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See following post for a pharmacy list.

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▶ Survey data: https://1drv.ms/x/s!AudRJceTA5C9cyIWo6_X14AvHyM
▶ HRTGen Data Analysis: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AudRJceTA5C9gRLLWnbpdzlIxe4r
▶ HRT Info Sheets: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AudRJceTA5C9gQnyM7wxZcBGWRzW
▶ Pill ID: https://www.drugs.com/imprints.php
▶ DrugBank: https://www.drugbank.com/
▶ Basic HRT: https://apps.carleton.edu/campus/gsc/assets/hormones_MTF.pdf
▶ HRT ranges: https://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/hrt_ref.htm
▶ Powers Method: https://powersfamilymedicine.com/s/Healthcare-of-the-Transgender-Patient-V60.pptx
▶ Endocrine Society Guidelines: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/102/11/3869/4157558
▶ Transline Guidelines (with bicalutamide): https://transline.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/360047702053/TransLine_HRT_Guidelines_FINAL.pdf
▶ WPATH SOC: https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc
▶ TransDIY: https://www.reddit.com/r/transDIY
▶ Blood tests (US): https://www.privatemdlabs.com/, https://www.labsmd.com/
▶ Blood tests (UK, Ireland): https://www.medichecks.com/
▶ Blood tests (Canada Only): https://bloodtestscanada.com/
▶ Blood tests (Sweden): https://werlabs.se/
▶ Blood tests by mail: https://www.letsgetchecked.com/ DIY capillary blood samples. Expensive.
▶ Lab test guide: https://www.healthcare.uiowa.edu/
Does anybody know if enanthate has anabolic properties? The trannies near me are telling me it's a steroid and I don't think it's true. A pubmed link would be appreciated..
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Lists of pharmacies:
https://hrt.coffee
https://hrtcafe.net/
https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/t-shipping.aspx- Has been popular in the US. Ships from Vanuatu to some countries.
▶ euaibolitatgmaildotcom - Ships from EU to Worldwide.
https://unitedpharmacies-uk.md/(UK only) - Ships from HK.
https://unitedpharmacies.md/(US only) - Ships from HK.
https://alldaychemist.com/- Ships from India to some countries.
https://shape-shifter.webnode.page/- Ships from Turkey to Worldwide.
https://stayhealthynow.co/- Ships from Turkey to Worldwide
https://amazing4health.com/- Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
https://favskinhouse.com/- Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
https://goodstuffstore.net/- Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
https://otc-online-store.com/- Ships from Russia to Worldwide.
https://www.weborderpharmacy.md/(US only) - Ships from India.
https://www.weborderpharmacy-uk.md/(UK only) - Ships from India.
https://www.inhousepharmacy.vu/t-shipping.aspx- Has been popular in the US. Ships from Vanuatu to some countries.
▶ euaibolitatgmaildotcom - Ships from EU to Worldwide.
https://unitedpharmacies-uk.md/(UK only) - Ships from HK.
https://unitedpharmacies.md/(US only) - Ships from HK.
https://alldaychemist.com/- Ships from India to some countries.
https://shape-shifter.webnode.page/- Ships from Turkey to Worldwide.
https://stayhealthynow.co/- Ships from Turkey to Worldwide
https://amazing4health.com/- Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
https://favskinhouse.com/- Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
https://goodstuffstore.net/- Ships from Thailand to Worldwide.
https://otc-online-store.com/- Ships from Russia to Worldwide.
https://www.weborderpharmacy.md/(US only) - Ships from India.
https://www.weborderpharmacy-uk.md/(UK only) - Ships from India.
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>>42553552
your honscience reddit friends are telling you it's an anabolic steroid because they are retarded. "Steroid" just refers to a type of carbon-based, or organic, molecule, specifically with four rings of atoms that are arranged in pic related fashion. It's possible they also misread something as enanthate is used for other hormones such as testosterone enanthate as well. If they aren't simply wrong then idk, I haven't seen any evidence that enanthate ester has masculinizing or anabolic properties.
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I just started HRT and I can hear shill autotuned female vocals in my head fuck yeah FUCK I'M BECOMING FUCK MEAT FOR SEXY OLD MEN FFFFFFFUCCCK
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how are you even precise with your E dose in injections? the difference between say 0.11 and 0.13ml is so small...
also how do you make sure there is no air?
and if you bleed after an injection does that mean you did something wrong?
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>>42554991
>how are you even precise
you don't have to be that precise, who cares
>make sure there is no air
visual inspection
>if you bleed
you're fine, that's normal
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>>42555049
and if the visual inspection tells me there's air what do i do? i point the needle towards the ground and push until only liquid is left?
also on the vial's rubber i kinda can still see the little hole i poked through, is that normal? i thought it was supposed to reseal itself?
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>>42555085
well you should make sure there's no air while the needle is still in the vial, keep pushing back into the vial until there's no air.
as for the vials rubber, I'm not entirely sure. maybe if you could get a photo of it, that would be helpful.
also what gauge are you using to draw?
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>>42554991
>how do you precise e dose, the difference between 0.11 and 0.13 ml is so small
BD U-100 0.5 ml insulin syringes with zero dead space. https://www.vitalitymedical.com/bd-lo-dose-insulin-syringe-sterile.html
the numbers are very large, the plunger is very flat and, scientifically speaking, they have a precision of 0.005 ml. kind of a bitch to draw valerate with though.
>how do you make sure there is no air?
zero dead space needles are designed to not let any air in.
>if you bleed after an injection does that mean you did something wrong?
technically yes, but its nbd. you'll get the hang of it eventually.
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>>42555111
>well you should make sure there's no air while the needle is still in the vial, keep pushing back into the vial until there's no air.
yeah i mean while its still in the vial. i just look at the syringe with the needle pointing to the ground and push until there's no air left?
is it even possible for air to not be at the "top"?
im drawing with 25G
see pic related though im not sure you can see much of anything
>>42555127
i am using an insulin syringe, does that mean there cant be any air? doesnt sound right
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>>42555177
>insulin syringe
oh... you should really invest in some actual needles, might help with your bleeding problem because a new needle won't be blunted when injecting
and you should be holding the vial upside down while drawing I'm pretty sure

