I tried the demo and it's a really fancy game, but I couldn't play it much because the text is too small, my vision kept getting blurry after focusing for more than 10 seconds.

I wonder what it's like...

Why is it less expensive than the previous one (ten bucks less)? The lack of publisher?

>>50623846
no plus disk/expansion

>>50623642
/v/ tourist here, don't know shit about touhou, but I'm a big fan of dungeon crawlers, are these games good?

>>50623867
2 was excellent mechanically, even for non-2hu fans. Though the "dungeon" itself was very boring, a literal white grid with some hazards occasionally.
3 massively improved the look/feel of the dungeon but I haven't gotten to play past the demo yet so I can't comment on its long term depth.

While I am excited to play another game in this series (the first two were great) I am sad to know that my favorite almost certainly did not make the roster.

So I probably won't be as motivated as I could be to finish this time. I owe the guy at least a few of dollars after thousands of hours in the prequels.

>>50623849
Oh, thanks. So this might get DLC?

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Man he really went all out with the random UI effects. Glad he at least added an option to turn off the hitstop from the demo.

>>50623932
Its a non-zero chance, but theres no telling how long it will take.

>>50623642
Is it too early to ask if this game's a good starting point for the series? Never got around to playing 2, but these are massive games.

>>50624298
They're not connected at all so you can start wherever, the only issue would be getting too used to the newer game and going back to a lower production quality version later if you wanted more.

So do the AI assets look like shit or are they at least touched up enough to not be super noticeable?

>>50624653
I haven't even noticed them yet. The characters are all just the same sprites from 2 re-used. Supposedly the AI stuff is some icons and backgrounds that were upscaled with waifu2x.

>>50624666
Cool. I'll probably get it after I finish 2, then.

is there no longer instant encounter button ?

>>50624866
V be default on 3 for some reason

Lunatic difficulty is rough going so far. Having to back off and strategize to fight Cirno is embarassing. Can't imagine how insane this will get when I'm fighting actual real bosses.

>>50624653
It's just icons and backgrounds I have no fucking idea why 3peso decided to do this, he could have just reused BGs from 2 and icons can be whatever. Game is great but now whenever I rec it people go "AIslop aaaaaaaaaaaaa"...

Another dogshit fangame for secondaries to slop up! Yum!

>>50625715
Buy an ad retard

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Kinda disappointed that after all the delays we didn't get new artwork for everyone.
Also is it me or are normal enemies harder than they were in 2? I'm returning to base much more often and even got defeated a few times because I couldn't deal with multiple transforming enemies in time.
Renko is very cute and I hope I can keep her after I get Reimu back

>>50625764
Normal enemies aren't that troublesome, rare enemies are party wipes

>>50624653
The AI is only used for a handful of backgrounds and icons and even then they are being replaced by real art in updates. Played for 8 hours and didn't even notice anything looking off.

>>50625764
Glad it isn't just me, some enemy spawns just beat my ass. I love it, makes my asshole pucker every encounter

>>50623642
Oh shit, 2 is one of my favorite games ever, thank you anon wouldn't have known about 3 without you

/v/irgin here, where can I pirate it? It's still not up on the usual place

>hurf durf just buy it
I'm brown

Seconding this >>50627898 but I'm Jewish and love free stuff.

>>50627953
Was the game promised to you

Gonna grab it later, I waited too long for this and even skipped buying 2 on Steam because I was waiting too long to buy it.

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Alright the upgrade system is cool but I might have fucked myself for lunatic cirno starting out.
If you make an item +1, it consumes that item and all future items will now be +1. So if you had like 5 power bracers, now you have 4 power bracer +1s

Though if you only had one... well, goodbye for now power bracer.

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>>50631776
Actually wait nvm seems Alice can duplicate it even with 0 in stock.

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Also if you get into a battle on these white tiles, it seems a rare monster has a 100% spawn rate. Good way to farm.

>>50627898
>>50627953
It's up on rin now

>>50631824
That's a nice info.
I'm playing Hard now and already on the 3rd floor. The skill effects are too flashy for me just like Pachinko, but I found the system quite enjoyable like 2. Hopefully the bosses are more fun.

Boy howdy Marisa was a tough fight and this is still pretty early in the game, too. I do like how these games, on Hard/Lunatic, just show you a bullshit situation and tell you to figure it out with the tools provided. In this case the puzzle ended up not being too hard but it still feels satisfying to put all the pieces together to win. In this case the solution to the puzzle ended up being "Stack Patchy's MND as high as possible" but still.

