>>64819512
what blew up?

>>64819512
I think they're tinkering around with details like TVC, control surfaces, etc but probably the overall airframe shape is pretty nailed down and finalized.
I would guess they're gearing up the assembly line for the major fuselage components while optimizing these details with prototypes that have slight variations, but are all reasonably close to the final design.

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The TVC nozzles look so out of place compared with the first prototype

Why are you so butthurt, chink?

>>64819512
Is there even a single photo of the sky in all of China that doesn't look disgusting? I thought it was just Beijing but i keep browsing and seeing photos from all around the place and it's always the grayest, muggiest, shittiest sky color possible. It's worse than Britain. What the hell did they do to the atmosphere.

10 MORE PROTOTYPES!

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>>64819538
>three engines
>tvc nozzles on all of them
let chengdu cook

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>>64819512
>LRIP
I'D LET'er RIP ALL OVER MAVUIKA,
*** HOT COUGAR BIKER WAIFU OF HIT MMORPG FREE TO PLAY GENSHIN IMPACT***
IF U KNO WUT I MEAN!

Implessive

>4th
That's the second one

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Will china ever retrofit all the j20 to have the same ws15 engines?

>>64819538
Are those TVC?

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>>64819512

>>64820813
No, but they at least look like they designed their shape with the entire airframe instead of being attached in the last minute unlike the TVC nozzles

>>64819657
Why would they make a bay door that hinges like that?

>>64819512
What is the estimated range on this thing?

Implessive

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>>64819512

>>64821594
Is there even any data whatsoever on them? Like unladen weight, fueled up, full payload? Thrust to weight ratio on the engines, max altitude, max speed, acceleration, anything whatsoever? Besides whatever the Chinese want to release, of course.

>>64820692
that would cut into the amount of funds they can embezzle, so no.

>>64821786
no numbers, not even of it's exact size, best size estimates put it as being larger than the J-20 from what i've seen.

>>64821786
You'll have to wait until 2030 to get anything real because the PLA hasn't released a lot of info outside Zhuhai or their museums during the last 2 decades.

>>64821802
>>64821808
That just means there's no discussion to be had around this airframe other than
>LOOK AT THIS PLANE
which isn't particularly interesting

>>64821857
I've been saying this from the start. There is nothing that warrants having 2 threads about these prototypes in the catalog at all times.

>>64821857
OSINT is valid but nothing you'll find on current /k/
>the ex-effortposter (threads) that found better websites

>>64821786
PLA doesn't publish anything, they haven't even announced that the program is a thing yet

>>64821857
more interesting than endless AR/glock/Ukraine threads

>>64822336
Ukraine threads get some funny/weird/interesting/awesome stuff now and then. Spiderweb was a very nice operation. Seeing what kind of weird smekalka russias are up to is funny. Glock and AR threads have been discussed to death. There's nothing to discuss about Chinese hardware.

Why is every thread on China immediately bombarded with posts like >>64819551?

>>64820692
Not when they're trying to scale.

>>64821786
>Is there even any data whatsoever on them?
There is, but it's exclusively from China

>>64822405
Because you're a spammin nigger chinkshill

>>64819512
>landing gear down
wait a bit longer

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Is there any validity to the rumours about H-20 being a supersonic bomber (a bigger J-36)?

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>>64821763
Color corrected. The wind seem to have be a slight dihedral angle

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>>64823010
Its not a rumor, it will be a bomber, but I doubt it will be supersonic, there is little benefit for a craft the size of a bomber. It probably wont be just a 'larger' J-36 style plane, and will likely look quite different due to split requirements and a different manufacturer.

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>>64823050
Tu-160 is way bigger and is supersonic. China was about to buy them from Ukraine before they destroyed them when they "self-denuclearised"

>>64823056
That was 32 years ago anon. China, the PLA, and world; nothing is remotely the same as it was then. The operational needs are entirely different.

>>64823056
If it’s stealth it’s not likely to be supersonic, since going supersonic would compromise its stealth. >>64823065 is right. Things are different today. The CCP plans against the USA, which is no slouch on IRST these days. Atmospheric heating is a bitch as supersonic shaping is isn’t as efficient as a subsonic wing, which counts for a lot in the Pacific.

>>64823077
>If it’s stealth it’s not likely to be supersonic, since going supersonic would compromise its stealth.
Then J-36 are not supersonic?

Why the fuck chink have so many prototype? How many aviation companies they have? Sim and wind tunnel are not enough?

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>>64821594
Huge

>>64823088
It’s almost certainly supersonic, but it will light up like a Christmas tree on any IR sensor when flown over mach. Once a stealth aircraft breaks mach it loses a lot of its stealth. On top of that, supersonic shaping is less fuel efficient than subsonic flying wings. The Pacific is so big that very high speed is worth relatively less if it means you get detected, meaning you favor range and stealth. Meaning if they aren’t retarded they build a B-21 at home. However their three engine thing is almost certainly a homeland defense asset meant mainly to operate mostly within their own airspace, where stealth matters less. Meaning the IR and range considerations are with less.
>>64823103
It’s a large plane certainly, but range becomes questionable as a massive amount of internal volume is eaten by inlet channels and engine. Double since those are all in the thickest part of the airframe. On top of that, a three engine plane will burn 50% more fuel than a twin engine plane. This gets worse if it’s supercruises, as the F119 has about 3x the fuel consumption when supercruising as it does under mach

>>64823050
>Its not a rumor, it will be a bomber, but I doubt it will be supersonic, there is little benefit for a craft the size of a bomber. It probably wont be just a 'larger' J-36 style plane, and will likely look quite different due to split requirements and a different manufacturer.

