>>50615265
Dunno about the other questions, but a human that leaves the village is free game afaik.

>>50615265
You forgot to ask why youkai take on a humanoid female form when they're supposed to inspire fear

>>50617812
I know a guy who's scared of women

>>50617812
I am scared of pretty women. I am also scared of normal women, but to a lower degree. I laugh at ugly women.

>>50617812
That's because around 150 years ago there was some erotic drawings of yokais depicted as humanoid women that sold like hotcakes in gensokyo, which implanted the idea that yokais could be humanoids (you can fuck with) into the subconscious of people.

>>50615265
>How long would it take for a native Gensokyo youkai to unravel if they were teleported in the Outside World's skeptical environment?
I'm not that deep in Touhou lore, but some anons here have mentioned that there are youkai in the outside world living just fine, which does open some interesting scenarios. With the Moriya's backstory we do know that gods are the ones who are really kicking the bucket

>>50617812
They inspire fear by eating humans, they look like women to lure in humans.

>>50615265
>Do human-turned-youkai require belief
Youkai require sense of purpose, gods require belief/faith.

>How long would it take for a native Gensokyo youkai to unravel
Youkai are shown/said to be going outside all the time in new and old canon.

>If a human ate the flesh of a slain youkai, would they be transformed into a youkai?
Probably not if there wasn't any myth behind it like with mermaids. The sake bug's sake doesn't affect humans negatively, so something coming from a youkai isn't inherently corrupting. I am pretty sure they ate something made of youkai meat early on in Lotus Eaters.

>>50615265
>Is any non-divine supernatural being absorbed into the umbrella category of "youkai" even if the being is unrelated to japanese folklore?
As a matter of fact, yes, because youkai is a broad term used to name anything or anyone supernatural. Furthermore, divine beings are also youkai, in fact, there are a lot of legends where youkai end up becoming protectors of humans and the latter in return worship them, turning them into the gods of said people. This means that youkai who stick around humans too much, like Kogasa or Mystia, have a real chance to become head figures of a human cult

>>50618053
>This means that youkai who stick around humans too much
Could humans turn unwilling youkai into gods and force them to do their bidding? Or else they don't get any faith

>>50618053
imagine if an angelic being from an abrahamic cosmology found itself in gensokyo, there could be an ontological struggle about which cosmic narrative prevails.

>>50615265
too green...
-In theory no protection. They can get attacked but it's probably mostly at night when attacks happen.
-Depends on who you ask sometimes even kami are treated as a type of youkai. PMiSS has even outsiders in the "youkai encyclopedia".
-afaik we have no info in canon.
-Probably depends on the type of youkai. Animal youkai seem to be save to eat.
-Probably depends, again. With post-humorous youkai I think they would banish, others like magicians might go back to being a normal human(maybe instantly aging or not). Also purpose seems to be the important part for an individual as >>50618043 says. Believe seems to matter mostly "species wide" so to say.
-They seem very unchanging so they should be pretty pure. Unless I'm forgetting something.
-As anons said. Take Mamizou as an example. But some might struggle a lot or be really weak so they'll probably feel more comfortable in Gensoukyo, or banish there.

>>50617812
Women get many to be irrational, whenever it's a nerd spooked by women or someone who thinks he's lucky for following an uncanny girl in a pretty dress, in a place where nobody should dress so fancy, maybe with a stench of dead. Yup, following that girl into that dark cave is probably for the best!
Also youkai has the part of woman in the first kanji: You(妖) - Woman(女). Same "you" as used in fairy(yousei)

>>50618067
iirc Kanako talked about gods becoming pretty much youkai extorting faith of others. Going by CoLA gods have at least one extra "component" that youkai do not have.
So it seems that youkai-kami could always drop the kami part and go back to youkai or become a "wicked god".
It might work if the youkai really likes being worshiped, but it could backfire.

>>50615265
Oho! Good thread spotted. As for the questions.
>It's a bit hard to say. There are some indications that villagers that wander too far ARE likely to be killed. But it's honestly hard to say by what or who. Bears and Wolves are still a thing, after all. Same for non Youkai problems like Evil spirits, Phantoms, or even particularly malicious fairies not understanding that humans don't respawn. If I have to guess, I would say they are protected... assuming a Youkai is close by who is willing to protect them. Akyuu certainly seems to travel around with no problem, but then she is also very important and it's pretty likely she has some Youkai shadowing her in case she runs into anything dangerous.
>Yes, but this is probably mostly just local habits rather than actual metaphysical reality. There isn't much to imply that, say, Fae in Germany or Ireland were just a different type of Youkai as much as they probably just followed the same rules as Youkai. There is of course the little matter of the Lunarians supposedly creating all Youkai, but trying to combine that with foreign myths and their respective monster origin stories is probably pointless.
>We don't know since the human village is terminally underwritten. Boring answer, but it's the best I can give. The only half human we see live outside the human village or are closer to werewolves. I have some actual headcanon theories about it, but those are 100% based on nothing.
>Very good question, and most likely it depends on the youkai. Most famously there is the myth about eating a mermaid's flesh turning you immortal. You could argue that counts as transforming into a Youkai, though It does make me wonder what Reimu would do if that was the case. Can't exactly kill a immortal person.
>It's hard to say. I'm just going to ignore magicians, since they seem to run on their own weird rules, and start off with the big one: Fortune Teller. His existence did seem to be tied to his book (And specifically plagiarism of his text) which is why Reimu burned it even after killing his body. That does seem to imply that they do still need something to anchor them to the world.
>Good question. Don't think the topic was ever mentioned, not even when Reisen and Tenshi met.
>Honestly, probably very long. The likes of Mamizou was still active in the outside world until very recently. While things are very much on the decline there are still seemingly Youkai around, possibly even quite a few of them.

