>>42549809
If your infatuation is with penis get a stealth tranny wife. If your infatuation is with masculinity get a ftm and be at least one step closer to sexually normal. If it’s both then suck it up and live as a faggot

>>42549828
>If your infatuation is with penis get a stealth tranny wife.
I think this would be ideal but would still bring great shame upon my famiry

I dated a trans woman for about a year but it was too weird for the both of us so we broke it off. We are still really good friends though.

>>42549895
Just don’t tell your family. That’s why I said stealth, she’s an infertile woman and you get to do as much dick stuff as you want in your private time.

>>42549809
Short term kinda I went through it as a kid and it made me essentially a sad substance abuser (alcohol, smoking, drugs etc) and now like 18 years removed from being a kid im now a sober but chronically depressed tranny so take that as you will. It’s not a long term fix sorry anon

>>42549809
Don't Lindsey-Grahampill yourself into hating your life. You are embarrassed because you have internalized homophobia. Just be a gay dude. No one cares — outside of your love life, virtually nothing else will change.

yeah, transgenderism preaches that estrogen cures homosexuality and turns you into a straight woman
have at it, future-sis

>>42549937
Lindsey Graham's problem is that he is an asshole. He preaches one thing and does another, and he holds a position where that matters.
I won't be doing that. I have no desire to interfere with the lives of others nor do I have any desire to be in a position of power.
>No one cares
I disagree. I think people do care a whole lot and I think that it does change how people interact with you in a measurable way.
There is also the matter of family. I told my mom (mistake) and when I realize that she knows about it I want to shrivel up and die.

I don't know if its internalized homophobia. I am genuinely not at all homophobic towards others. Maybe I am just a narcissist and I think im better than this. But I don't think thats accurate either. idk.

>>42550075
>Maybe I am just a narcissist and I think im better than this. But I don't think thats accurate either. idk.
there's a ton of gays who resent being negatively stereotyped and wish to set themselves apart from the much-maligned pack

to wit - if 90% of gays are complaining that all the other gays are sluts, and only *they* truly desire monogamy, then someone is lying

You can't change your sexuality, but if you're okay never experiencing the joy of love and companionship you don't have to engage in homosexual acts. Are you religious, anon?

>>42550157
You can have platonic love and companionship, you don’t need penis on your penis.

>>42550157
I think a life without love and companionship would be horrible.
I think a life where even well-meaning people side eye you and you are embarrassed at your own condition would also be horrible.
>Are you religious, anon?
I follow the maxim that if God isn't real then he must be invented.

>>42550168
Of course there are forms of platonic and aromantic love, but that's not what we're talking about here. No one is denying you can live a life without sexuality or romance. There is a wide gamut to the human soul, and it would be a shame to leave this planet without experiencing all that life has to offer.

>>42550221
I ask because I grew up in an evangelical cult-like church. When I was growing up, my only reference point for the outside world was the church. At the time, I saw my sexuality as a deeply shameful. Once I left the church, those feelings never completely left me. I understand you feel embarrassed by the thought of how you may be perceived, but I promise you the alternative is so much worse. Living a lie, and roping a woman into it to help sell that lie, is immoral. You are stealing both of your lives away. If you feel like you cannot be yourself in your community, find a new one. Don't betray yourself.

>>42550295
>Living a lie, and roping a woman into it to help sell that lie, is immoral.
I live in a democratic controlled leftist big city. My sister has a friend who is closeted gay from college, kinda fruity but masculine looking, my parents even mentioned him being closeted (and they do not talk about such things usually unless they are obvious), and he ended up marrying a woman (ive seen him hold hands with another man in our city), his parents are religious and my sister (who barely speaks to me as a gay man), officiated the wedding

homophobia never just magically went away because of democratic politicians, or living in a city, or courts letting gays marry
its there its just a little quieter than before

>>42549809
It is possible. But through an unconventional method. Men who have done it successfully fetishize the gay to straight conversion process. Get off to only being with women. Talk to a guy about your urges to fuck women and share straight porn with guys.

>>42550295
>Living a lie, and roping a woman into it to help sell that lie, is immoral.
Yeah I know it. Thats why I don't want to lie. I want to have some genuine feelings for women. If that isn't at all possible then its gg

>>42550342
I think you know why a lavender marriage is immoral. What other gay men do with themselves is irrelevant, you are you. Homophobia is alive not only in others, but inside of you as well.