The J-36 layout is designed for supersonic flight. You claim the H-20 will be subsonic, but share the same layout.
That is total nonsense.
If it is subsonic it would look like a B-2 / B-21 with significantly lower wing sweep.

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>>64823149
>The J-36 layout is designed for supersonic flight

>>64823088
If you want to actually understand this, you have to put to rest some often repeated myths and go back to the basic physics.

To the chinese, stealth is largely a negated advantage. It only ever worked against X-band radars, but X-band radars were all everyone had for a long time for complex reasons. Now lower and higher bands (which have disadvantages) are sensor fused with IR and optical and data linked, to negate stealth.
The chinese invested big in this.
Why are they still doing stealth then? Well why not. Nobody else has invested so hard in negating stealth, not even the US.
The aerodynamic downsides a stealth design brought have largely been negated by aerodynamic advancements and advancements in stealth shaping.

In the engineering industry, we have "solvers" software where we feed in a problem, and get a solution generated.
The first generation solvers solved problems in 1 dimension. So first you optimize aero = shit stealth. Then you optimize stealth = shit aero.
Now we have 2nd and 3rd gen multidimensional solvers which integrate multiple optimisations into each other, and shit out a shape which is both aero efficient and stealthy at the same time. And it might even operate on a tight ruleset in terms of manufacturability layered on top of that as well.

Thanks to that stealth becomes a marginal cost increase, a marginal aero penalty, and you might as well do it on top.

The US MIC has pushed the narrative that stealth is incredibly expensive and elusive and only the US has it, but reality is the math was invented by a russian in the 1960s, and nowadays you can download open source stealth solver software from github and run it on your laptop since computers got millions of times faster then when they did the F-117.

t. chink shill
+15 social credit score
tiananmen square
winnie the poo
gutter oil
ws-10c engine
implessive
coast guard cutter ram video
temu J-20 powerfister dragon

>>64823145
The J-36 was build to have 2000-3000km range reach from the chinese coast line, covering 1st and 2nd island chains.
Its primary mission is to hunt down and kill high value assets like tankers and awacs with ultra long range PL-21 air-to-air missiles.
It has to be fast to be able to surprise these assets, with speed, even when detected.
It needs to be big to have the unrefuelled range to dash out and do that mission.
The secondary mission is probably strikes against high-value targets, launching hypersonic glide vehicle tipped cruise missiles against ships or ground installations on small islands.
It cannot carry a huge load, so it will only be used to fill gaps other platforms leave, which it can due to its high speed and range.

The chinese do not consider a plane like the B-2 or B-21 to be useful at all in that area, since it is too slow and too vunerable.
In general the chinese planning does not sacrifice stealth, but it does not rely on it too hard, they do not see it as be-all-end-all but one advantage which is increasingly being countered, and they're re-focussing on kinetics, i.e. speed and altitude.

Your narrative makes sense from a US perspective, most US planes these days are effectively limited to subsonic flight, since they lack the fuel to really utilize supersonic speeds for long, and in the case of an F-18 carrying AIM-174, lack the thrust to go supersonic due to the insane drag these weapons create on the canted pylons.

>>64823234
>>64823244
I wonder why UHF radars didn't work to track a 737 over Taiwan then, they didn't work in Syria, Pakistan, Iran, Venezuela?
All you're saying is that stealth shaping isn't hard physics and that Chinese speed is hard physics. Lay off the propaganda and go read a book on radar.

>>64823234
>To the chinese, stealth is largely a negated advantage.
it isn't actually, like, not at all, all the nonsense you spouted about X-bands is complete horseshit.
good that they've chosen to give in to this delusion, that will work in our favour when they get raped by our stealth aircraft.
>t-the chinese already have stealth
>b-but also s-stealth is useless against them
oh my god you guys are hilarious
>B-BUT LOOK I PRE-EMPTED YOU CALLING ME A CHINKSHILL!
you're still a chinkshill, a really bad one.

>>64823244
you wrote all that garbage for no reason lmao, nobody gives a shit about your delusions regarding stealth, you don't actually understand how it works.

>>64823244
China revealed the JY-26 in 2014, claimed to negate stealth. The B-21 contract was awarded in 2015. China then revealed the JY-27 and YLC-8B in 2016, with rumours and claims preceding these systems by years. The B-21 was made with digital twins and was only a year into development. The US had no problem cancelling the XB-70 and B-58 when they were deemed obsolete by new threats.
Do a little thinking for yourself and try and figure out what this means.

