>>64823667
>footage taken moments before disaster
All it needs is a Liveleak logo.

>>64823667
This was the Russian winter Olympic swim team ?

that shit was so cool. the first week of the war was insane. that one chopper pilot scraping the water to avoid sam.

How many of those choppers made it back?

>>64823697
Not many

>>64823697
Most of them. From the first wave of 30+ helis only 4 or 5 were shot down. Two by a manpad team on the reservoir's shore. Though by this point its possible that none of the helis seen here are no more

>it ain't me starts playing

>>64823673
>All it needs is a Liveleak logo.
Or Worldstar

>>64823725
>Though by this point its possible that none of the helis seen here are no more
I haven't seen an Mi-8AMTSh in forever, so it's quite likely they've lost most of this particular type. Most of what we see these days is Mi-8MTVs and older Mi-8Ms

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>>64823667
Considering all of them died, not good

>>64823667
they should have blown the dam north or Kiev to slow down the ground response

>>64823667
>>64823691
Yeah it’s great footage. We all know how it ended, but there’s just something cool about a group of combat Helios coming in low.

>>64824065
Holy shit, a talking penguin

>>64824065
eyebrow status? where did my gloves go?

>>64824115
Look, I know that it's very easy to bait /k/ but come on

>>64824091
I felt bad for the penguin dude. I don’t think they should have droned him.

>>64824091
It's certainly making noises, but does it understand what the noises are meant to convey? Does a parrot know how to "talk", or is it just echolalia?

>>64823754
>Considering all of them died, not good
But they're ziggers, what do else do you want from them?

>>64823667
>Thoughts?
All those Russians?
They're good Russians now.

>>64824115
>finishes the job.
Three more years.

>>64823697
I think at least half of the airborne force didn’t make it back, at least that’s what it seems like from footage and after action reports say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Ji7KqqEqg

>>64824115
VDV status?
3 day SMO status?
Prigozhin(rip priggy) status?
Shoigu and Gerasimov status?
Dugin's daughter status?

>>64824179
>>64824192
Stop being baited.

>>64824192
>Shoigu and Gerasimov status?
Legit question. What's up with them these days? Are they still in charge?

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>>64824115
It's february nigger. Do you know what's in february? A certain anniversary of sort? Ring a bell?

>>64824199
but it's fun...

>>64824206
St. Valentine's Day?

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>>64824294
D-don't remind me...

>>64824199
Cool footage in op but there's not much else to talk about.

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>>64824065

Saar...SAAR!!

Do NOT redeem!!

>>64824141
We're up to 3 penguins by my count, it's some sort of dumb aliexpress anti drone suit
>>64823667
water looks cold

>>64823667
Where attack helicopter escort?

>>64823667
Seeing footage like this at the start genuinely made me think they were about to pull it off.

>>64824356
The Mi-171Sh, which had a similar role to the UH-60 DAP's that participated in the raid on Venezuela

>>64824364
They might have had they done this during night time and went straight to Kiev instead of wasting time in Hostomel

>>64823667
>B.b...but they died!
Yeah but they fucking LIVED in the moment. Don't care what team you're on anyone doing airborne shit has my respect.

>>64824379
>went straight to Kiev
Uh... then what?

>>64824379
>Nights ops
>Russian infantry
Memes asides they've gotten better at it but they straight up didn't have the capability to coordinate all that between their logi/follow on troops with the tip of the spear units.

Hostomel was absolutely essential though. That's why the best units got sent there. Without an air bridge they couldn't move other competent assets there to support the failing offensive of Kiev.

I don't think had Ukrainian sof fucked up defending Zelensky or he fled the country it would've been over. Kudos to him for staying tbqhwy.

>>64824393
>>64824394
Take the political leadership like the US did in Venezuela. The reason why the US succeeded was because they had a simple and clear objective that was achievable due to the element of surprise and the speed of air assaults, but the Russians didn't do any of that

>>64824396
It wasn't for lack of trying.

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>>64823667
>the war started 4 years ago

>>64824399
“War tourists” are practically oldfags now.

>>64824205
IIRC, shoigu was transferred to a different department, basically a soft firing, but he still appears on camera sometimes. Gerasimov is still in charge because he is just blatantly lying to Putin about the situation ( according to him, Russia has fully secured kupriansk as well as the surrounding area and the city just south of it. )

>>64824326
>water looks cold
Cold water is the VDVs natural inhabitat.

>>64824399
This whole decade seems like it's flying by quickly

>>64824356
There were some Ka-52s ahead of them IIRC
Certainly some of those were also downed in the same location that day. A couple of Mi-35Ms too IIRC

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>>64824417
It's way worse than that

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>>64824909
This is where Komsomolsk is on the map.