>>42550372
This is retarded, and just gay with extra steps

>>42550075
The Lindsey Graham comparison was just to give an example of a miserable married closeted gay man.
It was probably hasty of me to say "no one cares." I don't know your area but I suspect it's less accepting than mine. I just mean to say that you don't owe anyone an explanation; no one is innately entitled to know about your sexuality but you.
I'm sorry to hear that confessing to your mother was difficult, but even if it feels awkward, you will eventually come to see that you are living truthfully; it is entirely her prerogative and fault to react as she did.
I don't think I could or should diagnose you from just reading a few messages, but I suspect you feel uncertain about your identity (in general, not just gender). If I could suggest an activity, try writing a list of the things that make up who you are. If you're ever vacillating, thinking you're one thing one day and another thing the next, you can always consult that list. Of course, your identity grows and changes over time, but I've found that having a baseline is helpful in those existential moments.

>>42550419
>I think you know why a lavender marriage is immoral.
my point is a lot of people who call themselves leftists and pretend superficially to support gays in fact do not and quietly still do the old fashioned shunning of open gays and pressuring gays to be closeted/repress/date the opposite sex

I am 100% for open homosexuality - but many people claim things like that being gay is 100% accepted in big cities and blue states, and that's not true.

I'm not homophobic!
Being a straight trans person is just being gay with extra steps and those people only exist because of how homophobic society is.

>>42550419
Nope. Gay to straight works.

>>42550483
>I'm not homophobic!
>Being a straight trans person is just being gay with extra steps

Do you think being a straight trans woman is easier than being a gay man? You honestly believe trooning out is a valid escape from homosexuality?

>>42550600
yes
yes
people really hate effeminate gay men THAT much that they would rather be able to pretend we are just off-looking women than have to outright acknowledge we even exist
the world is centered around masculine men pairing off with feminine women, feminine men don't fit into that dynamic and cannot be controlled through sex by women as other men can, so we are a threat

>>42549809
Fap to women?

Just like penis enlargement, whoever invents a reliable sexual orientation changing method, will dig themselves into a gold mine.
As of now, none have done it

>>42549809
Sounds pretty based desu. Good luck. What specifically do you want advice on? You can build sexual attraction with the right girl I think.

>>42549809
>baggage just doesn't seem worth it
You think you have a choice? Lmao.
Yeah I have experience to share. I thought like you did and wasted years repressing like you are bound to do, only to regret it later.

>>42549809
Sounds like you need anthro women in your life :3

>>42550861
I'm already regretting though

>>42549809
It's definitely possible, and highly encouraged. Nothing better than a gay man who flips his switch and has a gooey hetero relationship.

>>42552002
>It's definitely possible, and highly encouraged.
but how

>>42552121
Start bating. Envision yourself as the attractive straight man you previously wanted to fuck. Who would HE want to fuck?

>>42552002
better for foids who wish to collect resources from men

>>42552248
>become straight by envisioning an attractive man
nigga I need actual advice here not finalists at the bad idea competition

>>42552269
It actually works. You don't picture the man, you see yourself AS him.

>>42552390
ok but ill still be imagining an attractive man

>>42549809
have you considered changing genders? being a fag is less cringe if youre a weird enby thing

>>42549809
Are you American? Or from some other country? Because I'm not sure what social baggage you mean.
I'm Swedish and I don't find being gay to carry that much social baggage

>>42553504
Yeah im yankee

>>42553531
Maybe move to a state that is more accepting?

>>42553562
there are no states that accept you being gay, at best you get performative tolerance that vanishes once people need something to use against you

>>42553587
Shame. Moving to a whole other country is pretty difficult/quite the big decision so that might not be the solution either.
Otherwise you could come here and not have to worry

>>42553612
there are no countries that accept being gay, either
homosexuality is universally demonized because we as a society are unable to hold women to fault for emotional abuse, and women stand to benefit from demonizing homosexual men, and no one is willing to stop them or care, and will just blame men, and then start screeching RAPE over and over if you keep pressing at it

>>42553645
I've never been demonized or discriminated against, what are you talking about

>>42553683
the person you are replying to isnt OP idk what they are on about

I am in California which is a pretty progressive state but people still give you a side eye honestly.

>>42553697
Ah okay
If it's just a side eye, what does it matter

>>42553683
you aren't fucking gay, that's why
be gone agp

>>42553732
because they will treat you as inferior if you try to get involved with them more closely
there's no place that isn't like this
only other gay people aren't dicks
this is why gays live in gay ghettos

>>42553764
I'm a literal fag with a bf I publicly kiss and hold hands with, my guy.
Not sure what you're dreaming up about some gay ghetto. I've never been treated as inferior

>>42553789
t. larping tranny

>>42553732
Because it does change the way people look at you in a measurable way.
I'm entering a fairly lucrative career but people will never see me for that first and foremost. It will always carry a "gay" adjective with it. I don't like it.