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>>64819512
Video

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>>64823025
Slight dihedral will create a tendency to return to level flight. Desirable characteristic for a long range strike aircraft.

>>64824274
Also very useful for a plane that doesn't have vertical control surfaces

nobody gives a fuck chinkshill stop samefagging

>>64824360
God shut the fuck up just shut the fuck up

>>64823050
That pic was a meme edited that was posted in a chinese forum, it's irrelevant.

>>64823097
F-16 had 10 prototype planes built.

>>64819512
>gee timmy why did they get Four prototypes before having the actual final development plane?
>because the chinese are retarded

>>64823097
seems like they discovered design flaws with the originals, as this has not insignificant changes.

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>>64819512
>>64819538
>>64819703
>>64820922
>>64823025
>>64823589
imagine how embarrassing it must be to be Chang flying his copy-of-a-copy-of-a-copy of a jet the US designed in the 90's (and didnt even want) but decided to put into production anyway just to show Chang how backward and inferior his jet was that doesnt even have monocrystal turbine blades and cant into iron balls for stealth

its honestly fucking beyond pathetic how far behind China and Russia are from the US.
>hypersanic missiles?
we had those in the 60s and correctly determined them to be fucking garbage and instead went with tonyhawks™ as the most advanced strike missile
>6th gen fighters?
something we made in the 80's designed in the 70's and correctly threw into the trash in favor of the far superior f22 that literally no other country ever matched, so we simply stopped making them because it was boring to make something no one could even come close to

Russia and China are at least 50-100 years behind the US , and its basically pointless for us to even make anything anymore untill they get like 3 decades closer in tech to us....then maybe...MAYBE we will worry then (but still wont, that would leave us 70 years ahead)

>wall of cope

>>64820692
Does it matter?

>>64819512
>We know return to our coverage of this Chinese thing. Still no details. Back to you in the studio.

>>64827231
WS-10 engines were called an interim engine as a cope for the WS-15 taking 40 years to develop, so yes.

>>64827231
Is this supposed to be a serious question?

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>>64823010
Has there ever been a larger technological leap?

>>64823234
If it only works against X-band, why doesn't everyone just start using their S-band and L-band radars to look for them?

>>64827256
No the new meta is how the ws-20 is expected to finish testing before 2030.

>>64827256
And the new ones have WS-15's. What does that have to do with retrofitting the old ones?
What car do you drive? Have you retrofit the manufacturer's latest engine into it?

>>64827284
>Tu-16 is your top-of-the-line in 2026
>replacement is still vaporware
>this is impressive
ffs Chang, even the goddamn Libyans had Tu-22s.

>>64827323
lol

>>64827284
Between a medium bomber that flew in Stalin's lifetime and a 3d render based on nothing? Probably. There's those stone age tribes that build airplanes out of straw.

>>64827329
>"Has there ever been a greater technological leap"
>he thinks this means the H-6 is being represented as an up-to-date technological marvel

Just go back to praising Jesus for everything you have. Your mind isn't capable of functioning on a higher level than that.

>>64827373
What were you referring to then?

>>64827388
Vaporware that is the H-20

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>>64827388
Don't worry your little head about it. Just praise Jesus and listen to some country.

>>64827373
>Doesn't indicated what the leap is between, making his statement a meaningless non-sequitur
>"YOU NO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU NOT SMART LIKE CHINESE"
Why are you like this, chinkshill?

>>64827421
>>64827284
>>64823010

>>64827417
This will totally distract from you losing many face just now.

>>64827429
So the "leap" was between the H-6 and the (non-existent) H-20?

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>>64827373
>>64827417
Good thing chinsects don't go in for any mindless worship, how embarrassing would that be?

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>>64827461
You boomers living in the past, China's nothing like that anym--- nvm.

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>>64827465

>>64827417
Nigga is so pathetic lmao

>>64827481
Why does this pic look off? Like it's merely a drawing.

>>64827481
yes, trump is an embarrassing clown just like xi

>>64827481
>I NO LOSE FACE
>YOU LOSE FACE
Gentlemen, the meltie has begun.

>>64827493
>Chinkshill talking point #36
Excellent choice, sir.

>>64827494
>drops the usual malding terms (sable ratling, face this or that, cargo, etc)
As expected.

>>64827503
>I not malding
>You malding
Uh oh, meltie.

>>64827439
*crickets*

>>64827493
Looks fine to me. They're making enough to replace what they plan to retire.

>>64827493
>changes topic once he's found out
>the topic he changed to doesn't even support his point
row, rmao!
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hanwhas-philly-shipyard-can-build-nuclear-submarine-us-navy-executive-says-2025-12-25/

>>64827538
>Hanwha
There't nothing more american than a gook (as per /k/ wording)
Fuck yeah and mudda

>>64827518
No, you don't understand, anon. If China makes 1000 container ships a year this means they can (and definitely will very shortly, I assure you) make 1000 anti-ballistic missile destroyers a year. Look, here's that graph I always post that from the USN's equivalent of a sales brochure asking congress to give them more money. Also, I'm not chinkshill btw.

