Define the best dipshit.

>>64831864
Speed (both maximum and stall speeds), agility, maneuverability, operational cost, purchase price, combat record (A2A and A2G), the amount and variety of weapons it could carry, the list goes on.

Or just use your opinion, don't be pedantic.

>>64831875
Not him but probably the F-15 then. Later Euro triangles edge it out on performance, but also didn’t come into service until nearly 30 years after it. It’s been the backbone of western air power going on five decades and racked up an incomparable service record in that time. Variants of the airframe are adept at both air superiority and strike roles.

>>64831860
Eurofighter, obviously.

The one you love

>>64831860
F-15EX
F/A-18F
(power gap)
Rafale C
J-10C
Eurofighter T4
(power gap)
F-2 Kai
F-16V
J-16
(power gap)
Gripen E
(power gap)
Su-57
Su-35S
all the other russian trash

>>64831875
Eurofighter specs wise
F-15 and F-16 considering only the combat record
Bonus point for the F-15EX for carrying so much ordnance

>>64832090
Where does the FA-50, F-CK-1, JL-9, JF-17 and Tejas stack up?
>>64832004
I would tell you, but it is an autistic one to go with..

>>64831860
Best 4th gen of all time? Probably the J-20.

>>64832138
all of those are around gripen tier except the tejas which somehow manages to make russian shit look good in comparison and the JL-9 which is a fucking trainer

>>64832138
FA-50 is a trainer, so eeh
F-CK-1 basically an f-16, shit kinematics tho, more similar to the hornet in that aspect
JL-9 just another trainer, eh
JF-17 amazing avionics on a decent airframe with a terrible engine, so not really good
Tejas lmao

Also don't trust this guy >>64832090, doesn't know his planes


>I would tell you, but it is an autistic one to go with..
go on

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F-15 is the nest hands down.

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Su35

>>64832199
starting the list from the bottom up? interesting approach

>>64831860
the Eagle takes #1 easily, but you could make a credible argument for pretty much any euro or American fourth gen to have the number 2 spot depending on your choice of criteria
outside the west chink flanker variants run the show, followed closely by other flanker variants, followed closely by eveything else

>>64832138
>I would tell you, but it is an autistic one to go with
Based Viggen enjoyer.

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>>64832199
kek, someone posted this image a while ago and it always makes me laugh

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>>64832217
>su22.png
They really don't send their best shills, or do they?Is this the smartest shill poster?
su-22's look like picrel, what dumped fuel on that reaper was a su-27.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgO2c-wHG78

>>64832212
>you could make a credible argument for pretty much any euro

holy shit nigger please
euro jets are at the tail ass fucking end except for the rafale

>>64832234
I just named the file that since I don't know anything about fighter jets. I can recognize a Harrier and Typhoon but that's about it. Idk what you think I'm shilling for here.
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>>64832238
rafale is so overrated it's funny
>old not upgradable radar (nosecone too small)
>shitty draggy aero because it also had to be carrier based
>"SPECTRA" vaporware
>it's french
>Likely worse than the Gripen E on the tech side
> not that much A2G stuff

>>64832245
> I don't know anything about fighter jets
Was obvious enough already
>post agitprop randomly like shills do
>is not shilling
ok

>>64831860
F-15 is the best air superiority fighter, Gripen is the best for austere conditions, F-16 is the best if you are poor.

>>64831898
Should be noted that the F15 and f18s were getting pretty bitching radars just as the euro chips where entering service

>>64832138
Those all suffer from baby dick radar syndrome

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KF21, obviously, you silly westoid

KOREA STRONG

>>64832192
It was the F-CK-1, which I already mentioned. It almost never gets brought up on /k/. but I just like how it looks and I think that if pitted up against a J-10, it would come out on top.
>>64832422
This confuses me since those weapons impact RCS, but it follows fifth generation design principles.

>>64832344
OK lil bro maybe take a break from the internet, you seem to have developed some kind of complex.

>>64832520
From what read I think the idea was to first design a stealth airframe then figure out how to include a internal weapons bay later that way they could put it straight into production and start replacing their F-4s and F-5s.

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>>64832520
F-CK-1 and J-10 would be a cool matchup in the skies. I like both of them.

>>64832693
WHAT THE F-CK DUDE?!

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not gripen

>>64832630
That makes more sense, so in essence there is a 4.5, not quite 5th gen, with a 5th gen in the works.
>>64832693
Honestly, I think the J-10 peaked with the J-10B TVC, which was never taken up. It is a neat aircraft, though, among my favorite Chinese types behind the Q-5 and Z-19.

To me, F-CK-1 vs J-10, would be my dream matchup (sorry if this sounds a bit too autistic). Two relatively unproven fighters (never mind Inida vs Pakistan, that was a case of AWACS and pilot training) going head-to-head.

P.S: I plan on buying model kits of both the F-CK-1 and J-10 in the future, but my eyes are currently set on a few other types first so I can participate in the Japanese group build over in /toy/.

>>64832630
yeah the bulkheads have the cutouts for a weapon bay and everything, they just decided to worry about separations testing once they had an operational airframe i guess

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>>64832751
YU WAN TU F-CK ON ME?!

>>64832788
It makes sense. Rival aircraft. Almost a modern day Battle of Britain.
I think my bet would be on the J-10 simply because there's less chance of a specific airframe being fatigued. Definitely appreciate the Taiwanese fighter but they either need to produce more or move onto the next design, which is easier said than done.

