>>64833952
Probably that Laguo Alien thing but really just look at what any top comp players are running with.

>>64833965
Competition shooters usually care about speed first and accuracy second, from what I've seen.

>>64833965
The alien looks interesting with it's fixed barrel, but I can't find any good accuracy data. The reviews have groups from like 10 yards, which tells me nothing. I can group all holes touching at ten yards with a G19 and blazer brass.

>>64833990
I saw reviews on I think sniper's hide and bullseyeforum a year or two ago and the 25yd accuracy at least was excellent but couldn't find anything on 50yd. However there is another issue: it's a double stack frame width, so if you care about shooting one handed that might be a no-go for you right there regardless of other accuracy.

SIG Sauer P210, CZ Shadow 2, S&W 952, and high-end 1911/2011 models like those from Nighthawk Custom (or whomever you like).

>>64834033
Don't care about one handed shooting. This will be a survival pistol.

>>64834265
>This will be a survival pistol.

mechanical accuracy should not be your primary concern. you are most likely not a good enough shooter to be held back by your gun's accuracy.

TTI Viper hands down

>>64834272
I've already hit that wall. I know that I'm capable of shooting 1" groups at 25 yards based on my experience with Ruger standard and Browning Buckmark pistols, as well as S&W 686 revolvers and a vintage colt trooper I have. I am "squirrel hunting" accurate with all these guns at about 25 yards. I want a 9mm with the same performance because 9mm has the most logistics advantages of any cartridge and semiautomatic pistols have numerous advantages over revolvers and can be kept operational indefinitely with cheap drop-in parts.

>>64833952
Obviously something with a fixed barrel like the alien, runner up would be a pistol with really tight fitment, and you can go crazy expensive with a fully hand fit 2011, or on a budget can get a 92 and hand fit the barrel. Keep in mind accuracy from one brand of 9mm ammo to another can vary greatly.

>>64834340
What's the best 2011 right now?

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>>64833952
>What is the most mechanically accurate 9mm pistol?

>>64833952
If fired from a fixture, meaning human input is not a factor, I would expect a revolver with an optics cut to have the best possible dispersion because the barrel and optic are fixed to the frame therefore there is less process variation between shots.

That being said it seems like you want a mag fed mass produced pistol. You'll get good accuracy out of the box with any of the HK pistols that have an o-ring on the barrel such as the USP tactical or the vp9 match. I would also expect good dispersion out of the 1911/2011's that use a heavy barrel.

You can improve the accuracy of pistols you already own by fitting a barrel yourself. KKM precision barrels are easy to fit to a glock.

>>64834360
I would buy one of those in a heartbeat if I found one.

>>64834435
I would use a revolver but no good 9mm revolvers exist. All of them have bad reviews in terms of accuracy, from the Ruger Blackhawk convertibles to the S&W models. I think the reason is that they're all using .357 barrels. I know that the ammunition isn't the culprit, because I've had 9mm carbines that could shoot 2MOA with cheap factory ammo.

>>64834435
VP9 looks interesting but I have a preference for a hammer fired metal framed gun.

I would expect some of the best results to come from a custom 9mm 1911 built by a gunsmith who makes guns for Bullseye matches. I’ve seen at least 1 45 1911 built by a smith that shot about 1.75” at 50 yards from a rest so I would expect similar for 9mm.

>>64833952
>consistently shoot groups under 2" and sometimes as small as 1" at 25 yards offhand.
No you dont

>>64833952
probably the laugo alien with its fixed barrel
but you can likely get within your 4moa accuracy with any quality SA hammer fired pistol with a good trigger

>>64834512
With target style 22 pistols and full sized revolvers fired in single action, yes I do. I've been shooting handguns for 15 years though.

>>64834534
Id maybe believe it benched, you aren't shooting 1-2" groups offhand. You're just larping.

>>64834481
>no good 9mm revolvers exist

929 is no good?

>>64833952
>>64834435
The HK USP Expert or Elite, or one of the longslide Tanfoglio CZ clones, would probably suit you very well. A long sight radius will be important for maximizing accuracy unless you plan to use optics, which it sounds like you don’t.