>>64827544
stop pretending to be a chink you contrarian loser

>>64827544
>This shipyard in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania doesn't count as American shipbuilding
>Why not?
>Because I don't want it to.

>>64827548
I get you're being sarcastic but I still prefer a source of the full image. It also doesn't help chinkshill's point because there aren't a bunch of people around worshipping said picture of, I assume, is suppose to be the POTUS.

>>64827439
>So the "leap" was between the H-6 and the (non-existent) H-20?

The H-20 may have been quitely cancelled if it is just a subsonic B-2 copy as the chinks now see such aircraft as obsolescent. If you can build something like the JH-36, you can build something like a larger JH-36, which would be more survivable in a high threat environment than a subsonic B-2 or B-21.

>>64827557
Sure nigga, and Toyota is american. LMAO.

>>64827578
Keep drawing focus back to your sad cope, chinkshill. You're not humiliating yourself at all.

>>64827577
Translation: the H-6 will China's most advanced bomber for at least another 15 years.

>>64827557
>Philadelphia
Have you seen how gay Philly is?

.t nyc

>>64827564
>I get you're being sarcastic but I still prefer a source of the full image

If you were a human you would know how to use the inbuilt reverse image search function of the board. But you are a LLM chatbot so you cant. The source is the US government.

>>64827591
Hey, lord fuckwad. Maybe you should've just posted the link instead of being an asshat.

>>64827586
>Translation: the H-6 will China's most advanced bomber for at least another 15 years.

The "H" in JH-36 stands for "bomber" in chink. So no. The chinks are innovating and building faster than America can respond. Europe with its obsolescent military tech does not matter at all. This does not bode well for the rules based world order.

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>>64827564
Don't mind Chinkshill here >>64827591 he's just cranky.
Please note that this chart is talking about gross tonnage, as if destroyers and carriers were empty steel boxes that didn't require systems with no civilian equivalents, that trained crews would be available in unlimited numbers, that an increasing percentage of China's military budget wouldn't go towards maintenance and operating costs as the size of their fleet grew, the opportunity cost of building warships instead of economically productive civilian ships, and a thousand other things. The important thing is Chinese line go up forever which means the USN needs a bigger share of the budget next year.

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>>64827608
>respond
rmao
>China desperately wants at least an idea of what the F-47 looks like so they can model defenses against it or more likely copy the next gen template to make their own, but the the US has been tighter than a nun's ass about everything surrounding this plane. This info would have especially been a quantum leap for them when the NGAD program started in 2014 and chink tech aerospace was still well in infancy, and that still extends to today. Starting in the beginning of 2022 when NGAD was bought to the spotlight as the USAF's next gen fighter with some $5b in contracts being doled out for competitors to work on the engine which made the plane's progress since it's 2019 demonstrator flights very concrete. Interestingly enough 3 years later we get 3-4 cobbled together demonstrators being 'leaked' ie. flown slowly over population centers and parked in open hangars. This is followed by a flood of chinkspam claiming that every single sighting is 'China's 6th gen' saying that they're flying before the NGAD, the NGAD doesn't exist, etc... One thing that chinksects forgot is that burgers don't have a face culture hardwired into their psyche, so this literally means nothing to the government or people actually involved in the program. There is nothing to 'clap back' when the program has been secret from the get go.

>>64827603
>Hey, lord fuckwad. Maybe you should've just posted the link instead of being an asshat.

This is exactly what I meant with you being a LLM. This is a typical LLM fallback response when it can not find a preprogrammed response. A real human would have already found the source by now.

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>>64827608
>The chinks are innovating and building faster than America can respond.
But here on Planet Notgutteroil, we're about to lap the Tu-16 for like the tenth generation in a row.

>>64827625
>>64827634
>inb4 chinkshill repeats the script of saying that it's obsolete and it's divine enlightenment that lead to the delays of the H-20 program
You still haven't addressed >>64823469, loser. Also guess what radar band the E-2 uses?

>>64827628
Nah. I'll just not bother since it's shitflinging between retards.

>>64827189
>make weird falseflag post
>reply to your own falseflag post
embarrassing, chang.

>>64827608
A kneejerk reaction bomber that is worse in all aspects to a b-21 is not "innovating faster"
>not bode well for rules based society
The type of dumb shit you rice fed malnourished commies say is unbelievably satisfying.

>>64827503
just don't make more embarrassing chinkshill threads, they're very ineffective and all you're doing is making yourself look ridiculous.

>>64827675
Chinkshill suffers from some sort of brain injury that prevents him from recognizing patterns.

>>64827675
You didn't say Plwease and thwankyo
Keep seething fatso.

>>64827577
>w-we didn't need it
lol, sorry you couldn't figure out actual stealth, chinkshill.
>>64827608
>t-the chinks a-are innovating faster
then why can't they build an F35 equivalent, an F22 equivalent, a B-2 or B21 equivalent, or even an NGAD equivalent?
considering everything they have built or are planning to build is still not yet capable of true stealth like these platforms are, that's kind of bad for china.

seems to me like they're not innovating at all, just copying what has already been built, and they've hit a brick wall now that there's nothing left to steal and they need advanced manufacturing techniques that you can't just steal blueprints for in order to actually match the capabilities of the latest US aircraft like the F35 and NGAD.

seems to me your cope is at an end, and you've once again humiliated yourself for basically no reason.

