>>64742368
I'm not printing guns.

But if I was Hoffman has a good writeup on filaments on his site.

I always appreciate that 3d printed weapons look very cyberpunky. But they also look like something you could throw at a wall and it would just come apart like a sugar cookie

>>64742368
PLA pro or glass fiber nylon. Actual manufacturers use GF-nylon. 3d printed parts are basically consumables due to how cheap and easy they are to print.

Hoping that the filing requirement on $0 suppressors goes away because I don't want to do paperwork and a printed suppressor wrapped with duct tape that costs less than a dollar in materials is the obvious consumable suppressor to make. At that price point who cares if it fails from a single rapidfire magazine?

>>64742446
>look like something you could throw at a wall and it would just come apart like a sugar cookie
You probably could cause significant damage by slamming a 3d printed part along its layer lines, but if made properly you would need to use deliberate effort. Considering that the part is probably less than $20 in material and half a day in print time, it can be replaced. If you dont abuse 3d printed parts they can be just as durable. For the US it is a hobby to make your own, because making things is fun.

>>64742491
>making things is fun.
True enough.
Anybody got any more pics of different designs?

>>64742491
I think the future is
>Metal chambers, barrels, springs
>plastic everything with metal reinforcement

I’ve only printed pla to surprising results. I’m mainly staying around mac clones but I’ve done 10/22’s as well. I’m only using a bambu mini until I can get more comfortable in cad. It’s one thing to roll filament and a totally other to actually get it drawn.

>>64742368
/r/'ing a recommendation for a 2nd printer.
Currently using an Ender 3 clone that works "fine" but Ive been using it for 2 years now and am ready for something much nicer.

>>64743818
I’m in the bambu sphere. Previously I’d highly recommend them, but they recently pulled some fucky shit with their tos. I’d look into Voron or similar. The bambu is still excellent but it seems they have aspirations of going the Apple route. Fortunately bambu users went rabid on them but they didn’t back off completely, especially regarding lan/offline. At one point it seemed they were going to a “verified” print model but seems that’s been given up on.

>>64743838
P1S worth it or is the X1C worth saving for?
3d2a type prints, no engineering filaments.

>>64743866
P1S should do everything you need it to. Hell you can even dress up an a1 to get you mostly there. Unless you’re running production I wouldn’t bother drooling over a grand and some change. Do your hw as I’m just a lowly bambu mini printer, but that’s what I’d do at least.
>b-but Whats about x future filament?
By the time we get to nanobot titanium liquid uber steel filament you’ll be in a spot to upgrade further assuming it’s something you absolutely need (not likely) and that the p1c for some reason cant run it.
>bonus tip
If there’s an option to buy an ams bundle now, do it. You’ll save big $$$.

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>>64743898
thank you based anon have a flag in return

>>64743947
Bless anon. Much prosperity for 1000 generation.

>>64742368
What was the website for these guys? I finally got a PS1 and I was really interested in printing the shell for one of these. It uses a Glock, right?

>>64742368
Nylon is the new hotness, but I just use cheap pla+ mostly sunlu or jayo/inslogic which is all supposed to come from the same factory. I went through four spools of elegoo though that I've subsequently read is subpar and blows up in guns, I can't remember which guns it's in.

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>>64742446
I haven't found that to be the case

>>64744307
Is it out of beta yet? How are you liking it?

>>64743866
>No engineering filaments
In that case you could use a $50 thirdhand Ender 3 just fine. You should be using engineering filaments, though.

>>64744316
Still open beta, mine, which isn't the one pictured was printed from an early leak and I think I overextruded a little, it works but the lock is stiff.

>>64744389
What is an engineering filament to you?

3d printers are for marvel figurines and pedophilic anime minis

Although a 25% glass filled pa6 nylon with the Defiance remixed lower that accepts SS, that would be a great use for one, would print super nice, and after some painted supports and brim ears, is stiff and geometry correct.

What's a printer to get to start printing?
I doubt it can just buy a Bambu mini and start making liberators.
Or can I?

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>>64744444
checked

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>>64744444
Why can't you? I got a mini for $200 and made a bunch of frames. If you can't fit it on the plate on the first try spin it 45 degrees a place it diagonally.

>>64744409
ABS, nylons, polycarbonate, acrylic, acetal, PET, PBT, and basically everything else that isn't trash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_plastic

>>64744417
Isn't it funny that something that you'd think is only good for making dime store toys also makes guns? I have made replacement parts for light tools, drilling jigs, bespoke cases, precise bushings, but even though the stuff is about as good as cheap injection molded plastic parts it still seems like it just makes doodads and nonsense.

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>30g
>300fps
Nerf waaaaaaaàr!

>>64744531
>ABS
>engineering filament
Wild, but I won't be printing any of those because PLA+, PETG, PA12CF, and TPU do all I need them to do and I don't have any use case for exotics.

>>64744629
Load that puppy up to 3000fps, I wanna see what it does.

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>>64742446
I like it more when they end up naturally looking like the dystopian techno future rather than function following form. In 30 years I wonder if we'll be looking back at the style as retrofuturistic like putting atomic age rocket fins on everything. Then again the style has sort of been around since the 80s, and it's a minor quibble, I'm all for more guns of any sort.

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>>64742446
>something you could throw at a wall and it would just come apart like a sugar cookie
Depends on what you use, how it's designed, and how it hits. For this item, for example, I probably want to switch to something more impact resistant because there's a non zero chance the user (or his cat) would swipe it off a nightstand onto the floor and break it like this.

>>64744753
PA (nylon) is an engineering plastic. And PETG is worse than worthless, it doesn't do anything that PLA+ can't do better except for marginally more heat resistance, but most applications that require heat resistance require more than the extra ~10C you can get from PETG.

>>64744529
>anime tiddies in a police evidence photo

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>>64742446
>I always appreciate that 3d printed weapons look very cyberpunky
They are cyberpunk through-and-through. I love that about them.

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>>64745609
>And PETG is worse than worthless
I would mostly agree, but there are a few narrow cases where it's better than pla in flexing. For printed magazine springs, snap catches and the like it does last longer. It took a lot of experience to find a fraction of the supposed advantage in resilience it was claimed to have by the non gun printing community though.

>>64744225
https://ctrlpew.com/the-budget-arms-guillotine

Needs a mac11/9 parts kit

>>64745645
>I would mostly agree, but there are a few narrow cases where it's better than pla in flexing. For printed magazine springs, snap catches and the like it does last longer.
No it doesn't. People pretend that it's less brittle (force required to snap it) than PLA, but it's actually even more brittle. It is however, slightly less stiff (force required to bend it) but you can compensate for that by using thinner cross sections and longer tabs in PLA. Also PLA+es run a gamut from rigid and brittle to gummy and practically TPU. PLA is also more printable and has better layer adhesion. PETG is just awful stuff all around, I can't comprehend why it gets used for anything that needs to handle exactly 60C but not 65C ambient temperatures.

>>64746850
>I can't comprehend why it gets used for anything that needs to handle exactly 60C but not 65C ambient temperatures.
I can't comprehend why it gets used for anything *except stuff* that needs to handle exactly 60C but not 65C ambient temperatures.

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>>64742591
>more pics of different designs?
What did you have in mind? I'm particularly fond of 100% diy builds myself.

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I made this silly little PDW a while back. Still need to do some troubleshooting.

>>64745589
In thirty years you'll either be on a pile of skulls or in one.

>>64745330
>Put a hole in the enemy four inches wide, three inches deep
>Harmless through a single wall
>Can be safely caught at 100 yards.

>>64747179
Just like those old Thunderzapp bullets!

>>64743866
Cheap ass Enders are just as good as Bambu stuff with the caveat that you can print stuff quite a bit faster on Bambu machines

>>64743866
>>64743818

I upgraded from an Ender 3 to a P1S. I've printed guns and gun parts on both. If you're broke, the Ender is totally fine if you spend a bit of time dialing it in. Leveling is a pain in the ass sometimes, but you can upgrade to an auto-leveling system if you want.
For what it's worth, the P1S is awesome. I wouldn't have bought it if I were buying new just based on some of the Chinkery that goes on with the Bambu ecosystem but I ended up with it as repayment for a loan. Its crazy how fast it prints compared to a stock Ender 3, and lots of little QOL stuff makes the experience that much smoother. I don't really care for their slicer program, but it's fine. Print quality has been fantastic with two different nozzle sizes and the enclosure is nice to keep the smell and noise down. AMS unit comes in handy, but I generally just use PLA+ for everything (I mostly use it for /tg/ projects)
My first printer was an Anet A8 and that thing was an absolute fire hazard.

