Ruger LCP

Hi-Point. they're banned in my state.

>>64802945
I'm surprised the heritage rough rider isn't used in that many crimes. You can get one through private sale for like $80 if you're lucky.

>>64802979
unc put away dat .22 they have switches out here now

Basically all subcompact pocket guns. Ruger lcp. SW bodyguard, keltec stuff

SCCY still making crap

Bersa Thunder

Hi-point, Kel-tec and sccy for sure probaly any cheap turk pistol to.

>>64802979
>heritage rough rider
I'm convinced these only sell due to price and the low impulse control of a buyer. Shittiest guns ITT. Even Phoenix arms made better stuff.

>>64802945
Pretty much all the SCCY and Diamondback lineup.

>>64803101
this, fine throwaway, works adequately with ball ammo

>>64803122
I bought the one with the comically long barrel and always get a laugh at the range. With .22WMR it's actually much more accurate than I anticipated, so I use it as a warm-up before I get my actual revolvers out.

>>64802945
Charter Arms is still around. Rock Island revolvers are dirt cheap too

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>>64803180
>Charter Arms
I have one from the 70s/80s era.

>>64803180
I want a rock island snub nose just to fill my noire detective fantasy.

>>64803194
Get the eaa windicator, 6 rds and 357 safe. Still cheep

>>64802945
Glocks were #1 on all the lists of "saturday night specials" that the governments wanted to ban. They're cheaply made of plastic so they don't show up on xray machines.

>>64803096
Back when I considered buying one of these, not knowing how to pronounce it, I decided "sucky" was an appropriate pronunciation based on how cheap it felt.

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>>64803096
Not anymore. Thry folded last year.
They're making guns for heaven's ghetto pawnshops now...

>>64803213
good b8

>>64802945
30-40 years ago was the Ring-of-Fire era, not the Saturday Night Special era. Those guns still exist as Hi-Points, mechanically they're barely distinguishable from any of the old Raven Bryco Jimenez JA Jennings Lorcin Sundance zinc trash. Phoenix Arms was the last direct descendant but they're finally gone. The Saturday Night Special era was 50-100 years ago, with cheap low-quality import revolvers and simple blowbacks prior to 1968, especially from Germany and Italy. The modern equivalent would be Turkish shotguns. Can walk into any pawn shop and find a dirt-cheap Panzer, GForce, TR, EAA, MAC, ATI, JTS, Retay, Silver Eagle, Century Arms, Omega, Blue Line Solutions, Hatsan, Four Peaks, SDS, there is an endless stream of cheap Turkish imports and nothing more over-represented than the $100-$200 pumps and $200-$300 semi-auto shotguns.

>>64803213
>Sonny I remember when the Krauts first made them fancy porcelain guns, don't show up on an airport scanner and they cost more than you make in a month. Damn shame they didn't ban them then.

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>>64802945
Don't they still make one of those Ring Of Fire pistols in .380 or so? Bryco or Lorcin or something.

>>64802979
They're cheap, and actually decent for what they are, but if a hoodrat is gonna go for a .22 then it's gonna be a little pocket pistol, it's not worth it for something that's a full sized handgun like that.

>>64802946
>>64803091
Has to be WAY cheaper than those, doesn't really count.
Kel-Tec P32 could be argued to be one, as it actually is pretty cheap, but I feel that it's kind of too good to count (short-recoil when they could have made it blowback is way too nice for a Saturday Night Special).

>>64803096
>>64803126
SCCY's and Diamondbacks are really cheap and really shitty, that's true.

>>64803101
Kinda.

>>64803635
Lol, probably about time.

>>64803723
>Those guns still exist as Hi-Points, mechanically they're barely distinguishable from any of the old Raven Bryco Jimenez JA Jennings Lorcin Sundance zinc trash
Basically, though they are much more smartly built, so you don't get the safety tripping the sear, or the gun just breaking because the zinc slide isn't reinforced with steel plates.

>>64804068
I've always wanted to see the claimed steel reinforcement in a Hi-Point slide. Never seen someone melt one down for it or anything. I ought to try that if I find a cheap C9 slide some time.

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>>64804049
Nope, the last one croaked recently.
Cobra enterprises.
Kind of hard to believe it's all over, isn't it?
The Cobra Denali and it's polymer frame is probably the last revision on that old raven we'll see unless someone's sitting on tooling and one day decides the world needs more crappy zinc guns

>>64807559
Phoenix was the last, died last year, Cobra died 5 years ago. Phoenix was the last OG, they were owned by the Jennings family that started it all.

