extremely interesting instead of saying it's alright or decent, it's the sort of thing that feels and seems good on the surface but has some serious side effects

And I see this everywhere all the time, it has become the standard for art communities to give exaggerated hollow compliments

>>7948298
I say this without hyperbole but your post is formatted like AI, we have known posters that use AI to shitpost during conversations like this, your point isn't really worth addressing, so with all that in mind I'm not taking your post seriously.

>>7948321
I said it was extremely interesting, I assumed they were only asking about the top panel when I said that.

And extremely interesting means its alright. I don't have any ideas to improve the big panel.

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>>7948323
>extremely interesting means its alright

1 + 1 = 3

>>7948324
You're obviously not a happy person. A big first panel being very interesting is a pass, thats what you want. Its either interesting or its not.

>>7948325
Ignorance is bliss and extreme is the baseline

>>7948317
That’s twice you find something that conflicts with your world view and you completely dismiss it, there’s no point in trying to convince someone to open their eyes when they prefer to keep them shut so this will be the last time I address you.
Literally even children are the target audience for porn, the porn industry and its many branches have been documented for a long time to get you hooked as young as possible to porn, literally everyone is the target audience you absolute blind fool! The fact that you see this as mindless angry ranting is what really shines the spotlight on you and reveals your inability to look deeper at the media you consume and the effect it has on your mind.take a break and quit jacking off, freuquent masturbation leads to erectile dysfunction by the way though I’m sure you’ll scoff at this statement as well and dismiss it while you lube up.
>>7948322
Is this the same anon who’s dismissing me? The post doesn’t really come off as AI and I use AI quite a bit for research. The doesn’t come off as a shit post as it is relevant to a current conversation happening in the thread and even if it is AI the information in it carries significance and truth which makes me think you are the same anon dismissing any point that doesn’t align with his own world views and ignores long documented facts

>>7948329
>That’s twice you find something that conflicts with your world view and you completely dismiss it, there’s no point in trying to convince someone to open their eyes when they prefer to keep them shut so this will be the last time I address you.
Good, because
>Literally even children are the target audience for porn
is where I've decided to stop reading your post. There is quite literally no worthwhile content contained in your message after those words so thank you for saving me from inserting your posted thoughts into my brain by frontloading probably the dumbest part of your argument to signal that I need to spend my time more wisely by ignoring everything that followed that statement.

>>7948329
Not the same anon, haven't dismissed any reply, just jumped into the convo

Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." — Friedrich Nietzsche

I get this goober wants to be technical because there is no obvious commercializing in your face advertising for specific demographics especially the younger audience, this is obviously hidden and veiled because if it was more obvious we’d do something about it, he also doesn’t seem to understand the concept of developing a kink nor sumbliminal messaging, bro was born with all his kinks preinstalled.. “ if you don’t like it, you’re not the target audience” the only way you’re not the target audience for totality of porn is if you’re asexual and even then I’m sure they got something weird for even those individuals somewhere
Please be more mindful of the media you consume and don’t allow others to manipulate you into becoming complacent with evil, be safe everyone

>>7948310
Making of content requires you to know how to set up and operate a camera, directing films also requires you to know how to set up and operate a camera but do you seriously think that shooting videos for of is all the same things you need to know to make a movie?

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Here's a question for yall

If a child makes a crude drawing of a lion that looks cute would it be negativity to say it looks cute instead of saying they're very talented and exeptional and that they should go into an art school to maximize their great potential when there's no indication of anything special?

I've heard the same story a billion times, some kid makes very average drawings or obviously just straight up trace drawings from a comouter screen or a book for their age and adults give them exaggerated compliments for it, then they keep making average drawing without any improvement, get into an art school, now they're making shit drawings because they didn't improve as they aged, graduate with a degree as a participation awards and despite all the compliments nobody wants to buy their art so they start drawing porn or just keep making the same stuff while trading hollow complimentd with their equals to hold on to that delusional encouragement and attention they got as a child

I don't think that bashing art is constructive in any way unless the artist is specifically looking for harsh critique but exaggerated hollow compliments are just as toxic but they're perceived as positivity because you can argue that the intentions behind it are good and ethical unlike with bashing negatively

Why is it so hard to just be honest and say something is just simply decent or okay?

>>7948355
You give them a polite smile, maybe a thumbs up, say "that's cute," then move along which shows you acknowledge the effort but ultimately don't care without being an asshole or a sycophant about it.

>>7948329
>Literally even children are the target audience for porn
I don't draw porn for kids, dude.

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>>7948348
I believe whatever makes you right and me silly.

>>7948361
Yea and neither do pornstars have sex for the viewing of children, it’s the people who advertise and distribute the product, expand your mind, they don’t care about the integrity of the product, they care how many people they can get hooked and eventually sap them for all they have, porn is completely free, yet there are many people out there still paying for it

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>>7948357
I remember as a child seeing another kid fishing for compliments with directly traced drawings and when I told the adults they didn't even draw it so why are they giving compliments and they told me to not spoil their joy by pointing out that it's traced

I was really confused why they would do that, I thought the adults were liars and I ended up saying nothing about it

In kindergarten there were these two girls who would draw messy spirals and say it's a lion or a dog or something and the adults would say it's great

I was confused and said it's just a spiral and not a lion and they disregarded what I said because the big adults were telling the opposite and kept scribbling messy spirals

Why not ask where's the tail, mane and snout etc.?