>>64827684
>chinkshill's list of pre-written """zingers""", #746
Excellent choice, sir.

>>64827696
>Plwease don't make me remember the vance stupidity

>>64827684
>k-keep seething
out of everyone in this thread, chinkshill, you're the only one who's seething. i'm not even an american, i'm just a good old noticer of your behaviour, and i've noticed that your behaviour is highly embarrassing and will lose the chinese a lot of face.

so again, you should stop, i know you've been trying for years, but it just doesn't work. stop shilling for china for free and your life will become infinitely easier, contrarianism of your caliber never makes anyone happier.

>>64827698
>i-i'm going to talk about the vance stupidity because i am desperate for a distraction as i have once again utterly humiliated myself.
i'm a european, i remember the "vance stupidity" but you're throwing it around like a distraction because the focus is on YOUR stupidity right now, not anyone else's.
lets talk about YOUR stupidity. why do you shill for china so desperately? contrarianism is a mental illness, you know.

>>64827557
cause Trumps constant antagonizing of Sorks is not going to backfire in anyway right?

>>64827717
why do you keep trying to railroad the conversation into some next goalpost?
nobody gives a shit about your fanfiction, fren. gooks will help the US in philly, mutual benefit will be had, end of story.

>>64827705
>shill for china
Your fantasy world is mediocre at best.

>>64827741
i didn't ask for another distraction and a
>"n-no u!"
i asked why you keep shilling for china so desperately, it's unhealthy behaviour.

>>64827736
It's not even moving a goalpost. It's him trying to distract everyone by jingling keys.

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>second largest economy in the world can't possibly make something
truly one of the boards of all time
glad i'm from switzerland and none of this shit affects me

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LOL china can make lots of cheap shit.

Damn Americans are throwing a tantrum ITT

>>64828031
>random hyperbolic strawman that isn't what everyone is saying
>i-i'm so smart
>i-i'm from switzerland
i very seriously doubt you're from anywhere in the civilised world lol.
>>64828072
>d-damn people making fun of me for being an angry chinkshill again ITT
why do you do this in every thread where you humiliate yourself? these post-humiliation victory proclamations look retarded, you should stop doing them.

>>64828085
I have only seen this level of rabid nationalistic rage in nafris btw, americans are brown as fuck

>>64828092
>i-i have only [more fanfiction]
i'm still not an american, i just notice you screech
>d-damn y-you guys sure got mad and not me hahaha
in every single end-state chinkshill thread where you humiliated yourself.
again, it looks really weird, even to a european, you should stop doing it.

>>64828099
Run the entire thread through your LLM of choice and report back to who it said is deranged here
You're a schizo mate

>>64828356
The S&P is barely 50$ under $7000 ATHs stfu

>>64827173
Where F/A-XX?

>>64828611
>chinkshill's list of pre-written """zingers""", #871

>>64828356
stop responding to yourself chinkshill

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Better sixth gen than ant chyna jet.

>>64828787
>movie props of the US: :o
>movie props of China: >:/
Cringe should have a limit.

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>>64828124
>y-you're the schizo mate
i'm not the person who pats himself on the back every time he gets bullied in his own shill thread lol.
>>64828300
chink melty indeed, maybe you haven't noticed, but you're really bad at pretending to not be mad.

>>64828356
why are you talking to yourself? do you still not have any friends you can go and shill with?
that's pretty sad.

>>64823097
If you got the money, you might as well make as many prototypes of as many types as is possible until you filter out what works the best.
The US has a whole graveyard of prototypes in its past. That is a good thing.

>>64829323
>China is copying what the US was doing in the 60s while the US has moved onto digital twins

>>64829364
It is probably more expensive to try and model a fighter jet/stealth bomber on a computer than to just build and fly one.

>>64827538
>ceo with no accountability promises they can do this complicated and expensive thing so give them a 500 billion dollar contract pretty please with sugar on top

>>64829575
Exactly. Yet you get much more fidelity and flexibility when doing so.
The US has the data library, software and compute moat by nearly an order of magnitude.

>>64829613
So the 737 MAX went according to keikaku
Naruhodo

>>64829616
>let me use an example that wasn't even made with digital twins

>>64827668
>A kneejerk reaction bomber that is worse in all aspects to a b-21 is not "innovating faster"

>>64827688
>then why can't they build an F35 equivalent, an F22 equivalent, a B-2 or B21 equivalent, or even an NGAD equivalent?

I fooking looove these kinds of threads for the amazing salt storm floods they provide.

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Clearly just going to be the modern equivalent of a night hawk.

