>Lermontov
here's what Lermontov had to say of Russia at the end
>Goodbye, unwashed Russia,
>Land of slaves, land of masters,
>And you, blue uniforms,
>And you, people, devoted to them.

>Perhaps beyond the wall of the Caucasus,
>I will hide from your pashas,
>From their all-seeing eye,
>From their all-hearing ears.
ahh that's more like it. no fairy tales about some mysterious russian soul heh. but then again, this is all known, is there point in reading about what a shithole that place is? everyone knows this
>fun fact: both lermontov and pushkin died the same sketchy death--to duelists rumored to be agent provocateurs of the tsarist regime (in fact suggesting this is what got lermontov exiled and it's in exile he reportedly died in a duel)
to sum up, my theory is, because of the ever-oppressive nature of all the russian regimes, proper art could never coalesce there, because proper thought couldn't coalesce there, it's like their brains aren't fully developed, they could cut their bellybutton-reaching beards and don Western clothing but inside it's the same horde mindset bugman hivemind as the chinks
thus in the end it's all such contrived tripe. i can't take it seriously, never did, all their output being stunted in this way

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Russian literature is excellent and very interesting. This a board of culture, keep your philistinism to yourself. Literature is greater than any chauvinism or petty nationalism.

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>>25053068
It's so hard to take Poles seriously when they write things like this. Get a grip and preferably some perspective.

>>25053083
i'm estonian actually
and you're russian. oof
>>25053077
no argument detected...

Barring Tolstoy, who is a titan, Russian literature is quite shallow and clumsy, and is only celebrated by Western midwits who are so shallow that they're overawed by the depth of a small puddle.

>>25053147
truth be told "Russian literature" = Tolstoevsky (and occasionally Chekhov) in Western eyes and it's held in high regard because Dostoevsky was praised by Freud and Juden Peterstein o algo...

it's really a mystery considering dostoevsky is so crap, he's only deep if you're an angsty teen or a midwit. it's embarrassing that he's JBP's be all and end all of "muh meaning" especially considering JBP's mental and career slide with him calling out bedeviled eggs and evil malignant trolls who dare disrespect such esteemed figures holding great meaning and carrying the Western civilization on their backs as Netanyahu and Trump...

>Chekhov over Mandelstam and Aigui and Khlebnikov
absolute PLEB lol

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>>25053181
literally who?
i may've stumbled upon some mandelstam on Wikipedia or maybe im confusing him with Halberstram from American Psycho lol
but aigui and khlebnikov? literally who? c'mon ivan

>thinly veiled nationalist seethe
Grow a pair

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mysterious russian soul

Butthurt belter thread which can safely be ignored

>>25053185

Where is that from? Google search pulls up nothing.

>>25053138
Of course OP is from the butthurt belt

>>25053067
>>25053068
You sound like a child corpse fucking Estonian, to be extremely honest.
Just as dumb and retarded.
As a reminder, you're language is shit, everything written is shit, the people who speak it are shit and are more cancerous and pestiferous than Jeets. Your whore, Kallas, is about to bring World War III because owning Putin is more important than stability and economic growth. Your country is doing worse than Romania, once the asshole end of the EU. All the people I know consider Estonians as disgusting duplicitous hypocritical low IQ scum. The smarter ones say they have found no fundamental difference between a Russian and an Estonian: same shit, both behaviourally and aesthetically. Your existence is proof that we're in hell.
Your language, angular, clunky, lacking beauty, lacking words, subpar for analytical thinking, will join the graveyard of all dead and retarded languages in about a century or so.
>Tamsaare
Four books about peasant growing potatoes.
>Juhan Liiv
Schizo.
>Oskar Luts
Pedo who wrote about schoolboys.
>Lydia Koidula
BPD trash who broke down on a trip to Findland. There might be a Freudian slip in her, almost erotic, emphasis on Isamaa.
>Kreutzwald
Like a Jewish magician, created a whole mythology out of thin air (because it's unlikely that inbred low IQ Estonians who confused vag for ass kept, for centuries, a whole Odyssey tier epic within their clans).
People would rather learn Swahili, Hindi, Sanskrit, than touch your ugly pedophile tongue.
And I don't like Russians that much.
Ilusat Eesti kirjanduse paeva, Andri-Peedo Analsaar.

>>25053067
Here's my quite naive 2 cents: incels love movies inspired by Taxi Driver which itself started as an adaptation of Notes From The Underground. The more pseud incels when learning this (or by happenstance) will then latch onto Dosto.