They would improve on it by adding those elements and then get a light compliment as a reward for improving instead of a toxic participation award

The crazy thing is that this mentality sticks all the way to adulthood, I find it really concerning and am convinced that it's a major reason for why our generation is possibly the worst modern generation of art

It's not even stupidity even though it comes off as such, it's delusion formed by toxic conditioning based on unchecked empathy that ultimately corrupts the mind

Comics...? Manga, even?

>>7948366
AI.

>>7948363
My publisher isn't making porn for kids either man. The target demographic is middle-aged men, not whatever nonsense you cooked up in your head.

/mmg/ - psychology and social sciences

>>7948375
Takes very little effort to see how predatory it all is, feel free to live in your dream land all y;ou like, you and your editor are ants in the porn industry and yet your contributions to it are not separate from it no matter how pure your intentions may be

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>>7948355
Children should be encouraged regardless. However, at the age where they try to take art more seriously, honesty is important or you end up with entitled narcissistic "artists" like Cyraxx.

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>>7947739
>>7948307
And just to clarify, I think that page is good, it's perfectly decent to deliver a good story but I don't see anything visually exceptional there

Wasn't trying to bash the artist at any point

>>7948310
Drawing porn tends to corrupt art styles in the sense that if you're mainly a porn artist your skills for character design, anatomy and writing is optimized for drawing porn

There are examples of porn artists who didn't have this issue but that just means they had additional art skills that didn't come from drawing porn

Fetishy art styles are really easy to spot in comics and it tends to ruin most stories

Robert crumb's style is fetishy but it wasn't as blatant as thick liquids, shiny skin and clothes that look like latex, he seems conscious of all the fetishy stuff so he inserts or keeps them out knowingly

>>7948298
What a retarded way of thinking. Look how stupid it sounds. Imagine im following capcom's street fighter xitter acc. Then suddenly they turn street fighter into a racing game. What do you think is gonna happen, retard?
4channers have the lowest IQ out there.

>>7948457
>Drawing porn tends to corrupt art styles in the sense that if you're mainly a porn artist your skills for character design, anatomy and writing is optimized for drawing porn
Absolute nonsense. Kiyohiko Azuma's skills aren't optimized for drawing porn, and neither is Gamon Sakurai's. Just because you saw some zesty ass twitter artist doesn't mean it's a rule. I can absolutely just switch back to drawing all-ages manga without there being any hint that I've been drawing porn for a few years. None of this contradicts what I said. Porn actors' only overlap with normal actors is the onscreen aspect. Their acting skills don't matter in the slightest, their ability to fuck on camera does. A regular actor's ability to fuck on camera is fucking irrelevant, while their acting skills are paramount. With comics, it's all the same damn thing, whether you're drawing pixelated pussy and penis or not.

what do you guys do when you need to delete pages but every page is so full of information that you dont want to? Does that mean the comic is too dense?

>>7948466
Why do you need to delete them? If the information is important, then don't delete it? If it's not important, then do delete it?
I feel like I don't understand the question that's being asked here.

>>7948467
I'm trying to hit a limit for a contest by editing an old already completed comic by trimming it.

>>7948469
If there are only some bits in the pages you want to keep you might want to draw a new page to replace them that tells the same things but in condensed form.
But if that's case it sounds more like the storytelling's rather too sparse, the opposite of dense. So I'm still not certain I got it.

>>7948471
seeing it as too sparse is changing my viewpoint, thanks. I really dont want to redraw anything but I guess I have to

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>>7947786
The bird doesn't have a shadow before anyone else asks

>>7948461
Speaking of crapcom I had no idea the Legends guy drew porn or that the Zero guy drew porn, it's almost like that anon is completely wrong and only looks at examples that confirm his biases

>>7948476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfaNKs2KZ1o

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Oh boy! The thread's surely moving so quickly, everyone must be so productive and draws tons of—

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>>7948486
You and me both kek

>>7948486
Every time the next day dawns and I check the catalog and see that the thread count has moved by 50-70+ posts, chances are that anons have been yelling at each other over some minutia.

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>>7948476
>>7947786
It's been two pages and I'm already not on model

>>7948489
>Every time the next day dawns and I check the catalog
A mistake, I think.
I'm thinking I should put an internet embargo on myself until at least 6PM every day, to get anything done. Even if it's just to check some "small" thing, opening the browser always turns into doom scrolling / obsessive F5'ing

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Been drawing some concept images for a comic I've been working on for a while. Hows the inking look here?