The thing you people need to understand that the JH-36 is in itself just a tiny ripple on the surface of something much bigger and that is that the chinks have invested enormous amounts of money and manpower into building a gigantic R&D and manufacturing complex over the last 35 years. Not just in aircrafts but in just about everything. When I speak to local swedemonkeys, they are completely unaware that there are basic civilian technologies abroad that are completely unknown in Sweden. Even if I demonstrate these technologies to them, they refuse to accept them or understand them, because it is not part of their group think. F.ex my blood pressure and resting pulse is comparable to that of a teen athlete, but I am 50 and fat. That is because I cheat and use modern tech, unknown in Sweden, to keep it low, with zero negative side effects unlike conventional blood pressure medication. And even with this, I cant get them to understand.

When the chinks saw how the Iraqis got absolutely wrecked back in 1991 they realized that their "barefoot peoples guerilla" approach to warfare was dead and they went all in on modernizing and upgrading China. The JH-36 is just a ripple because it will be overtaken by other, superior systems down the line, and the replacement for JH-36 is approximatively 10-12 years out. And the replacement for the replacement is just 20-25 years out. In 20-25 years, USAF and USN inventory will still consist mostly of F-35 and B-21s, with some legacy F-15 and F-18. And thats just the aircrafts.

America cannot challenge the chinks without reforming itself and America cannot reform itself because it would require America to change its world view. This is not something that can be done overnight as most people cannot change their world view after it is fixed in their late teens or early twenties. It means that an entire new generation of americans must grow up and take over the reins. The chinks did this journey in the 1990s.

>>64823234
FYI Im not a butthurt mutt. But the US has invested a fuckload of money negating stealth, much more than china. The info is all online im not gonna sperg out and post it here. Sorry for being a fag.

>>64827173
Stop enshittifying the thread

>>64827417
God tier bait

(cont) You can see that some parts of the American establishment has begun to realize that something is seriously wrong and try to push for change. This is what the Trump administration is trying to do, in a most clumsy manner. But it wont happen fast enough because they still think that its fixable by minor changes. Americas problem vs China isnt solvable by something like the F-47, because the real problem is that the chinks have a much bigger R&D capablity and a much bigger manufacturing capability and you dont build something like that overnight. It literally takes generations. And it requires certain resources that are increasingly difficult to find in America.

>>64827625
This photo gives me a raging erection

>>64823234
I want to apply a solver to you.

>>64830181
Industrial mass doesnt mean operational maturity. Chinese scale known designs but they do not lead the bleeding edge. And ultimately the bleeding edge wins. The US delivered 200 f35s this year. The chinese havent made a single true f35 analogue. Also, china has strategic chokepoints as well- demographic, economic and energy related. If it were as cut and dried as you say it is, then china would have already invaded taiwan. Theres a reason you constantly see PLA shilling on twitter but you never see phantomworks or skunkworks flying around whatever theyve been working on for the last 30 years. Keep in mind the f35 program started in 1996.

>>64820692
Existing airframes are not compatible with the WS15. But I dont think even all new ones are going to get WS15s. Its a lower bypass engine thats less efficient even though more powerful, and will cut into the range of the J20, which might not be acceptable.

>>64830181
>Muh Chink R+D
Has yet to produce anything worth a damn

>>64830266
chiner don't have american 6th gens so discussion is pointless

>>64819518
your currency, your political administration and your global hegemony and soon your blood vessels too.

>>64830152
>salt storm floods they provide
yeah, chinks get really angry when you remind them of reality, it's great. and then they try soooooo hard to sound smug and unbothered yet fail everytime, i love it.

>>64830169
implessive
nobody cares about your fanfiction lol.

>>64830266
you're not here to discuss 6th gens though, since you keep shilling the J-36, and the J-36 is not a 6th gen.

>>64830355
do you ever get tired of shilling for china and failing miserably every time?
everyone already knows you're not here in good faith, you should just quit, it'd save you a lot of humiliation.

>>64830363
It's just a 6th gen flying wing, Gomez. Hopefully your pedophilic president will post another AI generated render so you can cool off your boiling nerves soon. Eat some burgers and don't get shot in the street until then.

>>64830368
>n-no nonono you don't understand, THIS time i really am someone else!
your post-humiliation victory proclamations and
>t-they're so mad for laughing at me!
posts reek of desperation, you should stop doing it.

>>64830370
>i-it's just a 6th gen flying wing
it's not though, and the fact that it's not keeps sending you into a fit of rage, just accept the reality that is chinese inferiority and stop screeching every time your delusional shillspam gets pushback.
>g-gomez
i'm not an american though, mr brownoid.
you calling someone else gomez is pretty funny however, thirdies really think they can co-opt the jabs that europeans and americans take at eachother. you're not a westerner, your opinion literally doesn't matter.

>>64830371
Projection is one hell of a drug.

>>64830368
shut the fuck up corny retard, post hairline.

>>64830379
yeah, it's pretty crazy the sheer volume of posts the chinkshill has made where he goes
>i-i'm not mad, i-i'm laughing at you for humiliating me
in every single chinese shill thread that's run it's course. it's actually impressive how consistently he projects his anger onto the people that just bullied him.

>>64830381
he's really bad at pretending to be smug, yet does it every time, he's also in love with that one edited image of xi, it's truly sad that he can't even praise his favourite dictator without having to slap a filter on him that makes him look white, because he looks so ugly and dysgenic otherwise.