>>64747392
>>64747733
Thanks anons I appreciate your feedback.
Context: current printer is a Sovol SV06 Plus, had it since they were released in...2023? A couple of years. I've calibrated it per the Ellis guide, built an enclosure for it, 2nd hotend assembly that I use with my hardened nozzles if I ever print something that needs them.
Printing with it can be so frustrating. It's fine for most prints but i don't like pushing it above 50mm/sec. It's not Klipperized but I'm considering it if only for input shaping. I'm tech savvy so it's not a big deal to do this, just haven't done it yet.
From what I've read about the P1S makes me really consider it. The telemetry is concerning but if it's really obstructive I can figure out a networking solution to keep it online but unable to touch my server.
Budget idk around $5-600 and even better if I can get it on Amazon: my work gives out $75 gift cards as performance incentives so I hoard them.

>>64746799
>need to spend 10k to LARP
fugggggg

>>64743866
>>64747733
>>64747841
I upgraded to a P1S w/ AMS from an ender 3. The P1S is a godsend comparatively. The Enders are not even worth it as a starting point anymore given the amount of constant tuning, leveling, and just general headache they cause just to print at half the speed of a basic bitch bambu A1. Bambu stuff just plain works out of the box.

>>64748014
Where the fuck are you getting $10k from?

I was considering building a Nylaug out of an actual old A1 which are affordable where I am($800-ish). Too bad those parts kits are not a thing in Europe.

>can't print a barrel
>can't print ammo
Yeah, it's over for anyone outside the us.

>>64748239
Those are just obstacles that a dedicated /k/omando should be able to overcome.
With your defeatist attitude it just shows that you don’t really want it in the first place.
Which is also ok.

>>64748239
I guess if you use a revolver style system you could print and prepare drop in blackpowder cartridges.

>>64748239
Drill press+hydraulic bottle jack are cheap and enough for a rifled barrel. .22 nail blanks also exist.

>>64748296
Why wouldn't you just buy a percussion revolver though? They're cheap and legal everywhere. And if something happens the only suspect cops will have will be general Custer

>>64745609
>petg is LE BAD
In the context of maxing guns? Okay. But outside of that no.
Its top tier stuff for things like springs and roller bearings.
That being said, how come no one is designing guns based around PC as a baseline? Its the optimal plastic for firearms on a 3d printer.
>stiff
>minimal creeping
>high impact resistance
>excellent layer adhesion (mogs PLA)
>high temp resistance

>>64748239
>can't solve complex problem with single appliance
Guess you're right

>>64748280
>>64748296
>>64748328
>>64748333
Yeah it's over

>>64748330
Homie if barrels and ammo are restricted in a country outside the US, it's safe to say percussion revolvers are probably restricted as well and of not, they will be highly sought after and therefore expensive.

>>64748182
>Needs a MAC 11/9
No one is selling parts kits for either version, best you are going to find is just a MAC 11 or 9 on GunBroker. Even the site that they point to for parts is almost entirely sold out of everything.

>>64747170
I've downloaded and analyzed a lot of RONI/BWC and other pistol PDW concepts. I have a dot on my pistol and want to use that sight, which means an open-topped design.

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>>64748239
You can make a legitimately decent barrel by ECM rifling a good piece of steel tube, then cutting a chamber in it.
You can 3D print a jig which will make it VERY easy to make consistent rifling, I believe that's the preferred method they use in Khyber Pass these days, and those guys have benefited a lot from the 3D printing revolution.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/02/18/rifling-barrel-electrochemical-machining/

It's not gonna be like, super mega match grade or anything, but it's not gonna be last ditch tier either, it'd work and hold up as a passable commercial grade barrel.

>>64747841
SV06 is more than enough for basically anything. The only thing you don't have is an enclosure and filament runout sensor.

Ivan developing the DIY ECM rifling process is probably why the German glowies murdered him btw.

>>64748681
Ivan is alive. Do you mean JSTARK?

>>64748484
Are you retarded? M11/9 uppers are everywhere for under $300, that's why so many designs use them.

>>64748239
>A 70lb machine smaller than a washing machine cannot fully replace a foundry, forge and machine shop
It can however replace injection molding and produce unified complex parts that would require assembly, machining and welding of multiple pieces.

Anyone figure out a cheaper AR parts kit than the PSA ones?

>>64748967
Durkin tactical sells them for $200 black fridays, you can get used parts kits around $250 if you hunt around enough but that's pretty high level.

>>64748014
They are pretty common in the 3d community, they go out of stock but more keep being made
https://parts-dispensed.com/26-mac
https://www.avesrails.com/Mac-Components_c_20.html
https://maf-arms.com/product/macdaddy-m11-side-charging/

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>>64742368
I only use pa6cf nowadays, mostly because I like the surface finish. I bought a roll of pahtcf recently, but I haven't tried it out yet. Lately I haven't found much I want to make, still waiting on that one faggot to release his bullpup Glock design.

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>>64748239
it's just beginning

>>64748681
Ivan is alive you fucking retard, and ECM was developed by Jeff Rodriguez
(some Polish dude or whatever did it a few years before by whittling a mandrel out of wood instead of printing, but he made airgun barrels and not actual guns).

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>>64748239
You can make barrels out of pipes, and you can make ammo out of nailgun blanks.

>>64748679
You're not entirely wrong but the speeds it prints are slow and the amount of time spent troubleshooting far outweigh any time spent actually printing or designing parts.
I'll be keeping the SV06 of course, despite its flaws its my baby.

>>64747841
>>64750926
Get yourself an SV08 and build a cheap enclosure for it.

>>64748674
Any of you guys made a barrel like this? I've used electrolysis to remove rust, anodized aluminum and electroplated things but haven't gotten around to trying ecm yet.

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>>64748239
Get with the times grandpa, someone made these and fired them out of a thick plastic barrel four years ago.

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>>64742368
Did the videogame warrant all that attention?

>>64751258
>G502
I fuckin love that mouse
>>64750991
Yeah? I'll check it out.

this thread smells like freedom

>>64743866
Buy the P1S when it's $400, don't pay full price when it's on sale 25% of the time.

>>64745645
>Ruby's Lab
>Pink Urutau
Show me your thigh-highs.

>>64750250
Fun part people forget: He was inspired by Smith & Wesson, they use ECM for their revolver barrels.

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>>64752838
Ruby's deceased.

>>64744403
>open beta
Pardon me good sir, but I am retarded and don't know where to find the open beta. Perchance could you direct me?

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Whats the most cyberpunk project I can print? I like the OP and have the files for the 3dp90 and all its weird variations but am put off by the extra lop. Using AR FCG is great but it ruins the looks of alot of 3dprinted guns.

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>>64753464
You need to go to the ryno room in deterrence dispensed's rocket chat and ask for the files, there are some instructions here.
https://ctrlpew.com/the-ryno/

>>64753102
Yet another troon joined the 41%. Reading its Twitter, I'm kinda glad it did. That ex-dude was batshit unhinged.

>>64753102
>>64753495
Word? Link to account? I always saw this gun floating around and never knew who made it.

>>64751258
You COULD do that, but I think it's better to just print the rifling jig and then ECM'ing and chambering a good steel tube instead, so you can use conventional ammunition and components.
I think I once saw someone make a barrel for CETME parts kit that way.

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>>64753495
But we got a solid can, some great agitprop and a printed reloading press, way more than the vast majority of of what straight, sane people have done for us.

>>64753514
The urutau was designed by someone else, joseph the parrot. He's got an insta I think, ruby grace builds substack is what springs to mind if you want to know more about that person, information isn't really collated in the community at this point.

>>64753914
>way more than the vast majority of of what straight, sane people have done for us.
Definitely more than what women have contributed, that's for sure.
As usual, the top 0.01% women in any industry are actually men.

>>64742368
Are there any good rigs i can mount a full sized px4 into?