>>64834537
I could shoot <2" groups with those types of weapons within a year of buying my first handgun. We're talking slow fire of course. I consider myself just an average shooter. 1" groups especially with my Browning Buckmark with good ammo is not that difficult. The Ruger MK4 is slightly less accurate but still usually under 2" with minimags. Revolvers tend to be even more accurate because you don't have the reciprocating mass.

But with 9mm semoautos my groups open up to 3"-4", counting every flier. The best I can do is keep my shots consistently under 3" with my CZ SP01 tactical using a laser sight. Almost 2" with Federal AE 147 and Hornady Critical Duty 135+p.

To be honest, even a Glock 19 is "good enough" for survival, but I want more, and I'm making enough money now that I can afford better guns.

>>64834550
Every review I've seen shows poor accuracy.

>>64834575
Optics would be preferable, but I find they don't enhance my slowfire precision on a single target that much, so they're not mandatory to me.

>>64834578
>I could shoot <2" groups with those types of weapons within a year of buying my first handgun. We're talking slow fire of course. I consider myself just an average shooter
Look dude, you can keep sitting here saying that you're a world class bullseye shooter and have been since your first year of shooting and that it's actually totally average all you want. It's obvious bullshit and nobody believes you.

>>64834598
<2" groups with a fixed-barreled pistol with a fixed optic plane integral with the frame is not world class bullseye shooting. That is the normal expected accuracy from these types of weapons.

>>64834598
My first handgun when I was 21 was a S&W 67 .38 Special, and then I got a Ruger MK3 22/45 shortly after that. Primary interest in firearms was always wilderness survival first, with self defense being secondary. So I set out to achieve the same accuracy standard that I had established with recurve bows, which was to consistently hit a square of duct tape on a 9" paper plate at 25 yards. With those two pistols I was able to develop that accuracy in a short time frame.

If you're someone who conceives of handguns as being purely defensive weapons and you spend 90% of your live fire training budget on 7 yard rapid fire, then I can see why you might find that kind of accuracy unrealistic.

>>64834265
>survival pistol
>>64834309
>kept operational indefinitely with cheap drop-in parts
you already have some of the most ubiquitous handguns to exist with very easily replacable parts. id just say fill out the collection n get a 92FS. and i dont know if youve hunted before, but i personally wouldnt go with a 9mm auto for an all purpose "survival" weapon
>>64834578
>I could shoot <2" groups with those types of weapons within a year of buying my first handgun
oh youre a larping noguns. understand why you have pretty mutually exclusive goals for the same handgun lol. thread discarded

>>64834714
i think the issue is that you sound wayyyy too much like you're larping as a 'wise fudd' charicature that the neofudd contrarians here strive to be. like really, you only shoot slowfire with
22s and revolvers? why are you even on /k/ then? go to some autistic purist forum. if you've been shooting for 15 years then why tf do you need to ask randos on here what gun is best?

>>64834723
>but i personally wouldnt go with a 9mm auto for an all purpose "survival" weapon

Presumably you would go with something vastly overweight for any kind of backpacking use, and then hurl it into a swamp in a moment of dehydration or heat stroke induced delirium, or be arrested by blue helmets or shot by paranoid militia patrols for brandishing a non-concealable weapon. That's usually how these conversations go.

>oh youre a larping noguns. understand why you have pretty mutually exclusive goals for the same handgun lol. thread discarded

If you can't shoot 2" groups at 25 yards with a Browning Buckmark, Ruger Standard, or a full sized revolver, then frankly you need to work on your form and trigger control.

>>64834738
If you don't like my threads then don't join them.

