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Friday, hope anons are enjoying the world's greatest gun exhibitiozzZZzzzZzzzz
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>>64792191
>whites
>come to aid and provide life saving techniques
>everyone else
>???
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>>64792191
what the fuck happened?
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Bullpup stribog conversion. The last time I heard about this thing might've been years ago.
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>>64792191
Oh shit is the negligent discharge pasta about to get a few new lines?
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Anyone have any info on the guy who posted the picture from B&T booth about the rail accessory that gives the VZ 51 Skorpion a railed front/rear/top receiver mounting points?

Asking for a friend....
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>>64792221
huh, is it actually coming out this year now or is this some fund raising/don't forget about us guys thing?
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>>64792243
What about it?
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>>64791872
From the last thread.

You can make your own slings. You can just get high quality webbing and make your own slings. You can make a gucci sling for 20 dollars of materials. You buy the sling because you don't want to do that, but you can easily just roll your own if you were so inclined.
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>>64792221
welcome back Chicom CQB
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>>64792167
I was wondering why I didn't see a Shot Show thread earier. It was auto-filtered because it was posted by a reddit namefag. Lol.
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>>64792299
oh shit, how do I get more information? is this a new product release from B&T that is coming to US market or Euro market? I am very interested in this product but I cannot find anything about it other than your pictures, any additional information about it would be extremely helpful, thanks!
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While I should be used to disappointment and allergies to innovation or risk taking in this gay industry I'm still bummed anyway at how basically nobody seems to have any cool new nfa stuff ready to go. I still think it'll eventually matter but I thought $0 stamp and 1-4 day approval (and real prospect of cans/sbrs being deregulated entirely) would have prompted more stuff day 1 since everyone has had 7 months. Maybe more places will start experimenting in 2026.
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>>64792392
Here's all I've got so far. B&T is a skeleton crew by Friday. Ill see if I can ask someone
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>>64792415
Shit, wrong person
>>64792371
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Strike industries makes a lot retarded accessories, but are their guns any good? They're making a roller delay pcc.
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>>64792315
lol. lmao. I just have a bunch of old leather belts. Big Sling doesn't want you to know this, but you can get almost unlimited slings at Goodwill. I have 12 slings not mounted on any guns in my closet alone.
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>>64792415
>>64792371
Guy up front said "Man, Karl showed up with it on Monday and I guess we're gonna start production."

No price yet and ETA is 'hopefully this year'

Pic is Phoenix pistols, made by the Swiss
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>>64792442
Looks ugly as shit compared to European PCCs. 90% of having a PCC is it looking cool.
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>>64792216
Two guys got in a scuffle and one drew a knife
All I know
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This shot show is fucking ass. Only good thing is Kimber' warrior DS and chiappa 44. everything else is shit
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>>64792631
Even the Jap nambu reproduction?
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>>64792689
Has it been given a release window yet? I recall seeing it last show.
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>>64792618
>one drew a knife
Which one of you was this?
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>>64792200
They guy that stabbed him was white, according arfcom, it was his brother
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>>64792843
Brother brother or his actual brother?
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>>64792764
Supposedly march of this year, preorders are already sold out.
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>>64792826
I had a few drinks. Im not sorry.
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If anyone is at Shotshow, could you please ask the Chiappa people if their .44 magnum Rhino can shoot Buffalo Bore +p+ 340 grain ammo?
I would be very grateful!
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>>64792167
I've never been more disappointed in a tradeshow than ces 2026
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>>64793101
>Absolutely not.
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>>64793101
How attached to your hands are you?
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>>64792299
What a Way to fucking ruin a cool gun
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>>64793254
So why did it explode?
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>>64792167
So anything cool or is it just more GayR-18 clones and blowback 9mm carbines like every year?
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the jews be out of pocket fr
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>>64792365
>midgets?
Yes, there were midgets this year.
https://files.catbox.moe/ql75dt.mp4
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>>64793627
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▶Mossberg 990 SPX Magpul Shotgun

1300 USD.
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▶Shield Sights OMSx Micro Red Dot

Competition-oriented optic with a translucent roof. 4 and 8 MOA. 490 USD.
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>>64793433
Bubba’s patented ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++p+++++++++++++++++++++++++ rounds
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>>64793627
Next year better have a monkey you can take pictures with
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▶Detroit Gunworks DGW Mini-R Rifle

A folding bolt action that takes AR mags.
2500 USD in 2 months.
https://detroitgunworks.com
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>>64793514
>So anything cool or is it just more GayR-18 clones and blowback 9mm carbines like every year?
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>>64793514
>>64793804
last thread someone said there was some whackadoodle caseless bullpup thing
>>64786209
>>https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/shot-2026-blecher-brashzero-caseless-bullpup-rifle-44825533
so thats pretty different? does not seem to be any video of it actually shooting though.
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>>64792191
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>>64793433
teleport to the woods
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>>64792221
As a SP9A3 owner I'm totally getting one. I just need to decide on getting the 10mm or 45acp upper to go with it first.
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>>64793822
I wouldn't have taken a risk either. Knife wounds that are leaking any serious amount of blood are no fucking joke, I have some old first responder training but wouldn't feel confident taking a risk on that one, you don't know for sure how much blood loss any given individual can take or if they have some underlying conditions that might flare or some shit and go south real quick. Get it stopped and let EMS figure it out from there.
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>>64793254
Honestly, get another picture. This meme is getting to be as tired as exploding glocks and scorpion pccs.
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>>64793815
Hey you remember this fucking thing that turned out to be vaporware? If the Krauts couldn't make caseless ammo work there's a better chance of me finding a girlfriend in the next decade than the Brazilians doing it.
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>>64794028
FWIW:
>If the Krauts couldn't make caseless ammo work
It did work for them though afaik. Initial version had challenges but they'd gotten it pretty well sorted by the final block revision and it was ready for mass production and initial adoption. Then the Berlin wall came down and Cold War ended and also LE END OF HISTORY and yuros immediately cut military to the bone and poured into socialist democracy instead and that was that. G11 was honestly pretty cool though and kind of a shame we never got to find out what another decade of R&D and a block 3 or whatever might have done.