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>>64753478
>Whats the most cyberpunk project I can print?
That's going to be entirely subjective, there are three cyberpunk2077 guns in the thread, a bunch of novel designs that seem pretty cyberpunk to my eye, but ultimately it's going to be up to you.

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>>64753986
Booze and bullets has a pdw frame for it

>>64754049
Much obliged

>>64753478
>Using AR FCG
Obviously people will gravitate towards designs that use common parts kits. Ivan made a printed FCG that used hex nuts as a hammer face.

Where do you guys mostly find out about new designs?
Since fosscad got deleted I don't really know where to look for inspiration

A while ago I was in a telegram group, but that got deleted as well

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>>64758110
r/3d2a has taken over for fosscad a bit, only a matter of time before it gets banned though, guncadindex has nascent forums and new releases.

>>64742368
PLA +, all of the doped filaments are side grades unless you're having warping issues which they can help with. The main limit on print strength is layer adhesion with decent designs. Doped fibers usually have worse layer adhesion than a normal polymer blend so they don't tend to be functionally stronger. Also you're dealing with shit like carbon fibers being kicked up into the air too. Should probably have an air purifier running next to your printer though anyways tbqh.
>>64742454
There are apparently some surprisingly good 3dp suppressors. Fire rates are less limited than you'd think on account of them not conducting heat well. Definitely still in the disposable category but they can last up to 1k center-fire rifle rounds and more with lower pressure stuff. Key of course is to serialize an outer tube and recore it whenever it wears out.

>>64758798
>Key of course is to serialize an outer tube and recore it whenever it wears out.
Just FYI, if you're not an 07/02 then replacement cores trigger a new tax stamp. If you're going to go the route of engraving the tube and replacing cores, just keep your mouth shut about the cores being disposable.

>>64758864
Good catch, for some reason I thought there had been a rule change again from the batfe boys indicating it was alright. Looks like I was mistaken.

>>64759082
Suppressors are funny, the NFA was amended at some point to include suppressor kits, so they are the only title 2 firearm where the statute (not just ATF interpretation) treats the parts the same as the whole.

>>64753914
IIRC the Urutau was a Brazilian dude who never fired a gun until a few months ago when he visited the US. All his feedback for iterations was purely a game of telephone with the American beta testers

Are there any files for 3D printing crossbows?

PETG is amazing

>>64759656
No, but check out ZNA productions on youtube, he has dozens of garage crossbow builds.

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>>64742368
bumpin
by the way what's the opic gun?

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>>64759656
Legolini, not super powerful but a fun repeater

>>64748239
You can order blank rifling barrel anywhere bro just don't be stupid and said it for gun part

>>64742368
I cannot fucking stand conventional firearms with guarded pistol grip. THAT SHIT LOOKS MORE SUITABLE FOR BULLPUP OR PISTOLS

>>64760644
Op is the budget arms guillotine based on a mac11
>>64751259
This one is the cyber ruger guillotine with ruger p89 parts

>>64748331
PETG is le SHIT and PLAs are stiffer, with less creep, greater impact resistance, better layer adhesion, and print better and easier, and while PETG is indeed more heat resistant, it's barely more so it only matters for parts that regularly get hotter than 55C but not as hot as 65C. That's a pretty limited range of applications and in general ABS/ASA or PC will be much more suitable anyway. On the other hand, I will grant that PETG is much more consistent and there's a massive range of products marketed as PLA Plus/Pro/Tough/etc and even just as plain PLA. PETG is probably going to be better in most respects than whatever $8 aliexpress spool of PLA+ that's 50% chalk by weight, but there are high end PLA products that are better in every possible way than any PETG, while still being affordable and printable on any machine.

The reason PC is relatively uncommon is that it's not actually very impact resistant when 3d printed, and combine high strength with low impact resistance you have a recipe for dangerous explosions. There are PC blends with extremely high impact resistance like Polymaker's Polymax PC or PC-PBT blends from several manufacturers. So the reason you don't hear about it is a combination of the reason you don't hear about stuff like PPA (high hardware requirements to get good strength from it) and the reason some designers recommend PETG (it's very dependent on the blend and they don't want to confuse end users or sound like a shill for a filament manufacturer).

I love these threads because its always neckbeards who either don't own guns, or who don't know how 3d printing works, or sometimes both, talking out of their asses

we're getting a $300,000 Stratasys at work
yay

>>64763710
PLA sucks for stuff that is out in the sun in hot weather on a regular basis or stored in vehicles. Horses for courses.

>>64763710
>PLA
>impact resistance
what PLA are you using?

>>64764023
They're going to let you print personal projects on it?

>>64764001
>who either don't own guns, or who don't know how x works, or sometimes both, talking out of their asses

So like the rest of /k/? At least it's funny and once in awhile someone very knowledgeable blows through.

>>64743838
>recently pulled some fucky shit with their tos
it's been fucky from word go anon. IDC how good the printers might be, never buy bambu

>>64745645
when's the dick-inverting surgery faggot?

>>64751223
I did for my fgc-9. the guide is very helpful but can be confusing in a few spots.

>>64765007
Even straight PLA isn't really any more brittle than PETG, which is also extremely brittle. Bambu PLA Tough and Polymaker PLA Pro are as shatter resistant as any filament you can find, they're more impact resistant than most ABSes.

>>64764048
And ABS/ASA and PC are better for all of those things than PETG.

>>64770564
Bambu printers aren't even good, the only reason anyone buys them is because the software comes with a bunch of filament profiles and people don't want to wait 20 minutes for a couple of test prints to finish, even if it will give better results than the default profiles.

Okay but what's the best filament then? Don't need cope or justasgood answers, what's the objective best.

>>64772037
PPA probably. There's theoretically stronger filaments out there but no one can actually print them. Even PPA gives varying results because most people have cheap Bambus or Bambu clones that don't have heated chambers and can't reach optimal nozzle temps.

>>64745330
The projectile disintegrate three feet from the barrel

>>64772062
>Don't need cope or justasgood answers

>>64772114
In that case, there's dozens of filaments people claim to be the strongerest stuff ever: Tullomer, PEI, PES, PAI, PEEK, PEKK, PPS, PPSU, etc. Your guess is as good as mine which is the strongest of them, since even industrial machines can't print them with good layer adhesion and most companies claiming they've figured out the secret cuck out when they're asked to prove it. Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk2aN3IYlJc

>>64772062
Neat. And what's the new hotness for a printer? Mine is 12 years old now, overdue for an upgrade. Budget of, say, two grand.

>>64742431
>>64742446
fedbots.
wait actually there used to be a lot more of you guys. looks like the propaganda failed after luigi
fedniggers tongue my anus
>>64745626
>cyberpunk through and through
truth and based

>>64772200
you dont need a new toy focus on making things
also its like 600 at most

>>64772219
Yeah nah my old flashforge creator need to be retired.

>>64772200
Voron or Ratrig. If you absolutely must buy something off the shelf, I guess get an H2 or hope Qidi doesn't burn your house down.

>>64772247
dont listen to this idiot unless u want to spend the rest of your life and thousands of dollars fixing that pos
get a qidi

>>64772247
If you don't know you can just say that.

>>64772259
If you want a more authoritative answer, I can do that: buy a Ratrig.

>>64772279
>authoritative
You mean useless?

>>64772284
Would you care to elaborate on why you think that?

>>64772200
Bambu h2c unironically

>>64773122
What's the difference between all their H2 models? The H2C just has a bunch of toolheads?

>>64773140
Sorry meant h2s. I rock the x1c. MMS is killer, it just works and the h2s is bigger. Craziest I get is ASA but they should do *‐cf no fuss or whatever the hot engineering filament is right now.

>>64773168
I've had the x1c bookmarked for ages, but I guess they discontinued it. Basically H2S vs H2C is S is bigger, faster, cheaper, just doesn't do all the namby pamby sissy multi color stuff?

>>64745609
>PLA+
The plus is just "more than just pla" it conveys no actual material properties

>>64742368
I can't print because it's illegal in my state

>>64766334
Just a calibration print boss

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>>64773199
You can still make flareguns can't you?

>>64773191
That extra stuff can have a huge effect on the properties. Even the cheapest crap that uses chalk as a filler is quite a bit less brittle than pure PLA, in the range of 3-4 kJ/m^2 for the Izod impact test compared to 1-3 for normal PLA and 2-4 for PETG. Meanwhile, high end PLA+es blended with PBT are in the range of 20-30 kJ/m^2.