>>64834761
>you need to work on your form and trigger control.
there is always room to improve yes! but i personally believe you are lying about being able to do so within a year of shooting
>Presumably you would go with something vastly overweight for any kind of backpacking use
there we go big dawg, finally getting to brasss tacks! honestly since you are an extremely accomplished pistol shooter (apparently) id go with this: an S&W 329 PD. super light, as easily concealable as any other full sized handgun, and definetly strong enough to take most game that youd want to in the US. I carry one on backpacking trips for bear defense. kicks like a bitch and is honestly unenjoyable to shoot, but is as accurate as my CZ.
I dont understand why you set your goals where you have, as they dont align with what i think of when i say "survival" gun. Even inferring that there truly is a perfect survival weapon just kinda shows me that you arent an outdoorsman ( or at least havent really thought about how firearms interface with being innawoods)

>>64834912
>there is always room to improve yes! but i personally believe you are lying about being able to do so within a year of shooting

Maybe I just have natural talent then. I was definitely keeping my shots inside a square of duct tape at 25 yards most of the time with my first two handguns when I was 21 years old. I didn't use range finders back then, but when I did start using range finders I found that my ability to judge distance through steps was very accurate. I killed many squirrels with both of those guns.

>S&W 329 PD

Your ammunition weighs twice as much as 9mm so it's disqualified right there, to say nothing of poor availability and the cost of maintaining a stockpile.

>I dont understand why you set your goals where you have, as they dont align with what i think of when i say "survival" gun.

Among other things, a survival gun has to allow you to carry a large quantity of ammo and continue to procure ammunition during ammo shortages and personal financial hardship. It also needs to be user-serviceble and should not need expert gunsmithing services for repair after only a few years worth of training, and this is a big problem with modern revolvers due to lack of quality control.

>Even inferring that there truly is a perfect survival weapon just kinda shows me that you arent an outdoorsman ( or at least havent really thought about how firearms interface with being innawoods)

That's actually been my dominant mental exercise for almost twenty years. That's why I don't lug around 44 magnum ammo that would destroy most game animals in the environment.

>>64833952
It would probably have to be a pistol without a tilting or rotating barrel. Have you ever thought about buying a Laugo Alien (unknown quality; I have never touched one), a Luger (upper-medium quality; belongs in a museum), or a Hi-Point (extremely low quality)?

>>64834912
A survival revolver would unquestionably be of the .357 magnum caliber or possibly even .22 magnum. 44 magnum doesn't enter the equation at all, that level of power is a luxury for sport hunting, it's not a survival necessity. The first rule of a survival weapon is that you use the lightest and most compact cartridge you can possibly get away with. 9mm is already overkill itself, but that's where the R&D and economy is. If you want experience with "firearms interfacing with innawoods", start EDCing enough ammo for your weapon to shoot something every day for a year.

>>64833952
TC Contender.

>>64834997
You carry what works. 44 magnum works in revolvers and lever actions. Carrying only one type of ammo for both the side arm and long gun is one of many different ways to skin a cat. Light and compact is a logistics argument and you have to argue for it in a survival setting. What I'm going to do or am capable of is nothing at all like you. There is no one size fits all rule of thumb on guns and cartridges. Moving one state over can be like entering a different world of issues. I'm not going to grizzly country with a 9mm because some paid writer pasted together some bullshit. I'm carrying a long gun and a 44 magnum.

>>64834657
>Just keeps doubling down
That's literally bench rest accuracy noguns. Post proofs or be a gay noguns somewhere else

>>64834997
100 rounds of ammo for a pistol will last a year or more in a survival situation. Big game provides for weeks and requires one to two shots. Small game is best trapped or snared. Fish and plants require no ammo. If you dump 10 rounds onto an animal and it's still coming for you you are probably going to die.
If you have a long gun and a pistol 100 rounds for the long gun and 50 for the pistol would last you years, not year.
Survival "experts" who hold up the 22lr because you can carry bricks of ammo probably really haven't lived up on the mountain, down in the swamp or out in the desert. You don't have to shoot much to stay alive. You can most of the time if you have the know how wander out with nothing and survive.

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>>64835033
9mm is better than a .44 revolver for self defense against grizzly bears. You have 15-33 shots, a light trigger pull for good rapid fire accuracy, and a fast reload under stress if necessary. Every documented case of people defending themselves from brown bears with 9mm was successful, and in picrel Phil Shoemaker actually killed the bear with his 9mm pistol. 9mm provides excellent penetration and with some loads can actually exceed 50" in ballistic gel. It can penetrate the skull and vertebrae of any animal in the world.