>>64807683
Shit you're right.
I was going to say Phoenix but my wires got crossed because some company bought the tooling (which was previously used by Davis) to their derringer line and briefly restarted production under the name "Old West".

>>64803723
I've heard Hi-Points are a lot more reliable than people give them credit for (their handguns and factory mags, that is). Not that it's anywhere close to being a glowing endorsement.

>>64803122
A lot of people buy them. A lot of old people buy them as well. They're great for a granny and they have the safety. If you're wondering who the market is for these things it's pretty much everyone. I have one that's cracked and split in the wood handle and I taped it back together. This thing's been working for about 10 years now shooting at critters in the backyard and whatever else I want to shoot. I've never cleaned it.

>>64807559
>>64807683
>>64807806
Wonder if it's truly the end of that old style of pistol?
The Hi-Point is related, but it's significantly refined as a weapon and product. It would be interesting to see if Hi-Point would ever do pocket pistols, maybe do a small one in .32, so almost like the old Ring Of Fire guns, only not-shitty.

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>>64808447
They are. The people behind it basically decided that they should make something like those Ring Of Fire guns, but instead of making it really shitty and sketchy, they'd make it ok. They are clunky, awkward, ugly, heavy, have poor ergos and triggers, and kinda weird recoil, BUT, they function quite reliably, they are safe, they are hard to break, and they are actually pretty accurate (fixed barrels always are), along with Hi-Point being willing to fix just about anything.

Basically:
>what if we did inexpensive autos using zinc alloy
>like Ring Of Fire pistols
>but instead of in little mousegun calibers, we made them in like 9mm and .45
>and we tried to make them not fragile and shitty
>and so that the safety works
>and so the slide doesn't break
>and so the magazine could actually be fully loaded
>and we did actual QC
>and we gave people a good warranty

It's basically if those old pistols were made in an honest way. This also includes a few 'forensic features' due to the inevitability of inexpensive firearms:
>less common left-hand twist rifling with less common numbers of lands and grooves (7 for the .45, for instance)
>firing pin doubles as the ejector, and is also off-center, thus the dimple in the primer also is
>the way the breech face is manufactured means there's always this one circular toolmark on it, which will always leave its distinct outline on the case head
Basically ensuring that if a bullet or/and casing is recovered on a crime scene, forensics will be able to tell right away that the weapon in question is most likely a Hi-Point model that they're looking for. It also has its serials stamped twice, once on the outside, and then again somewhere hidden inside the gun, so you could only truly eradicate the serials by destroying the pistol.

The original Ring Of Fire pistols did not have any such effort to them, and there were a lot of VERY shady things with those people and their companies.

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>>64803723
>mechanically they're barely distinguishable
Really?
How much of that is just down to being single stack straight blowbacks that make significant use of zamak?
Because proto-hipoint starting with 9mm straight out the gate with 9mm then quickly getting out a .45 and .40 from their partner companies when pretty much ever rendition of the 9mm classic ring of fire gun is sketchy at best to outright unsafe to fire seems odd.
Not trying to call you out I'm genuinely curious to learn more about these shitty guns

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>>64808708
Yay I get to do the autism:
In 1968, George Jennings was informed that he'd no longer be able to buy $10 Italian shitimports anymore, and he were mad. So he walked into a pawn shop and picked through the $4 used imports, then brought home the one with the fewest parts: a Menz Liliput. (not a Schreckschuss/blank firing one) The Liliput is a small cheapened derivative of the Walther Model 1. The lockwork hasn't seen any significant change since Walther came up with it in 1910. The designer, Franz Pfannl, same guy who designed the 2.7mm Kolibri, deliberately revised it to be cheaper to make than other small arms of the time. The only patent relating to the Liliput is for a "cheaper method of manufacturing" relating to how the frames and barrels are made. Then George Jennings cloned it as the Raven MP-25 in 1969/1970 and from there we get all the Ring-of-Fire zinc shitbangers. Cross-compatible parts between the various brands was not uncommon. Raven, Jennings, Bryco, Davis, Lorcin, Sundance, Jimenez, JA, Phoenix, Cobra, Haskell, Iberia, Stallard, Beemiller/HiPoint, all Liliput derivatives that owe their legacy to Walther.