>>50617812
To lure in outsiders, going by PMISS.

>>50618053
>Kogasa
She's already leveraging her status as a one eyed being to great effect. Soon she'll become a god of wisdom.

>Mystia
She will become worse than a God, she will become a idol.

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>>50615265
>Are Celestials considered pure by Lunarian standards?
The Celestials still value hedonism according to PMiSS, Yukari also say that the majority have not truly earned their status and simply ascended out of luck or circumstance, meanwhile, the Lunarians have sterilized themselves so completely that they don't seem to enjoy anything or want anything beyond keeping themselves isolated, Toyohime is the exception since she's the only Lunarian known to be enjoying peaches and relaxation.

>>50615265
>Is any non-divine supernatural being absorbed into the umbrella category of "youkai"
no.
>even if the being is unrelated to japanese folklore?
being japanese seemingly is not required to count as a youkai, youkai exist (or, could exist) worldwide.
>Is human-youkai romance officially treated as taboo, left unspoken about, or negotiated in secret?
if it existed it would be taboo, yes, because villagers are generally untrusting of all youkai
>Do human-turned-youkai require belief like most youkai do in order to persist existentially?
the mechanics of how belief affects youkai are not 100% clear, it's not even sure if natural born youkai would completely stop existing without belief
>Do they vanish from existence or return to an ordinary human state if they are disbelieved in?
i don't think you can be cured of being a youkai
>Are Celestials considered pure by Lunarian standards?
yes
>How long would it take for a native Gensokyo youkai to unravel if they were teleported in the Outside World's skeptical environment?
unclear, see above. several youkai lived for a long time in the outside world without ever mentioning any adverse effect and "native gensokyo youkai" don't seem to have any special difference from outside youkai. so even if it seems strange, they might all be able to survive indefinitely in the outside world

>>50618067
this is an actual thing in shinto, enshrining an evil spirit and worshipping it to turn it into a benevolent kami

Are fairies able to have children? Fundamentally they are minor deities and deities can have children, be they by humans or anything else, but what I mean is what do they look like physically in canon. Hirasaka is a pedo so he always draws them as childish as possible but that's not necessarily the case, since while idiots, they are capable of taking care of themselves.

>>50625414
Fairies are not minor deities they are a species of youkai

>>50622455
>No, NO ! DON'T GIVE ME FOOD AND GOLD ! PLEASE NO I WILL LOOSE MY MALEVOLEN- AAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIII!

>>50625414
>Are fairies able to have children?
Short answer? Ask Marisa's dad
Long answer? They might be able to, emphasis on might. The only species so far which are guaranteed not to be able to have offspring are ghosts and vampires, because the latter is dead, and ghosts are more dead

>>50630004
>and ghosts are more dead
So you say, anon, but there are stories about men having amorous affairs with ghosts, and after a generous donation of the male's "life energy" and maybe some other conditions being fulfilled, they are brought back to life.
Admittedly, this could only apply to the recently deceased and those who died young.

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>>50629670
>Eastern and Little Nature Deity
>Strange and Bright Nature Deity
>Clownpiece
>Larva
>pic

>>50630004
What about Youmu, she's literally half dead. Don't give me that translation junk either, she's half-yuurei and anyone would call that a ghost. Zun refers to her both as half dead and as a half spirit, using the term haafu which implies she's half japanese and half ghost in the offspring sense, though he also uses the terms half as in divided in half as well.

>>50630401
>but there are stories
post a few
>>50630496
aren't fairies also given form thanks to magic or something?

>>50630533
according to whats established, phantoms can originate even out of living beings, so someone up Youmu's family line awakened her stand and passed the half phantom condition down using their human half. Thats the only explanation I can think of

>>50630537
There are multiple stories in Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio that explicitly refer to ghosts either returning to life or becoming corporeal enough to bear children as a result of protracted intercourse with the world of the living (The Magic Sword and the Magic Bag, Twenty Years a Dream as one translation renders them). There's also a folk tale of some prominence regarding a ghost visitation that would have led to them coming back to life had some specific condition not been broken. There are apparently many examples of this but one of the earliest is in Phlegon's book on marvels. There could be a similar ghost story in the Soushen Ji but I can't recall one.
None of these are directly Japanese but I find it difficult to believe they don't have at least one variant on the theme.