With 44 magnum you get six shots, a long and heavy trigger pull for each one, and you're better off using the empty gun as a club than trying to reload it in a real fight. 44 magnum provides much better terminal performance than 9mm, but this is more relevant in hunting, where you're trying to get a blood trail, and not so much in defense where you're trying to deter an attack through overwhelming pain and/or induce instant incapacitation with a vital shot.

10mm is better than either, but I would take the 9mm over any revolver in a heartbeat as long as I could get good +p cast bullets or flatnosed FMJs.

>>64835034
Bench rest accuracy for a quality revolver is one ragged hole at 25 yards.

>>64835058
Using every single round on a large game animal and never having to defend yourself is a best-case scenario to say the least. And hopefully you'll never have to diagnose any sighting issues.

>>64835078
>9mm provides excellent penetration and with some loads can actually exceed 50" in ballistic gel
Just to add to this, I've seen tests showing 64" of penetration with 147gr hardcast, that's effectively identical to 10mm hardcast performance.
>How 10mm has more energy
Meplat diameter is much smaller on the 9mm, this is also part of the reason why 10mm is so prone to feeding issues with heavy and hot hardcasts.

Bear defense power ranking(pen/recoil/reliability)
>9mm
>10mm(if properly vetted, 500rnds of carry load)
>.45 acp +p
>Power gap
>Everything else

>>64835100
10mm is also a rather long case and is doesn't have the slight taper of 9mm, leading to feeding issues.

>>64833952
>What is the most mechanically accurate 9mm pistol?
Either a T/C Encore or a Freedom Arms model 2008.

>>64834714
The level of accuracy you are striving for might be good with a bow, but it's terrible for firearms. The fact that you're asking about peak mechanical accuracy yet your standards are so low makes no sense. OFC you were able to develop that accuracy in a short time frame, because that's easy. Come back when you're shooting 1/2 inch groups at 25 yards, then you can ask for the most mechanically accurate pistol.

>>64834977
>That's actually been my dominant mental exercise for almost twenty years.
Really? You've done all this thinking and typing, yet you haven't bothered to specify where this survival fantasy will be taking place?

Get something with a fixed barrel. I recommend a hi-point.

>>64835200
That's the point. In survival you don't get to choose what happens to you or where you might have to go or how you get there or how long it will take. Your survival weapon therefore has to be something that can pass through any possible filter with you.

>>64835231
>In survival you don't get to choose
I'd take very different gear with with me if I were flying out on a remote Alaskan fishing trip than I would if a buddy invited me out to shoot deer in west Texas.

>>64835194
>because that's easy. Come back when you're shooting 1/2 inch groups at 25 yards, then you can ask for the most mechanically accurate pistol.
>Offhand 25yd .5" groups with a handgun
Oh look, it's another noguns!

>>64834307
>$8k
FO. Not even poor fag.

>>64835235
And you don't get to choose what happens to you in Alaska or Texas.

>>64834977
>maybe I'm just more talented than professional shooters after only a year or shooting
Or maybe you're lying on the internet. Statistically, that is much more likely.

>>64834997
>that level of power is a luxury for sport hunting
t. king of unethical hunting lol.
im in the business of harvesting animals, not torturing the great wapiti in my home state by lodging a .357 in its shoulder because it moved a fucking pubehair distance during bullet flight time, then having to track in 700 yards off a cliff.
>start EDCing enough ammo for your weapon to shoot something every day for a year
straight up difference in doctrine. when would i EVER, feasibly in ANY wilderness survival situation want to shoot a gun every day for a year. i am also an archer, like op. for anything under the size of mule deer, i (personally) would not use a gun for it. to couple that, I live very close to riparian ecosystem with a pretty reasonable food forest. most of my calories would come from foraging anyways
>>64834977
>a survival gun has to allow you to carry a large quantity of ammo and continue to procure ammunition during ammo shortages
i reload anyways lol. local range to harvest lead in the long term if im feeling REALLY bummy
>That's why I don't lug around 44 magnum ammo that would destroy most game animals in the environment.
>destroy most game animals in the environment.
that is why i take issue with the guides you have set for yourself. WHAT ENVIRONMENT ARE YOU SPEAKING OF? WHAT GAME ARE YOU PLANNING ON TAKING?

>>64835254
OP asked for the most mechanically accurate 9mm, thats it.