>>64809799
Trying to avoid going too hard here, the real history here is Walther and Menz, there were several other related pistols, there are obvious things taken from later Walthers (like the Model 5 and Model 9) even though Franz originally copied the lockwork of a Model 1, I haven't even mentioned CYKA or Nordflugwerke or the other pistols leading up to the Liliput, there's a lot more to this but the short version is there.

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>>64803096
My buddy got one a while ago and quickly sold it off. Kind of wanted it myself though. If you ask me, budget ghettoblasters have a unique aesthetic.
>>64803101
I’ve heard so many glowing opinions on these that getting one’s high on my list. Pawn shop near me has one for $250

>>64804049
The p-32 is the same price as an LCP 1.

>>64811170
Unless it's new $250 is high for the basic bitch single stack thunder

Seems like a good thread to ask. How much should you pay for an old Rossi snub nose and what warning signs should you look out for in regards to condition?

>>64811170
I was given a Bersa Thunder, and free is just about the right price for them. Worse in every way than my LCP except when I want my half-blind friends to think I have a Walther. AND you can get an LCP cheaper than $250.

>>64802945
To my knowledge Hi-Point is the closest, in that they still make blowback pistols with cast Zamak slides.

Phoenix Arms (Raven) is gone.
Jimenez Arms (Bryco Jennings) is gone.
Cobra Enterprises (Lorcin) is gone.
Most of them went under recently because you can get a wide range of modern 9mm pistols with generous magazine capacity for nearly the same price as their straight blowback .22s, .25s and 380s.
You can buy a SAR B6C for under $200 and that's a polymer framed CZ-75 clone. A shitty one, but still a much better design. Or a Taurus G3. Or a SCCY (which are now gone too). Or an LCP. Or a Kel-Tec. All of those are miles better than the old Lorcin/Bryco/Raven/RGs.

The quality of cheap compact 9mm pistols has simply moved on. If the metric is cheap guns, there are more than ever. If the metric is dogshit cast Zinc blowback 25s then those are pretty much dead now.
>>64802979
That is a fair point. Heritage held on because they still have a niche as dirt cheap plinkers and their low price point means that the absolute lowest rank of criminals do use them sometimes. The limiting factor is.
>Single action.
>Glacially slow gate loader.
>22LR, MAYBE .22 Mag
>Most are too large to conceal.
A gun is a gun, but even the dumbest hood rat would be looking to upgrade an RR at the earliest opportunity. After all Tyrone has a P80 with a giggle switch so what Timmy gonna do with a single action .22?
>>64808447
They are. Sort of like what
>>64808698
says they approached the SNS design scientifically to make the best shitty gun possible and they actually have a good reputation for what it is.
>>64816082
Follow the revolver checkout procedure. Old Rossis can be surprisingly decent, but I would expect to pay $200-300 at most.

>>64803182
Bad ass gat.

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>>64808698
The sketchiness of the old Ring Of Fire people can't be understated. Aside from the one guy who was convicted for CP, those factories would hire felons and shit, who weren't always sober at work, and some would indeed steal guns from production lines to sell to other criminals.
Together with the dubious safety of the products in question, those companies really made for some of the worst optics which the industry could possibly have back in their heydays, and they did more harm to society than what was acceptable.

Hi-Point reinventing all of this as a more legit and honest product is probably what slowly killed those companies over time. They weren't just a better product, they fully recognized that inevitability of really inexpensive weapons and took enough responsibility to help mitigate some of that damage.

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>>64816082
Check the model and serial number because some old Rossis had recalls

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>>64816967
Y'all sure love glazing Deeb with made-up history, no need for that. The Maverick was just a copy a ring-of-fire trash gun, with a heavier slide. That's it, there's no great big science or tons of thought or effort behind it. They made the slides as fat and heavy as they actually should be instead of focusing on aesthetics, so your big fat ugly Stallard JS9 would easily outlast a shiny nickel-plated Jennings Nine or Lorcin L9. They didn't even start with the steel reinforced slide or the polymer frame, they were all-Zamak slides on aluminum frames originally just like most of their competitors. People talk about how "good" Hi-Points are and don't realize how bad they really were, those early Maverick/Stallard/Haskell guns were hot fucking garbage and the only thing they had over other zinc trash of the time was weight. The Stallard JS-9 was a 40oz gun competing with the 30oz guns from Jennings/Bryco/Lorcin/Jimenez, and switching to a polymer frame brought it down to the same 30oz as their competitors despite the slide weighing nearly double that of a Lorcin L9 or Jennings Nine slide.