>>64750250
ECM was an idea suggested to the people behind FGC-9 project on eight chan around 2015-2016, and by an odd chance it ended up being taken into the project to be further developed. Jeff Rodriguez project application of ECM came after that, so I'm not clear on why he would claim credit. But the credit of this technology is a bit all over the place with no single person developing everything from the start to the end, and it is not a new technology it's repurposed technology, a new variant of it. I would know, because I was there in 2016 on eight chan shitposting mad lad ideas on how to turn manufacture guns and turn them into weed: impossible to control and available everywhere. This is because me and many other people were very disappointed at the governments after the endless terrorist attacks and the videos of terrorists roaming streets and overpowering police forces. We wanted democratization of violence, the ability to defend ourselves and the people around us from this threat. I'm not a firearms designer but at the time I did research for this group and I did visualizations, suggestions for producing ideas, and logistics definitions which is figuring out what you need to get started. I did this as part of an anonymous think tank. A thread like this, which would be recreated every time it was filled and in which everyone was anonymous. The ECM as presented in FGC-9, created by Ivan the troll, is based on two designs: gravity powered ECM drill, and ECM for rifling. Neither of those were intended for 3d printing. The gravity drill is pointless because hydraulic tubing exist, so no reason to go out drilling holes. And the rifling can be done easier and better with Ivan's design. Ivan is the guy who came up putting a rod in a hydraulic tubing to make it match dimensions of a bullet and the tools for throating and chambering. And he did good job on standardizing that.

I don't see where this guy Jeff fits in all of this.

>>64748681
JStark is the one dead. Not Ivan. JStark wanted to be a public figure, a sort of european Che Guevara of guns, and wanted to present himself in a way which makes the antennas on a glowies head point towards him. He presented himself as this very terroristic-freedom fighter character and gave interviews, made public videos with illegal weapons. Never forget that those were illegal weapons and there was an illegal weapon crisis in europe because of the deact guns being reactivated all over the continent. He did this during a time when the large european intelligence organizations were in fight against ISIS, whom they most definitely had to kill at times, so it's a bad time to be a bad guy. This is not pax romana we're talking about. The story behind what happened to him is based on a news article written by an investigative journalist.

>>64774169
The story goes that the german intelligence became interested of this guy who gives interviews and asked CIA for some help in tracking him down. Which they did by doing a big data analysis on ebay purchases, which showed a limited number of M16 trigger group purchases in Germany. (Obviously a very rare thing to buy, which he was warned but he wanted FGC-9 to be closed bolt US compatible so there you have it.) This in combination with the OSINT information gathered from the interviews pointed out to this one turkish guy who had recently served in the german military. They shared that intelligence with their german counterpart and so the german police raided his house, finding no weapons. And they kept him under watch because those weapons had to exist somewhere. But during those endless investigations he's suddenly found dead in his car. Apparently he had a heart attack. Obviously he wouldn't have a defect in his heart or illnesses making him prone to that because he had just recently served in the fucking military. He was in his 20s and healthy as a horse. It's not uncommon for intelligence organizations to dispatch people by poisons such as Novichok. You can learn more of such poisons uses from famous cases like Alexei Navalny's, and in the same way they would never admit to it. One can see how the german intelligence or CIA wanted this guy out of the picture and decided to put some poison on his car door handle, and wipe it off once he expired. In general governments tend to operate all the same way, even if they claim to be different. It's just the realities of that world. Obviously no foul play was detected in his autopsy but obviously even if there was foul play they wouldn't detect it anyway. And that's the story how JStark died.

>>64774123
i hate you so much it cant be stated in words
just fuck off. stop taking yourself so seriously faggot. just fuck right off and kill yourself.
WHO CARES

>>64774236
I don't mind you hating me, means very little to me.
And it does matter. I mean obviously not to a homo consumer maxxer like yourself, who just hitchhikes rides when history is being made and enjoys the labour of others but fails to produce anything. Don't you have any other places to be? I hear a new iPhone is coming out. You should get excited. Damn, that Bill Gates guy sure is creative, coming up with all these iPhones and all.

>>64774263
>history is being made
AHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
kill yourself lol

>>64774304
Of course history is being made and has been made. FGC-9 has already been used in wars. People have died for this thing, including it's creator. We have cultivated a great mass of people to support us, even through their greedy individual needs and wants. Including you. Forcing a new reality upon the world. A new immutable variable. These people participating in this are shaping the future in which both me and you live. The rules which even powerful governments are forced to abide by: reality. But again, you, you're just some snot snorting fat kid here to find your new xbawks. You're here to scream obscenities because you're upset about burning your mouth with hotpockets. You're not part of this thing, you're incapable of being part of this thing. You wouldn't get it. You're a tourist, albeit an useful tourist since you've found yourself here.

>>64773233
if a state is gay enough to ban 3d printed guns they would probably classify a printed flare launcher as a grenade launcher, even if it is technically legal, and then you gotta deal with news articles with your name saying you were making illegal grenade launchers and paying a lawyer to fight the charges as the commie DAs try to pin every charge possible on you to make an example out of you
i wouldnt do it because you would be forever unemployed & broke afterwards

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Am I cooked?

The print is warping in the front and rear, and the dovetail got pretty fucked up on the surface.

Should I just start over? How do I get better adhesion to support filaments?

>>64774761
It's probably fucked. Post the sliced model and what filaments you're using.

>>64743818
my elegoo cc is the bees knees
perfect parts out the box

>>64774263
Man, you're fucking full of yourself.

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>>64774847
Excuse the phone picture. I was lazy. It’s a chairmanwon Glock 19 frame

Using polymaker PLA + in black and Bambu PLA for blue stippling layer

Also using Bambu PLA support filament to create a raft for the frame and all supports

Fuck this new captcha

>>64774761
I'd probably switch to using the same filament for supports and that first layer as you are the frame. Looks like the main body filament isn't playing nicely with them. Might be a little more annoying to removed them at the end but better than failed prints. Using just one type of PLA plus with same temp settings I didn't have any issues like that(think it was sunlu pla +)

>>64774172
First time I‘ve heard that JStark was in the military prior to all this. I don’t want to be a dick about it, but do you have any proof of that. It would make me question the official story more.
Not that I trust the german government nor its intelligence community. I just trust its incompetence more than I believe in its ability to pull this off.
Making an example of him by giving him the Luty treatment. Now that would be more up a bureaucrat’s alley. Publicly disassembling him, not making him a martyr.

>>64774939
Everything there looks fine, I think your problem is that your huge raft is isolating the bottom of the print from the heated bed so it's cooling too soon and warping. Why not print it directly on the bed? If there's a specific reason that wouldn't work, you can try lowering your bed and nozzle temps, maxing out your part cooling, and throwing a blanket over your printer to insulate it. Probably reduce the extrusion speed by 10-20% as well. That should greatly reduce the temperature differentials and prevent that warping, but it will probably affect layer adhesion as well.

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Heres my 350 legend lever action, based off the TrashPanda

>>64774939
>pissing 400g straight into the trash can for a <100g print
How do you people live like this? Just paint the thing.

>>64774761
>switch to using the same filament for supports and that first layer as you are the frame.
This is probably the problem, different brands of filament don't always adhere well to one another.

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>>64775077
I can’t print directly on the bed unfortunately because of these protrusions on the frame

I also may have fucked up the heat because I printed overnight and the poop chute jammed causing it to pause. When I fixed it, I probably messed up the ambient temp.

I should have followed the readme more closely. I also didn’t turn fan off for the first 10 layers. These all probably caused issues with adhesion. I think I will crank the temp for the first couple layers as well.

>>64775019
I agree the support filament is doing *too* good of a job not adhering, but I don’t think the different types of pla are causing any issues. The Bambu filament is probably not strong enough honestly, but I don’t have another color PLA + so I’m just sending it

>>64775175
Not everyone is as stingy as you and I, some people pay $100 for a frame then pay to have it cerocoated, $20 worth of filament is a small price for him to get exactly what he wants.