And then going to that weird thing it's a totally different approach as well. So the G11 doesn't even have anything to do with it.
>there's a better chance of me finding a girlfriend in the next decade than the Brazilians doing it.
I mean, not that I disagree with you but at least it's not boring. And shit, the South Africans came up with some whacky wild cool stuff that did shoot so I dunno.
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>>64793786
Why would I pay this much for a meme bolt action that says "Detroit" on the side?
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>>64794085
So you can claim the veteran discount at your slop-thru of choice.
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>>64793527
Did you ask them about the new GoyimGat model? Apparently you now have to insert a quarter and acknowledge the holocaust before each shot.
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>>64794028
Speaking of vaporware, does anyone remember this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d47EEo2N8PM
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>>64792191
Emergencies means rushing, I know, but to the guys who carry tourniquets, nitrile gloves are like 25 cents a pair so you don't have to get a strangers blood all over yourself who might have god only knows what that you can contract. They are absolutely a piece of equipment you need to swap out from time to time but still worth it. Plus, having a few pairs is just nice anyways if you end up having to work on a vehicle or some mess.
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>>64792689
>>64792922
when is he going to make one that doesn't look like complete ass? We are a year behind schedule now
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>>64792922
>preorders
oh no no no
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>>64793514
last year was the best year for non-blowback PCCs
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>>64792415
kek, that looks like a 40k bolter
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>>64792450
same
>>64792843
arfcom's brother stabbed the guy?
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>>64793659
is this also turkshit?
>>64793695
kind of cool
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>>64793822
>>64793972
same. TQ if you can, let the emts deal with it
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>>64794248
I wanted this, sucks that it didn't make it. I thought Black Rain was more reputable than to ditch projects like that.

>>64794539
If you roll up and there's an arterial bleed, or they've lost a significant amount of blood, TQ it. If it's minor fucking do not. Good samaritan laws are really being put to the test by retards like you who TQ minor bleeds and give CPR to people having a seizure and break their ribs. Please leave it to the experts and no the shit you saw online doesn't make you one. This board has a serious layman issue. Why do you think people have to go through months of training to become an EMT? Thats not even a high level in the medical field, but you've said something more retarded than any of them would even at their low level. TQs are to be avoided unless necessary, though they have lowered that threshold of "necessary" a bit over the years. But telling retards on the internet "TQ everything" is bad. Very BAD.
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>>64794623
not reading all that gay and retarded yuro shit
a stab wound is a traumatic bleed, keep the blood in, retard
TQs also really aren't a big deal for the what 5-20 mins until the EMT gets there? they are only bad if they are on for a long ass time
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>>64794649
Yup, no training. The EMT doesn't remove them, they need to stay on until a surgeon gets to the ER. Only specialized personnel can remove a TQ while anyone can remove gauze.

Combining posts because of these stupid fucking captcha timers. BRO is making an AK.

https://youtu.be/YyKFSJ5pMA8

>milled
>heavy ass handguard
>$2,500

I hate it.
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>>64794715
>oh no he has a tq on for 30 mins
it's not an issue unless it's for a long time, retardo
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>>64794724
Then put one on for 30 minutes and just sit there.
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>>64794730
I'm not bleeding, retardo
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Double .44 mag rifle
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tXQKmNvfsCI
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>>64794737
>but I did have breakfast this morning
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>>64794857
keep being gay and retarded
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$100 can waiting room.
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>>64795001
Unbelievable that we don't already have cheap suppressors, even when there was a tax stamp. It's the most simple device, a literal fucking can with some baffles. Costs like $20 in production at the most. Fuck greedy Jews, it's probably better to just make one yourself at this point and register it for free, or just fucking DON'T
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>>64794623
>>64794715
>>64794730
>>64794857
Lotta talk for someone who wasn't there.
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>>64793627
a little short for a storm trooper
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>>64794763
Man people are crying about nothing good when there's all kinds of good shit this year.

>Cool caseless prototype gigasperg bullpup that'll never be built
>Chiappa Rhino in 44 mag
>44 mag Rhino in Hitler font 44 edition with WW1 German camo
The only way they could've signalled harder is if they made a "no darkies" edition in snow white.
>Double barrel 44 mag
>Baker rifle
>LLI pano nvg
>Eotech but shake awake now
>Zastava semi auto beltfeds
>Bond Arms suppressed derringer (my fav)

The only bad (honestly funny) thing is PSA commiting suicide publicly with their cancelations and deciding to make all their guns one gun.

We got the OG Vuk back though so I don't care lmao.
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>>64795001
>>64795053
>$100 can waiting room.
>Unbelievable that we don't already have cheap suppressors
So yeah, I'm actually mildly surprised there weren't more companies with cheapshit cans ready to go day 1 of $0 tax. We know not merely that that's doable in theory but that it's easy in practice because that's literally what all those $50-100 chinese """oil filters""" people were F1'ing for awhile were. <$1 worth of steel and some easy machining that gets pumped out anyway is all it takes for something basic, and if it's cheap enough then "30 day warranty only" and zero support is fine, you could throw one away every year for a decade and it'd still be way cheaper then a lot of American big ones. Maybe ATF is slow walking approval of new companies or imports or some shit, and existing players want to protect their profit margins.

Though this is retarded:
>even when there was a tax stamp
No way fag, tax stamp was the core reason for our warped market. It meant a can would be $200 even if it was free, and a $100 can would be $300 for a 200% effective tax rate, and if it had to be replaced such that it needed a new F4 that'd be another $200. And still no real support or quality. $300-500 was about the bottom where it made sense with that bullshit.

I think we'll get there but guess it'll take longer. Maybe it's also just general market jitters, constantly changing import taxes and customers shit etc.
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>>64795287
>>44 mag Rhino in Hitler font 44 edition with WW1 German camo
lmao, pic?
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>>64795189
Agreed, there's plenty of blood on the floor that's clearly visible and apparently he'd already soaked a shirt on top of that too so they're a bunch of retards.
>Muh tq dangers
Guys got bigger problems if ems somehow takes 3+hrs to get him to the hospital in fucking LV.
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>>64795287
The Zastava 300blk AK was neat too, I've always wanted a 300blk made out of trashcan metal.