>>64817044
>Hi-Point wasn't good before it was actually Hi-Point
Ok.

>>64817059
They were and still are trash, nothing has changed, they're just the last one left on the shelf.

>>64817061
Nothing has changed, except for the steel plates and polymer frames you talked about?

>>64817075
Steel reinforcement in the slide, polymer frame, mag disconnect safety, there might've been one other safety thing I'm forgetting but I might just be mixed up with the mag disconnect safety. I'm still mad that I've never seen the steel reinforcement, never seen it described in drawings and never seen someone extract it from the slide. I've even seen folks melt Hi-Point slides, but any steel just ends up with the slag and discarded. I love shit guns, cheap Saturday Night Specials and Ring-of-Fire finger-removers, but damn it's hard not to cringe when retards share their completely baseless fantasies like:
>Hi-Point reinventing all of this as a more legit and honest product is probably what slowly killed those companies over time. They weren't just a better product, they fully recognized that inevitability of really inexpensive weapons and took enough responsibility to help mitigate some of that damage.

>>64817117
That's true though, Deel worked with law enforcement and shit, the pistols having all those forensic tells are a deliberate change.

>>64817247
That's true, in 1994 they added shit to make their guns more easily traceable. This is because it was 1994 and they wanted to stay in business, not because of altruism.

>>64817280
You don't think it can be both?

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>>64816967
Interestingly, Cobra specifically seemed to be dreaming of greater things. They had a few original guns that weren't just yet another take onnthe raven.
Well original is a stretch but they were bootlegging new things.
Pic related, the patriot 45.
It's a intratec CAT/Sardius SD clone that sometimes gets misattributed as a simplified glockoff

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>>64817317
The patriot 9 here is a kel tec clone afaik

>>64817317
Against my better judgement I am on the lookout for one of those for my SNS collection. Last CAT-9 I spotted the seller actually wanted $1500 because he thought it was the same as a TEC-9. Mofo that thing has a single groove down the barrel to meet the minimum legal definition of having rifling, I'm not paying more than a hundred bucks. The Cobra version probably has regular rifling, which is less interesting but probably for the best.

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>>64817353
Even a revolver, how about that.

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>>64817371
If you want the full box set of these action figure glock looking things keep an eye out for the original, sardius/sirkis SD9.
No idea how they stack up against each other in the quality/existence of rifling department.

>>64817404
>George Kellgren coke fueled fever dream
>Made in Israel
I am interested, yes

>>64803200
I got a Windicator on a whim and it's a ton of fun to shoot. Surprisingly accurate too. I was able to clean up a dueling tree with it at 25 yards from double action on my first try.

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>>64817317
Well it turns out I was wrong. They bought the line from Republic arms when they went bust.
The same story with the kel tecs and talon.
I geyss I shouldn't be surprised given they bought their derringer and the original ring of fire tooling from Davis.

Special thanks to the violence policy center for preserving this old ad and other information.
They've been useful when researching various obscure SnSes before kek

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>>64817512
Rather unflatteringly, this is the first image that comes up when you search for the talon industries gun that would later become the patriot 9.

No idea who they bought the revolver from. Perhaps that was actually cooked up by them, along with the denali polymer framed ravenmorphs

>>64803101
This boomer was trying to sell his Thunder at gun show I went to. He had printed out the Wikipedia article for the gun as well as a bunch of Arfcom posts talking about how good it was to try to convince someone to buy it. He cornered me and started angrily thumbing through screenshots when I told him "Yeah I guess it's alright for a cheap handgun."

>>64807559
This looks great for when you need to shoot at someone from point blank range

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>>64817117
I just checked the hipoint slides I had with a strong magnet and the steel reinforcement is just the breech face and firing pin channel, in the haskell just the breech face. The ones I have are on the older side, .45 and .40 so it's not definitive that a new 9mm yeet cannon won't have steel plates in the sides, but I bet they won't.

>>64817044
>"The only difference was Hi-Points were heavier."
Anon, they were also more reliable; you can shoot a full mag off a Hi-Point, but you are unlikely to do so from its ring of fire competitors.

anyone curious about how many rounds of .22 mag will cut the topstrap of a heritage rough rider? I've fired at least maybe 150 to 200 rds of .22mag and at least 500 of .22lr standard velocity through it and definitely have at least a .030 thou ridge behind the forcing cone? do you guys think you could shoot one of these things to death like the Ruger Blackhawk .357 maximums?