>>50632093
I didn't have patchy so i megabuffed Hecatia to tank master spark

>>50632093
Marisa's a bit of a weird difficulty spike compared to the bosses after her.

>>50631863
Thanks, mate.

Cirno is raping the shit out of me on hard mode. What am I supposed to do when there's level caps and literally no options early on? Just grind money for stats? I am assuming that those stats gets capped due to hard mode as well

Alice does some awesome damage but the fight is still RNG, my best attempt lost with Fagrno at just 4% HP

>>50633743
Grind out some frozen frogs, they really help.

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First boss to stump me for a bit, had to stack nearly 300 MYS and all the buffs in the world to survive this shit

>>50623642
Is Doremy good? Loved the 2nd game so I hope this is good too

>>50635244
She's good enough she's considered an "elite" character, of which you can (initially) only have one of in your party at a time. I haven't used her much because of this since Hecatia is a lot easier to use, but she seems to have a strong gimmick based around WRY, which basically means she's an expert at making hitting an enemy's weakness hurt even harder. She also has a very specialized pair of spells that reduces the value of Damage Taken Down and Damage Inflicted Up buffs on enemies, which is EXTREMELY useful when it comes up. Looking at her future skills she gets a very funny ultimate spell that hits every single element at the same time, and can be enhanced to deal 2% of max HP as fixed extra damage which sounds like it's going to be super powerful in the late late game. Because of her weakness hitting gimmick she also gets a lot of elemental coverage even before her funny ultimate.

>>50633761
She was adjusted in the newest patch tonight along with a shitload of QoL and performance boosts
>[Balance] Further adjusted a certain Lv 27 Hard/Lv 23 Lunatic boss.
> This boss's final attack should be less difficult to survive compared to how it was in ver1.005. However, in return, the rest of the fight leading up until that point has been made a little harder.

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These rare mobs dont fuck around

>>50635564
Her other damage spells also do extra damage if the enemy has debuffs or ailments while also extending the duration of the ailments or power of the debuffs. Her purpose is to bully bosses.
All the elite characters are very strong and honestly justify the party limit.

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Has anyone found a way to get that chest?

>>50635564
So Hecatia is an "elite" too? Damn they were my two most wanteds, can you eventually field more than one?

>>50636023
I'm assuming this is the case since the UI element for them shows as 1/1, but I'm not far enough in to know for certain.

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>>50635938
Yes. There is a hidden path that warps you there. I want to say it was the one to the east of it. Map spoilered

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Trust issues: activate
Theres invisible paths where you can just walk off the map into other areas/chests.

>>50636030
I'm guessing that grey line at the bottom is another one of these. Fucking hell I hate shit like this so much.

>>50636023
Yeah, there's an item that increases the cap later on.

cirno filtered my ass like 5 times on lunatic
its gonna be a painful ride

>>50633754
>>50633743
And that's why I always play on normal, my gamer skills diluted with age

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>>50636030
Thanks anon. Somehow I only missed this map and I progressed smoothly after.

Whip out those tier lists guys, I want to know if I am being retarded by investing all my shekels on Meiling.

Anyone else getting bottlenecked by sunstones? I want to keep everyone decently caught up but farming hordes to upgrade main equipment is a hassle.

>>50638415
You get Kanako pretty soon who can be built like a brick house.
Momiji later is an obvious choice who will my favorite pick.

I see Mokou and Tenshi also comes much later and Mokou was a really gimmicky tank in 2 but very good at that gimmick. Haven't gotten far enough to get them yet.

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Can't go wrong with the Hong. You just need to believe.

>>50638551
>Full +10 growths in every stat
Damn, anon. That's crazy.

>>50638415
Meiling is good but goes from a tank to a physical brawler later on

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How do I get those two remaining chests?

>>50639258
Of course I got it immediately after posting even though I was stumped for the longest time. It wasn't worth it at all.

im stuck on floor 3. where do i find the next char to unlock the barriers?

>>50639320
Do all the quests to recruit everyone at the start and get 10 members then open one of the locked doors to get Koishi.
After that, you get access to the boss.

>>50639326
>skipped all the texts
>no chat log ingame to trace back the important bits
guess ill die

>>50639333
Top left during exploration.

>>50639333
Theres a quest log on the top left while on a field map

>>50639335
>>50639337
godspeed. i was about to look up the texts i missed on youtube

Is there any reason to reset library levels? It seems like each stat is independent from one another so you can level them equally

>>50639422
Just depends on if you want your money back or not, or want to mess with someone's main attack stat in the case of Renko for example whose attack and mag are even.