I've drafted the pencils for the other 5 characters I'm gonna add here, so wanna know what looks right or wrong before I do the inking

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>>7948531
and just for reference, this is the project a year ago

https://imgur.com/a/golden-soil-scene-2-practise-IsYbLxo

Been doing >>7947058 as practise, and sorta 50/50 if ill finish it, or just keep going with it until im happier with the art

>>7948533
looks like terminally online chud attempt at social commentary

>>7948462
>>7948477
Obviously famous artists would have their stuff figured out, I'm talking about the art on /ic/ and social media in general

>>7948540
yes it is

>>7948540
Honestly I think that if you're a terminally online chud it's not a bad idea to make a terminally online chud comic instead of attemptinv something you have no connection to

How do you imply subtle movement in manga? Like someone stepping on a car's pedal?

>>7948533
I'll be honest, everything else here fits together except the
>catch the serial killer that framed him
If the story is realistic, he'd be in jail for life and wouldn't be working at mcdonalds
If the story is unrealistic, he'd be like some Sarah Connor fugitive on the loose, hooking up with arms dealers, not caring about fortnite and feeling emasculated by his sister

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>>7948560
sound effects!

>>7948568
Hmm thought so. Thanks.

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>>7948564
When I did that I think I was just throwing a bunch of shit in to sorta fit his vibe.

> catch the serial killer that framed him

That's a plot point that'll happen around the midpoint, I didnt really share these "storyboards" when I did them, so I guess I was hoping to remind myself of future plot points

>>7948540
>>7948553
I'll actually try and make it subtle though, the other comic I've done, people seem to think the stories pretty good from what I've shared of it, so I'll try to write something actually meaningful, like a modern day Taxi Driver. I'm gonna go in though with the script finished and revise it before hand so I dont spend years on a coal story

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uvBsXSrIdUzGQu-R8fMN91b9nwrwC02J

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Tell me about Otomo, why does he draw his characters from such low angles all the time? Doesn't he know that's the hardest angle to draw and all artists fear it?

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>>7948815

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>>7948816

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So I know I can finish a chapter now but I realize I need more understanding of what it is I want to create. So lemme ask this: Exploratory short comics to further understand my characters and the types of stories I want to write: Is it cringe, or is it based?

>>7948934
Just do whatever you gotta do, man. You don't need permission.

>>7948934
I allow you to

>>7948934
/mmg/ doesnt write characters they write stereotypes.

>>7948963
Speak for yourself.

>>7948963
Ok, and your fully fleshed out character that doesn't hit even a single stereotype is.......?

>>7949001
Your mom.

>>7948934
Make them entertaining
That's all that matters

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The truth is it doesn't matter what you guys said, I was going to do it anyway because I need more comic-making experience, but thank you for the encouragement :) It is much appreciated
>>7948940
You right, thanks chef
>>7948956
You can't tell me what to do
>>7948963
Well, I'm different, so...
>>7949001
I love it when anons goad each other on into posting work. Brings my hopes up that somebody will post more work
>>7949007
haha gottem
>>7949090
>Make them entertaining
>That's all that matters
so true, anon. Last thing I wanna do is bore my reader!! Ew!!!

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>>7946979

>>7949162
Feels like a point 'n click screen, in a good way

>>7948815
it adds a dramatic feel I think. I should do it more

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>>7948476
Which one looks better?

>>7948934
I'm planning to do this also.
Before starting my actual story, I'm going to make a filler episode chapter set in the middle of the story that serves to show off the characterisation of every character, to help me draw and write them better.
Like just a random story where they have to work together to find a lost cat or something.

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Managed to grind out the first two pages of this one-shot over the weekend. I'm constraining myself to around 25 pages total, so the pacing must be a lot faster than my previous chapters. I've thrown on some text for now, but I'm waiting with screentones until I've figured out how to properly scan the pages.

>>7949315
looks amazing dude

>>7949310
Left

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Please tell me this doesn't suck

>>7949359
I like it. My only question is if this is happening in real life or is this some kind of mental thing. Because if this is real life, they are presumably lying on the ground somewhere. I mention this because I had to do a triple take to realize that the bottom panel is NOT a pair of legs just handing somewhere midair but actually lying on the ground. Maybe it's because I haven't had enough coffee, but that's what went through my head at first. Would it be possible to add any details near the bottom panel legs at all? If not, don't worry about it. Overall page makes sense and is more than fine.

>>7949359
It's mediocre in the sense that it's good enough to tell a story, it's not broken but it's very far from what could be done at best

The only thing that's actually bad is the speech bubble

I think you chose the better version, the contrast of white makes it significantly better

Now figure out all the other tricks

I'm getting fat and my comic is going nowhere. This is not good.

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How it feels writing my epic crime drama

>>7949359
i love it very much.
if you rotate that last panel 90 degrees counterclockwise, it’d be perfect.

>>7949448
I hope drawing a page every day will improve my skills

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UUhhh... Have you guys also noticed that manga making is kinda hard or is it just me?

>>7949726
Sunburn anon, those are some insane chicken scratches you've got going on there lol.