>>64803122
its a gun and its less than 100 bucks.

its my go-to for training girls how to shoot since its single action and has a safety

>>64802945
I think the dynamics have changed too much. Hi-Points are still a thing but the ring of fire is largely dismantled. Meanwhile the cheapest shittiest gun I can think of that I might realistically murder someone with is a S&W Sigma gen 2 and that's like $300 for a gun that's still OK. $400 gets you into something like an APX or XD or one of CZ's cheaper options.

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>>64819157
The gca changed the legal environment enough to make saturday night specials a thing of the past, one of its objectives. The closest thing I can think of in the modern era are 3d printed burners like a gambino, but gun printers are generally nerds with enough impulse control to not shoot people in bar fights.

>>64816926
It survived a total-loss house fire, without a safe, it's lucky.

>>64819157
>>64819352
Do you niggers exist in another dimension?
Because I live in a west coast shithole with God awful CoL and for 200 flat you can still get some cheap ass Ruger and a hi point or heritage revolver for cheaper.

>>64819601
Those aren't pocket guns.

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>>64819856
The LCP is by definition a pocket gun.
As is the ec9s.
Both are under $250 all damn day unless your local Ruger man fuckin hates you

>>64819601
A raven 25 was $12 new in the 70s, $99 in today's dollars, imports were cheaper. You can still get a gun relatively cheaply if you hunt around but background checks coupled with import restrictions did eventually slow the flow of guns to poor people.

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>>64820802
>$99 in today's dollars

>>64819359
Is the heat treatment still okay?

>>64818071
That's a big if you got one with a good magazine. A lot of them jam on a full mag untill they're broken in. Some never fucking work.
Thankfully hi point is more than happy to give you free new ones through the warranty system

>>64822782
The heat treatment getting fucked up by a house fire isn't a concern if it was made of cheese-grade Chinesium ally that was never heat treated in the first place. Checkmate Atheists.

>>64819352

Unfortunately a lot of these nerds figured out you can churn 3d printed shit out for sale to the lowest rung of street crooks and make a shitload of drug money in the process. Poly80s and the like are ridiculously common, and the all-poly single shot printed throwaways are starting to get some use with the absolute scum tier.

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>>64820527
LCP II is getting legacy LCP cheap no. I wonder how long the original is for this world.
Ec9 and the whole LC9 family is dead though, replaced by something called the max-9.
Surprised by how expensive the security 9 still is given what it replaces, I wonder if Taurus muscled them out there

>>64825783
I want an LCP32

>>64820527
Sexo

>>64826824
I feel like I remember .32 conversion barrels existing also the Beretta boku no pico but nothing comes up in a search.
Though really you'd want something like a direct Ruger take on the p32.

>>64803122
I like my rough riders. I dont care how shit they are because they always shoot and for a 22 thats all I want.

>>64828434
It's a shame they lost the lifetime warranty when Taurus discontinued them throughout their brands. I don't think I'd buy one over a wrangler at this point

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>>64820802
How many new production .25 acp guns are left in the American market?
The PSA, theoretically the .25 version of the bobcat. Is taurus still selling their .25?

>>64829980

Seecamp just introduced a .25 model.

>>64830000
Well I'll be.
I forgot they were still in business, much less announcing a new gun.
Well a reintroduction of an old gun but still neat

>>64829980
Seecamp is bringing the LWS-25 back after a 40 year absence, $545. They're doing it solely because they couldn't make it work in 22LR, shameful. The PSA-25 starts at $1250, the Guardian 25 is discontinued, Phoenix Arms is dead, the 25ACP Bobcat was quietly phased out. That's about it.

>>64830017
there is that one TURBO BOOMER AUTISM SUPER BOOMER MEGA BOOMER company that is OBSESSED with that one old .25 design and sells new ones for like $4,000

anyone know who I'm talking about? their website is a hoot

>>64830023
ah here we go https://www.precisionsmallarms.com/psa-25-pistols-new-production/new-production-psa-25-pistols/GRAND-EXHIBITION-SERIES-PISTOLS/thiery-duchet-matched-pair-engraved-hot-blue

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>>64830017
I wonder if you could make a modern cleansheet .25 that's appreciably smaller or lighter than a p32?
I know even in the best case it won't be THAT appreciably so but I still wonder

>>64830024
Yes, that's the PSA-25, starts at $1250.