>>64830376
>it's not though, and the fact that it's not keeps sending you into a fit of rage
you can't mald an entire thread and then try to flip it on someone else, Gomez.

Come back when you have a 6th gen jet (real, not AI slop).
tldr for the rest of your seethe screed.

>>64830385
Holy fuck you're so pathetic lmao
Everyone can tell it's the same loser and you're here pretending that everyone is the same burger

>>64830381
>mutt too dumb to realize I'm talking about him
lmao

>>64830385
>y-you can't mald an entire thread
you're right, i can't, which is why i haven't.
you have, however, you keep talking to yourself, keep patting yourself on the back by screeching
>h-haha yes THEY were so mad at you for being a retard and humiliating yourself by spouting chinkshill nonsense
every single time the shill thread takes a direction you don't want. you're very good at seething for extended periods of time.
>n-no we have a 6th gen WE HAVE A 6TH GEN
now say it without crying, chinkshill.
>d-didn't read
you did, you read every single post that makes fun of your bad-faith behaviour and the only recourse you have is to pretend to be smug and unbothered lol.

>>64830393
>n-no i was talking about you, s-stop making fun of me!
weird, because your sentence only makes sense in the context of applying it to yourself, angry and upset chinkshill.
>m-mutt
1: i'm european
2: you're a global souther, you don't get to use that word, 100% nonwhites like you making fun of "mutts" which are supposed to be partially nonwhite is funny. you're basically saying
>HAHA YOU'RE MORE HUMAN THAN ME!
which is a weird self-own

>>64830397
>i'm european
Yeah, you're Janssen Vandeerveer from the state of Lincolnshire, where everyone is very supportive of giving Greenland over to the US peacefully.

>>64830400
Give a medal to those guys!
Real patriots for the cause.

>>64830400
kek

>>64830397
>i'm european
Lmao, Obama is more european than you.

>chinkshill cannot comprehend anyone not being a caricature of his delusions because he's tried too long to pretend to be a bug

>>64830400
>p-please keep talking about greenland, the global south is constantly being humiliated and we desperately need a distraction
notice how you keep trying to inorganically railroad the conversation into D&C nothingburgers LMAO.
>everyone is very supportive of giving greenland over to the US peacefully
>if i strawman a random nonsense statement then people will stop making fun of me
greenland was a nothingburger, both europeans and americans knew this, the only ones still clinging to it as if there's any tension over it is you, the third world brownoids.
>n-no you're not a european
i am, you're not, kankermongool.
>n-now that you've proven you're a european, i'm going to make fun of you for being a european
i don't care, you're not a westerner, you're purely here for our amusement and to make funny monkey noises.

>>64830406
why are you repeating the same post you just made? you're really bad at samefagging, chinkshill.

ITT: chinkshill humiliates himself again and then makes more post-humiliation victory proclamations

>>64830425
>h-how many burgers
>e-everyone who makes fun of me is a burger
see >>64830421
you're so ridiculously transparent, you really should stop, if pretending to be a random onlooker didn't work the first 10 times, maybe it just doesn't work at all, chinkshill.

>>64830429
man you're seething so hard it's legitimately hilarious

>>64830425
>how many burgers
More than you can afford pal.

>>64830425
More than your samefagging ass

>>64830415
meds

>>64830439
You're objectively terrible at this, chinkshill. You get spotted everytime and your brain only has like 3 preset responses to choose from, and if a thread goes on long enough, you'll use each of them at least once. It's not even a tell at this point, it's a dialog tree.

>>64830433
>m-man you're seething
>n-not me
very convincing, chinkshill.

>>64830474
>ramirez
is that your name?
>why is chinkshill so insecure
no idea, i think he just really can't handle the fact that he gets easily spotted.

>>64830499
i don't think he even slightly grasps how predictable he is.
on a fundamental level, people with low intelligence like this struggle to understand how people can tell it's them despite not having a name.
>this is an anonymous imageboard
>therefore i can samefag and nobody will be able to tell
maybe he's used to being able to do it in nu/pol/ where threads move a lot faster.

and another thread ends in total chinkshill humiliation, good times.

>>64830591
Hapanda is an angry incel who thinks that by raging against Amerikkka, he'll get some commie pussy. Its almost as sad as how low long China took to poorly recreate ballpoint pens.

>>64830610
hapanda is a different guy.

>>64830591
No, he's just not sentient. He'll post the same webm that's gotten him laughed at 30 times in a row, despite people explaining to him in detail exactly why it doesn't show what he thinks it does, and then he'll have a meltie when it happens for the 31st time. And then the next day, he'll wake up and do it again.

Your-a-peein'

>>64830655
It's very telling when he refuses to engage with effortposts that cite hard data and dates.

>>64830861
>a-another delusional westoid w-who will *sniff sniff*
>*starts crying*
dude, it's over, you need to stop humiliating yourself, this shit isn't healthy.