>>25053068
Utterly insane. You're saying that because they accepted duels and got btfo that the Russian government staged marches and psychically compelled these paranoid weaklings to agree. This is at the same time that the government is being criticized for being too soft on assassins and political murderers.

This is the kind of tall tale I would expect a rabbinicalist to concoct.

>>25053138
>i'm estonian
Oh, that explains it. That must suck.

>>25053588
>staged marches
Matches

>>25053067
Reminder that /lit/ is a Russian board
We will always support our Russian bros in their fight against globohomo and will always enjoy Russian culture and art, no matter how much the lugenpresse wants us to be Russophobic

>>25053593
How many villages did russia capture this month? Two? Three?

>>25053593
Nah they're both trash. Grow up.

>>25053593
>lugenpresse wants us to be Russophobic
>>25053317
>mysterious russian soul

The western man's obsession with Russian lit/history is how can they keep devouring their own nation and people, utterly destroying themselves through endless self imprisonment, torture, slaughter, corruption, gulags. 100K dead Russian soldiers and what to show for it? Why does the 'Russian soul' force the Russian hand to keep stabbing itself in the heart?

>>25053634
Russian society and culture is just incompreensible to the average westerner

>>25053638
Has there ever been a more suicidal nation than Russia? At least the Gazans are religious fanatics that thought Allah and the Ummah would rescue them from their self wrought destruction.

It's so fucking hilarious to watch a guy who doesn't speak Russian shitting on Pushkin. He was a genius, you can't even begin to comprehend all the fantastic stuff he'd done with the language and to the language. He basically singlehandedly reinvented the way people speak Russian, and two hundred years later we're still speaking the way he manifested.

Was a shit prose writer though. So when you see someone saying Pushkin's poems were bad he's talking out of his ass, period.

>>25053648
>Has there ever been a more suicidal nation than Russia
Germany after the war

>>25053570
>child corpse fucking Estonian
is there any other kind?

>>25053593
>our Russian bros in their fight against globohomo
it's never going to not be comedic that the american right got psyopped into this narrative even as actual russian rightwingers and white nationalists are extremely anti-putin to the point of volunteering to fight on the ukrainian side
>the lugenpresse wants us to be Russophobic
having heard how russians with a brain talk about their own country i can assure you no mainstream western media have ever been even 10% as russophobic as russians who actually know what russia's like. it's the liberal west that always invents excuses of the "they're victims of propaganda" type, in order to maintain their pleasant blankslatist worldview, whereas you talk to an actual russian expat and he'll be like "no, we are in fact cattle. the bolshevik program of dysgenics succeeded in creating homo sovieticus and the change is irreversible. if you want to turn russia into a normal country you need to genocide the entire population and resettle it with somebody else. every day i pray for trump to nuke moscow."

>>25053672
>He was a genius, you can't even begin to comprehend all the fantastic stuff he'd done with the language and to the language.
>Was a shit prose writer though.
Something here doesn't add up...

>>25053699
>even as actual russian rightwingers and white nationalists are extremely anti-putin to the point of volunteering to fight on the ukrainian side
Yes dying for a Jewish globalist puppet president who will flee as soon as the war is over is so much better

>>25053617
>>25053633
t. seeting hohols

>>25053699
Which other country besides Russia and China presents a threat to the current system?

>>25053706
they're not dying for any president, they're dying to protect white people from the invasion of a genocidal multicultural mutt empire that is russia. this is correct, good and worthy of admiration. inserting jew this and jew that into your posts isn't going to fool anyone when you support the mass death of whites at the hands of asiatics.

>>25053729
Jewlensky said he wants to fight to the last Ukrainian, this is why he keeps dragging men into the war including those who try to flee the country, yet all the jews left the country just before the war
>they're dying to protect white people from the invasion of a genocidal multicultural mutt empire that is russia
What do you think he and EU will do if Ukraine actually wins? They are gonna fill it with the "new Europeans".

Either way Ukraine is done and has no future.

>>25053722
>Which other country besides Russia and China presents a threat to the current system?
which system, and why would it be desirable to "threaten" it? personally i would like for white civilization to continue and not be replaced with a hive of asiatic communists

>>25053593
Two More WEEKS!

>>25053739
>i would like for white civilization to continue and not be replaced with a hive of asiatic communists
That's already basically happening in europe RIGHT NOW

>ctrl+f bely
pseuds kek

>>25053738
>fight to the last Ukrainian
this is the completely correct position. ukraine is in an existential struggle, they are defending themselves against an empire that already attempted their complete extermination in the past. they absolutely must fight to the last man.