>>64795306
The tax stamp ans special approval made them seem like a luxury item only richers could afford, because that's the only people who were buying them. Boomers who were okay with pissing away a few hundreds. Now that the majority of the market would buy them if they were priced at what they're worth, someone should just make them at less than $100 a pop. That's a really good get rich quick scheme for anyone with the mechanical proficiency. Start a company and start pumping out cheap cans. Millions would buy them considering the $0 stamp.
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>>64795469
Correct me if I’m wrong, but while there is slightly hassle with transfers, isn’t there still a shit ton of ATF bureaucracy involved on the manufacturing side? I can easily see it not being worth the headache and risk of having your dog shot just to sell hundred dollar suppressors.
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>>64793786
This is actually interesting to me. I hope it succeeds.
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>>64795489
Just licensing bullshit, an upgraded FFL and actual business selling firearms. I think the high cost is due to the high level licensing it requires, not just anyone can make them to sell them.

I think there may be a workaround to this because you can just make one yourself so long as you register it. So a company can make the parts and then the buyer assembles them himself and registers it. Might be doable, I'm not a lawyer or ATF agent so idk.
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>>64795518
80% suppressors?
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>>64795053
Ok, so go buy whatever tools you think you need, spend the time and material learning how to make one, and do it.
>piece of pipe with wipes
Cool, do it and show us. These guys will have everything you need. https://www.mcmaster.com/
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fucking garbage at shotshow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIkJUNh9vfo
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Loving the new paradigm where poors are forever priced out of anything even resembling quality (As it should be). This is what a recession looks like folks.
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>>64795715
I've noticed a difference between the low cost guns and the higher priced guns. This is a good example actually >>64795709

You're not getting the real thing, you're basically getting a range toy version of an AUG that will work but I wouldn't take it into combat or trust it to reach a high round count or take any sort of real abuse. But if you like the AUG, here's yoir chance to kinda own one and shoot it, gwt familiar with it. I had a VZ2008 that was shit quality, the inside of the receiver was spray painted including the springs so they would compress and leave spray paint shavings in the gun, fitment was a bit off so the corner of the BCG would ram into the receiver, racking it was not smooth at all. Then I owned a CSA VZ58 and the difference in quality was insane. Perfect fit and finish, no complaints at all, love it and would never sell it. One was $500 and one was $1200, in today's money that would be like $700 and $1500. It sucks but expect to pay over $1500 for a good quality rifle that's not an AR. Those are too commonly produced domestically for them to jew you on, there's actual competition keeping the prices low until you get into the higher end stuff.
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>>64795715
it's like this for all industries. companies are trying to replace workers with jeets or just overload a handful of people with multiple people's worth of jobs and then because no one wants to buy shit because lol no wages companies are instead jacking up prices and targeting the top 10% or 5% or whatever it is
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>>64795287
Yeah idk why some YouTubers I've watched complained there's nothing interesting when it's probably the most exciting year of recent to be into guns. Been enjoying watching the smaller vlog type channels that visit a ton of booths. Bond arms really showed up this year.
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>>64795974
Its interesting nonetheless. Sort of resembles the watch market. The big wig companies are taking their fit for purpose strikers “casios of the gun worlds” and passing them off as primo competition guns with nice finishes, nice bags, extended mags, compensators, red dots. Clearly trying to make their cheap to make strikers look like “luxury” “competition” items. Then we’ve got the slop tier guns like the AUG or that uggo turkish spas-12, and everything from PSA. Fake rolexes of the maket for low impulse buyers and tourists. Listen to the people being interviewed at the booths, they are scared. They know what they are selling is shit…and praying that the guntoober slop merchants won’t expose them too thoroughly.
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>>64795715
>quality
Where? Everything this show was gimmicky bullshit. And nothing that was already expensive changed in price.
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>>64792167
Shot Show 2026 is officially over. So what's the verdi/k/t anons?
>Hopes
>Expectations
>Hype Before
>Results
>Hype After
>Grade
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>>64797282
buh
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>>64797282
>>Hopes
none
>>Expectations
none
>>Hype Before
none
>>Results
none
>>Hype After
none
>>Grade
N/A
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>>64796031
Yeah it's sad to see this becoming the economy. It's like they're trying to prove all these faggot libtard scifis right. It's so comically accurate how fucking evil corporations have gotten, we're got them targeting just the upper class in their products, treating employees like slaves to keep them down, everything is a subscription, everything is shit quality not made to last.

>>64797282
>Hopes
More solid 10mm options, misc cool shit, cool new suppressors
>Expectations
None
>Hype Before
A little
>Results
Some 10mm options, not really any cool shit, all suppressors were already announced and released. Holosun raped the American optic market
>Hype After
Reduced, probably will switch to Holosun optics for carry
>Grade
C
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>>64794417
There was a bullpup PCC shown off last year, I think from mean arms, that looked really cool, but I saw nothing about it this year. RIP I guess.
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>>64795287
>We got the OG Vuk back though so I don't care lmao.

What's so special about a JAKL derivative that takes AK mags exactly?
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Everything released by the Blecher guy.

▶Blecher Flying Gun (X-Gun) for UAS

>Minimalistic and Lightweight Firearm System Purpose-Built for UAS, with Hybrid Piston Operating System

https://flyinggun.ai/features
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▶Blecher Mongoose and 1.36 Uppers

Originally shown off by the designer here.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63560256

Mongoose:

● Integrated Fully Retractable Brace (NO Buffer Tube)
● Long Stroke AK-style Operating System
● Interchangeable Barrels (different lengths, .300, 5.56)
● Modular Piston Rod
● Uses Standard AR15 Lower Receiver, AR15 Barrels, Bolt, cotter pin, and firing pin
● Lightest, Slimmest and Shortest on the Market; Configurations Under 15” long; 2.418 lbs upper incl. brace; 4.25 lbs completed assembly
● Elimination of Carrier Tilt with (1) dual carrier paths for piston and BCG, and (2) attaching the piston rigidly to the rear of the BCG
● Non-Reciprocating Left Side Charging Handle

1.36 has a reciprocating right side charging handle.

https://blecherllc.com/#uppers
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▶Blecher ISO BRACE

https://blecherllc.com/isobrace
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▶Blecher BrashZero Caseless Multicaliber Firearm

More photos. Article here: >>64786209
https://brashzero.com
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>>64797746
A modernized AK alternative that's more user friendly than a standard AK. It's a blend of the things we like from the AK and things we like from newer modern rifles. It's one of the few things I'd actually buy from PSA.