>picrel
yeahhh.. I can definitely see it, I'm not personally sure if that's bad or not, it's very visible with the stopper being white. hopefully some other anon can let you know
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im snapping. i cant rep anymore. i literally just broke after repping for 13 years. I need to troon out. where is a safe reliable place to get E? Im gonna DIY I remmeber reading its best to do E1 and E2 and to start small dose and ramp up i start with like e2 pills and go to injectable e1?
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>>42555237
/hrtgen/ has a fuckon of links >>42553552
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>>42555237
i think thats just outdated advice
most people these days would tell you to just buy injectable estradiol enanthate or cypionate and use the same dose since the beginning (5-7mg)
if you're in europe astrovials should be the way to go

im basically under your same circumstances and i thought this website was really useful, someone else posted it here all the time https://pghrt.diy/
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holy shit how is allie not known by yall

https://allies-site.org

anyway im hopping on estrogen in 4 days yall think i can boymode for 16-17ish months

need to for safety reasons
my moms flat af (30c) so im more worried about face especially considering I cant grow a beard at all
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>>42555292
>considering I cant grow a beard at all
Luckshit. Ygmi.
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>>42555212
>yeahhh.. I can definitely see it, I'm not personally sure if that's bad or not, it's very visible with the stopper being white. hopefully some other anon can let you know
but from your experience it should not be like that?
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>>42555237
the staging stuff is outdated.
just buy a vial from astrovials/ogl/whatever and start injecting asap
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>>42555314
yep idk why people keep spreading e1/e2 balancing bullshit

ive looked and couldnt find a single study to support that helping transition, and the “priming the breasts for growth” shit is just pseudoscience

its probably just pseudoscience to keep people hondosing
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>>42555309
I'm not sure, my vials have a dark grey stopper which makes it much harder to see the punctures.
if I were to guess, I think your vial is fine, the rubber would've sealed, just left a visible mark.
just make sure not to puncture the same place multiple times and you should be fine :)
sorry I can't be more certain than that
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How do I reduce my facial hair? I don't want it fully lasered off yet, that'll out me. I do want to reduce the density or whatever so that I don't get stuck with an immediate 5'o clock shadow after I've raped my face in every direction thrice with a wet shave. Seriously
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>>42555637
> that'll out me
how lol? people will just think you shave everyday
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>>42555637
besides cis men get laser too
its not really a troon thing exclusively
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i saw on twitter a while back that there was an updated alternative to hrtcafe but i lost the link, does anyone have it?
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>>42555694
probably this one https://diyhrt.market/
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I just started monotherapy but im very inconsistent with injections (often 3-4 days late). I usually inject a bit over what I need, so around 6mg. Will this eventually be a problem? I started but stopped like 6mo ago. I dont want to have estrogen insenstivity and fuck up my transition like that other nona.. especially since i started so late (24..) :cc
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>>42556426
>Will this eventually be a problem?
Realistically, no. 6mg is in the "high dosage" range but still within reason.
You need to get the consistency though. Four days late constantly will delay results. You'll be fine long term, but progress is/will be slower.
>i started so late (24..)
Chill tf out. Be a good girl and take your shots. Meanwhile voicetrain, learn to mannerisms, do laser, learn to make-up, etc.