>>64830868
If he abandons the thread early enough, he's fine, but if he reaches a certain point in his meltie process he physically can't stop himself from posting, which only makes his meltie worse, which compels him to post more to try and make the bad thoughts go away, and then it becomes a runaway cycle of emotional self-abuse. But again, he can't recognize this pattern because he's not actually sentient, so the very obvious solution of not making so many impressive threads that at least one per week is guaranteed to go badly enough that it makes him have a meltdown is never considered. And even if he reads this, the possibility will simply 404 in his brain.

>>64823234
nigga you living in 1996

>>64833350
>another post-humiliation victory proclamation
embarrassing, chinkshill, just let it go.
>a-are the bullies gone
>c-can i pat my delusional cope posts on the back without being laughed at this time
no lol.

right now your absolute and obsessive fixation with leaving this thread as a "win" for yourself is only further extending the chinese century of humiliation, if actual chinks found out you were doing this shit they might unironically send a hitsquad to kill you because you're singlehandedly damaging their reputation so much.

>>64833361
Hey, at least I can look at my neighbor and see someone of my same race, you can only see niggers and spics in a dying country ked by a pedophile.

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>>64833368
>h-hey a-at least i can *starts crying again*
>y-you're an american, you MUST be!
i'm sorry you get bullied by westerners every time you try to shill in these threads chinkshill, but i think it's time to hang up your coat and stop trying, all you're doing is making yourself and china look like a ridiculously insecure clownshow. trying to change the topic to culture war bullshit is just further humiliating yourself.
you're not american, you're not european, you're not even an actual chink.
your opinion literally doesn't matter, the only thing you'll get from the actual humans on this board is mockery.

>>64833368
>he said, after calling Americans mutts for the last 200 posts

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>>64833368
>atleast i'm 100% a subhuman nigger and all the people i see are 100% subhuman niggers
good for you, rajesh.

>>64831246
>And even if he reads this, the possibility will simply 404 in his brain.
called it

>>64830618
>Its almost as sad as how low long China took to poorly recreate ballpoint pens.
That's because China couldn't start reverse engineering ball bearings until they had chinkshill's smooth brain to study

>>64830208
>The chinese havent made a single true f35 analogue.

The chinks have not made a STOVL fighter (F-35B) because thats retarded. A hybrid VTOL that can only land vertically has all the drawbacks of a full VTOL without the ability to take off vertically. And the F-35B derivatives (A and C) are gimped by the design choices for B without having any ability to land vertically. So, no, I dont think they will make a F-35 copy.

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>>64833408
Probably true

>>64833695
>And the F-35B derivatives (A and C) are gimped by the design choices for B without having any ability to land vertically.
Ironically, so is the J-35.

>>64823234
>Be Boeing
>Make fancy reverse Doppler metamaterial coating
>Radar pings you
>Coating sends radar reflection back to radar making the plane appear to be going backwards
>Radar filtering software totally ignores plane because planes can't fly backwards
>>64827625
Pretty convinced F-47 is going to have Boeing's fancy coating. They just finished a new coating facility right before it was announced they would win the NGAD bid. They've been working on it for almost 30 years.

>>64833695
>v-vtol isn't useful
sure pal, whatever you say.

>>64833734
>Ironically, so is the J-35.

The J-35 is a twin engine fighter with no STOVL compromises. It is noticeable more slender than the F-35.

>>64833827
coatings and the application of them are the truly underrated part of a proper stealth aircraft, thirdies like to pretend that just having a faceted shape is good enough, but it really isn't. both the airframe itself and the coating on it needs to be extremely radar absorbant, extreme smoothness is important too, which is where proper application of that stealth coating and extremely high manufacturing tolerances of the airframe come in.
if you've ever seen something like a MIG-29 or F16 up close, you'll notice there's tons of very small bumps and divets in the metal, this is perfectly normal, and it doesn't affect the aerodynamics much at all, but it does act as yet more surface complexity for radar to bounce off of or trail along (radar can do weird shit around complex surfaces, including bouncing all the way around tiny imperfections in the airframe's skin, like going completely around the nose of the aircraft and then back at emitter again). this sort of shit is why i don't think chinese aircraft like the J-20 are anywhere near as stealthy as something like an F22 or F35.

>>64834083
Considering how shockingly crude chink metallurgy is, im surprised their airframes last longer than a year, no wonder they cant make jet engines

>>64834174
Same steel that the metallurgy lab for the navy lied about the quality of right? That steel? The controversially shit steel?

>>64834174
Source?

>>64834052
It isn't. To the chinks. Merely because they got fuck all experience and don't see why anyone would want vtol/stol.

>>64834220
This was for steel used between 1985-2017 for nuclear sub hulls so either Chinese steel wasnt used or it was

>>64834230
>This was for steel used between 1985-2017 for nuclear sub hulls so either Chinese steel wasnt used or it was

I believe the USN uses swedish steel for sub hulls. You dont use regular ship steel for sub hulls because they need to be much stronger and rust resistant too. Sweden exports a lot of special steel alloys that arent made in America.

>>64834200
>The controversially shit steel?
The steel that's too brittle when the seawater around the submarine freezes solid and the crew starves to death?

>>64834068
You say it like it's a good thing when they just cannot into jet engines