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>>50615265
Dang even Gensokyo getting flooded with Indians (monsters). Can't escape the pooing

>>50630533
Could easily have originated from the union of a male phantom with a female human mother, which reduces the issue to the dead parent only being unable to nurture life in the womb, much like how dhampirs usually have the vampire be the father.

https://youtu.be/GnQoyw6ZFNI?si=qZY303vQdHEHGZpR

https://youtu.be/HSmLT5HlUTg?si=8zoTHOtWKrHCIWJT

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>>50617812
They're stupid.
They value looking good over an easier time gathering fear.
That's actually just how they look.
Take your pick.

>>50622455
Really? I guess I can see why some youkai would rather stay away from humans even if they are good (maybe especially if they are good). They don't want to find themselves one day enslaved to them
>>50625414
Fairies originate from 'nature's lifeforce', so they don't really need it and wouldn't be able to, but who knows
>>50630853
Bear in mind that in-universe, not every folktale automatically means that its true. For example, vampires are supposed to be weak against religious symbols, and yet Remilia has a collection of them in her mansion, probably way back before she went to Gensokyo, or that legendary samurai cutting Kasen's arm with the Oni Cutter sword, when she did it so herself

Also, there's the problem with touhou ghosts being lethal to touch, which Akyuu mentions. So its fair to assume that ghosts cannot have offspring
>>50631055
But phantoms barely have a semi tangible physical form to do that. What >>50630551 seems to be more plausible

>>50631663
>vampires are supposed to be weak against religious symbols, and yet Remilia has a collection of them in her mansion
this is answered in Strange Creators of Outer World/Introduction of Previous Works/Embodiment of Scarlet Devil/Fragment of Phantasy

>>50631334
Sorry for greenposting, but
>that sudden surge of views at 4:47
I know everyone who watched that video wanted to put babies inside that tanuki.

>>50631663
>Also, there's the problem with touhou ghosts being lethal to touch, which Akyuu mentions
That's the Yuyuko kind of ghost. Akyuu mentions the Youmu kind of ghosts are similar to fairies but originating from temperament instead of nature.

>>50631663
Touhou does like playing around with its inspirations, so certain stories are taken up literally, others have their details shifted around, a third group is revealed to be completely different from its most common narratives (FS in particular seems to like this), and the foundational explanation for these workings can be different from real life examples, so you never know.
That said, contact between ghosts and living people seems to go both ways, so the inherent state of ghosts brings the living closer to death (true even for phantoms, since while they may not be spirits of the deceased, they are intensely cold, and cold is death), while ghosts can become more alive if they interact with people in certain ways, provided the people don't join them in the process. A canon example is that Eiki warns Youmu how spending too much time in the world of the living will make her human side outweigh her phantom side. This might only apply to halflings like her, of course.
Perhaps this ultimately comes down to just how much sway the natural tendency to generate life has in the setting. Certainly you'll never be shown any decisive evidence one way or the other.
>They don't want to find themselves one day enslaved to them
This seems like it depends on a good few factors. Genuinely malevolent kami that have existed since forever can probably only be propitated rather than pacified. Evil spirits or those holding grudges I think are usually satisfied to receive offerings and worship, assuming they aren't just purified and sent on their way. If Youkai cannot be reoriented into more beneficial directions without outright being destroyed, I suppose they would have good reason to be wary. This is only if entities and things even can be destroyed in the fullest sense.

>>50615265
Touhou's endlessly reinterpretable lore is what makes it appealing compared to more rigid cosmologies

>>50631008
kek

>>50631008
>ror

>>50615376
Is it true?

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>>50615265
I'm happy to see that my nigga Gin lives on in Gensokyo.

>>50644966
Man, I wish the human village was weirder.

It should feel like a cross between Penguin Village and pre corruption Tazmilly.

>>50630853
Old tales seem to have very "physical" ghosts and undead.
>Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio
Seems interesting guess it goes into my endless to-read list.
Going by Touhou rules tho, since ghosts and phantoms seem so pure they are probably "too unchanging" I would say to get anyone pregnant.
I also think there was a Japanese myth or urban legend about ghosts leaving the body of someone still alive without the person dying. Will try to find it.

>>50625414
They seem to be the opposite of ghosts/lunarians with their unchanging purity so maybe...
That said, they seem to lean into the eternal via infinite regeneration so who knows if they would be able to carry another life form inside before "overwriting" it. Or maybe it works but no fairy has survived 9moths without dying.
It's all speculation here unlike with some fantasy writers getting specific about elves and whatever other races.

>>50622455
Isn't it rather pacifying an evil spirit and enshrining it rather than forcing it to become one?
Well I guess they're kinda similar