t. started at 29
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just ordered my first e from astrovials
now i only need to source some prog in europe
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>>42556523
i think you're not supposed to take prog for several years at least
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>>42556426
I started with 10mg per week and had no problems lol
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>>42556779
isnt it too much
like do you have a reason for taking 10mg or its off vibes? how do you feel?
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>>42557303
I simply had an infinite amount of estradiol powder, there wasn't any particular reason. I haven't noticed any difference between 10mg and 5mg (my current dosage). My life is as shitty as always.
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>>42557479
you started with powder and made your own stuff?
damn why
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>>42555650
It's a very characteristic shadow. If it just disappears then I'll immediately look a lot girlier
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>>42557507
I was filled with desperation and found Lena's guide
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>>42555716
yeah that might have been it, i was mainly just looking for somewhere to buy progesterone from who ships to sweden since im paranoid about the customs confiscating it if it ships from outside the EU
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>>42557690
impressive desu
>>42557613
you're overthinking it
even if they realize you got it it's not a troon thing
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is it normal that your balls kinda hurt at times
like is it an effect of hrt
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>>42558803
>at times
Be more specific. At random times or after/during doing something? How intense is the pain? How long does the episode last?
Also, age and dosage.
The only time this could be due to hrt is if you have on fucked up nerve and it gets tripped while/when your balls are shrinking (known side effect of hrt). I know of exactly one person who had this happening. She went straight for orchi lul (not that I'm recommending such a solution).
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>>42559192
its genuinely like a fraction of a second, im only calling it pain for lack of a better word
i just feel something down there once in a while at random times
might be just in my head tho
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>>42555127
>zero dead space needles are designed to not let any air in.
mine kinda like bubbles from the bottom from the pressure? at least i think its like sucking air in through the stopper lots of little bubbles like foam or boiling and then it goes to the top. i always have air and have to inject it back. someone said to preload with air to neutralize the pressure in the vial and someone else said to overdraw by a bunch on purpose then push it back and those seem to help

>>42555177
>with the needle pointing to the ground
no the other way? and you gotta tap it and roll around to get the bubble to go up

>see pic related though
i think its fine. mine is gray and you can sorta see a prick in a couple spots but its rubber so i think it seals anyway from elasticity its just like a scar sorta. i heard it helps prevent tears if you orient the bevel and go in at 45 then straiten out but who knows. i think you would be able to tell if you turned it upside down and it actually leaked

>>42556426
if you remember you schedule you could stuff it in a simulator and check if the levels are stable-ish. depends which ester some people do 10 days on purpose

https://estrannai.se/


>>42556547
>several years
real?
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>>42553552
what options are there for higher progesterone levels? are there downsides to consistently higher prog?
>>42554245
can you explain more?
>>42554991
measurement isn't a problem, just be consistent. to remove air, I draw up some liquid, then press back into the vial. then I draw my dose. after I remove the bigger needle, I push the liquid to the tip, then attach the smaller needle, and push to the top before injecting.
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New to this shit
Is SymphonyLabs ok to order from
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>>42560169
seems legit, they even have lab tests
https://diyhrt.market/meds/products/symphony-labs-estradiol-enanthate
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>>42553552
hello rockers and rockettes. a friend is helping me with estradiol valerate injections soon. What type of needles and stuff do I need to buy? 18y/o mtf
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>>42560740
also is it safe to dose a lower than average amount for now then check levels via blood test after a week or two
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>>42560740
you just need alcohol pads, bandaids, needles and syringes.
you want small syringes, say 1ml or even 0.5ml.
when it comes to the needles, usually it's recommended to get both thick needles to draw (say, 22G) and thin needles to inject (say, 26G). length should be 1 inch/25mm for intramuscular.
you dont need these exact gauges, some variation is fine, its just to give you an idea.

otherwise you can get insulin syringes and use the same needle for both drawing and injecting. drawing can be a bit tedious this way if your vial has a thick oil though.
>>42560759
no harm in doing that but usually pointless
you do you though
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>>42556426
what ester and intended injection schedule? if youre 3-4 days late on a 7 day ev schedule youre significantly hampering your regimen. if youre 3-4 days late on a 5 day een schedule youre fine. i mean either way stop being late we have schedules for a reason
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>>42560759
safe but pointless
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why are they different colors
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>>42563195
are they the same age and batch?
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>>42563370
no ive been using one since may and i got the other one last month
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>>42555637
Just start getting electro, it won't all get removed at once and you can have them not focus on any area to thin it in general (or gradually reduce the hairline as well)
>>42559562
>Mine kinda like bubbles from the bottom
You should release the air / draw by pre filling with air and then pushing into the vial, and point the needle upwards when you do so correct. Zero dead space needles are designed so that all of the solution within the needle gets injected. If they're also short (subcutaneous) needles then a negligible amount of ester will be lost.
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>>42564665
>pre filling with air and then pushing into the vial
yeah i didnt do that the first time but have been since and it still seems like it does what i said. i even did like extra air to make up for the one i missed idk if its still under negative pressure or im dumb. maybe ill try to equalize it on purpose next time
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>>42563394
is the older one the yellower one? normal if so, just natural aging
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>>42564757
yeah
so like its not bad that its yellow?
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>>42564778
a little yellowing is natural. obviously better to use newer when possible but it looks fine in the image you sent, you should be fine. if it yellows a lot more you might have some contamination: make sure youre not contaminating your draw needles and that youre sanitizing the stopper before use, also make sure your supplier is adding preservatives to your vials (i dont recognize your vials, but most suppliers should)
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>>42564915
the advice in the second half if it keeps yellowing btw, i wouldnt be worried based off of just that image, its extremely normal
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>>42564915
>sanitizing the stopper before use
i do this
>recognize your vials
astrovials
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>>42553552
Is 17 ng/dL too high? That’s what I went up to after 6 months no spiro but then I got scared and started taking it again
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>>42564924
yea ok av adds benzyl alcohol iirc, youre fine

