>>64830679
Pretty cool, though that caseless bullpup would be neat too if it worked at all. Very nice to see there's still at least a few insane people going to that general snoozefest.

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Newfangled gizmo slop.

>one trigger pull
>multiple shots
illegal??

>>64830679
There is absolutely no reason that you couldn't swap the barrels and make that in .17 HM2.

>>64830750
>but why

>>64830728
An actual MG is illegal to sell to those without the right FFL/SOT or LEAs/military but plenty of MGs get shown off at shot show each year that aren't for regular civilians. Nothing wrong or illegal about that anon.

However in this case if you actually watch the video/read about it they think they've found a way around it like FRTs did, where it doesn't meet the technical legal definition of a machine gun. There are a bunch of different approaches to try to achieve that, this is a very fun one. Emphasis on fun, this is a pure have an awesome stupid silly time at the range gun, not muh tactical advantage.

>>64830755
If you need to ask then you have no honor.

this is cool as fuck and anyone who hates on this is seriously gay. Youre not gay, right?

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>>64830679
Benis :DDD

>>64830679
Even if this somehow wasn't classed as a machine gun, it'd still illegal in my gay state.

>>64830767
>However in this case if you actually watch the video
I don't think you did, because he specifically states you need an SOT for it.

>>64830821
>I don't think you did, because he specifically states you need an SOT for it.
>"Each round is still fired individually as the barrels rotate, keeping it non-NFA and legal under current ATF interpretations."
which is it anon

>>64830726
Those are shit. Also this is basically reinventing the old M61 and M134, "What if we put an electric motor on an old handcranked Gatling and gave it a belt feed?"

>>64830833
Handcrank = not a machinegun.
Electric motor = machinegun.

How do you not know this?

>>64830856
As long as it's a manual impulse on the trigger for each individual shot and barrel like an FRT does why would it matter what system it uses for loading? Gas operated or electric isn't specified in law. He says explicitly that it's non-NFA.

>>64830856
>shit
4u. Mine is like a sleeping bag zipper. How many have you shot?

>>64830873
His opinion isn't correct. Otherwise Dillon miniguns would be legal.

>>64830873
>As long as it's a manual impulse on the trigger for each individual shot and barrel
Well it clearly isn't, where are your eyes?

>>64830880
>His opinion isn't correct.
Hold up anon. Earlier you claimed that "he specifically states you need an SOT" and now you're saying that you lied and that was YOU stating a SOT is required?
>Otherwise Dillon miniguns would be legal.
Are those FRTs in firing operation or just old fashioned pure hold down? Do you think FRTs need a SOT too?

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>>64830833
>Each round is still fired individually as the barrels rotate
Yes, the hand-cranked version, retard-kun.
Watch the video again. The ~1:15-1:20 mark.
Tippmann has been making fully legal, hand-cranked versions for years. The idea of sticking a battery and electric motor on something like this isn't some brand new idea. There's a reason things like that haven't flooded the market.

>>64830897
>Earlier you claimed that "he specifically states you need an SOT"
No, that was me.
>and now you're saying that you lied and that was YOU stating a SOT is required?
What are you even talking about?

>>64831020
Look man, stop waffling. Are you you or not?

>>64831076
>s-s-samefag
Yeah, yeah. And then I post a pic from my phone showing the lack of (You), and then you cope with
>w-w-well, muh HTML, muh inspect element
Etc.

>He says explicitly that it's non-NFA.
Not once in the video does he say anything about it being non-NFA. The closest thing he says to that is that you need to physically modify the non-NFA HAND-CRANKED version to accept the battery and motor, because if the motor and battery were fully drop-in, it would make the HAND-CRANKED version a machinegun.

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>>64830693
>though that caseless bullpup
I have lived long enough to see somebody trying to make a blowback Lorenzoni system.

>>64831110
>Lorenzoni system
Damn, I've never seen that before. That's fucking neat.

>>64830873
Doesn't matter what you or I think, if you connect an electric motor to a handcranked gun, pressing the on switch is regarded as "multiple shots per action of the trigger" and thus a machinegun.
Handcranks by themselves are a continuous action.

This has been the rule for a very long time, and not one of those which the AFT has really wavered on (Bumpstock ban was an executive order).

>>64830810
I like it. They should make a kit for their 9mm one too. Would be much less practical than any proper 9mm SMG, but I don't care, it'd be cool and fun.

>>64830897
Are you fucking retarded? The electric motor kit, if you bought and finished it, would be considered a full-auto conversion kit for Tippmann's .22 Gatling, which on its own is normally just a Title 1 Firearm.

Compare to an AR15 being a Title 1 Firearm until you drill an extra pinhole and install a DIAS and milspec carrier.

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>>64831124
I love those rare old repeaters, some gunsmiths were true visionaries.