I also have a lot of familial shame attached.

>>42553803
is that the best bait you have

>>42553810
I mean, people will always see you differently based on non normative life styles. Maybe we just have a different outlook on things, I have a good career but I don't care if random people acknowledge that or not. What matters to me is the people I care about, like my boyfriend and my friends.

But yeah, familial shame seems to really suck.

>>42553966
its not bait you are literally here to psyop people into thinking gays are accepted to justify your own personal homophobia

people think of gays as disgusting predators and will use it against you if you get in their way
gays who try to be assertive or climb the social ladder to the top will find this out quickly

>>42553981
You're the one trying to push some internal idea about society, adapted to your internal homophobia. Either that or the US just sucks for gay people. I've never lived there, so I can't know first hand. Like how you can't know first hand what it's like living in my country.

Dude. STFU, why not just date women and deal with it then? Take viagra or something. Think about men.

>>42553995
i am literally not homophobic at all, I am trying to simply point out that subtle homophobia WILL rear its ugly head if you try to gain power in society or be assertive
maybe you are just a submissive doormat so have never noticed

>>42554093
Dude, I'm publicly dating. How would I not have seen that? I'm not claiming there is zero homophobia, but I've never been discriminated or treated badly for being gay here.

>>42554122
>publicly dating means people are ok with you doing so
sigh
try making friends with other couples who are straight
try being the lead pack of a group of couples, most of whom are straight
whenever there is social competition
gays will be disfavored
you are probably some computer geek loser who barely speaks and that's why you think people are fine with you

>>42549809
just develop aap and get off to yourself retard

>>42554081
> Viagra
It wont work unless you're aroused.

>>42554144
That's literally what I've been telling him. He thinks that's "gay" but its actually what most straight guys do anyway.

>>42554139
I only have one gay friend, all my other friends are straight, several whom have girlfriends. What's this projection lol

>>42554165
I didn't say just HAVE friends, I said be leader of the pack. Homophobia means always being subsidiary and submissive relative to those not perceived as gay.

Genuinely, if all self-hating gays like you died, gays would be fucking free.

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>>42549809
Take ivermectine, it should cure your homosexuality.

>>42554181
'leader of the pack', lmao what kind of shitty friend dynamics do you have?

You seem to be the self hating one, expecting every gay person to be hated among their social group

>>42554280
you are the one trying to downplay and minimize the prevalence of homophobia in so-called leftist communities, and my whole life has been spent being treated like shit by people who claim to support gays and be liberal. It's all fake. Gays are not allowed to lead and have power unless they help the dark side (conservative gays like JD Vance and Peter Thiel).

>>42549955
get better bait

>>42554328
You're in your own mind, wtf are you getting leftist communities from? I never talked about anything like that. American moment

>>42554328 meds

>>42554592
see
>>42553697
the original contention was by an anon claiming to live in California where he claims gays are not oppressed

>>42554593
t. avowed homophobe hoping nobody notices

>>42554608
Well, I'm not him, I'm the Swedish anon. So I was talking from the perspective of my country and living situation. Like how you've never been to Sweden, I've never been to the US.

>>42549809
Don't overthink it. Just start filling those pussies with your cum.

>>42554826
How do straight people even stay hard when seeing a pussy

>>42549809
I love being gay
Maybe you should work on some introspection

>>42554850
Don't look at it.

>>42554872
What if she wants you to eat her out first

>>42554139
Sounds like you need better friends desu

>>42554139
or you're like, kind of a cuck desu

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>>42549809
Conversion therapy doesn't start from a scientific basis, it starts from a theological and mostly Reformed Protestant basis. I will give you the quick rundown
>those who are saved are called elect
>the elect are saved only by the grace of god
>there are visible signs of election, including not living in sin
>the elect cannot fall back away or they never were elect in the first place
The above two is why they're all performative wackos btw.
>traditionally in these circles homosexual inclination DOES count as sin or not being truly saved even if not acted upon, if you go back far enough in the reading
>for a gay man to be elect and saved he must necessarily be rid of these thoughts and made into a new man by the grace of the holy spirit
As you might notice at no point in this thought process did they ask if it was even possible or how it would work or what research they should conduct. They simply drew a conclusion from theology that demanded belief in the fact that the holy spirit could remove sin and reform people, and said that meant that homosexuals must be able to be rid of homosexuality.

Even the Catholic Church has a more moderate policy that conversion therapy has no scientific basis so homosexuals should simply be called to celibacy. "Conversion therapy" as a concept is 19th century magic wacko shit from the same crowd that has seizures on stage and speaks gibberish in tongues and calls it spirituality. It is probably not true and you should not entertain fantasies pushed by loonies.