Oh god, 3Peso basically nuked Satori out of orbit. She grabs random spells, random element is buffed every turn, she CAN remove spell conditionals but only up to 30 Mana cost and only on lvl 90 even then.
At least the game's drop values are mental so it should not be too hard to get there even casually.

>>50639724
Her offensive stats are very high though. She usually does more damage than most of my party and her own skills are good enough so I almost never have turns where I have nothing to do with her. I like her.

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4 hours later and this boss is still filtering me hardcore...
ill try again tomorrow

God, the third floor of the swamp is hell. I just can't figure out these map-wide rock puzzles. There's this chest at the bottom of the map that I have absolutely zero clue how to even start getting to.

>>50640105
I assume Lunatic? I just beat it, I used Suwako as my damage dealer and tried my best to keep her alive
Always switch out anyone afflicted with occult status, otherwise it'll use a big nuke

Wow, I didn't think anyone would still be around on the board that'd be interested in playing the game, especially since the thread about the demo bombed. Figured once the hacks happened and also the /v/tourists made a homebase on this board any interesting discussion would be dead forever but I guess not. Nice.
>>50638551
She's shockingly good in this game. I was expecting her to be an ok meatshield, but even when I only stacked her full of HP she was able to at least do some degree of chip damage with her spell's damage calculations being as good as they are. If Nitori didn't exist she'd be my Ouroboros user easily, or maybe stacked with... I believe it was Ogre Club's with 50%ATK and 24% HP? Momiji having the counter and damage reduction just barely puts her out over Meiling for me at the moment, but I imagine that'll change once I start digging deep into the last of the three "mini" dungeons later today.
>>50638439
Early on the big stopping points are Sunstones and Bronze Ingots. Even if you go in knowing you should never craft any sub equipment unless you desperately need it for an unlock or major stat improvements for a boss, you'll still end up getting shafted. Moonstones are used waaaaaay less.
>>50636161
The invisible paths are usually marked and by a certain point the markings become more and more obvious, even without getting into the part where you've cleared out a map but are still missing a chest. THAT specific floor has a chest that's a fucking bitch though because it's one of the only two I've seen that has an unmarked teleporter pad. Thankfully I haven't encountered any teleporter mazes yet but that thought filled me with fear and was only doubled down on once I got to Swamp 3. Dear god, Swamp 3...
>>50639724
>>50639850
Personally haven't started using her yet but she feels like a character who starts really ramping up after level 64, or whatever the unlock is after level 50, at least from a glance at her skill tree. Just having that one skill at 36 I think it was where it pumps her POW of any cloned spells by 16 already immediately makes her an insanely powerful character. The only thing I wanna know is if her spells will carry over passive unlocks, like those skills that add a SHK effect to spells, since they are technically a different character's passives but they also modify the spells themselves. I imagine that they would but again, haven't tried her yet.

>>50640222
Shit I only noticed this post after I wrote up my autistic essay. Anyways, the thing to keep in mind with Swamp 3 is making a mental or physical map of the different areas and how many blocks they have, because generally speaking you can carry over pretty much any block from any part of the map to other parts. So for example, if you spend 2 blocks to get to an area that has that arrangement of a "checkboard" of 4 holes and 5 blocks, you can push in one of the corner blocks to the top hole and the middle block into the bottom hole and give yourself access to 3 extra blocks. So you get +1 block. If you figure out where to spend blocks to get access to other areas to let you get more extra blocks, you can solve basically any part of any puzzle on the map. I believe at one point I was moving three blocks across the entire map as my extra's just because I was retarded and wanted to turn a one block passageway into a square that'd allow me to push a block a different horizontal direction.

It doesn't seem required for any chests but it immensely helped me when I was trying to solve some of the puzzles because as mentioned, I'm fucking retarded with sokoban puzzles. Also, if it's the bottom right, I BELIEVE it's a set of Atelier Tools, so you have to do it anyways.

>>50640222
I just spend an hour clearing the rock puzzles on 2nd floor, and you tell me there are more???

>>50640285
>The only thing I wanna know is if her spells will carry over passive unlocks, like those skills that add a SHK effect to spells, since they are technically a different character's passives but they also modify the spells themselves. I imagine that they would but again, haven't tried her yet.
Unfortunately not, she only copies the base spell. If she did she would honestly be the best character in the game, especially since her own skills and passives are already pretty good.

Sakuya is fucking impossible, cunt gets multiple turns in a row and spams AOE

>>50640424
Her attack is rather low and most of her spells including the AOEs have low power but high multiplier. High defense and paralysis should neuter all of her attacks except 1.

>>50640400
That makes sense from the balancing and doujin game coding perspective, but man does it hurt to hear.