My favorite of them all is the Kalthoff Repeating Rifle:
>Scanian War, 1657
>Sweden (along with some 2000 Dutchmen) invade Copenhagen, Denmark
>we want their castle
>cold of winter but the ice in the castle moat has been chopped open
>we get the distances measured and build siege ladders
>as we begin the siege, we notice that, oh, fuck, they found out and widened the gap at night
>now the siege ladders can't reach lol
>King Charles The Xth has a Royal Guard
>some 100 men
>they proceed to open fire at our troops from the castle
>ABSOLUTE ABBATOIR
>it's like their guns can reach and keep firing forever
>our side manage to kill maybe 10-ish of their guys at the castle
>Danish Royal Guard supposdly kill roughly 1700 Swedish soldiers through the attempted siege
So we didn't get that castle, and we actually weren't able to take the city either. Tried to set fire to it with heated shot and all for a long while, but the people of the city fought gloriously and kept putting the fires out. King Charles would reward the people of Copenhagen for their bravery and loyalty.

So, what we're looking at is a .54 caliber rifled flintlock musket, you tilt the gun forward, crank the horizontal lever forward and back, and it will have taken and chambered one of the 30 lead balls from the underbarrel tube magazine, and taken blackpowder from the reservoir in the stock, carried it with a separate space within the lever, and loaded the chamber and primed the pan with powder. About 2 seconds to reload and take aim, allowing for a trained shooter to make up to 30 aimed shots in one minute if needed.
Vastly superior speed, range, and precision, to any normal smoothbore musket ot the era.

Imagine a hundred dudes with guns like those opening up on you, and most of your guns can't even reach them to return fire. Historic example of force multiplication.

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>>64830679
Chaingun?

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>>64831480
More or less. Tippmann do make a 9mm Parabellum Gatling which takes Glock pistol magazines (which should put it on classic Doom's level), and I hope they make this motor kit for that gun too.

>>64831595
I imagine that thing would be a bit heavier than the .22 though. It would be cool if the .22 had a different belt system than their plastic ones, like cloth or something. Their block belt looks kind of bulky, though I've never seen one in person.

Needs a better belt system. Reduce the number of barrels to three, rechamber in .17 M2 (copper jacketed tungsten) and sell it as a component of a anti drone weapon. Use a electro optical system where you can adjust a 'ring of fire' via a holographic sight so it shoots at anything that moves inside the ring.

Imagine a pintle mount where you point it in a general direction then it automatically tracks and shoot at anything in a adjustable cone of fire. You could use it as a anti drone point defense and in a fixed or vehicle mount it could have vast amounts of ammo. Giving it semi manual aiming would reduce costs immensely and make it much easier to use for anti infantry work without AI related 'accidents' since the user can stop firing when you accidently get the worlds greatest high score in Nintendo Duck Hunt 2.0.

It would be VERY impressive in anti infantry/suppression work, just point in the general direction and fire. Dial down the firing cone and adjust aim if it keeps hitting that one dead guy and makes him twitch alot.

>.17 M2 isn't a anti infantry round and doesn't have the range or power
That many rounds made out of tungsten with that much ammo sure as fuck does. We will make a special award for KIA's if all we recover is a perfectly trauma plate sized piece of skin.
>rimfire isn't a military round because muh misfires
Centerfire rounds out of miniguns have misfires as well, the powered extraction means they just ignore them. You fire 299 rounds instead of 300.

Also with three barrels, a battery in the handle and a 4 inch barrel combined with a 1000 round satchel it could be a bulky pistol with almost no legitimate use outside of highly specialized situations and massive sales not to mention many illegitimate uses.

>>64832804
It's a fun side thing for a weapon which isn't serious to begin with. Would you tell him to add a RIS fore-end to the pump-action .380 pistol too?

>>64832920
I think that .380 pirate pistol needs to be a carbine.

>>64832920
Naw. A .17 mini gun could have practical uses for anti drone use/secondary suppression fire but anything else isn't.

Beside the .17 Gatling pistol idea, that would be an amazing terror weapon in a crowded area.

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>>64830679

>>64832804
>.17 M2 (copper jacketed tungsten)
You have gone around the bend with your fanfic fantasy.

>>64830679
Best how? Looks like another meme no one is going to buy

>>64833811
Because it's fun, you soulless faggot.

>>64833867
But youre not going to buy it

>>64833870
Yeah, because I'm not a fucking SOT, but it's not just another angle for the Glock or AR15, or just some other silencer or optic.
It's a gun which is made for the fun of it, and which is different.

>>64833867
How is buying 6 suppressors fun?

>>64833924
Where do you think the suppressor is supposed to fit?

>tards in this thread arguing this thing is legal
>something that is obvious even if you don't watch the video
lol