>>64824032
>t. chiang kai shek

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>>64824399
>covid was 6 years ago

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>>64824968
>mfw it actually is

>>64823739
>is not me
https://litter.catbox.moe/tvpccm.mp4

>>64824153
Pain.

>>64824383
https://litter.catbox.moe/htvwa0.mp4

>>64824141
>I felt bad for the penguin dude
Then you are a retarded faggot

>>64824396
>Take the political leadership
A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha, oh wow. They've tried. Multiple times. All of their attempts fucked up. Sending more retards in would not help because they were wrong in how they've seen the situation.

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>>64824968
the Hong Kong protests started 7 years ago

>>64825100
And I miss the clankening

>>64824909
>According to the Russian leader, fighting is currently underway in the city itself and the Russian Armed Forces have already liberated "a significant number of buildings"
>a significant number of buildings
Man that's grim

It seems that they didn't have enough forces to occupy the capital airport for a while. Was the number of operational helicopters a bottleneck?

>>64826504
The initial plan succeeded, the VDV managed to land a secure the airport, but Ukraine managed to put obstacles on the runways which prevented any cargo plane from landing which prevented the following wave from arriving. If I recall there were around 16-18 IL-76s loaded with supplies and men that couldn't arrive and only reached the airport the following day on land from Belarus.
By that time Ukraine already mobilised their troops.
Imagine If US Delta and Rangers took the Caracas airport, but because its runways were blocked and C-17s carrying 101st and 82nd couldn't land they just waited there for 24h when the Venezuelan army started mobilising around them and setting up ambushing positions around them...

>>64826504
Just poor planning, they believed their own propaganda and expected the Ukrainians to run or hide
Easy to laugh about that in hindsight but it worked out in 2014

>>64826526
2014 was such a fluke, that even after it happened and they attempted to push more, they got huge resistance. Donbass and Lugansk were basically failures compared to 2014 Crimea.

And yet, they still believed everything will go as 2014 Crimea.

>>64825100
now see, these feel like at least 7 years ago
why do covid feel so much closer ?
is it because it was such a big event ?

>>64826538
Its because of all the retards still insisting that the vaccine is going to kill us all any second now

>>64824968
God damn, best time of my life. What partynormalfags were calling "confinement'' while screeching like retards was just normal comfy life as far as I was concerned. And zero tourists, the fucking dream.

>>64826538
probably because it's something you experienced personally

>>64826516
>The initial plan succeeded, the VDV managed to land and die

>>64826535
>Donbass and Lugansk were basically failures compared to 2014 Crimea.
Not according to Russians. One of the major problems with face-saving cultures is that they don't learn from failures because they never, ever, ever, ever fail. No sirree. You can't even admit that there were specific issues that could use some improvement, because that's a slippery slope to introspection.

>>64826516
>the plan said the VDV was to secure an airport, it didn't say anything about it needing to be a functional airport

>>64826516
>Imagine If US Delta and Rangers took the Caracas airport, but because its runways were blocked and C-17s carrying 101st and 82nd couldn't land they just waited there for 24h when the Venezuelan army started mobilising around them and setting up ambushing positions around them...
That operation would be considered an abject failure to Americans, something like Operation Eagle Claw or the Son Tay raid that would lead to structural reforms to prevent it from happening again. Every aspect from the assumptions behind the initial planning to the actual execution would be dissected, criticized by both professionals and the public, every detail debated for years, lessons disseminated, training altered, new techniques and technology developed.

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>>64826526
>Just poor planning, they believed their own propaganda and expected the Ukrainians to welcome them as liberators
fify

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>>64823667
Is there a niche to fill for a combined attack-transport heli given the importance now for smaller groups of specialists (Javelins, Stingers, UAV specialists and trench raiders) and less materiel and troops in the field wanted given the drone threat? Smaller profile, risking less people. Eurohind if you will.

>>64824032
Loser tactic. That would have slowed their triumphant advance into Kiev.

>>64828108
Problem is, you don't want to risk landing before you secure the LZ just to deploy a small handful of men from an attack-focused multirole heli
But you also don't want to duel AA to secure the LZ while you're carrying around dismounts in a transport-focused multirole heli
Optimally you just have dedicated attack and transport helis, with each specializing for their specific role without compromising for mediocre multirole capability - but that's for the rich boys only. Soviets could sort of afford that, vatniggers evidently cannot, none of the few euros with actual militaries care for this capability much, chyna doesnt seem to want it either, so that just leaves US as the almost unchallenged kings of (contested) heli insertions

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>>64824973
Holy shit

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>>64823667
>Good thing those hohols can't aim--

>>64826516
Funnily enough, most NATO countries specifically prepare for that. If you're doing something as ballsy as trying to use paratroops or air mobile to secure an airhead, you need to be ready to handle clearing a contested airport to give you a functional runway. The enemy always gets a vote in your operations and they're never going to choose to hand over a functional airstrip. The expectation is that they'll have tried to sabotage it and you need to un-sabotage it in short order or your entire mission is fucked.
What makes a good military isn't planning your initial move well, it's being prepared to adapt to what your foe does in response. Particularly in the early weeks, Russia displayed a truly staggering inability to do that.