>this is why he keeps dragging men into the war including those who try to flee the country, yet all the jews left the country just before the war
the laws for leaving and entering ukraine are in fact being loosened all the time, and men of military age are travelling between ukraine and poland without issue.

>They are gonna fill it with the "new Europeans".
right, so your actual position is that white people will be exterminated either way and should just give up and let it happen. you are a demoralization-spreading rat. get fucked.

>>25053747
>That's already basically happening in europe RIGHT NOW
and? did i say there is only one fight to be fought in the world? european public opinion is changing rapidly and europeans can still reverse their problems via anti-immigration parties seizing power democratically, which is absolutely not going to happen in russia where any attempt to organize around white nationalism will get you arrested or simply murdered by the state police. a ukraine within the european sphere of influence stands a chance of surviving. ukraine absorbed by russia is simply dead.

>>25053634
>its not me its them!

>>25053776
>europeans can still reverse their problems via anti-immigration parties seizing power democratically
LOL

Every "based" anti-immigration party in Western Europe has turned out to be or will be a huge disappointment that cucks out on everyting.
Only few Eastern European countries are holding strong.

>>25053067
I like Gogol’s short stories. :)

>>25053781
>>its not me its them!
Russians are lemmings, the capable immigrate and dissolve themselves into the wider world in order to survive.

>>25053678
>Germany after the war
Whatever Russian babies that were mass raped into the German Women are guaranteed to be doing better than their half siblings back in the motherland.

Germany is the crown Jewel of Europe, billions would move to Germany if given citizenship.

Russian is a low trust society with African tier HIV rates, drug addiction, alcoholism, domestic abuse, but they hate fags so they’re based and trad! Even though half of the Russian artists worth knowing were faggots

>>25053785
and again with the demoralization. if eastern eu states can hold their ground against the tide then so could a hypothetical eu-ukraine. if eastern eu states can hold their ground they can serve as an example to others. every day that poland remains a safe place to live while french and german children get raped in the street another hundred frenchmen and germans realize their mistake. white europe is in trouble, but white europe is not doomed.

>>25053829
Don’t forget divorce and multiculturalism

>>25053822
>Germany is the crown Jewel of Europe
Is that why lots of Polish people are moving out of there?

>>25053843
>divorce and multiculturalism
So just like America

>>25053867
no, not like america at all. america is a first-world country with issues, russia outside of a couple of cities is legitmately a third-world shithole, borderline india-tier. americans have trouble understanding this because so much of the subhuman russian biomass is "white-passing" by american standards, so they assume it's only a problem with the economy, the culture etc. in actuality the issues emerge from the people and their genetics, just like in india, just like in africa. you need to broaden the horizons of your racism.

ok post more monstrous russian social media pics

>>25053588
>Utterly insane. You're saying that because they accepted duels
no, Lermontov completely refused to fire at Martynov, while Martynov aimed directly at his heart. hard to call it a "duel"
even the russians themselves acknowledge the sketchiness--hell, Lermontov was exiled the first time in 1837 precisely for suggesting Pushkin's duel death was sketchy
https://www.prlib.ru/en/news/1319185

>>25053542
the letters of kingsley amis.

>>25053570
Estonia has only 1 million people, it's like Nizhny Novgorod, you're pathetic staging a dickmeasuring contest against that lmao
We've still got the Kalevipoeg and you've got nothing LMFAO ivan

Why did writers come from Russia if it looks like cold India?

>>25054041
those famous 19th century writers came from aristocratic bloodlines which have since been exterminated by the bolsheviks.

>>25053845
>Is that why lots of Polish people are moving out of there?
Polish People are not the Keystone species heralding worth or doom, but likely because they feel humiliated they must be plumbers for the people that murdered their ancestors and Poland's economy is now BOOMING.

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>>25053832
Hmm today I will remind the politically illiterate once again that relatively minor immigration to eastern Europe has absolutely nothing to do with them being based hardliners or whatever but that they have historically served a purpose as the edge of the Atlanticist empire which is outliving its usefulness by the year.

>>25053067
I'm a Ukrainian and I was never interested in classical Russian literature even before the war, in my schooldays at the beginning of the 2000s I thought it was some bloated shit which kiiled all my interest in it (at least Ukrainian literature had some countryside sovl), but I read many contemporary Russian books, really really liked "Cкaзки тeмнoгo лeca" (read it twice), and as someone who is currently reading The Norton anthology of English literature and Die Deutsche Literatur: Texte und Zeugnisse, I can understand the appeal of understanding foreign mentality. Russian mentality is shit, but sometimes we want to go to the zoo and watch apes, you know.