>>64775229
>but I don’t think the different types of pla are causing any issues.
Pla + can be pretty mystery meat, it'd be weird for it to be a factor but with the wide variation in material properties from different vendors my logic is that it seems like an X factor that could be eliminated. All those other heat issues you mentioned might very well be the cause instead though. When I run into a print issue I usually eliminate as many variables as I can, get a functional/to spec part, then start adding them back in. Filaments cheap, but the process can admittedly be time consuming.

>>64775317
Polymaker pla pro/+ ,or whatever it is, is supposed to be one of better filaments for 2A prints. Maybe it just doesn’t play nice with the Bambu support filament.

Does Bambu have an PLA derivatives that are good enough for 2A stuff?

>>64774939
>Model 94.08g
>Total 507.84g
MMU/AMS style multi-material printing is such hot fucking garbage.

>>64775229
In that case I think it was probably the long pause early in the print and opening the enclosure that caused problems. It might work better next time if you just hit go again. That said, I'd just try standard grid supports without the interface material. You can use modifiers to put grid supports there and tree supports elsewhere.

>>64775369
All of Bambu's PLAs are good *except for* their new PLA Basic. It used to be really good but at some point they went back and made it shit so people would pay more for their Tough and Advanced PLA.

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>>64775393
It is wasteful, but the goal is that I can just press a button and printer goes BRRRRRRRR.

Filament is cheap so I don’t really care too much if there is waste. It makes things that would take a lot more effort otherwise. I wish I could afford a dual hot end machine, but that’s not the case

>>64759763
if you have an injection molding machine. otherwise it sucks fucking dick

>>64775667
No one injection molds PETG, you're thinking of PET. Which is actually a pretty good plastic for 3D printing as well, but it needs an enclosure and no one with an enclosure prints PETG because of the vast variety of better filaments they have access to.

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>>64774123
>ECM was an idea suggested to the people behind FGC-9 project on eight chan around 2015-2016
the earliest DIY ECM video was posted in 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeOwa28Au5E
The FGC-9 was also based on the Shuty AP-9 by Derwood, so the design had to start in 2017 at the earliest. By March 2017 Jeff Rod had already published his Liberator12k video on ECM rifling and chambering.
Ivan's ECM process was released in 2019.
>>64774169
>illegal weapon crisis in europe because of the deact guns being reactivated all over the continent
Which was bullshit to begin with. There were two main sources of illegal reconversions: Czech blank fire guns for the movie prop industry which were just live guns with a pinned barrel, and Baikal blank pistols which were sturdy enough to just need a rebarreling to handle live ammo.
Prior to the ISIS fuckery legal spec deactivated guns already required a 45 degree cut on the bolt and drilled barrel, basically forcing you to remanufacture the barrel or sleeve it and also the bolt which is a critical part in terms of precision and toughness. Pressure bearing parts are considered firearms in most European countries so you can't just get spares from the manufacturer or the used market.

What are the requirements to be a blc beta tester?

>>64776190
That's... that's not accurate. The european deactivation standards was very inconsistent across the continent and ever changing, with them being considered paper weights. The market was filled with legacy deactivations from different eras, which would go for higher prices. You could run into a nagant deactivated in the 90s which had a steel plug fitted in the barrel and the firing pin removed. And that was it. This is just an example. However the bulk of the trade was eastern european countries getting rid of their cold war supply. The market was suddenly flooded with these ultra cheap odd SMGs, which different groups liked to obtain with access to workshops.

The way this worked is that the barrel would usually have to be either replaced. Alternatively the barrel could be welded and then put on a lathe to be smoothed out. As for the 45 degree cut breech face, that was not an issue for anything but rifle calibers. The missing area can be simply filled in with weld and then machined or filed to spec. Again, contributing to their popularity as products. You would have unemployed gunsmiths (thanks gun control) or hobbyists who would work your piece for an amount of money.

This isn't as simple with high pressure firearms such as rifles. Which is why AKs were far less popular than say UZIs.
That's where your "blank" Czech VZ 58s come in, for the very reason you explained.

As for the zinc blank guns, they're a thing and still are. Baikal was a thing for a very short period of time in UK before discontinuation, but if you were to go out now and buy yourself a generic illicit gun, you would most likely be handed a converted zinc blank gun. This is because it's a lucrative business in comparison to actual guns. A zinc blank gun with a new barrel, and that's it. In general such a gun in .380 doesn't last very long before breaking in some catastrophic way, but say something like a .25 or .22 would last for a long time.

>>64779533
>The european deactivation standards was very inconsistent across the continent
Yes. And there were grandfathered-in deacts which were subject to even looser standards.
But there's a difference in just getting a rifle for risky fun out in the woods or to bury in a cache for a rainy day, or kitting out a murder squad of 5 to 10 guys with the same type of weapon and sharing the same caliber.
>that was not an issue for anything but rifle calibers
But the use of rifle calibers was what shocked European nations, European cops started wearing plate carriers and buying shit like G36s and MP7s when patrolling airports and other high threat areas. If the problem was an assortment of Uzis, Stens and Sterlings the EU would have shaken its fist but ultimately not done much. Rifles upped the ante. And excuse me for being a cynic but they clearly took advantage of the situation to fuck with the deact market which was mostly gun autists, knowing that a limited supply of grandfathered-in models weren't the issue, when the terror threat was coming from inconsistent blank fire standards which allowed a fresh supply.
That's why the Bataclan massacre happened with one purchase via a German illicit arms dealer rather than a roadtrip across Europe to hunt down deacts of the same make and model.
I did look up to confirm and although a Czech Vz 58 was involved, the weapons dealer selling them as blank fires was Slovak.
But the Zastava M70 and the Norinco Type 56 were most likely from the Balkans. So those weren't even blank or deact, just straight up live weapons from the Balkans underground arms trade. So yeah I think my cynicism is justified.
>tl;dr
If you just wanted a gun, yeah you could dip your toes in the deact situation. If you needed to kit out 5 to 10 guys with the same style of weapon sharing the same caliber, you're not gonna have a roadtrip across Europe to find all those deacts.

>>64773181
The P1S was already the same thing as the X1C for $300 less, the P2S is a minor upgrade.

>>64747148
I can genuinely see this being like "PRINT A GUN" type things you'd see in our near future, walk into a gunstore and they have a machine that prints cheap shit without even having to interact with anyone lol

idk if they'd be on the streets, but for sure just like a machine that prints either all the parts needed or like a 'one piece' 4 shot pepper box defense pistol that you pull the safety tab from and its ready to shoot 4 times and get thrown out

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>>64781141
A very alternate future

>>64781141
No reason why this couldn't exist right now, there are already serial number plates you can buy if you want to SBR a printed gun or something.

>>64778356
Make 3 functional weapons, and dont be a retard when you answer their questions

Bump

Anybody know any good silencer designs? I'm planning to do an OP9 and a boombox already, but I want to see if there's any other interesting stuff.

>>64784279
The FTN5 is one of the few "good" designs out there, the Rimfire Flow version is great. Most others are just quickly shat-out projects without a lot of effort behind them. It's easy to design a working suppressor, most don't actually put in the time to go through several iterations and actually improve upon it. The Pill Popper is fun, not exceptional in any way but it's good looking and works fine. The HubTN series have seen several revisions and are worth looking at. The Maelstroms are supposedly good, I don't have one myself. If you haven't printed any novelty cans, now is the time to make a Redbull 22 or a White Monster FTN5. The Redbull 22 is a terrible design, but it's huge so it works reasonably well. The White Monster is just a dressed up FTN5 and is a very good printed suppressor.

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>>64752744
Seems like a lot of extra plastic for larping, very solid larping though.
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/NQjq0aYV-X4

>>64746850
as I understand it, PLA creeps, PETG doesnt... with that, a host of implications open up? maybe im wrong.

>>64745615
Happens a lot in Florida.

>>64787986
All plastic creeps

>>64787986
PETG creeps more than straight PLA. Some PLA+es are blended with TPU and have massive creep, but most are similar to PETG.

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>>64742368
BEHOLD

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>>64788717

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I was under the impression that the ATF considered all revolving cylinder 12 gauges to be unsporting, is that not the case? I saw jeffrod did one and was thinking of making a simplified version but if it would have legal issues mine time would be better spent on something else.

What’s the best orientation to print a pistol frame? Rails up or down??

Also should I print at a slight angle or just flat down?