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>>7949746
Kaz... I'm already a chicken...

Again as you can see in this thread nobody actually critiques any art that’s posted here, and anybody who does try here is way out of their depth.
A great piece of work gets posted here and only one person comments that it “ looks good” and doesn’t say much else, and not soo good artwork gets several reply’s of nothing advice. Do any of you actually give of fuck?! Or do you all just like being in a quiet, lame ass echo chamber that is this manga thread!?

>>7949793
So, you get mad when people don't critique, and then lambast anyone who does for being "way out of their depth."

What, exactly, is your angle? Do you want people to critique, or not, or what?

>>7949793
I like it as it is. And you're wrong. People criticize each other all the time in here. You must be new.

>>7949804
Of course anyone here who wishes to “critique the art posted here is more than welcome to do so, but it’s is clear that they are casual enjoyers who don’t really know what they are talking about, they can comment all they want, but there is never any depth in this thread and anybody who does depth is met with shunned silence. Nobody here is angry. It’s clear this thread is just a sad echo chamber, and the first sign of any change is met with this kind of vapid response meant to belittle anyone asking for more. You can see it with your own eyes, good art posted here is ignored heavily, nobody ask how they can follow these artists who are actually trying, and the bart that could use work and support is met with in helpful advice made by people who are basically larding in this thread.
I have no idea if my comments will do anything but coming here hoping for more is always met with sensitive little men( or women?) such as yourself who seek to argue than actually uplift yourself as well as the other artists in this thread I guess all I really have to say is for anyone who actually cares about art and manga post your work here and leave because nothing worth while will come from the denizens of 4chan in terms of art critique because your all not serious about this

>>7949793
>A great piece of work gets posted here and only one person comments that it “ looks good” and doesn’t say much else
This happens all the time, mate. Lots of nice pieces get posted but responses are relatively quiet. Been this way for years.

>>7949810
Why don't you just pyw and ask for critique then you retard?

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20th GOT Manga Award will end soon

>>7949813
I’m aware of the complacency in this thread, this is what plagues literally every facet of everything ever. “ it’s always been this way” so you see the pattern, you notice how shitty it is, and yet anyone who comes here and “critiques” the art or the board itself is met with these kinds of responses. You all remind me of spoiled children, getting mad when someone comes in and demands more of you than the bare minimum

>>7949824
What's your point dude? You're just repeating yourself. You're just a useless complainer it seems

>>7949819
What would be the point? To get more of the same responses? Either your better than everyone here and you get no responses or your a beginner and you get critiques from people who aren’t even taking this seriously, oh but you all come out from underneath the couches like cockroaches whenever someone calls you out, how are my responses reviving this thread more than the fucking art that’s being posted?

>>7949824
>someone comes in and demands more of you than the bare minimum
Why do you want to turn responses to posts into a literal job? Anons flit in and out when they want to. Nobody is owed responses. I say this both as an anon who has likely responded to way more art than most anons in /mmg/, and also as somebody who has posted previous artwork/progress in making a comic and gotten virtually zero responses for it. Once I posted a chapter update and got a ton of comments. Once I posted a subsequent chapter update and got crickets. It's just how threads go, dude.

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>>7949793
Trying to shame a community is not going to get them to do what you want. Unironically, be the change you want to see. Make it a point to engage with other artists, as it will encourage others to do the same, and if that's too much work or you find your efforts to be fruitless, you can always just find somewhere else.
For example, I don't like text clogging up art threads, so I just post art and encourage people who do.
>>7949810
To be fair, it takes a lot of work to create a real, consistent investment in a community, and that often comes after a prolonged, dedicated effort from those who genuinely care enough to encourage others, while having the mental stamina not to be run off by negativity. If people want interaction, then they need to interact with others, and nobody really owes anybody anything so it's kind of pointless to complain about it unless the community itself decides that that's something they even want to begin with.
>>7949824
One thing I've noticed is that many places want to play a constant game of "community-building chicken." It's always up to somebody else to do the work, which is why shit doesn't get done. To have nice things, you have to be willing to make the time sacrifice to obtain just the hope that something fruitful will come of it.

>>7949828
You might as well not even type a response, it’s no different than the “advice” that gets posted here. I’m “ critiquing” this thread, I’m critiquing the lack of actual care for art that should be present in this thread. I doubt you even responded to any of the art that was posted here yet THIS is what got you out of your rat hole?! IGNORE ME IF YOU REALLY DONT CARE AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE POSTING ART, but you won’t because you’re either not an artists or you just want to larp as one. Fucking contribute to this thread and its artists or be quiet

>>7949831
See? It's just like that other anon said. No matter what we do you won't be satisfied. Just leave maybe? This board is clearly not for you. I like it here, despite all it's flaws. If you don't, then it's not our problem. The door os open. Now you wanna participate and post your work/comment on others' work, or will you just keep acting cocky? Your replies aren't improving the thread in any way in case you haven't noticed