>>64830042
Appreciably smaller means ergonomic absurdity. Someone not expecting sales should do it anyway.

>>64830067
>ergonomic absurdity
Maybe for you, pal but have you ever considered the untapped midget market?

>>64830042

Kek-tec could do like their top loading poly pistols and make something absurdly tiny, especially if they shave mag capacity to 5 rounds or less. Imagine something the size of an NAA Mini but with a slightly longer grip and significantly thinner.

>>64830087
I know it's not exactly a revolutionary video around here but I'd really like to see a new caliber in the .25-.32 ACP class that's not trying to be significantly higher pressure but with modern cartridge design. Something that can fit in existing mouse guns.
A lot of people perceived .30 super carry like this when for whatever reason it was service pistol class, therefore stuck competing with 9mm.

As I see it this is what Kelgren is going for with the PR-57 given so much oomph is lost from that short barrel. The high pressure of 5.7 is wasted a bit. But the capacity is what's being chased here.
So the length and a great deal of the pressure is only a hindrance

>>64803182
That thing is Fallout af.
10/10.

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>>64831381
Idk if this is still a thing, they also made .25 NAA which is .32 auto necked down to .25.

>>64831724
Nah it's ded along with the .380 neckled down to .32 they made.
I guess .25 NAA does most of what I'm asking for but there's no magazine capacity gainz over even the .380 guardian despite it being fully rimless. Not sure if this is on NAA or inherent to the cartridge.

I have to admire the absolute brass balls a tiny operation NAA had to release TWO new and very niche handgun calibers like that. Shame neither took off.

>>64803182
I've always wanted one of those.

>>64808447
>>64808698
>>64808688
>>64808688
I own a C9 and YC9 and love both. You gotta understand the Hi Point guns are basically an engineering project done by a metal fabrication company that said "How cheaply can a barebones firearm be made in America, without it actually turning into a Saturday night special, so it doesn't break or blow up but a 19 year old pizza delivery worker can still afford it?"
The answer was the C9 and it does actually run IF you keep it clean and safe and oiled and rust free. The YC9 was a upgrade with actual features. If you look at Hi Point as a metal fabrication company and not a Firearms creator then you'll start to understand. For what it is, the C9 achieved perfect fitment into its niche. I unironically shill for Hi Point because of this.

>>64830087
A single stack in that form factor could have a grip only ~.5'' wide. Kind of an interesting thought. Sounds unpleasant to shoot, but exceptionally concealable.

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>>64820527
SSSEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXOOOOOOOOO

>>64827301
>>64832523
That's a boy

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>>64832588
dont care

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>>64832933
Don't be rude.

>>64833227
Fuck off, cunt.

>>64832441
I like how Hi-Point orders metal pipe as the stock for their barrels.

>>64834042
It works if you use a good seamless steel pipe. You can even DIY rifle some of that at home and make a decent barrel.

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>>64804049
>>64803126
What is Diamondback's quality like these days? They seem to be aiming upmarket with a new revolver.
Hardly any emphasis on the website towards their ghetto blasters.

>cocoa, fl
Are they like SCCY and formed by renegade kel tec engineers

>>64834909
Diamondback makes cheap trash guns, but they definitely have the capacity to do more. Big company, lots of branches, plenty of money. I like a lot of their guns, I have a pair of DB380s, but they've all always been cheap shit. The SDRs are just cheapened clones of the Kimber K6, and they run 25%-50% less for their equivalent models. Expect cosmetic flaws that the factory gives zero shits about and your warranty won't touch. On the other hand, Kimber has fucking terrible QC and their warranty department consists of one guy with a roll of "seems fine to me" stickers. Diamondback will at least get your gun running and not tell you to go fuck yourself, but they will also tell you to ignore the new scratches from the Harbor Freight vise they had it in. I'd probably choose the SDR over a K6, but I wouldn't take either over the SP101 which costs similar to the SDR, significantly less than the K6, and has better fit, finish, overall quality, and warranty than either the Diamondback or the Kimber.