>>64789642
it doesnt matter

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This bullpug shotgun based on the AUG came out last year around this time. How come I have not seen anything about using the gun and converting it to 5.56 with a magazine adapter and new internals? The gun costs as much as an AUG parts kit and upper kit for a nylaug

>>64789642
Slightly angled prints seem to break more often than flat ones, I like rails down but if you're not confident about cleaning the interior you can go rails up, it just uses more filament and lolooks rougher.

>>64742368
>3D Printed Guns
>Printed Guns
>Guns
kek
this isn't 2016

3d printed drones / mortars / artillery / claymores are a thing, boomer

>>64749965
Based irmão, session? Lets share info

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>>64789916
>>64790102
I slightly angled and printed rails down.

I think it turned out pretty good. Didn’t do two tone this time

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>>64798797
Interior

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I printed an MP5 brass catcher. Cuts port pop a bit, kinda nice

>>64798797
Honestly looks pretty good, nice job Anon

After finding out that Ruger EC9 parts kits are $90 and have a glock mag printable frame I kind of want one. I already got a g19 though and should probably just buy an ar15 upper.

>>64798982
Thanks anon

I used the model with “microtexture” which was probably a mistake. It looks cleaner in real life, but the pictures make it look lumpy. The texture also caused some weird finish on the top layer of some of the parts

I’m going to re-attempt using the AMS with multicolor with another model that shouldn’t have an issue with warping

>>64799063
>microtexture
I wish there was a less clunky way to do patches of slicer fuzzy skin. You actually get layer-level roughness control without having a hundred thousand polygons of small holes and bumps.

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40mm impact detonating flash round

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Hold off on buying one of those $600 iver johnson revolving shotguns boys.

>>64799024
Why not both?

>>64799024
>Ruger EC9
>glock mag printable frame
I haven't seen this yet, is it in beta?

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So I did some assisted calculations on a subject I had been thinking of. I've been wondering how much power is lost with these makeshift barrels. Apparently using a 6mm tubing as barrel for 22 will decrease it's velocity from around 1150 mps to 590 mps. Nearly half of the power is lost turning it into a glorified airgun. I'm interested if this is actually the case. Does anyone have a video of velocity measurements from something like the Harlot 22? Or better yet, does anybody here have the equipment to do these measurements?

>>64806126
Your numbers are nonsense and your question of a 6mm "barrel" for 22LR is retarded. That's not a barrel, it's so big you'll be lucky if cases don't split, and smooth-bore makes it an AOW. Yes, you lose shitloads of velocity, there's so much free space it's going to hit atmospheric in an inch, you'll be lucky to get 300fps out of it. We measure bullet velocity in fps or m/s, not your fictional mps with your fictional numbers pulled from nowhere. The "equipment" to measure bullet velocity is a chronograph, referring to a $50 Chinese chrono as "equipment" is a big red flag, I can only assume you're underage, foreign, or both.

>>64806198
6mm tubing is generally considered an alternative to barrel liners and barrels. I'm simply asking if it's retarded because it's not a proper fit. A question which nobody seems to be asking.

>>64806243
It's extremely retarded and not remotely a proper fit, it accomplishes little more than keeping the thing intact while you fire bullets with airshit energy levels and hour-of-angle accuracy.

>>64806256
Exactly my thoughts, although I didn't have the means to properly calculate it and was retarded enough to use "mps" in my post when I meant fps. Which I hope make more sense now. So since it is retarded why does everyone keep using them and insisting they're anything but gun powder powered airguns?

>>64743818
>bamboo
the apple of 3d printers. if you want it to JustWerk™ and don't mind that its locked down and very much not under your complete control, look no further

>prusa
also JustWerks™, but its completely FOSS. maybe slightly less polish, but that's about it
can be ordered prebuilt or in kit form

>voron
its not a product, its a design (well, 3 of them). you can find part kits online to order, you always have to build it yourself. you also need to source 3d printed parts for it. your ender clone may be able to do that part, tho you may need to diy an enclosure for it to be able to do ABS, which is what the voron needs
also note that there are many other self-source, self-build designs like the voron out there, but its the most popular by far

>ender 3 conversion kits
the cheapest and (imo) most fun option. given that the ender is so popular, there's tons of guides/kits that allow you to use its parts + some extras you need to buy to convert it from a shitty bedslinger to a much less shitty coreXY

some other considerations
>coreXY
you want that shit. its much faster than bedslingers
>klipper
you want that shit too
>enclosures
stictly necessary for ABS and other high temp filaments, not needed for pla, and in fact, may hinder printing pla. ofc, you can always leave the door or lid open, or arrange so that the ventilation fans keep running to maintain a lower temp
>resin
look into it, esp if you are also into figurines and stuff. im not up to date on engineering resins, but they exist, and might even be better than what you can get in FDM. big problem here is the post processing and fumes management. resin is a properly toxic chemical, you need to follow safety procedures.

tldr i'd suggest looking into a prusa (if you want JustWerks™) or a voron (if you want something more capable or want a more DIY experience). also look into resin printers, but only if you're willing to abide by safety protocols.

>>64806126
I'm also curious about how much power you're losing using a barrel that's wider than your caliber. I also wonder how much of a role that plays in your gun not breaking. I know people make several designs with correct rifled barrel material but a few like the ryno, and some I've been working on don't have terribly tight gas seals. I haven't bought a chronograph but probably should and am just going on what I've read over the years. One of the most interesting things was a website who sold short subcaliber converters for shotguns. They said that they tested various loads in the subcaliber devices and they generally performed about as well, there wasn't a huge power loss when for example they shot a 20 gauge out of a 12 gauge barrel or a .410 out of a 20. The cartridges did most of what they would out of the correct bore.

>>64806933
Ryno, Maverick, Null, NAG, etc. All based on what I know use 8 mm od 6 mm id tubing as pressure bearing components. Based on what I was able to figure out(me being retarded) the correct bore diameter for a .22 is 5.51 mm but can be up to 5.64 mm. This is with the assumption that the barrel would also have rifling, which should be of smaller diameter. Lets assume that's 5.49 mm. You would also need throat, chamber and possibly choke. The first two being being done using an ever so slightly cone shaped reamers of stronger material than the barrel. That should result in an actual proper barrel. The shortcuts that can be made seem to be slightly in the bore diameter and the chamber shape, where a slightly larger bore size doesn't affect the velocity that much and the shape of the chamber doesn't matter if you don't mind extraction problems. Now the assisted calculations I did(calculated in m/s but converted to fps for the reader) are based on measurements from a factory made Hammerli pistol using standard 30 grain off the shelf ammunition. Measured using a chronograph, the equipment I was talking about. You simply wouldn't get higher velocity out of such a short barrel even if you were using something else than a standard load. Because the acceleration drops to zero once the bullet exits the barrel and rest of the gasses are vented. In very short barrel weapons you'll see a fireball in each shot, this is the venting of excess gasses and powder relative to the barrel length. I did the assisted calculations with these details in mind, and being generous with the assumed barrel tightness by assuming that the internal bore diameter is ~5.64 mm. From what I can tell a lot of energy is lost. Like I said, around 64% but probably more.

>>64806933
>>64807227
The materials used in 3d printed .22s should last just fine. There have been actual .22 firearms with plastic bolts(namely the USFA ZiP 22) and they do function safely(they aren't good but that has nothing to do with this). So there's no reason to assume otherwise, and the easy fix would be to use metal breech face, like any properly sized piece of steel, with rest of the bolt being printed. So I don't think major fixes need to be done. I just think that there needs to be work done on barrels used in 3d printed weapons. A lot of these designers assume that the 6mm tubing can be used as an alternative to actual barrels. Luckily we are talking about a very small rimfire cartridge with heeled bullets. Pressure bearing slightly smaller inner diameter tubing can be bought online and a regular hand drill can be used as a makeshift lathe. With the work piece being holed in a proper lathe it will center most cone shaped tools. All that is required is some basic reaming tools and drill bits, namely 5.5mm, 5.6mm and 5.7mm. I have no idea how this affects shotguns and shotgun cartridge conversion kits. I would assume there's an element of economies of scale. Meaning you don't lose as much power because the amount of pressure and the projectile base is larger while the difference between the barrel and projectile base(wad) that much smaller. The wad being plastic might also spread and act as a seal regardless of the difference.