>>7949834
This is my point, you all come out of the woodworks to comment to my comments instead of actually uplifting your fellow artists, someone posts great art here and you’re all silent yet I show up to fucking shake the cage and only now you come out!? I don’t doubt you’re another larger
>>7949835
I am being the change, but change begins at the roots, how about you all actually get serious instead of doing the bare minimum.
Ah yes the community thread made specifically to critique and build each other up needs to be coerced into doing what they signed up for
You’re correct but if one person is doing all the heavy lifting they get tired, they get bored, they leave because nobody else is even serious about this thread. You seem to be somewhat aware, did you comment and uplift anyone that actually posted art that’s worth aiding?! Not so say you all aren’t worth it but it’s clear when someone is putting their soul into their work and when someone is just doing this shit on their off time because their bored or unsure
It’s hi,arious how comments like mine are what stir the bee hive and good art isn’t, this threads only alive when someone calls y’all out on your bullshit

>>7949839
My replies are the only thing that seem to get you goobers active, you’d think good art being posted or even bad art being posted would get you all off your ass but no, it’s only when someone says “ HEY WAKE UP, THERES ART BEING POSTED” do you all fucking grab your pitchforks AND DO SOMETHING, I’ve posted my art work several times( not in this thread) and then I stopped because it’s always the same, art with soul gets nothing, while art mad e by someone barely trying gets the bare minimum. If shaking the hive is the only way this thread gets any action imo all for it. I’ve been monitoring this thread ALL DAY! And it was slow, uneventful and unuseful. I comment once and you all come running out to defend your shitty thread, you like it here?! No wonder

>>7949848
You're so fucking full of yourself. Your replies are getting our attention because you're being annoying. As simple as that. No one here owes you anything and you have no right to tell other anons what to do with their time. And this freedom is exactly what makes it a nice place to come to. If we were suddenly forced to do what you're asking to, everyone would just leave. I know I would.

>>7949793
can you critique this >>7946915

>>7949848
Also, like I expected, you're a newfag. Why don't you pyw and show us what kind of "soulful that gets ignored" you are talking about? Because that's what this is about isn't it? You got ignored and now you're mad huh? Lol. I've seen a lot people get mad in here for being ignored but none of them ever made this much of a pretentious spectacle about it.

>>7949850
Do you have notifications on 4chan or something? You’re right, nobody here owes me anything, but don’t you feel as sense of duty as a fellow artists to add something of value to a “ARTWORK/CRITIQUE”board?! By all means keep being useless all you want, but your in a critique board and your adding NOTHING, I feel like if you’re here you’re here commenting you should ignore me and comment on other people art instead yet you’re wasting your energy not doing that, so again I say WHY ARE YOU HERE COMMENTING?! You can lurk all you want, but only now do you get off your ass to type and it’s not even to critique the artwork posted here, that’s the issue here buddy, that’s my problem with the “critique thread” is that nobody even does what they signed up for

if someone wants serious feedback they can just ask for it in the post, when you post your art with no explanation or just a "worked on this today" its clear you just want to share and add to the collective soul of /mmg/ and possibly motivate others. Most people who ask for help actually get, like look at this >>7949359 they got 3 different constructive answers.

>>7949852
Honestly good idea

>>7949793
Could you put your money where your mouth is and critique everything in this thread? I’ve responded to alot of people but didnt really get any responses to one of my posts, which im fine with, but hey if you wanna make a difference go ahead and point out the problems with everything in this thread, people would legit appreciate it

>>7949853
I’ve been overlooked all my life, it’s fine, my problem is when I see other anons here who post and are trying and they get nothing or the bare minimum, when I see art that doesn’t even impress me but I can see it had effort and soul it sucks when I see it barely gets a response and some goober posting his farts on paper get several replies but even he or she gets nothing of worthwhile to work off of.

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>>7949845
>if one person is doing all the heavy lifting they get tired, they get bored, they leave because nobody else is even serious about this thread
You either want it badly enough or you don't. I already admin my own community so I have firsthand experience of how much dedication it takes. I like seeing what other artists are creating in here as well but that gets shat on because people like you insist that clogging the thread with stuff isn't actually conducive to drawing should have a place here.
>did you comment and uplift anyone that actually posted art that’s worth aiding?!
Yes, I've done edits for people before even posting my own work, since I actually enjoy supporting fellow artists.
>comments like mine are what stir the bee hive and good art isn’t
"Good art" isn't the only thing that should receive interaction if you want a fruitful community, not to mention that those artists will also often post their work without interacting with others. It seems to be mutual, so I'm not sure why you think some people should receive special treatment while also admitting that you think the crits/interactions they receive aren't "good enough." You don't even appreciate the effort that some people put forth, and instead insist on adding to the problem.
>If shaking the hive is the only way this thread gets any action imo all for it
Or you could just, yknow, post artwork instead of making more textslop lol

>>7949856
You’re in a “critique!” Board anon, everyone here comes for the hopes of getting advice and critique,WHY THE FUCK SHOULD THEY HAVE TO ASK FOR IT?! That’s like me going to a restaurant and the servers saying you gotta ask someone for a menu
That post got the jackpot of replies here and even then it was sad, somehow I got more replies without posting art

>>7949854
You're completely wrong and fucking blind, man... People give critique all the time in here even when you're not even asking for it. Spend more time on the board and stop nitpicking. And try to relax a little, Jesus... It's not always that you'll be in the mood for criticizing other people's work. That takes patience and attention. Many people here barely have time to draw, let alone give this much attention to other people's work.

it ain't an /mmg/ thread unless at least one guy is losing his mind.