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>>64832611
I am better than you
simple as

>>64832810
The C and D variants are the new ones. AIDC's focus is to replace the AT-3 and F-5, both of which being retired last year. The T-5 fills the AT-3's gap, the F-5's gap will be filled by the AT-5 in development. AIDC only ever does one thing at a time, so the next fighter will likely be after that, so I would expect to see such a thing in the 2030s. Taiwan is never the first, but they produce well-researched, competent designs, partially thanks to American assistance.

>>64832816
at being a faggot? yes, i'll give you that one. 10/10 faggot performance, chef's kiss.

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>>64832828
seethe harder

>>64832834
Check out F-Toys, Takara and Bandai Wing Club. They make pre-painted models of aircraft and sometimes tanks. Doyusha have a few too, but not every Doyusha kit is pre-painted.

If you want my recommendation, find the Doyusha F-4 and F-15 line, they cover just about every JASDF scheme.

>>64832090
J16 deserves to be higher than J10. It's got better radar, and can carry more PL15's and even that super long range AAM

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>>64832852
>retarded redditor with latent rage over some bumfight half a world away
>triggered by the slightest meme

oh yes you're not mad at all :D

>>64832816
They make it easy

>>64831860
Going by KDR it's the F-15, by a long way. With the Harrier in second place. Both of those aircraft scored kills without any losses - there was a Russian plane (I forget which one) which was also part of that club, but they lost a few in Ukraine so it's disqualified.

>>64832199
Not even the best Sukhoi plane

>>64832090
>F-2 Kai
hello, ace combat player

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>>64831860
>Which 4th generation fighter is the best?
My favorite one is the best and the worst one is your favorite

>>64831875
>speed
not the main decider in air to air battle today
>agility
not the main decider in air battle today
>maneuverability
not as important anymore, though still very relevant in BVR
electronic systems, radar and datalink are far more important for a 4th gen (or any combat aircraft) nowadays. that, and being able to carry long range air-to-air missiles.

>>64832090
>j10C
>that high
>eurofighter below it
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you're retarded.

F-15>>>

>>64833474
>>speed
>not the main decider in air to air battle today
yes and no, launching a missile at very high speed will help you kill whatever you can lock on and allows you to outrun an enemy missiles if you go cold
>>agility
>not the main decider in air battle today
yes and no again, kinematics is king (f-35 is a good example of it, since we're talking "today")

>>64832520
F-CK-1 is nice but likely to be shat on by a J-10C
>This confuses me since those weapons impact RCS, but it follows fifth generation design principles.
KF-21 is in fact not stealth, just low observability

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>>64831860
Probably the F-15EX, but in my heart it's the F-16. Hell, depending on your parameters, it probably is a legitimate candidate for the title. Does a little bit of everything, dodges a SAMs like it's Ace Combat, does it cheaply, been doing it for a long time and still doing it, still in production.

>>64831860
Only the F-15 and F-16 have proven themselves decisively in combat. FA-18 has done damage too but not used extensively enough in different combat scenarios as the Eagle and Falcon.

The only serious answers are either the F-15, F-16 and maybe F-18 depending on criteria.
Every other answer is the equivalent of using WarThunder models to say what's better.

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>>64834922
>CHAPPY!

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>>64831860
kneel

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>>64835719

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>>64836557
keep seething pooerre
rafale parts are being found to this day

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>>64836568 LOL like I give a fuck about the french jets lol.

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>>64836578
you seem to be oddly sensitive

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>>64836582 LOL

>>64836568
rafale is not that bad, indians are simply incompetent

>>64836600
They have no basic air force trainer, they just do sims straight to jets, which is tarded.

>>64834922
I was there for that elephant walk, both the Juvats and Pantons had to green every jet for that. It sucked.

>>64831875
So just stuff that doesn't matter?

>>64837612
Or use your criteria.

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Mig 31

f-15 or su-35

the missile trucks that can fly high and far that can carry good loads will always be the best overall

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I like Su-24

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>all these tards just posting their favorite, knowing full well it sucks compared to other 4th gens
The best ones are either going to be the F-15EX as others have pointed out, or one of the various "it's totally 5th gen" cope jets like J-20, SU-57, etc

>>64831875
Maximum Speed: MiG-31, F-15, Su-27, Mirage 2000

Stall speed: F/A-18, Rafale, Gripen

Agility/Manoeuvrability: Su-27/30, Typhoon, Rafale, F-16

Operational Cost: Gripen, F-16, Mirage 2000

Purchase Price: Gripen, F-16, MiG-29

Weapon Capability and Variety: Typhoon, Rafale, F-15

Combat Record: F-15, F-16, F/A-18, Mirage 2000 (mainly due to America always being at war with someone)

Best overall: F-15, Typhoon, Rafale
Best value: Gripen, F-16, MiG-29

>>64839062
jokes on you, the best flanker now carries a J prefix

>>64839135
technically, i should have just put su-27 since it's a family, like the f-15. the best iteration of an eagle or flanker will generally be the best overall 4th gen/ bird when the totality of the variables are factored in.

many of the smaller and lightweight fighters can have great performance, but endurance and ceiling just isn't there. if something can fly higher and for longer, kinematics of munitions will be better, as will evasion.

>>64835719
Based Lavi poster

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>>64833476

Ah yes, all those great Eurofighter A2A kills we've heard so much about

>>64832188
Unironically this. Eagles and Hornets are great but we're talking top of the line 2020's 4th gen shit when the J-20 is in the room.

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>>64842185
>Oh nice i've got 5,000 of the J-20's, I put them all in my bomb-proofed cave airbases.