>>64807227
Napkin math is notoriously bad for answering ballistic questions, maybe we shoul ask psr or ivan to test it. That or one of us buys a chronograph.

>>64742368
>What are you guys printing?
Slightly custom junk as usual.

>>64742368

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>>64742368
What's the best gun to print for self defense if you don't have access to parts kits? Are there any smallish options that aren't .22s?

>>64806126
>>64806198
This is why the true desperate fag's weapon is the muzzle loader.

>>64742368
Have your 3d printed shitstick guns exploded on you guys? I had it happen twice. Well first one wasnt a real explosion the slide just broke and springs and shit flew 15m. Second one i shot about 20 shots and i think the barrel got so dirty the boolet didnt seat properly and the case ruptured, gun shrapnel flew everywhere. Yeet22 hammer

>>64820200
The only printed gun I actually bothered to make was a nylaug and it just werks (tm). All the explodey stuff is contained by a real AUG bolt and real AR-15 barrel extension though so I don't really have anything to fear.

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Working on a BCAM-WS-9NSS-1, it's a lot of cutting. Seems like significantly more work than a fgc, might be why I've only seen the one the designer made. It should be relatively small for a printed 9mm self loader though.

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I'm working on linking an M11/9 upper with a stribog lower. I modified the upper and made some wooden prototypes and the firearm feeds now. I'm going to make the final version out of 6061 using a dremel and files. I'd really like to find someone that can model the parts though so it can be released and interested people can either 3d print, or send the files to sendcutsend. It also uses modified DB alloy side plates.

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>>64748239
>>64748674
>>64751223

I don't keep up with this sort of thing.

I'm curious though. Is there much work going on with improvising different kinds of ammunition?
I've wondered for a long time if it would be possible for someone to DIY a "metal storm" type gun together that uses electric ignition to set off charges packed and stacked in the barrel of the weapon. If you could manage it, it would take almost all the mechanical complexity out of a firearm and instead you would just need a programmed circuit board and a battery, which could just be an arduino or something.

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>>64824148
There is some good work being done on printed ammo, 43r has been released and there are a few I've been using for boutique turn of the century rounds. I've also just seen someone making hk flares for their semi auto projector, very pleased as I've got one of those. We've discussed metal storm type options in these threads but I haven't heard of anyone prototyping anything.

>>64817159
>if you don't have access to parts kits?
That's the point of the FGC-9 series, buildable from nonfirearm hardware. Gatalog is a place to look. There have been several improvements and a few alternatives. .22lr is favored due to its low pressure, cheap ammo and generally being a low hanging fruit.

>>64824095
Impressive.

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>>64789095
>the ATF considered
Who cares?

>>64823992
There seem to be quite a few m11 lower options, what advantage does a stribog based one provide?

>>64824301
Very cool. They use commercial primers though? It's a good step anyway.

>>64824631
Cheap, reliable double stack 35 round magazines, doesn't require a 3d printer, the parts to mate the two are non-descript enough that you could get them made by a 3rd party service without raising any questions. The downside is the bolt modifications are pretty extensive, I'll probably have to add weight back in.

>>64824695
The dev said he had no intention of doing a cap or nailgun blank version but was sure there would be some from the community. I had independently made similar .22 blank primed ones before I had even heard of his project. Not sure if any files for alternative primers are out, I never posted mine.

>>64824723
Oh, didn't know the lower was unserialized, neat project.

>>64789095
LOL you care what those fags think? Fuck them and I hope those babykillers get what's coming to them.

>>64742368
Why is this a conversation still ..
After all these crimes and events...
You're still trying to have redundant topics

>>64748239

>Phillip Luty
>Jstark
>Rebel forces in Myanmar

Just off the top of my head.

>>64742368
I just use beach plastic I find when the tide recedes. If it works for Lel-Kek, it works for me.

anything cooler than the fgc-9?

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>>64825834
That's the recommended material for the p32, it kept clogging my printer though

>>64825916
>Two 1st-gens
Lovely. Have you managed to crack one yet? I've got a whole lot of 73gr S&B surplus that the PLA+ frames don't handle.

>>64825947
I don't shoot much, just a few rounds to function check then I toss them on the pile.

>>64826215
delightful

How come no one's ripped off the Jtac bullpup lower for the Stribog yet?

>>64798803
to save yourself some hassle down the road, i would lightly sand and smooth out the top.
my experience with the py2a frames is if you see that stepping on the top of it, the slide starts to catch and you have to sand down small bits
a lot easier to do when parts/rails arent inserted

>>64753514
Pretty sure I read an announcement about its suicide on fosscad, has to have been at least a year ago, probably more like two. It wasn't very long after some suppressor pack heshe published.

>>64754024
>ring mag gun
Did that thing ever get released? I remember the original designer bowed out after releasing some not-really-workable files because he was afraid of government retaliation (wasn't he in Hong Kong? so a not unreasonable fear).

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>>64827522
Humphrey, the original designer is American, he started a new job and distanced himself from the gun stuff online. Nopel picked up the project, reworked and released it on his odysee.

>>64775026
>First time I‘ve heard that JStark was in the military prior to all this. I don’t want to be a dick about it, but do you have any proof of that.
How much of a dick do you have to be not to just fucking Google it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Duygu
>Duygu enlisted in the Bundeswehr, the German armed forces, in 2015 as an enlisted soldier.[4] He served in a logistics unit, where he advanced to the rank of junior non-commissioned officer (Unteroffizier).[5] During his service in the mid-2010s, he received basic firearms training, including use of the G36 assault rifle. However, as a member of a non-combat logistics role, his operational access to firearms was limited to training exercises, and German law prohibited him from owning one privately despite his military experience.[5][6] Duygu left the Bundeswehr before 2018.[5]

https://3dprint.com/304936/jstark1809-the-german-soldier-behind-the-3d-printed-gun-revolution/

>>64789095
>I was under the impression that the ATF considered all revolving cylinder 12 gauges to be unsporting, is that not the case?
I may be mistaken, but I think that applied only to semiautos with detachable magazines, whether revolving drum or stick. This was back in the Clintoon era when they decided that the USAS-12, Striker-12, and Street Sweeper were "destructive devices" because "muh nonsporting assault weapon shotgun", whereas the genteel bird-blasting semiautos from Remington/Winchester/Mossberg were just fine and dandy.

It would be hard to explain why a 4-6 shot revolver shotgun was less "sporting" than a Remington 11-87 with an 8-round extended tube magazine.

Google says Illinois has its own state-level ban of "any shotgun with a revolving cylinder" which is kinda retarded which is kinda Illinois. Pritzker not dropping dead of a heart attack is proof that Satan exists and hates everyone in Illinois.

>>64827572
Way cool, thanks. I've been meaning to grab the files for the latest M1337, have to look for this one as well.

>>64775026
They did give him the Luty treatment. There's been publications of him being an incel and neo-nazi and all that. Shit which makes no sense, which don't fit the picture he chose to publicly portray, and shit which more than half of chan community posts. All of this with posts on the internet being credited to him. They just did it post-mortem because he was gaining a martyr status among his peers and they needed him to look like an idiot. Which he probably was, but that has less to do with everyday reality and more to do with staining his image. Always remember they didn't have to disclose his name publicly. It could have stayed between the government and him, being just an anonymous criminal like the vast majority. But they did. Because that's how they operate. They wanted it that way. Now one could speculate that he didn't have to die and could have been just prosecuted. But understand that this was post-terrorwave. The german intelligence community had already ramped up and streamlined their operations since the stasi times and he probably wasn't the first to get the treatment. When it comes to offing people it does happen, that's why we know of poisons like Novichok. Because they do mess up quite a bit and they backstab each other all the time. It is just how the intelligence community is and from their point of view offing people is the easy solution to problems which can't be resolved. Unfortunately it is your and my reality that governments assassinate people. Generally spies or terrorists, and these are people too with intricate lives, they just happen to be doing the forbidden thing. So in general it's not a good idea to portray yourself as either one, especially during times when actions are authorized like it's candy. This is probably the big mistake where everything went downhill. You can be a criminal all you want, assuming your ass can take it in prison, but don't make videos wearing balaclavas making threats and demands against the society.