>>7949861
is this your first week on Earth? If you want feedback on something, ask for it. If you just want to share a page and gauge initial responses, you'll get it. Lack of response is still a valuable response. If someone posts something that has a serious problem, it will be pointed out. Number of replies means nothing, And MMG is not a restaurant, its a bar. We already established that canon.

You saying your whining post got the most replies as if it means anything, shows your problem. If you want people reacting to your a manga out of interest, you need to experience ego death and realize nobody cares.

>>7949861
Oh my fucking God... why do people get so stuck up on the name of the board? IT'S JUST A FUCKING NAME! Have you looked at the catalog? Can't you see there's a lot more to this board than mere critique? If you want critique there are specific threads for it or you can even make your own. But don't try to turn the whole board into a single thing because that's not what it is and never will be.

>>7949866
This anon gets it.

>>7949860
You admin your own community? Most likely another sad echo chamber no different from nasty discord community’s how am I shitting on the thread when this is the most movement this thread has gotten since I started typing?! Barely anything anyone’s posted here has been conductive so you should really be more active if this is really who you are. You’ve done edits? Is this your art you’re posting here?! Of it is I see why nobody frequents this board aside from those who don’t actually want to improve.
You only hear what you want to. ALL THE ART HERE SHOULD GET MORE THAN THE BARE MINIMUM it’s a critique thread
Posting art just gets the same shitty reactions so clearly just “DO MORE OF THE SAME THING” isn’t it, nor am I claiming this is going to help either, most likely you’ll all just go back to the same rhythm after I’m done here

>>7949871
Its obvious that you're only this mad because you are bad and no cares about your art.

>>7949871
None of this shit matters. Anons who are bound to improve will improve no matter what happens to this thread. Even all this complaining you're doing will have zero impact on the long run. Half the people here now will no longer be here next year and will be replaced by a new batch of aspiring mangaka. Like the other anon have said, you gotta realize this really doesn't matter and no one cares.

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>>7949871
>Most likely another sad echo chamber no different from nasty discord community’s
LOL. LMAO even. Now name how many discords you've been kicked from.

Also nobody owes you critique, it's free labor. You get what you get, and you're grateful when you get it. You want a guaranteed critique? Buy a class. I cannot believe you actually have me defending this thread kek, no shade to the drawfriends either, but cmon. You don't sound like you actually give a fuck about this community, you're just mad that the community isn't catering to you specifically.

Anyways god bless, anon, I hope you figure it out one day because you are just loud and wrong.

>>7949866
You must be on here a lot and only remember the fond memories of occasional action in this thread because almost nobody is ever “losing their minds” here
You’re right, lack of response can be valuable, but when it’s the default in this thread for almost everybody posting there’s a problem.
Very cool, analogy, this is certainly the shittiest bar I’ve ever been to where the bartender won’t even acknowledge you to ask what you want to drink and when he does he gives you only two drinks to choose from, “ mediocre advice or useless praise” pick one anon.
Please don’t bring up ego death as if you aren’t speaking purely from your fat ego right now.
>>7949868
“It’s just a name” it’s the identity of the fucking board, if the name of the board reflected what was actually in it it wouldn’t have the same name. A name has power, it’s what brings people here, spend time in any other board and you’ll see nobody stays on topic no matter what board their on, this is fine but when someone comes in asking for what is “advertised” the fact you all get upset like little monkeys is what’s hilarious, you’re right, it’s exactly like a dive bar, because when someone who isn’t a fucking bum or a druggie comes in to the bar and ask for a rum and coke he’s laughed at and kicked out of the bar and called crazy. By all means keep drinking your sludge anons but if someone comes in to make you see you’re worth more, have the humility to look at yourselves and see you’re worth more.


The amount of replies I get means a bit considering you all only put in the effort when it’s your egos on the line and not someone else’s art. If you want to fuck around and post your art with no reply’s make your own thread or something, don’t come into into the manga thread where people want responses and critique!!

>seethes about not getting critique for
>no work posted
Looks likes he didn't what it bad enough

>>7949883
>but if someone comes in to make you see you’re worth more, have the humility to look at yourselves and see you’re worth more.
At least you understand that you are the one who's out of place here. If you were to drop the all high and mighty act and share a few drinks with us you'd notice it's a nice and comfy place.

>don’t come into into the manga thread where people want responses and critique!!
Anyone who's been here for a while knows exactly what to expect from this thread. You’re literally the new guy trying to change the culture of something that's been here for longer than you have. Get off that high horse man...