>>64818028
Hipoints are dummy thicc and are low pressure chambered tho. Zamak ain't nice but unless you create an actual grenade loading it should keep you safe

>>64835112
>low pressure chambered tho
They're all +P rated

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>>64835097
I'm actually more interested in their high standard double 9 clone and possibly their bepis looking semiautomatics.
Just look at these dudes

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>>64835752
The DB380 and DB9 are cute and fun, but they're hot garbage, can't compete with Kel-Tec fit & finish or materials quality. The AM2 is no better, maybe if it was $200. Arguably better than the FS9 it replaced. Expect burs, unbroken edges, flashing, chips, scuffs, they look lightly used when they're fresh out of the box.

>>64835799
Are the little ones kel tec clones?
What about the AM2?
Is it a glockoff?
I really don't expect anything when it comes to quality, I'd only buy one if it was a screaming deal on a new gun because I have a feeling I may need to use that lifetime warranty.
Still nice to see a cheap shit company that still has a lifetime warranty after Taurus went 1 year.
Fuck that lol

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>>64835812
The little ones are bespoke, their own thing, vaguely Glock-like but not Glock clones. Very simple. The AM2 is a shit-tier Glock clone, nothing special there.

>>64835446
Are they? The polymers ones are but I'm not sure the zinc/nickel alloy ones were.

>>64835752
There was a guy that was obsessed with the db380 until he bought a Kahr .380.

https://www.youtube.com/@spnfirearms/videos

>>64835871
The early Hi-Points were Aluminum frames, later polymer. The slides are and have always been Zamak.

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>>64835821
Huh. Wonder if there's sardius/intratec CAT DNA in there.
I wish I could find an exploded parts diagram to cross reference.
Ghetto blaster genealogy has me spellbound

>>64836133
I mean, they're really not similar in any way at all aside from the fact that they're striker fired. There are no similarities in their design or functionality, they're really very different. Google around for parts kits if you can't find diagrams for things, or look for patents.

>>64836168
You're right. I read that they were both striker DAO, the simplified glock comparisons and got buck fever.

>>64836133
As an avid lover of shitbangers I'll tell you I've never found anything that actually shares anything with the Sirkis/Sardius guns. Like, no derivatives, only cheap copies. At different times while looking into various guns I've wondered if there was a connection and there never is. It's just a cheap shit straight-blowback sheet-metal shit gun from Israel that became a cheap shit plastic gun with a cast-steel slide, there was never anything novel about it.

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>>64836190
>no derivatives, only cheap copies
I'm not sure what you mean here. I'd consider even something like a sedco a raven derivative even if it's the textbook definition of a cheap copy.
As far as I know, the Sirkis/sardius influenced/was copied by intratec and then that was copied/built on by the cobra patriot 45.

>>64802945
no. saturday night specials were measured by their melting temperature. really.

>>64836201
Sirkis designed both the CAT-9 and Patriot-45. The CAT-9 was just his previous Sardius slightly modified for Intratec's manufacturing. The Patriot-45 is further removed, not a Sardius at all, it's a scaled-up Kel-Tec derivative with a Sirkis shaped trigger guard and a cast steel slide, I'd actually compare it to a Taurus Millennium PT-145 being a striker-fired Kel-Tec derivative.

>>64836203
How do poly pistols even pass melt point tests? Does the polymer really melt at a higher temperature than zamak?
Seems with the demise of pretty much the entire cast of pot metal snses these laws exist solely to bully hi point and cheap .22 cowboy revolvers.

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>>64836210
Genuinely enlightening, anon.
I always forget taurus as a player in this story through their American division making US specific designs to dodge GCA.
Speaking of which, I remember when these things were screaming cheap online for a while. Wonder how they are?

>>64836223
The TCP is fabulous and I regret selling mine. There are many P3-AT clones but there are only two good ones, the Ruger LCP and Taurus TCP. It's nearly 1:1 a Kel-Tec P3-AT and they didn't fuck it up, it's a great little gun and was at one time a good cheap alternative to the LCP or P3-AT. The spiritual successor is the Spectrum, and I fucking adore the Spectrum but they're garbage and worth absolutely nothing.

>>64836240
Neat! I'll have to remember that. I've been slowly looking more into taurus and bersa guns beyond the ones everyone knows because there's just so many of them and almost nobody is talking about them.
What's wrong with the taurus autism if you don't mind me asking? I only remember the obvious jokes and it being concurrent with the curve.

>>64836260
Genuinely bad. Light strikes, FTF, FTE, bad trigger even for what it is, they're famously bad at being guns. It was a big flop, the first design to come from the All-American team and they fucked it pretty hard.