>>64827598
>>64827707
It seems as if I did not follow that case enough. Just read one or two articles and some posts on here. I did not know his real name nor his background. Thanks for educating a lazy, dumb cunt.
His military time seems to be odd though.
>enlisted 2015
>left the Bundeswehr before 2018
Seems like an odd time frame for a non-com.
I‘ve seen his youtube interview. He probably was an idiot. That does not mean that I want to downplay his contribution.

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>>64747170
We don't do DNL anymore. His ergos are dogshit and he's not going to learn

I would really love to fabricate silencers for my weapons, but I'm too lazy to apply for $0 tax stamps, so I guess I won't.

If you've been successful in obtaining such stamps please let me know if it was worth it.

>>64828086
It's not that odd. Germany had a voluntary military service which lasts minimum of 6 months, with the option to extend up to 23 months. He went in 2015, came out before 2018. And more importantly... why lie about something like that. This is not a glorified detail, it is just a detail. He was essentially a truck driver for the military. As a MP I've seen some military truck drivers from time to time, they don't do much beyond driving trucks, stealing rations and taking long naps. Guess he got bored of driving trucks and wanted a greater purpose. Guess he got pissed off at the obstacle course of obtaining a firearm licence and found his purpose. Young men and their ambitions... The source of all revolutionaries. Always out to change the system and they think they know how things ought to be... But on a more serious note we shouldn't lose focus here. You want to educate yourself on the man, read it up on the internet but take things with a grain of salt. For everything else just remember what he stood for. Yes, he's an idiot and that contributes to his approach to the problem at hand. But unless you got a doctorate I think you fall in the same category. He was one of us. Let's not hold him to a different standard.

>>64828186
It's easy, cost me nothing, now I have several completely legal suppressors that each cost me less than $10 in materials. Electronic fingerprints are easy, I did my own with EFTSuite. For 22LR it's a no-brainer, do it, there are some great 3D printed options and they cost next to nothing to produce. For other pistol calibers there's more appeal to commercial cans, printed ones are comparatively larger and less effective with some even managing to be heavier than their titanium competitors, but it's still fun to make a 9mm can for roughly the price of a Big Mac. For rifle calibers though, printed suppressors sure are neat but they don't remotely compare to anything off-the-shelf. They require more time, effort, and materials cost and in return you still have a short-lived disposable suppressor that can easily be ruined by accidentally shooting a little too fast. Very neat, maybe even viable for certain types of shooters (hunters?), but if I made a 308 can I wouldn't print any part of it.

>>64828275
>minimum of 6 months, with the option to extend up to 23 months
But this form of voluntary military service does not open the path to become a non-com. That's what struck me as odd. Maybe I am not up to date, but to become a non-com in the german army you need to sign a contract for usually 8 years. It is possible that the people who wrote this shit down knew jack shit about all of this and just made some mistakes, who knows?
Yes, he was a radical and passionate about it. I have to give him that. And he managed to make a name for himself. Not many people can say the same about themselves.
His youth was what made him an idiot. But at that age, all the best people are idiots. He would have calmed down with age. Most radicals lose their edge with age. Sadly his time had come. One way or another. I hope that he found peace in the end.
>He was one of us. Let's not hold him to a different standard.
Probably the best sentence in your paragraph with more truth to it than I like to admit.

>>64828086
>Thanks for educating a lazy, dumb cunt.
Nah, it's all good, I was just being a trolling dick.
But srsly tho, 90% of the time google works every time.

>every single link in this thread is flagged as being hijacked with spyware/trojans
lol, lmao even.

>>64829115
Ctrlpew and Wikipedia? Your antivirus is really antigun

>>64829255
Specifically the links that Ctrlpew and the other sites post that lead to where you can actually get the STL files. The landing sites like Ctrlpew clear, but the other ones say "Fuck off lmao".

>>64823992
How are you engineering the MAC to use a double-stack mag? Just milling the bolt to clear the feed lips and a new feed ramp?
I'm not sure you'll be able to add mass back to the bolt in a way that won't mess with the system's reliable function either way due to length.
IF you succeed, you'll be a legend in terms of others aping the ideas, the only thing holding the DB Alloy back is the dogshit printed STEN mags and that'd be the most obvious thing to improve with this.

>>64830886
>I'm not sure you'll be able to add mass back to the bolt in a way that won't mess with the system's reliable function either way due to length.
Mallory metal

>>64830893
Yea, that'd do it.
I don't know why I didn't think of tungsten weights considering what AR buffers are made of.

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Nerd Alert: Steyr releases 3D models of the grips for their new AT Modular Pistols for end-user customization and 3D printing. Includes STEP, STL, and OBJ variants of multiple grips in multiple sizes and even 3D printing recommendations for this with SLS Nylon printers.
https://www.steyr-arms.com/en/atd-atc/

>>64831312
>Steyr releases 3D models of the grips
That's pretty cool.
I like when companies do that.
Valve did that with the Steam Controller and Steam Deck and I've printed a few replacement little plastic shits because they broke from Souls-like button mashing.

>>64831413
Need more. Avidity released some files for the PDP10 back in the day, nothing of note to come of it because nobody wanted their 30SC trash anyway. Kel-Tec uses 3D printed parts in production guns but doesn't publish models, the bastards. I'm willing to bet there are examples of this that I'm not aware of, I wonder what else might be out there.

>>64829755
Search what you want on the guncadindex, download it on odysee.

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>>64830886
Yeah, shaved the rails off the bolt. It feeds round nose consistently with a wooden feed ramp and everything mocked up with zip ties and shims so I expect to be able to have reliable feeding. My only other concern beside bolt weight is bolt tilt. I may have to run a guide rod from the rear trunnion to the front trunnion in place of the current recoil spring and guide rod setup. I'll also have about an extra in of bolt travel I can add in if I need to. You're correct in that theres not many easy areas for me to add bolt weight. As to what impact success will have, it's not that revolutionary given that middleton made has some mac n cheese that feeds from evo and mp5 magazines that they're taking preorders for. I just hope to be able to give something diy friendly to the community. Everything so far has been done with a grinder, dremel, and files. Initially I'm going to try to make the trunnions out of solid aluminum, but it should be possible to make them out of laminated steel/aluminum as well.

>>64831628
>gunsmithing on a granite countertop
You see something new every day, huh
>taking orders for
That's the rub, if (you) can formulate a modification for the MAC bolt so the only parts needed (or cutting jigs for a DIY conversion) are printable, then you're already ahead of anyone selling pre-modified parts, at least in the "free and open source" side of this.
Getting it to an exact science for mass replication is the hard part though, and I doubt it'd be truly end-user doable without a sizeable amount of math in every single conversion due to tolerances and material availability.
Instead of just bolt weight, it's also worth experimenting with the spring as well for its part in the equation, assuming it doesn't make it too hard to charge the gun in the first place.

>>64831741
>gunsmithing on a granite countertop
I had some old slabs so I lapped them to make a flat surface. Very handy for layout.

By the time I'm done trimming I'll have taken less than an ounce off of the bolt, I figure I can make that up with tungsten powder and epoxy in the top charging handle slot, maybe a stronger spring but mass is more effective for keeping a breach closed. Ideally I'll get someone to model the front and rear trunnion as well as the modified sideplates so it can just be printed or ordered through sendcutsend. I don't even have a computer, let alone a 3d printer so I'll need a partner to release jigs and files. I finished the bolt by clamping down an angle grinder so the disk was level with the granite and stacking shim stock under the bolt to get the depth of cut I needed. The dremel cutoff wheel flexed too much to make a level cut. Modeling a jig for that is outside of my expertise.

>>64831937
>I don't even have a computer
>that cutting setup
Godspeed you beautiful bastard

>>64825889
Depends on your taste I guess, but for function, ease of manufacturing, cost, handling and drip the fcg mkII nutty9 is cutting edge. Unless you can buy parts kits where you live.

>>64827707
The smear is supposedly based on linguistic correlation to /pol/ posts, not even writing legitimately tied to him, just posts the author felt were so close to his writing style they must be him. Even if he posted some less than politically correct takes, who at this point in time hasn't said something that could be held up against them in the court of public opinion?

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>>64825916
Very Florida

>>64742368

>>64742368
A friend is asking for the free no registration repository for these guns
>Do you really want us to spoonfeed you? You lazy asshole
Will it work?

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Bazinga

>>64835641
What are you printing at 10% infill?