>>7949878
“ name how many discords you’ve been kicked from” it’s easy to see you get a big fat head over the fact you have a shitty little discord community of echo monkeys, this is common in even the smallest of communities, the fact you hold this up as some badge of honor is funny.
“ I can’t believe you actually have me defending this thread” good you finally got off your ass to do more than the bare minimum and it’s only to not critique the art posted here, good job I guess
I’m not even upset, it’s just sad to see soo many people here get more riled up over what they perceive to be an anon yelling in a corner than actually talking about the art posted here, fuck off ur high horse and god bless you also
>>7949877
You’re right anon, the only real artists here will forge on ahead while they leave this shit as thread behind while everyone else is still making onehsots that go nowhere. Half of the people here are going to give up considering the responses they get from the bottom of the barrel. You could change that by talking to them and not me, why don’t you go do that?! No instead you’ll all defend your egos instead of just helping your fellow artists beyond your shitty discord echo chambers full of losers that you hand picked because they align with your own shitty beliefs.
>>7949875
I want you all to care about others art work that’s already been posted here, not my own, stop talking to me and talk to the people actually POSTING ART!!!

okay thats enough, lets move on

>>7949888
Anon I had a couple drink in this place, I’m drinking right now, maybe that’s why I’m ranting, but you all seem to think it’s for my sake, NO IGNORE ME ALL YOU WANT BUT HELP THE OTHER PEOPLE HERE POSTING, my arts probably going to be ignored for ever who knows?! But it’s awful to see almost all the art here ignored
Have you ever seen any sort or media ever? It’s the one who comes in believing in himself and his ability to change the status quo that should be aided and heard, but as those stories will show you, it’s always met with the cold shoulder just like now except I don’t believe it will be me who changes anything, it will be you all, maybe you’ll decide to change things and make a bigger difference than I alone ever could. Coincidentally enough it is you all who ride upon the high horse while I am at the bottom looking up at all of you telling you to get down and help others learn to ride the horse.

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>>7949895
Agreed. This nigga is tiring. Gonna sleep... Gn fellow MANGA MAKERS!!!

>>7949900
Gonna sleep the problem away, I won’t be here anytime soon, maybe never again, goodnight anon, if only you’d tire yourself out critiquing others work

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>>7949891
yea well you're a big fat poopie head, and you dont even post drawings to respond to!!! god bless you x2
>>7949899
Anon... put the bottle down...
>>7949895
ok based and fair mb back to drawing

>>7949899
Anon... don't you understand that what you're seeing here is what happens to everyone when they've been here for a while? You could call it becoming complacent, but nowadays, I think it's part of maturing up and getting used to this community. Stay here long enough and you'll become just like us, and then you'll realize that you're really overreacting.

>>7949899
>drinking
purple grimling with yellow eyese faggot or ugly faggot with the shitty ass big feet cartoon. which one are you?
>>7949901
nigger you could've just posted your work, you didn't have to tard over any of this.

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>>7946915
I’ll say this
First panel from the top left
We should be able to see more of her face
She sounds scared and defensive, it would be nice to see her facial features so we can see her emotions instead of more of the background
The next two panels
The “ silence!” Panel is fine but the problem I have is with the second action panel, it doesn’t look like she is swinging a whip like thread it looks like the whip is sentient and is moving on its own. The silence panel could have a more dramatic swing to it perhaps if her elbow is above her brow line. And the action panel of the whip moving should be above ground level.it looks more like the whips momentum is traveling from the ground up which could work if the movement of the user is better conveyed, it just looks like the woman moves her arm and the whip acts on its own
The middle panel is nice and the bottom panel with the woman yelling is fine also
The bottom right panel is again more focused on showing the background and outfit of the character more than the reaction of the character seeing the event play out


Don’t bother going back to fix any of this, it’s a waste of time, just continue on from here

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>>7949902
You’re the poopie head! Maybe I’ll post….one day
Maybe if someone here was as drunk as I AM idk…
>>7949904
Maybe but also maybe I don’t ever want to become complacent with anything?! I need to think further about this

Do you guys ever think that “ bad art” has more soul than good art? I mean look at the omegaverse pic posted, it’s not Picasso but it still makes me feel something

>>7949917
thank you. I do want to redo the motion of the whip since I just winged it and went for "impossible physics" but maybe in the future.

>>7949906
Would you like to know anything anon?I have to be the bartender here for a bit, I liked it, it reminds me of some random shit you’d probably see at 3am in Japan.