Looks like a cool, useful concept that we could use our AK mags with. The picatinny leaf sight alone is pretty damn valuable for those looking to do modernized AK builds. They need to sell their AK parts on their own, their safety selector and railed dust cover would be great for some builds. They should copy Zenitco parts too, big market for those. Really they should just do an Alfa AK model, that would be far more in demand than the VUK, but I think the owner is more interested in building what he wants to see made not what the market truly wants. There's a huge obvious demand for Alfa AKs and AK12/AK15s among other new Kalash Concern products that could be copied.
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>>64793786
Doesn't the Ruger PR in 5.56 also take AR mags? And AR10 mags in 308?
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>>64797282
Sad that H&K didn't announce a proper G36. Glad that H&K didn't announce a proper G36 because I love my S5 Tactical G36.
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>>64797733
Matador Arms, I think. This one: https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63227537/#q63233457
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>>64797836
discontinued
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>>64797887
Oh fuck me you're right. Seems like the 308 is still around though.
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What is this? It was in the basement next to Gideon Optics.
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>>64797856
>S5 Tactical G36
Huh, I didn't know anyone other than tommybuilt made those.
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>>64797910
Yeah. I wonder why it went away so fast. I never saw a proper explanation. It was well received.
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>>64797912
looks like a 3d printed bullpup lower for whatever bufferless upper that is.
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>>64797922
Seems like Ruger wanted to make the platform more about actual long distance shooting, hence all the ELDM calibers. 5.56 isn't exactly a long range caliber.
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>>64797912
It's a FM-15 upper (doesn't need a buffer system at all, the recoil system is self contained in the upper itself) on a bullpup conversion lowers. Considering the way it looks, I'd assume that specific one is 3d printed.
There's already a few AR bullpup kits out there that work with that upper as a drop-in component, including one that's fully 3d printed (Phantom Pup iirc).
Why you'd try to sell one in this current market is interesting to me, but then again the guy selling parts kit rebuilds with nylon AUG receivers was at SHOT too.
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Is their starter bundle reasonable for someone who doesn't yet own anything rifle related? I recognize the vortex red dot as being kinda shite, but is the rest reasonable for starter shite?
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>>64794248
Hop looks like he is going to fall asleep.
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>>64797778
should honestly be a flying P90 instead of an AR. More capacity, more compact, less recoil.
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▶KAC has new suppressors

or whatever
https://youtu.be/aC-DQ2Btje4
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▶Recover Tactical GZero Micro Clip Holster

Dodgiest product award
https://youtu.be/vrQui48OYh8
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>>64792167
I would say this was one of the worst show shows in the past 5 years honestly.
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>>64798543
Good concept but it needs work, it should fill the space behind the trigger so it can't get pressed. It also should be part of a light. Do people seriously carry without lights?
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I hope the K2 actually comes out this year and is over $2000
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Let’s see what showed up,
>pkm
>a fucking l85
>affordable master key
>colt 605 clone
>colt 606 clone
>sr-3m clone
>daewoo sbr
>daewoo smg
>nice selection of fal clones
>900.00 aug clone
Seriously WTF more do you want?
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>>64798610
Don’t worry mr boomer, your old import from the 80s will still retain their value if the new production ones are sub 2k
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>>64798610
>>64798618
oh shit, I meant isn't.
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>>64798610
If this is anything to go off of it'll be $1800
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>>64798631
>$1800
It'll need more than LA riot memes, Korean immigrants trying to reminisce on their conscription and Koreaboos to get any sort of traction at that price. Old original import ones will definitely retain their value.
$1500 would definitely fit it better in terms of "what most people would be willing to pay for one" if they wanted to carve out a sizeable market share.
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>>64797282
This year's shot show was the most disappointing trade show I ever. Even remotely slightly looked at and I had hopes at CES this year
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>>64798642
This, at 1200 a pop I would seriously try to get them all, 1500 is still viable, not ideal but viable. 1800…. Ehh my interest begins to wain. I might get one if I get in a mood by watching Toni cop and get the impulse but for that price there are some cooler rifles for less I had my eye on. Anything above 2k, nah
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>>64798650
What were you looking for?
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>>64798653
At 1200 I'd definitely grab at least one of them, probably 2 so I can keep one stock and another for a full RoK LARP gun.
Hopefully they keep support for them for a while (to lower prices) and an aftermarket sprouts up around it, otherwise it'll die in obscurity like every other late cold war rifle that isn't an AR or AK on the American market.
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>>64798656
Anything with suppressors and maybe some actually interesting stuff that'll actually release
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>>64798642
>>64798653
Hopefully tariffs can be renegotiated and they can knock a few hundred off
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>>64798664
I guess you missed the daewoo integer ally suppressed pcc. Also >>64798614
as annon pointed out
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>>64798543
Ahh nice a concealed carry option for the tranny with commitment issues who want to leave the exact timing of xer transition as a surprise.
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>>64798614
>pkm
I couldn't give two shits because at that point it's just a novelty or at best an oversized talking piece
>a fucking l85
overpriced and literally just a collectors item that fires bullets
>affordable master key
PSA so it's either not being released in the next however many years and there's still no price
>colt 605 clone
PSA owned brand with qc that's only marginally better
>colt 606 clone
read above
>daewoo sbr and daewoo smg
Both do sound promising and im glad they're actually being fucking released
>Nice selection of fal clones
I can't find anything besides the replica of the trial fal t48 which makes me think it'll be overpriced with dodgy QA
>$900 aug clone
I do like that
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>>64798614
>Cheap(er) version of the L85 is an A3 and has little nostalgia value
>A1/A2 versions are priced out of most collectors and definitely out of the price range of their former users
>Neither version can be owned by bongaloids in bongland in the first place
I understand it's a passion project but I have to wonder who they think their customer base is. Outside of veteran brits that moved to the US and just so happen to have ~12000 bucks to drop on a rifle and all those rabid L85 fans out there (all ten of them) I don't know who it's supposed to appeal to. I mean they'll probably sell out anyway since their production is very limited and there's plenty of richfags looking for unicorns to add to their collections but still.
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>>64798614
That SR3M those guys are making also looked megabased, but $3500 for the 10" barrel? Yeesh.
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>>64798543
Ah sweet a bunch of extra fiddly shit near the trigger!
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>>64798614
Other than the Daewoos maybe coming out soonish and maybe being vaguely affordable(doubt it), this entire SHOT was a bust. Everything you listed is a meme product that is overpriced and not very useful beyond being a talking piece. The 900 dollar AUG seems cool until you find out that the 3D printed component of it is made of nylon which doesn't inspire confidence. If they drop and have a track record of being reliable and good enough, then fine maybe I'm hyped for that, but I doubt it
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>>64799263
Joyless noguns
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>>64797858
Yeah, that's the one. I knew the company name started with an M. Also, wasn't someone bringing back that bullpup wrist rifle concept? Any updates on that?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbBfRRZJK4g