>>25054251
>unwarranted smugness + vague handwaving + a graph of unspecified significance
thank you, now i finally understand that white people should surrender to invading asiatics without a fight

>>25054251
What is this graph supposed to prove?

>>25054286
Buddy I am literally on Ukraine‘s side because I hope that a remilitarized Central Euro bloc comes out of this but you need to be less of a naive retard in thinking that the choice of whether or not to have immigration is about a voter dichotomy which determines the decisions of EE countries as sovereign entities.

>>25054303
the present ruling party of poland has literally campaigned on the premise of being able to negotiate away the brownoid immigration quotas that were about to be imposed on them by the eu and has recently done a victory lap over having successfully negotiated the waiving of said quotas. yes the elected leaders of member states have an impact on eu immigration policy

>>25053776
It's already happening lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORf_adFzp2s

>>25054379
see
>>25053776
>you are a demoralization-spreading rat. get fucked.

>>25054199
>because they feel humiliated they must be plumbers for the people that murdered their ancestors
the people leaving germany are predominantly university-educated and they're not just polish, everyone's leaving including the germans themselves. germany is in the process of exchanging young educated professionals for useless brown biomass.

>>25054330
So now the tenfold increase in yearly-growing nonwhite immigration can continue on a localized basis. Excellent work.

>>25054020
Duels are formal events. You can't just walk up on people and shoot them,that's just murder. He would have had to accept the duel then lose his nerve in the middle of it.

>>25054743
i'm not even sure what point you're trying to make but you're really twisting facts to get there. immigrants in poland are overwhelmingly white and the non-whites are predominantly asian, which is obviously not ideal but far less problematic than the niggers and arabs flooding western europe. simply walking through the most "multicultural" polish cities will show you that they remain almost totally white. i don't really know how you expect to scare ukrainians into submission to russia with "the eu will flood you with brownoids!" when every ukrainian has either been to poland or knows somebody who has and they know for a fact you can be in the eu and gobble up a fortune in eu handouts without accepting any notable brownoid migration.

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>every ukrainian has either been to poland or knows somebody who has and they know for a fact you can be in the eu and gobble up a fortune in eu handouts without accepting any notable brownoid migration.
It's not the eu but their own government reports
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-looking-4-5-million-100541722.html

>>25053700
He was a poet, you dumbfuck

>>25053067
>merely a cautionary tale from real history that he didn't come up with himself
counts for nothing

>>25053067
that's cool but I just really like Pelevin

Sorokin and Prilepin are nice too

that being said Tolstoy and Cehov are nice, dostoevski is a moralfagging overly verbose queer and I hate everythign he ever wrote except Demons, that one was ok

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>>25053138
>i'm estonian
Man, one chance in life.

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>>25053593
hello lahtoid! Bad job, your pay will be deducted.

>Russians are le subhuman!
So far we have at least 2 confirmed butthurt belters posting here, why should I take anything said in this thread seriously?
You niggers need to take a more global perspective.
What happens if Russia loses the war?
The results would be catastrophic, it would mean a victory for globohomo and Ukraine getting fag parades and multiculturalism shoved down its throat.
So that's why I support Russia as a Western revolutionary defeatist I know I stand to gain more from my "side" losing than winning,

>>25055760
some fags walking around on the street is infinitely preferable to a bunch of closeted fags (dedovschina victims) turning new places into a disgusting kleptocratic shithole like russia

>>25055082
Clearly not a genius then RETARD

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>>25055760
What's worse, 1% of the male population marrying each other, or every military-aged male getting dedovshchina raped

>>25055764
Even hordes of arabs and pajeets?

>>25055764
>>25055770
Dedovshchina produces strong soldiers as evidenced by Russia winning right now.
You may not like it but you can't argue with results

>>25055799
>great b8 m8.
The Russian soul has captured the world's attention as we all ponder how a nation with so much natural wealth and history be constantly suffering at highest levels. Russia's greatest export is a steady stream of blonde women to Dubai and reinventing world war 1 with drones instead of mustard gas. Fallen nation, I pity their rags.

I'm studying Russian for Lermontov and Tolstoy, is it really that bad? I haven't really read much else, I read Heart of a Dog ages ago but didn't care for it

>>25054023

Thanks.

>>25054023
Was he having a stroke?

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>Slavs accusing each other of being inferior

>>25054023
that’s his sense of humour

>>25056613
enjoy

>>25056634
that’s his sense of humour

>>25053067
>no ripping on Gogol
OP is just an ass-mad uke isn't he

>>25055768
What the fuck do you mean you stupid third world kullemaia piece of shit

>>25056643
>1/4th a Rothschild man laff
I snore

>>25055786
You mean like the ones walking around moscow?