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why is the displayed drop rate so different in battle vs in the bestiary? which one is correct?

>>50640454
Everyone except Tenshi dies on first turn, guess i have to change entire party. Easily hardest boss so far

>>50640481
I haven't gotten to Sakuya myself yet, but based on anon's post about low damage AOE's another alternative you might wanna look into is stacking defense against that attack type specifically and using Momiji, who'll cut the damage by I think it was 15%?

>>50640470
nvm i'm retarded, this specific enemy has the ability to decrease the droprate every single time it's hit by an attack

>>50640277
In general on Lunatic I've found that the basic winning strategy is designate one character as "the one who will do the damage", based on what the enemy is weakest to, and everyone else is dedicated to making sure that character stays alive and buffed while dealing with any gimmicks the fight presents.

>>50640277
yeah its lunatic
i thought his nukes were random or because i didnt perma sil him. i will test that occult condition next time, thanks

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>>50640285
>Moonstones are used waaaaaay less.
Speak for yourself, with a bit of patience and enough autism to farm a hundred golden nut eaters to make 66 Alice-made dupes of an item (kill me) you too can aquire the power needed to cheese bosses you suck at.

>>50641219
God bless Alice and her doll slave labor. My favorite feature of the game.

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Any idea how to get to this Lava area chest? I've been trying to clear out every Nightmare's floor/dungeon before I fully move onto the next since there doesn't seem to be any ladder shenanigans but this one has me completely stumped. I know it's not a Dream and pretty sure it's not an Atelier Tool upgrade since I've already gotten both of the ones on this floor, but ice, or in this case fire, sliding puzzles without the map saying exactly where the obstructions are is fucking with me so hard I gave up.

>>50641296
Invisible path from the areas to the left and right.

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Based. So fucking based.

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Where do you get the polycrystal？

>>50641732
It's just a random drop. They're found pretty much anywhere since they're gacha tokens

>>50641717
3peso plays so many games that ever time I unlock a new feature it feels like something he got annoyed with in another game he played.

>>50641772
I'm kind of impressed by the breadth of references in the item descriptions. There's a fucking Noita reference!

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>>50641779
Weirder for me was the Calamity reference. Terraria is to be expected with how long running and popular it is, but a modpack for the game getting one is just wild.

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>>50641779
There's at least two, this and giga disc. I was more surprised at the Monster Sanctuary reference (the shift stone).

>>50641913
Oh damn, I hadn't seen that item yet. Not only a Noita reference, but a Noita reference to an obscure endgame secret at that. 3peso is kind of a beast.

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>>50641779
LoT2 had a bunch of them too.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vR20aEpXUYtEfoz12Vure-TBsuMWCOiINFXXNtmRABU/edit?gid=3#gid=3

Not sure if there's a non-google sheet's version but it's an interesting read. You can always see from Peso's Twitter that he plays a bunch of shit. This one's my personal favorite.

>>50640303
I found the swamp easy but I am getting filtered by the slider puzzles in the next area. I fucking hate slider puzzles.

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Anyone reached the final boss yet?

>>50642776
Damn bro that far on lunatic already? I'm slow as fuck.

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>>50641779
I found a Lisa reference, is there even a JP TL for the games?

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>>50633761
i just got out of master spark jail. from lacking 40 hp to facetanking it with 0 dmg
cant even imagine how braindead this fight is on 1.06

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I went from level 67 something to 90+ just farming for this shit. Why do I always do this in these types of games

>>50642952
The leveling curve is really weird, you can really easily get an obscene chain just by holding V with one party member and after a single run you just don't get threatened in explorations forever (boss caps aside)

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>>50642776
Yeah.

Damn, some real crazy players on here, I'm still in lavatown. Hey, spoil me, does this game have anything like the generic additional skill trees the previous game did? I really liked the added character building complexity those added, but they would probably not be strictly necessary with the increased skill tree complexity and I feel like I'm already well over the 50% mark of the game, so...

>>50643117
Momiji and Ran unlock generic skills

>>50643117
There's a training skill tree that's mostly generic (aside from the equipment category and personality skills).

Byakuren is filtering me hard and it's the first time I had to change my party for a boss.
Miko was fucking right, buddhists are a plague and Futo not being in the game is a travesty.

Holy shit the retreat button needs an "are you sure?" prompt. Killing my streak because I press it by mistake instead of formation has happened too many times.

What items specifically do you need for the seal on Tenshi in Sakuya's nightmare to unlock? It says apple, cinnamon and wine, but I've brought Sunny Apples, Homemade Wine, and I think a Berry Cinnamon Sangria or whatever it was called into the area and the seal still didn't unlock for me. Likewise, I checked to see if there was anything that could be made from those items in case she wants something that's a combination of all three in one but I couldn't find it, since I've still gotta unlock about half of the menu.