>roller delayed system makes 9mm +p shoot like .357 magnum

This is pure marketing BS right?
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>>64801570
Yeah, if there is a difference in FPS compared to like a tilting barrel system it's gonna be <5%. There's some overlap with full size 9mms and snubnose 357s as well as 9mm out of a carbine length barrel and lower power 357 but I dunno if he was trying to make those common knowledge comparisons.
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>>64799263
>PSA owned brand with qc that's only marginally better
Harrington & Richardson is just Nodak Spud. Stop pretending like it's PSA's brain child alone and affected by issues present in their other divisions
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Another year gone by with no top break, double action revolvers.
Another year gone by with no new DA/SA handgun designs.
I know that buying ammo is better than gunsuming, but throw me a bone already, I've been waiting long enough.
>>64793991
I wonder if it has actually been just one guy spamming that same image for the last decade. Maybe Emilio Ghisoni fucked his wife or something.
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>>64798614
I think this year is probably not as good as last but I'll add I'm somewhat excited about the Tippmann "Pirate Gun" (.380 Visible Loader). Not crazy about the wood texturing but the muzzle protector is very nice and the gun itself seems quite nice. About $800 (see: TFB's video) with a nice presentation box is not bad at all and they're supposed to be in production right now. Want to see one silenced and SBR'd.
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>>64797282
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Anyone have any more info on the Kriss Kymera? Seems like it'd be pretty cool, albeit a shit ton of loctite.
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>>64801721
>Harrington & Richardson is just Nodak Spud
No it isn't. Nodak spud closed down their shop in Minnesota when they sold to PSA and an completely different factory in an entirely different state with completely new people was stood up by PSA for H&R. Today's H&R has as much to do with nodak spud as it has to do with the old H&R. Everyone who worked at the old nodak was fired and took all their experience with them.
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>>64798543
>>64798546
for when you absolutely must shoot off your pp
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>>64798557
I don't think the market is doing that well
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>>64792581
>Pic is Phoenix pistols, made by the Swiss
Why are they so fucking ugly, why not just brink the sphinx back.
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>>64803718
Is that guy still around?
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>>64794857
Kek, I recognise that pasta
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>>64803486
effort but you should know better. industry conferences getting shittier and shittier across the board
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>>64802098
At least shot show is well stocked on disappointment each year!
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>>64798607
>Do people seriously carry without lights?
yea
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>>64798607
Yes. Been putting off getting a light since id need to get multiple new holsters
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>>64798607
Yes because I can't find a way to use a light that isn't uncomfortable for me
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>>64798614
>pkm
Heavy and pointless when I cant have full auto + ammo expensive
>a fucking l85
The worst gun of all time, wow
>affordable master key
Retarded
>colt 605 clone
Oh boy more fucking retro ARs
>colt 606 clone
Nobody cares dude
>sr-3m clone
Vaporware I guarantee it
>daewoo sbr
Will not be imported
>daewoo smg
Will not be imported
>nice selection of fal clones
Not exactly new
>900.00 aug clone
These are built on ratfucked jungle surplus plastic parts kits, which have lived much of what is already a finite life span (AUG stocks inevitably split on top). They also sold out the preorders immediately after it was announced.
>Seriously WTF more do you want?
I wanted new allow-frame revolvers from S&W, and I got them, but the QC is nonexistant so it's a no-go for me.
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>>64807082
Man I wanted to see if there was going to be anything about cheaper suppressors since y'know, the tax ain't here anymo
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>>64807082
>Vaporware I guarantee it
Probably but it was refreshing to hear him laugh at James when asked about using parts kits to build it.

So far I want the Bond derringer in 45 with the 3d suppressor, 44 mag Chiappa, and the SR-3M clone.

Really good year imo.
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>>64793659
Is Mossberg never going to make the 940 pro ever again, was it not popular?
I thought it was one of the most aesthetically pleasing shotguns I'd ever seen, I thought the spx upgrade kind of ruined the aesthetics
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>>64807325
I'm kind of surprised no one is making ultra low cost suppressors, like pic related. Even the new budget stuff is still relatively nice/conventional.
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>>64807082
Retro ARs ar cool, fuck off.
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>>64795518
07/02 are pretty trivial to get for anyone with a commercial shop capable of making suppressors and aren't even that expensive. ITAR is the bigger cost, but you pay that if you make basically any firearm accessory. Storage requirements and log books aren't even that big of a deal, even through the Obama years most field agents wanted you to stay in business so they were happy to help you correct errors made in good faith. I think it's more that if you have the setup to make suppressors, there's better things you could be doing with your time as a small shop. You need an industrial facility to really crank out cheap suppressors and those take lots of capital and a certainty that the market will continue to exist for the for a long enough time to pay off the initial investment.
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>>64803486
absolutely inscrutable
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>>64806873
>>64806946
>>64806975
>t. Notraining
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>>64808003
How would training make a reliable light that fits a j frame?
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>>64798614
>Let’s see what showed up,
>pkm
vaporware
>a fucking l85
$10,000 + tip + shipping + transfer fee + tip for your ffl
>affordable master key
Barrel mounted chainsaw / flamethrower tier
>colt 605/606clone
I'll give you this one
>sr-3m clone
vaporware
>daewoo sbr
vaporware
>daewoo smg
vaporware
>nice selection of fal clones
old news
>900.00 aug clone
clapped out parts kits on a 3d printed receiver that's not even worth it as a range toy. I say this as a parts kit enjoyer
>(editor's note) type 100 repro
actually cool but old news. Literally the only person in the entire firearms industry to bring a cool project to market
>(editor's note) Grot
$3000 + tip + shipping + transfer fee + tip for your ffl
>(editor's note) PSA modular shit
Killed the X9 for a flux raider rip off lmao
>(editor's note) Tippmann pirate gun
silly and fun
>(editor's note) Suppressed derringer
interesting I guess

