okay? that doesn't mean there aren't people that MUST be a certain gender to live either. Their people attracted to exclusively men, women and then there are people attracted to either.

I would press the button because I am a transsexual.

>>42549943
The point the author is making is that pressing the button suggests that the presser has an active desire to change genders. If they didn't care, they wouldn't care enough to press the button. It follows that they experience only a very mild dysphoria, not enough to motivate the hassle of transitioning.

You seem to be asserting that no one cares about their gender identity. But like just go out and talk to people. People care. You will find that very few people are completely indifferent to gender.

Personally, I would consider myself very unconcerned with my gender, but even I understand that there are advantages and disadvantages to both, and at some point I decided which fit me better.

The broader consensus of "transgender ideology" you're referring to is that gender identity is motivated both by the gender's relationship to the outside world as well as alignment with one's own feelings. It kind of encompasses the point you're trying to make, but doesn't disregard the alignment aspect.

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>>42549943
Why do you write like Greg Heffley?

>>42550174
people care about their gender in the same way they care about their parents

it's something they had no choice in that they later attributed meaning to because of their lived experiences.

>>42549943
are you doing reddit spacing on purpose as part of the bait

>>42550317
calling something bait = "i am too scared to engage with the argument at hand"

>>42550349
if you're genuine then you're going to suffer

>>42550368
from?

>>42550395
it'll be a surprise

>>42549943
the point of the button question is that most people wouldn't press the button
you talk later about a different scenario: waking up as the opposite sex randomly (you didn't signal you wanted it)

yes our identities are tools, but we all enjoy certain jobs as tools. some people feel better with certain roles compared to others. and if you want a toolset different than what you were given, that's trans.
to want that is to be trans. most cis people in all likelihood wouldn't want it even though they might learn to deal with it if forced to
in all likelihood, a cis person suddenly turned into the opposite sex would feel dysphoria they'd have to learn to manage
I imagine some might transition back
I think "transgender ideology" is a bit of a dog whistle that you've already made of your mind and you're just here to chain yank, but luckily my chain is coated in Vaseline and onions sauce

>>42550711
Fire post anon

>if there was a magically become a girl button a solid 25% of men would press it
reppers say the darndest things

>>42550953
why are you unable to understand the difference between
>magically becoming the opposite biological sex
and
>actually transitioning in the real world and the realistic outcomes

99% of cis people when faced with the first hypothetical (forced or not) would not mind. Does this make them trans? You're seriously going to call them a repper?

This current iteration of transgenderism is going to come to stop once people realize that cis people have all the same feelings / questions / contemplations about their own gender that trans people do, they just don't act on it.

>>42549943
>For 99% of humans gender is a TOOL, a UTILITY to move throughout the world. If this "tool" magically switched they would just learn to use this new tool. Instead of feeling dysphoric.
Because they're hylics, we know.

>>42551068
>99% of cis people when faced with the first hypothetical (forced or not) would not mind
that's just not true. most cis people wouldn't want that, and you might be a trans person if you're walking around with the idea in your head that it's normal for people to be comfortable with the idea of suddenly magically gender transitioning

>>42551346
>most cis people wouldn't want that
and you know this how

>>42551068
listen, retard: normal people don't have any desire to become the opposite sex and wouldn't even if the opportunity was magically provided for them. That you fail to grasp this obvious thing tells us much about you but not about the real world.

>>42551467
>how do you know this obvious and simple fact? you should instead believe in my retarded insane theory instead!

>>42549943
I'm dumb and don't understand the picture
I don't think most men would push the button
I don't think most men want to be women
If there was the option to go back then maybe the percent would increase
I do believe that if a man pressed the button he would probably continue living as a man, but primarily because that is what he has lived and what he knows
If you spent 20+ years doing something why would you immediately change?
After a while they might pick up more womanly tendencies but I think it would take a while and would likely be more due to what society expects of a woman (want to look more feminine rather than butch)
I fully don't understand the last sentence/paragraph

I don't understand your post either
I think if someone woke up as the opposite gender they would experience some form of gender dysphoria or discomfort at minimum
Imagine if you're married or in a relationship?
The whole situation would implode
Even if people accepted that you were still the same person, you'd be treated differently
I think they would try to return to their original gender, but I'm not sure if they would necessarily use surgery or injections to do it

I think if a white man woke up as a black man tomorrow he would panic

>>42551467
I mean, why else are there so many FtMtF detransitioners who talk about how HORRIBLE and AWFUL it is that their beautiful and DIVINE WOMBYNESS was taken from them by testosterone? Or more pressingly, why are cis people so utterly horrified of the idea of a cis person regretting their transition? Also there are some examples of cis people feeling 'cis dysphoria', like Amanda Bynes who said that she "went into a deep depression for four to six months" after seeing what she looked like as a male in the movie She's the Man

>>42549943
t. repper

>>42552085
again, all your anecdotes are about transitioning in the real world and real out omes.

this thread is about a magical hypothetical scenario which exposes that a majority of cis people would not feel dysphoric about a magical transition.

the button question has been discussed all the time and the general cis opinion is
>lol i would have sex and explore the world
not
>I WOULD FUCKING KILL MYSELF IF I WOKE UP A WOMAN HOLY SHITTT GET ME OUT OF THIS BODY

>>42550953
The real answer is probably like 50%.
What makes you think sex is distributed nearly exactly to what peoples wants are?

>>42552492
Obviously cissies wouldn't say that because they've never experienced gender dysphoria and have no frame of reference to understand it

>>42551879
>fact is when (schizofrenic rambling and cope)