I don’t like how the comic starts with hibi jabibi but ignores him after he gets his shit rocked, why was he introduced?! If he died it would be find but as far as we know he only got his shit rocked.
The telletubbie equestrian characters are neat and I like the design but they all look too similar, maybe give them some defining features aside from tones and one being more square, Jabibi only comes back to interact with who is introduced as a villain. Can we see more jabibi? Even if he’s just on the floor suffering from brain hemorrhage
The comedy is nice but things move super fast, the final page doesn’t make too much sense, square habibi just says” there’s an enemy?!” And then it ends?!
Also weird volume panels on the middle right? What does that convey?
Please incorporate more wacky humor like how square habibi wasn’t affected by crotch punch

Please have these characters feel a bit more grounded and normal so when the action starts there’s a real big contrast, I’d imagine these habibis work shitty part time jobs but when action starts they become wacky cartoon characters eventually transcending poverty and becoming u,timate habibi

>>7949946
Please just keep moving forward, I can’t condone wasting time fixing pages unless you’re trying to sell this to some manga company as a one shot. I say continue progressing the story and just improve from here, once you become popular and people demand a rework and pay you for it, then you should go back and fix stuff. It wasn’t soo bad, I could tell what was happening, the way I saw it, I’d imagine she swings her arm as hard as she can because the whip is already on the floor resting, and the momentum travels upward and we see it come alive like a snake where finally the momentum travels upward and strikes the character getting hit, the only thing you’d need to “fix is the arm movements, one for the initiation of force to look more powerful and angled more upwards and the panel where the whip is moving have her arm cocked back, I’d suggest just looking at videos of people using whips and see how it looks, then just exaggerate it as much as you can for fun

Guys I yelled soo much…. Now its quiet

Is this what it’s like to suffer from alchoholism?!

>>7949810
I'm not really sure what you're hoping for. What does your ideal critique look like? Would you mind demonstrating?

Saying things like >>7948011 is what it actually means to be out of your depth. If you try to play teacher unsolicited while having no context, no idea what the intent is and likely little to no experience to even back your words it's just really easy to come off as a jerk who assumes i'm barely above eating crayons. Or at best you just look like a know nothing who might find crayons have an interesting taste.

>>7949959
I guess just to hear the first words that come to your mind, almost no filter. Even the smallest things. Even odd uneventful works can have much said about them, just remove any filter and say what comes to mind, it’s better than simple praises and prevents overthinking of constructive criticism, I’d rather hear the un filtered thoughts of what runs through the mind of someone reading the page over an in depth analysis of what someone did wrong or right( not to say this doesn’t have its place in critique) but I find just getting raw feedback is better and more fun. If somebody can’t think of what to say either they should just leave it to someone else or somehow,somebody managed to make art that isn’t worth any words which I feel is almost impossible

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>>7949906
Man after reading through it closely, I get the absurdist humor your going for but its not really landing. I get most of the jokes but they are either drawn too poorly or the dialogue needs editing. Like the second page I think is the best drawing, but the poor first page worsens the joke. Like I drew an example of how I would draw it, cause for one you have that one close up drawing of the eyes. In that panel it should be flipped, cause your reading right to left and having him turn in the middle makes no sense. Plus if you want the more absurd cartoon character do a kool aid man bit in the second page the first page should be drawn better so you fool the reader more when you introduce this absurd creature.
As for the jokes like I said they are there but you gotta write better or omit some dialogue.Like you got this line
>he was never seen from again after that
just fucking say
>and he was never seen again
or better yet, just dont have the text at all, the joke still works fine without it. It actually be better if you do like a superimpose drawing of the frog boy and take out the text.
As for the next joke, again consider the flow of dialogue, the character stresses "IM LATE" right? So instead of saying
>Yippe! Im home!
He should still be stressing that hes late, allude to the thing hes worried about by saying something like
>COME ON COME ON
or have him panting all the way home, like theres plenty of cartoons gags of characters crashing out running but whats make it funny is the stress

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>>7949952
Hahaha thanks. This is a spinoff, and does make a bit more sense if you're more familliar with my main series. That said, Hibi jabibi is a random no-one who's vaguely a parody of nobito, and a parody of kid MC that are common in this genre of comics. It was intentional as this is a one shot I submitted to coro coro, and a lot of the gag comedy start with the relatable self insert grade schooler. Oswald is the MC, and kind of crashes through that trope. The cat is a doraemon parody... and coro coro publishes doraemon... I agree the pacing is rushed, and Ulmer (chubby lazy one) and Aster's (serious boxy one) personality don't get to shine as much, but I was trying to meet deadlines. Oh and those weird volume panels are transition panels... i see them used often in coro coro comics, so I thought I'd try them too. It's not something i've done before. Last page, Aster hears Oswald, and thinks an enemy might be there... but Last panel is oswald lamenting cartoon time is over and his journey ends in failure with it now being the regular news hour. Thank you for taking the time to read it!

>>7949913
And for this page you got panels reversed
The panels should go as
>I JUST CLEANED IT!
>I thought the window was open!
But you have it in reverse, you started with the punchline and it just reads as awkward
Also by god for the pissed looking teletubby freak FLIP HIS FUCKING DRAWING MY GOD YOU HAVE HIM STARING AWAY FROM THE CHARACTERS THE ENTIRE TIME
I was almost convinced that it was gonna be a running joke but then you do have him facing left on that last page >>7949929 so no fuck that it just reads as a mistake