>what do you want
HK S36/Uncucked US made USC/SP7
Actual SD turk MP5 imported by Century
AP33 (Century AP53 with a 12.5 in barrel)
More of the vaporware from last year to actually release (Dragunov, Daewoo, etc)
Actual release date on PM12 and FNC
Mat 49 repro
Bren 3
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>>64802098
>Another year gone by with no new DA/SA handgun designs.
No, but the Arex Zero 2 S is finally coming over with built in optics cut (now under the Styer brand) That's new for the USA market at least.
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>>64808003
>training = buy product
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>>64807325
These and the 22 is stupid light. Like half of the weight of any of my 22 silencers. IIRC 200 bux.
youtube.com/watch?v=nb7XEafrf-Q

>>64807565
I'd be interested in something like that but a hair nicer. Integral and length alone makes it work good no matter what, sure, but I have a feeling that minor improvements/modernization of those baffles could do quite a lot for little effort. Not to say I wouldn't want to know just how cheap it could go and what results you'd get.
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>>64808033
You wouldn't use a fucking revolver.

>>64808253
It's not light out half the time retard.
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>>64808131
Pretty accurate. Only thing I'll add is that all the accessories introduced this year were all wildly overpriced with the exception of Holosun. American manufacturers are straight up retarded and introduced nothing but mediocre slop that no civilian wants to buy rn because our money is better used somewhere else in this "greatest economy of all time" and not on holding their delusional hand. How is it that this country is being swamped with migrants for cheap labor yet these retards somehow drive the cost down on this stuff?
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>>64798614
a lot of these whiners can't be happy about anything because if they smile their dads will hit them.
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>>64794715
>The EMT doesn't remove them,
I'm a paramedic and I have to remove bullshit tqs all the time, even when i was an EMT. Usually its the improvised ones. Nobody ever tightens them down enough and that actually makes the problem worse. And about half the time they're completely unnecessary so I just cut them off and replace them with bandage.
I have never arrived on scene where the tq was properly applied. And I can only think of two times it was really warranted
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>>64807554
>was it not popular?
the shotgun market is in the shitter and they are literally making turkshit now. I'm pretty sure most of their sales are in cheap trash blasting meme guns
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>>64807746
>absolutely inscrutable
dunno seems clear enough. first two are integral pistols so anon wanted more. but recognized low chances. result was tumbleweeds lolnothing as expected.
second one is general wish for cool innovation. got one weird crazy thing and otherwise zzzzZzzz.
3rd one was what everyone wanted, cheapshit suppressors. seemed real likely too with no more stamp tax. instead industry pumps out crazy price ones. fuck that.

first two are unique but lots of anons surprised by no $100 can coming out given the chinese and yuros both show it being EZ
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Anyone look at the new Hi Power from SDS?
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>>64810613
Get the Girsan railed Hi Power currently on the market - the full length rail on the SDS looks like garish Czechslop and the rep was glazing over their trigger work like they unlocked the secret of life or something
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>>64808131
As much as the FRT space is salivating over a semi auto PKM, I can't remember the last time a belt fed semi was improved for importation - which means it eithet ain't happening or Zastava USA will have to import and bend flats
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>people itt saying the PKM is vaporware
They said it would just be parts kits last year so they already pivoted harder into "make it happen" than what 99% of companies out there would.
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>>64792191
Bringing a knife to a gun convention, heh.
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>>64811114
More like bringing a knife to the bar outside the gun convention.
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There are 3 separate conventions going on at the same time. SHOT, CES and WOC.
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>>64811062
I just want parts to come in that are not full parts kits. I need a new ejector door opener arm and possible a new bolt. Plus I would like to see how their conversion parts are and to possibly replace mine if theirs seems better
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>>64811049
I was more interested in it for the altered grip ergos
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>>64801570
Even in the current hell of 9mm being the only option for most pistols, that's marketing BS. Somewhere, hopefully earlier, along the line of initial pitch to prototype, someone would be smart enough to suggest just building a 10mm, or even a weird .357 Magnum auto over that. There has to be an incredibly tiny market of people who won't buy anything other than 9mm and people who would buy such a bulky thing just to squeeze the last drops of "just as good as" juice out of the 9x19.
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>>64808218
Oh, it was announced for US market? Shit, I might have to get a new flat face trigger to compliment my Zero 1.
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>>64795287
Hitler actually hated Fraktur font.
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>>64811862
>he did something wrong after all
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>>64811566
And if someone just really wanted to do some 50k psi 9mm +P+++ bubba they could do a gas system or the like instead. SilencerCo did a fixed barrel gas delay for the Maxim 9 and said it was fine to +P+ (=42k) and it didn't add much, gun is about the same as a full size glock beyond the suppressor.