>>50644077
item 18

>>50644077
she wants wine cooked cinnamon apples, it needs claret punch

>>50644101
>>50644102
Thank you, guess that's one of the items I was missing then.

>>50644163
Hope you like her, I find her extremely fun in Tri. She is still built like a brick wall, only now even tanker, spams Provoke, has a plethora of delayed Spells so you have time to buff her and you can throw Skill Points to give her a pretty disgusting HO growth.

Never played these games before, can I run a party of whoever I like or do I have to run the strict meta?

>>50644750
Builds are flexible but obviously some characters are better at a job than others, like you're not gonna make Marisa into a left side tank, at least not without a comedic amount of money spent pumping her stats.
I ran Keine as my early game tank rather than Meiling because she has cheap DEF boosts and formation swapping bonuses which were more useful than Meiling's self healing that kinda sucked anyway.

Are there more rare enemy spots like the golden tree in the first dungeon?

>>50642899
>cant even imagine how braindead this fight is on 1.06
It's arguably harder overall despite the final attack being slightly nerfed

Strange, here I thought everyone was playing Blooming Soul instead.

>>50645367
Early access + not in english probably doesn't help much.

>>50641732
Came here to ask this question. Guess I'm going to grind until it drops since I think Patchy should be the first one to awaken powerwise

>>50645453
They only drop from rare enemies I've found

>>50645455
Damn. The only one I have full items to unlock right now is cirno, Is it worth it to awaken her now?

>>50645477
Nah save for patchy, rare enemies are pretty easy to find
I don't remember if they drop from rare enemies in the first dungeon, but there's a gold tree in the northernmost area on 3F where rare enemies are pretty common

>>50645479
Also question. I'm playing on hard mode. Will I just never get some of the Renko learned abilities or are you able to do boss refights on lunatic?

>>50645482
You can refight bosses on any difficulty, no worries

>>50641732
>>50645453
There's a lockbox of 8 of them. Right after the midboss on the second floor of the first minor nightmare labyrinth, if you don't feel like grinding or get particularly unlucky

How do I get more ghost's eboshi?

>>50645477
Cirno is good but Patchy is especially good for the an upcoming boss for you since you'll need a good MND tank

>>50645518
I did just get Alice as well since she required a different kind of dream item. Will unlock patche once I find that item

>>50645518
Just got a polycrystal to drop off a big thieving rat

Oh god I'm getting walled by Kasen

>>50645570
Somehow I cleared her first try on Hard by just killing the summons to lower her stats.

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Third try Marisa battle. It's rough even when you know what's coming. I have heard the next couple bosses are easy in comparison though

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How do I solve the area in the top left? I feel completely retarded here

>>50645570
The key to Kasen is an invested Patchouli. Patchy can one-shot both of the adds.

Wow Reimu was a complete joke after Marisa

>>50645510
Slaughter dudes in lava area

Is Wriggle's kit just badly conceived? Half of her spells need stack(s) that you only get through poisoned party members and almost every upgrade she has is working against upkeeping it (the mechanic itself eats it, resistance up on the left, the one self-inflict has effect removal mid-tree), and there's no passive gain

>>50645869
Probably. I used her for Eirin and that's it so far

How do you beat Yuugi? She's already at 1 HP and won't die no matter what I do.

>>50645869
Wriggle was pretty good back in 2 so maybe this was overcomplication as a nerf

>>50645869
I think "any frontliners" counts enemies too, because I think I got stacks of Insect Queen when fighting non-poison enemies

>>50645926
Nvm I suddenly won. You might need to exhaust her Resolute Oni buff first then kill her. Thankfully there's one dps left.

>>50645869
Her kit's mostly fine, I think the only really problematic node is the self-poison immunity
Toxic Absorption doesn't completely remove poison so you'd still want to mitigate it from your party members as much as possible with the left side nodes
That said, she's really good as poison is extremely strong against bosses that aren't immune to it, that immunity node really needs to go though
>>50645932
Nah I think you're just poisoning yourself

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>>50645731
from the top left opened chest take the top entrance in the square maze, walk over the 3 ice tiles until wall then turn up right. now anyone managed to get this chest ?

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>>50645966
Start here, go right, up, right, down.
In the second big area, go right, down, right, down.

>>50645973
thank you, attempted to find it at three different times and couldnt see it somehow

>>50645938
From what I understand that entire part is scripted and she will automatically miss on your last front liner.