>>25056400
All classical literature (especially modern from last centuries) is overhyped for political reasons: national prestige, psychological warfare/recruitment factors (foreigners sympathize more with countries with familiar or admired culture), free money for publishers, etc. And the classical stuff from countries with strong state propaganda and lack of relevant contemporary culture is especially overhyped. It is known that Russia spends tons of money on it in all foreign countries, and that the houses of Russian culture are connected with their spy rings.

For me classical literature is mainly valuable from the perspective of historical/social/language/prose development, so I only read it in those languages which I know.

>>25055760
>Ukraine getting fag parades and multiculturalism shoved down its throat.
Westerners don't understand the political discourse in post-Soviet states. We don't care about these things. It was banned during the Soviet era, when leftists were in power, so what? We care only for corruption and income level, that's the main political discourse in Ukraine, for example, and that's what politicians are talking about in their campaigns. In Russia they are talking about geopolitics and Russia's greatness, because there is no real political contest there. All things connected to LGBT narrative here are just indulgent minimalistic concessions for the West: for chuds in Putin's case and for the EU in Ukraine's. When an average person thinks how to survive on their minimal wage, only city crazie care how other men/women fuck each other.

>>25053672
russian-speaker who learned pushkin in school and read him outside of school

no. he's mid as fuck.

>>25053067
>>25053068
yup sorry but only Gogol is kino

>>25057591
Eastern Europeans don't understand political discourse in the West.
We have the same problems with corruption and income level but it's actively suppressed in favor of fag parades and multiculturalism.
If Ukraine wins little bro you'll remain just as poor (perhaps even poorer) AND you will have to endure fag parades and your country being invaded by foreigners.

>>25057890
Have you ever ACTUALLY seen a fag parade

>>25053570
Let me guess: Narvanigger russhit who got thrown into conscription and is now assmad because everyone was mean to him for not knowing estonian even though he's been living in estonia for his entire life.

>>25057890
Migrants migrate in prosperous countries, bro. All these years Ukraine was open to the world, but nobody came here (except some occasional sex tourists). There should be some gradual state development map, you cannot just jump over few developmental steps and land into gayish multiculturalism from nothing. So we are OK now, we have space where to grow.

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>>25053067
I've just come here to laugh at all you losers, no matter which side you're on if you engaged in this thread with sincerity and not to shitpost that's the only justifiable reaction

>>25057144
>Russian
>Calling others a third worlder
Rofl

Man all the online feuds among the slavoids are so fucking funny every time

>>25059408
I think it's more sad than funny

>>25059408
I think it's more annoying than funny.

>>25058912
Why do you think I live in Russian though

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>>25053067
Get a load of this

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>>25056643
>Slavs accusing each other of being inferior
balts were the true inheritors of aryans. Krauts were actually the missing anglo-(((iisacson))) jew-kike link. Even slavs can do better.

>>25059408
Estonians are cousins of Finns
not Slavs

>>25063590
Estonian language didn't exist before the 16th century, at most, and probably not really until the 19th century.

For that matter,Finn is a neo-construction based on the name of a Norse king. The entire area was Swedish in the medieval period.

>>25053749
>bely
It's Belyi. BELYI.
Why is anglo spelling so retarded? Who decided that Homeros was just Homer?

>>25064201
>Homer
He's called that in Russian and other slav Languages as well

Tolstoy is awesome, Chekov is cozy, rest is eh. Dosto is hit or miss. Russian lit only has the reputation it does coz of Tolstoy who was one of the best writers ever

>>25066202
>Russian lit only has the reputation it does coz of Tolstoy who was one of the best writers ever
Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, aka Tolstoevsky, but mostly Dosto I think
cuz he's muh deep & spiritual (and Freud and JBP praise him!)

>>25053067
correct. Russian (and all slav) language sucks too its basically impossible to talk in it without being misanthropic and self-depreciating
that's just what happens when your language is used exclusively to oppress people for 500+ years

>>25053593
>in their fight against globohomo
Putin is in the epstein files and is a jewish puppet.

>>25066313
>Putin is in the epstein files
Where?

>>25053067
Stay butthurt

>>25066284
Nah it's mostly Tolstoy. Dosto is like rock music compared to Tolstoy's classical

>>25066202
>>25067888
Until the past decade or so, I was always under the impression that Tolstoy was somewhat more popular than Dostoevsky among the general public, especially because of the Gandhi connection, and his whole religion thing which resonated with New Age and Peace Corps types. Though I guess I'm dating myself there.