But like you say there isn't really any particular point in it is all beyond someone just wanting to do it for fun. Which I'd respect if just honestly for the "well we just wanted to do something retarded cool." But if they tried to do a commercial release around it and hypebeasted it that'd be shit.
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>>64811446
Then buy a CZ in SAL
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>>64814524
*SAO
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>>64799599
>but I have to wonder who they think their customer base is
Niggas like me with 10k in the bank and nostalgia for Upotte (I am about to be raped by taxes and am glad I realized in time)
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>>64803671
What did PSA even buy off of them, then? Their tooling?
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>>64814524
>>64814530
But a CZ isn't a Hi Power
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>>64814684
NTA but probably that and Mike of NDS runs H&R for them. Basically they paid to get NDS and their designs and they pay the owner of NDS to basically do what he was doing before, though now it's mostly just AR related stuff.
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>>64793627
>>64793630

Jesus christ... Everything is just bread and circuses these days isn't it?
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>>64817284
bread&circuses+repainted clones of the same shit is better for shareholder returns then spending money on actual R&D and attempting to innovate please understand
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>>64817284
>a trade show in las vegas
>these days
yep aristotle, kids these days just don't know how to work
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Really disappointed the tweaker with the shitty Vintorez kit builds wearing sunglasses indoors wasn't there this time. That was the highlight last year.
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PSA is un-killing the X9, apparently.
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>>64818834
Forgot the link:
https://youtube.com/shorts/qsjYpNDPThA?si=4h0tr4Y069UWmll2
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>>64792631
>chiappa not in the pile of shit
Ok buddy.
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>>64808003
>being afraid of the dark
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>>64818019
Pardon me Rabbi, would you please explain to me how midgets twerking is relevant to any trade show?
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>>64798614
I want Nu-Colt to bring back the CM901 with the monolithic 1913 receiver, but sadly I don't think they ever will due to LMT holding the patent.
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>>64803718
The ugliness of modernity creeps into all things.
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I'm just looking forward to low cost suppressors and am glad that sometime this year I'll probably be able to get one for my .45s that isn't $1200+stamp+transfer+tip and the cheapest one possible for my .300 home defense AR and 5.56 AR since I rarely get to shoot my rifles anyway.

>>64799599
I guess expats and big money boomer collectors. I don't really see any other market for something so expensive and niche.
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>that'll be 16000 burgerbones plus tax
God, I hate being poor.
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>>64820699
>16,000
Biggest waste of money ever for useless LARP gear.
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>>64820751
This.
>but muh shtf
Sure
>larperate at night because muh NODS muh FIGHT IN THE DARK
>become a loot drop to some random niggaboo while you sleep during daylight to make up for your time pretending to be a delta ultra seal
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>>64794715
Black Rain Ordinance is still around?
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>>64808858
>And I can only think of two times it was really warranted
Could you describe those two times? I've heard conflicting reports about applying tq
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>>64792299
I hate that I only 95% hate it.
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>>64792299
Clonky turd looks 3d printed. Very cumbersome.
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>>64820751
>>64820811
Poorfag cope
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>>64821668
Post NODs
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>>64818597
Would have been uber kino if he went and attacked Ian in the middle of shot show.
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>>64818834
Well, good to know they're going to give it another try I guess. But it's quite ridiculous that they gave up as soon as they found they needed to make it thicker. In some spots.
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>>64821843
>PSA gives up a project when they find out they have to actually do engineering instead of just copying someone else's design
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>>64798614
All shit
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>>64820751
>Biggest waste of money ever for useless LARP gear.
Eh, not that I have quadnods specifically but sorta feel like nvg is one of the least useless things you can get unless you're a cityfag. Like, something really useless is armor of any kind since you'll never once in your life get any value out of it whatsoever, whereas NVG (even regular nvg with narrower fov) is at least super fun to simply go innawoods at night with. You'll see all sorts of stuff that'd normally be scared away by lights and it's just rad to be able to see in the fucking dark.

All this shit for 99.9% of us is purely about fun. For basic hunting any old random 223 or 308 is plenty for all regular north american game and for self defense whatever basic cheapshit compact 380 or 9mm is also fine. Going beyond that is about having a good time. And nvg is a good time whenever for no consumable cost beyond a minuscule amount of electricity. Worse hobby/entertainment things to spend a bunch of money on honestly.
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>>64803863
But how would you feel if you didn't recognize that pasta?
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>>64821852
Kek accurate
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Thanks to the anon/anons posting all the links and cool stuff. I always appreciate these threads for shot show.
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>>64824264
you too anon. just wish that
>cool stuff
was actually a bit more prevalent then it ended up being
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>>64820751
Their bread and butter will likely be PD sales. Outfitting a swat team with 16k quad nods is much more palatable than outfitting 3 guys in a stack with them for 50k each.
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>>64821873
You are either a nogunz faggot, or have really shit tastes in guns. Either way your a faggot
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>>64825831
LIke I said this shotshow was extremely disappointing
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>>64807565
Speaking of vss stuff I just got done arguing with a retard saying 5.45 is a bigger round than 9x39
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>>64798614
Post the aug
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>>64808003
Fuck off Paul Blart
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>>64826664
why was 5 afraid of 6
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>>64828612
Because six seven.
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>>64798614
The $900 AUG is by far the worst here. It's a NylAUG, you can build it for $650 - you get a beat to shit stock, a plastic reciever and a fixed non removable barrel. Pony up $1500 and buy a real one FOR FUCKS SAKE.

The PKM won't be a wall hanger. An FRT will get made for it 100%. It's just unlikely it'll get imported as is (when the fuck was the last time the ATF approved a belt fed for import?) Meaning they'll have to be assembled here with bent flats by Zastava
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>>64829881
Wait what people are paying $900 for someone else to make a nylaug for them? I have one and it is kind of le good actually, but it's still a janky homemade chop job held together with tiny allthreads. I guess that explains where all the parts kits went.
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>>64830526
Jesus Christ you guys weren't kidding.
https://www.titusarms.com/product/titus-arms-nylaug-aug-clone/