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>>64823667
I too remember the "we don't need SEAD" Operation. Fun times.

>>64823673
>Disaster
I'm having second thoughts on that. The Ukrainian sources deleted 2022 entries en masse, while ziggers are releasing new content every now and then.

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>>64830260
>Particularly in the early weeks, Russia displayed a truly staggering inability to do that.
That 40km traffic jam was such a perfect example of that. Sure, the stuck column itself was embarrassing. It's a paved, multi-laned highway that runs directly across the border with your own country, and your military still can't make it a 100km to Kyiv. OK, but it's not the first time there's been a fuckup in wartime. It happens.
But when days went by and they still hadn't gotten moving again? Hoo boy. They had helicopters and MT-LBs, they could have gotten fuel to the trucks in the front of the column by either flying it over or by going offroad. They could have cleared a lane by pushing trucks out of the way using fucking muscle power. They could have done anything.

>64830282
weak

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>>64830619
>They could have done anything.
You're only allowed to do what you're told.

Showing initiative gets you the broomhandle.

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>>64823667
Is this the same flight from this footage?

Heavy military vehicles have poor fuel economy even on paved roads, and the photo shows that they could no longer endure the traffic jam and tried to drive off the road, which only exacerbated the confusion.

>>64830686
pure kino

If there were troops lying in wait for helicopters near the reservoir with MANPADs and smartphones, couldn't they have stationed troops at the airport as well, in addition to obstacles on the runway?

>>64830730
They did, they had literally everyone they could pull together holding the place down. For christ sakes the garrison commander started running over Vehdehvehs with his Mercedes when ammo got scarce.

>>64826516
>The initial plan succeeded
This is such a retarded take. It's like being proud you initially succeeded in a fight with a sucker punched out of nowhere. Then he proceeded to break both your arms, but great initial success guys!

>>64826516
>Imagine If US Delta and Rangers took the Caracas airport, but because its runways were blocked and C-17s carrying 101st and 82nd couldn't land they just waited there for 24h
So, imagine if instead of competently executing a good plan, US tier 1 guys instead kinda-sorta pulled off what was actually always an impossible plan. Great hypothetical.

>>64831011
Ok ok... but what if US was incompetent just like Russia?! Then US would be unable to look down on poor Russia. Therefore... no looking down on Russia even though US succeeded!!! >:(

>>64830686
Yep, seeing that footage with the pilots going super low trying to avoid the manpads still is crazy stuff

>>64823667
If only they could take a simple airbase like delta force can abduct a highly secure foreign leader...

>>64824993
Ukie band doing this btw

>>64830260
>The enemy always gets a vote
How dare they?!

>>64830619
>40km traffic jam
I recall reading in those early weeks that those convoy drivers were sabotaging their own fuel tanks (punching holes in them) in order to avoid driving into the warzone.

>>64831776
>STOP THE COUNT!!

>>64830686
Every time I rewatch this I'm like 'shoot down more than one this time!'

Even Tom Cruise would be shot down if he ran out of flares.

>>64823691
It was kino and all ukrainian dickriding cocksuckers can fuck off. It was rad, but it was clear that this was the actual part of the VDV that were somewhat capable and that whatever was meant to follow up was a big fucking joke hollowed out by years of corruption and appeasing putler.

Kind of makes me wonder if all the recent Chinese military "purges" are a preparation for Taiwan by Xi; just too make sure nobody overpromises and underdelivers when the time comes.

>>64833246
Communist regimes stays alive by purging. Doesn't many anything at all. It's just how that works.

>>64833179
>Here's how the VDV can still counterattack

>>64833246
Authoritarian purges famously only target people who bring the leader good news and suck his dick all the time.

>>64833246
>VDV that were somewhat capable
Depends on your standards. If "somewhat capable" for a premier airborne regiment is still at around the level of the average US national guard (reservist) infantry unit, then sure. But actual on-the-ground footage of VDV at that point showed they weren't particularly well trained or equipped. ie, they mostly had ironsights on barebones AKs. Their helicopter pilots were admittedly pretty skilled - but were used by commanders so frequently and recklessly that over half of the KA-52 fleet was gone by the end of 2022

>just too make sure nobody overpromises and underdelivers when the time comes.
Xi has repeatedly purged everyone EXCEPT yes-men. It's getting to a point where it's unclear if anyone competent will remain to succeed Xi when he croaks. An invasion at this point would be seriously hindered by the absurd levels of corruption and favoritism in the military command, which are somehow even worse now than they were 10-15 years ago.