>>42565297
for t levels? this is fine. are you on monotherapy?
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>>42565422
Yeah T sorry. I was on spiro for a long time but then went off so mono therapy for half a year. I’m just really scared by the idea of masculinizing
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>>42565444
i mean if taking spiro makes you feel better...
17 is low enough (almost too low actually, cis women ranges are ~15-50) so if those are your levels off spiro then you dont need it
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>>42565472
It’s probably completely unscientific but I worry being amab means we respond more to T and would want to be low compared to cis women. But ok thank you. I just hear spiro makes your gut fat and ruins your brain so I wanted to stop
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>>42565481
yea youre fine. its possible that a particular individual is more sensitive to t but in general there is no significant amab/afab difference. i wouldnt worry about it
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>>42564704
Not sure but I think the bubbles form due to turbulence and surface tension during the draw. Pockets form if the fluid is moving quickly enough, which is why you should draw slowly. You don't need to put that air back in the tube, you can just tap it out after you've filled the needle with solution.
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>>42553552

>be me
>starting EEn monotherapy, 40mg/mL vial with 29g syringes
>thinking about 8mg/week, seems high for a start, is this enough to nuking T without an AA or am I gonna get poor levels?

any of you anons running 8mg EEn monotherapy or should I scale back to 5-6mg?
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>>42565576
>The tube
I mean, the vial
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>>42565576
>why you should draw slowly
i think this was the problem
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>>42565603
sounds like a lot
what are the consequences?
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bump
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Due to a set of retarded circumstances I'm losing insurance the end of this month.
I'm digging through them currently but does anyone have a recommended online pharmacy for ordering bicalutamide and sublingual E? I see lots of options for tablets and vials but I just want bioidentical sublinguals. I'm in the US.
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>>42567062
Every site has artificial hormones meant to be swallowed not sublingual fuck fuck fuck i just want to keep taking the same thing I've taken for years fuck
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What does the package from astrovials look like? I live with my parents and they will see the package if I order it to the house, what do I tell them?
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>>42567084
If the EV tablets are micronized you can take them sublingually.
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Also, is there some magic trick to shaving to get smoother skin? Like replacing your Mach 3 blades every two weeks or some shit? I hate shaving and I do it religiously and really make sure I cover all my body so I hate seeing the hair grow back I hate it all
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>>42567327
the package is just a plain package, nothing sus about it.
inside you'll find this. its disguised as some sort of perfume.
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>>42567457
They can't even design it as Diesel EDT or some shit? Straight up trans pride colors and rose elixir? Fucking LMAOOOOO
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>>42567462
lmao what do you want me to say
its not like normal people know what the fuck troon colors are anyway
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>>42567475
The last six years of DEI troon spam made sure to imprint it on everyone's consciousness
believe me, they know.
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>>42567457
Whats the size of the package? Is it roughly the size of this box in pic? Slightly bigger?

I think i'll tell them its a warhammer model lol
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>>42567638
a bit bigger
think of a small notebook, that kind of size
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>>42567427
Noted, thank you so much
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Hey, I posted a thread about this a while ago, but it got taken down, but, I'd really appreciate if you were able to help me afford a vial. I just need 53$ more.
Thanks!!

btc adress: bc1q7z0235c2nuwczsgz2qyll0mu394kr6wnnmn0v9
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>>42568178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0bUieR9xRs
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>>42568178
You should really take your ebegging to a livestream. You might make money.
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>>42568178
Suck dicks and fund it the old fashioned way, faggot.
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Hey y'all been doing the grug method for like a year now (no blood tests before or since) and finally did one 24 hours ago and it came back at 2130pmol/L (they said it'd be higher since I usually do my shots once a week on a Friday, so 2 days before I did the blood test)
For the past 2-3 months have been doing 0.2ml of a 50mg/ml vial
How much should I adjust? 0.15ml? Less?

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