That's fucking insane. Nylaug was cool when the parts kits were $150 and it was "we have aug at home" for about $350 total.
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>>64830526
Well how else are you gonna get a nylaug? You gonna make one? With what kits? This faggot is the reason why kits are 100% unobtanium now. I have literally no idea who the fuck is buying these things either. Anyone interested enough in a nylaug likely wants to make it themselves.
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>>64830874
I wouldn't now, for that price may as well save a bit more and get a real goddamn aug. All of the dingle dongle, none of the jank.
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>>64831116
Augs are illegal to buy in my state. The only way to get one is to make a nylaug. But that shit's out the window now because the kit supply is gone.
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>>64831156
Sorry to hear that man. This dude is a faggot for buying all the kits to try and sell as complete firearms, that completely ruins the point. I was lucky enough to find out about the project and make one when the kits were everywhere and super cheap.
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>>64795287
>ye olde great great great great grandpa weapons
>barely anything new
>anything new is just another face-lift of an old design with a new $1200+ sticker slapped on
>overpriced optics becoming even more overpriced
it was a terrible shotshow, at least manufacturers didn't even pretend with as many vaporware products this year.
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>>64820699
>$22,000 from L3Harris
>$16,000 from Bubba's Pissin' Hot Hand Loads hammered together by an authentic alcoholic chimpanzee from L3's blems.
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>>64831156
Get another bullpup, move, or suffer and or part by part it, you can still find the Malay stocks popping up. You can also get your hand on oldgen A3/A3M1 NATO stocks without the BHO now as Steyr is offering the BHO model for upgrade, there's certain shit you gotta shift fire on though.
Or you could just move, or buy an AUG out of state anyway and shoot on your own land like god intended you to.

>>64830526
>>64830582
>>64830874
Buy a real AUG guys, don't waste your time on this horseshit.
>>64831164
100% and he couldn't even be assed to print a metal reciever.
On top of that you aren't getting FRT compatibility, just walk away from this horseshit, save up for a Steyr, hell finance a Steyr with a credit card or the predatory interest from Credova for all I care
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>>64830526
>>64830582
>>64830874
>>64831116
>>64831156
Steyr isn't HK with retarded pricing, $1500 is more than reasonable and doable
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>>64830526
>has the ability to print recievers held together by hipe and bolts
>Won't print literally everything else that's plastic on the AUG - like Stock and trigger packs - has to rape parts kits and sell you a NylAug
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>>64832754
He is printing the trigger packs actually. These $900 guns come with a chopped up AR-15 trigger in a printed housing that someone on the project made for people who wanted to save their real select fire trigger packs for a rainy day. I'm sure the reason this guy is doing it that way is so he can resell the packs separately on gunbroker though lmao.
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>>64832393
Yeah I'm deeply disappointed despite expecting to be disappointed. Like, I somehow still didn't expect to be AS disappointed as I was. Reminds me of seeing other trade shows go to shit where everybody was just there to drink and party and "network" and all the actual interesting folks got pushed out by slick marketers and "influencers" etc. Maybe just part of the cycle of this stuff, if it gets popular enough it attracts people who start to eat away at what got it popular in the first place. Even so this industry could use some serious disruption.
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>>64833929
>me following shot show this year
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It has been 19 years now since the Sig P250 was released, 12 years since the P320 brought the modular frame concept into mainstream attention, and still not one company has released a gun or grip frame with a paddle mag release. Not one company has offered a smooth dust cover frame for those who don't need the rail. Most manufacturers don't even offer anything other than the most generic small/medium/large when the whole finger grooves/no finger grooves conversation could have been easily ended with both. I had so much hope for modular pistol frames and thought we would be in a golden age of grip customization by now, but it peaked with wood grips on a metal frame.
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>>64835536
your concept doesn't sound good for shareholder value anon. you clearly are not management material.
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>>64835536
If most handguns still had machined metal frames those options would be pretty easy to offer, but with plastic frames the cost of the different molds is prohibitive. Different frame sizes are the most practical options to provide by far. Almost nobody would buy a paddle release or no rail frame. And what if you wanted both features, do they need to make ANOTHER mold for that? Impractical.
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>>64798610
I just want the K1A1 with collapsible stock
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>>64835612
>And what if you wanted both features, do they need to make ANOTHER mold for that?
That wouldn't happen because paddle magazine enthusiasts are elite operators and would always choose the rail option. My hope was that grip manufacturers like Hogue would have started building grip frames and we could get a ton of options just like I can scroll through miles of normal grip offerings of various materials, textures, finishes, colors, and shapes. I get that under 20 years is a short time to gear up that level of production, but nobody even seems interested in starting it.
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>>64835774
I don't care if it's a fraction the cost, that BRN180 kit is fucking stupid and I can't imagine why someone would want it. I'd unironically rather have an airsoft clone, at least that would look the part.
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>>64835834
it's fun thobeit
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>>64808131
>Actual SD turk MP5 imported by Century
Didn't someone start making SDs on import MP5s between last and this shot show? Like, non-NFA AND NFA versions? And why Century specifically?
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>>64814684
Oh also PSA got the Garand TDP through that purchase. Because that will definitely happen when they don't want to bring back any of H&R's revolvers (see: Sportsman/999) or even the fucking HANDI-RIFLE, which is little more than a break action shotgun with swappable barrels for rifle rounds (IIRC because supposedly originally, barrels had to be fitted to each rifle). Could compete with the Contender/Encore (two makers, one tiny) and that weird ass raptor head grip break action "pistol" that I forget the name of. Newer, IIRC in 300. Looks like a break action shotgun. Pretty easy market to disrupt, not sure how many want packable multi-caliber rifles though.
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Test
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>>64835834
I feel like if they just tossed the BRN-180's MLOK handguard for their own handguard and "body" combo, they could get soo much closer looks wise
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>>64817264
NDS was rolling AK recievers, look at how much their AK line exploded from shitty PSAK GF 1/2 to now having krinks and the entire century AK lineup after acquiring NDS.
If anyyhing haven't taken full advantage of their H&R acquisitions, the Handi rifle, the pardner the many revolvers and some of the older tooling H&R had to have somewhere (like the only licensed HK tooling given directly to an American firm for Nam era early HK33's used by SEAL's/SF)
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>>64838196
I called out the Century for the AP5SD specifically which is faux SD barrel shroud faggotry without a ported barrel. I'm not aware of any factory SDs with ported barrels besides the pig disgusting PTR.
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>>64839086
It's a three hour swap at home with an RCM SD barrel, don't be a bitch

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